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Official BaB 2011-12 Eastern Conference standings predictions

This is a yearly tradition, including the part where I don't get them up until a couple games have already passed. And thus they're probably a bit tainted after seeing some inter-conference matchups. But honestly, the best predictions are the ones done after the season's over. You're way more likely to be correct! That's the point of these, right?

As usual, totally informal and lacking much real analysis. My (and later Alex's) predictions after the jump.

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  1. Miami Heat - Just think they're going to be the juggernaut that was predicted last season, and sort of were for spurts of last season. No groundbreaking rationale as to why: they have the best team, with more familiarity with eachother than last season, and some upgrades around the margins that can make a difference considering how many awful players received significant minutes for them last season.
  2. Chicago Bulls - Have a tremendous depth and continuity advantage nearly every night. Not sure it's possible to exhibit the consistently intense effort that was on display all of last season, but their defense+Rose formula beats a lot of teams.
  3. New York Knicks - It's a big dropoff from #2 to here, and I was looking for anyone else to put in this spot as I do worry about injuries with their entire frontcourt. But the recent histories of Melo/Amare/Chandler have actually been alright in that department. Depth isn't that big of an issue with Mike D'Antoni historically not using a bench, though I guess that could change in this type of schedule.
  4. Indiana Pacers - The kind of team that really isn't as good as their record, but sort of like the Skiles-era Bulls, they have a lot of good players and will always play hard. That is enough on a lot of nights, especially against the dreck of the league. They had a great offseason with the caveat that they've still yet to make the most challenging move from being a true contender, which is getting a go-to player better than Danny Granger. But they were a fun, if annoying, out in the playoffs and I don't fault them from building on that instead of worrying too much about the ultimate ceiling they'll encounter.
  5. Boston Celtics - Just so thin combined with their big four being prone to injury/rest this season. They did make a great trade in getting Brandon Bass for Big Baby Davis, and I've always had an irrational like for Keyon Dooling (same with Chris Wilcox, actually). But when Jeff Green, who's not even any good, is a crippling loss for the bench, that's a danger zone. They're playing for one last playoff run and their regular season record will reflect that.
  6. Philadelphia 76ers - Not really on my mind because they didn't do anything all offseason, but this team had an expected 46 wins last season and are pretty loaded. Not with anyone great, mind you, but a pretty solid roster and maybe the patented Doug Collins burnout is averted in a shortened schedule. A significant leap from Evan Turner is so necessary for this team to try and really turn it around, and as a nice side benefit it could grease the wheels of an Iguodala trade to the Bulls.
  7. Orlando Magic - Even if they don't trade Dwight Howard, they needed to do something to keep from further sliding from their finals appearance, and they just didn't do it while simultaneously putting themselves in a worse position in a post-Dwight world. There's a reason he wants to leave and it isn't because of marketing, they've made too many poor moves, happening again in downgrading from Bass to Davis for little reason (though simply playing Ryan Anderson more will help). This team also wins based on their defense and demanding coach, and it's tough to see that working as well when there's that much uncertainty with the franchise.
  8. Atlanta Hawks - They're very thin themselves, but have a very good core group of players who've been together a while and know how to beat up on bad teams. This could be the year that it falls apart for that group, they quit on another coach, and Josh Smith is traded for scraps midseason to help their constant payroll issues. I had them above Philly until I remembered they signed Jannero Pargo.
  9. Milwaukee Bucks - Skiles teams just can't score, to the point where you almost wonder if he just has a fetish for low-scoring offense simply as a way to somehow emphasize defense even more. Which is too bad because I actually like a lot of the roster moves they made, adding Jackson, Dunleavy, and Udrih. But even if you buy into the edge Jackson can bring as a late-game shotmaker, overall he's way too inconsistent, as is Bogut and Jennings.
  10. Detroit Pistons - As much as their long-term plan is completely nonsensical, I think they have talent, and the swing from John Kuester to Lawrence Frank will be significant. If you're one who thinks it's just incredibly unlikely that the same 8 teams make the playoffs as last year, I'd probably say Detroit has the best shot, outside of some Dwight Howard trade.
  11. New Jersey Nets - I just can't fathom how they pull off the mentioned Howard trade with how few assets they have. Maybe they can do something interesting in the offseason when the Magic have officially given up all hope (even LeBron was technically signed/traded, remember), but for now it'll be a lot of uncertainty as they lose a lot during their final season before Brooklyn and hope Deron Williams doesn't leave before they even have a chance at Dwight.
  12. Washington Wizards - I think Flip Saunders is a really good coach, but if anyone is the type to get through to the fabulously talented yet space-headed frontcourt duo of Blatche and McGee, he's probably not it. Nor can he really do much with Nick Young or Jordan Crawford. He has a potentially great young point guard and a history of implementing great offenses, but that's just too many guys who wouldn't recognize a good shot even if you drew one up perfectly.
  13. Toronto Raptors - Really doesn't matter with the bottom-3, I give the Raps a slight edge because of their hiring of Dwane Casey.
  14. Charlotte Bobcats - Still miss you, Tyrus Thomas. This is another team that will just struggle too much to score most nights, and that's before Corey Magette undoubtedly gets hurt.
  15. Cleveland Cavaliers - The Cavs had a bit of a bummer having two high lottery picks in a crappy draft (see Bulls, '00 and '01) but on the bright side they should have another one soon!

  16. [Alex's predictions are below -yfbb]

    So many games crammed into a short time widens the gap between every team's upside and downside. The teams who'll come out on top will be the most healthy, with better managed rotations, and the least questions entering the season.

  1. Miami Heat - They're who they are and though the formula isn't perfect, there are less variables to decide their wins and losses than any other team in the East and the foundation is very, very strong. You can play devil's advocate with their lack of offense down low, but every team in the NBA is flawed to some degree. The aggressiveness and efficiency of LeBron James and Dwyane Wade more than make up for it.
  2. Chicago Bulls - No team in the East can match the Bulls' depth in the frontcourt. Though it's devoid of a superstar and we're still unsure what Carlos Boozer is, the overall production makes every win difficult for opponents without hall of fame levels of isolation play and ridiculous ball movement that somehow doesn't constantly get intercepted by the aggressive wings. The youth adds to the speed, Derrick Rose's skills make people's heads spin; this is a league where size, speed, and stars kill. They're still the only other safe pick to be an East powerhouse.
  3. New York Knicks - This is more a statement to the time it will take for the Celtics to get their defense and rotations in order. That said, Tyson Chandler just flat out makes you better. They lack a point guard, but Carmelo Anthony's evolving into someone with point forward elements and they'll shoot you out of the gym on any given night. Melo running the pick n' roll with two of the best in the biz at the two-man game -- Chandler and Amare Stoudemire -- will make them unguardable. They don't defend well, but Chandler anchoring the paint and Stoudemire's raised aggressiveness in spurts will force a lot of opponents into lazy, brick-tastic jump shooting. The defensive efficiency won't be great, but it'll be enough to land the 42'ish wins it might only take to win the Atlantic.
  4. Boston Celtics - The lack of a powerhouse in the Atlantic doesn't make it devoid of drama. Frankly, there every team in the division has the potential for 30-to-35 wins -- which should be good to get into the playoffs. Their core is getting older, but the skills are still there. Brandon Bass only makes them better. They're smaller than the more dominant Cs squads of the last couple of years, and they're going to swing heavily due to the age of their core players and the way the schedule is formatted. But I'm not counting a team out of the top four with that much talent and I'm not giving up on any defense anchored by Kevin Garnett.
  5. Atlanta Hawks - Yes, they're better than the Magic. I said it. There are a ton of questions surrounding this team from perimeter defense to inconsistent shooting, but those questions aren't in the frontcourt. It keeps them in games and will pull off so many wins against mediocre and bad teams. On paper, other teams look more impressive; but in reality they may have the least scary amount of downside other than the top four.
  6. Orlando Magic - They have to be evaluated under the impression that, at worst, there will be some sort of equitable deal for Dwight Howard that accumulates wins. The fact is that they can be great or awful on any given night. They can win 45 games and grab the four seed just as easily as they can lose 35 and battle for the eight seed this season.
  7. Milwaukee Bucks - Skiles makes mediocre teams look really good, but his well generally managed teams tend to under-perform. Trusting Skiles to put forth a scheme that utilizes some very underrated talent on the roster is difficult; trusting Andrew Bogut to be the focal point he should be is difficult. But the pieces are there and defense like that finishing under .500 like last year is a blip. Though their basement is higher than Orlando's (at probably 33 losses), their ceiling is significantly lower (probably 38 wins).
  8. Indiana Pacers - They play well, but the talent just isn't there. That said, Frank Vogel implements a scheme that maximizes his players' strengths and covers up their weakness so well that I'd be shocked if they finished below .500. But that scheme will rely on perfect health and the better teams in the East also have very good coaches to counter Indy. They're not gonna win three of every five, but they're surely not gonna lose more than they win. They're just less talented than Orlando and Milwaukee, but could very well finish as high as the four seed, because the Cs, Magic, and Bucks are more likely to go on awful stretches. I trust Indy's consistency and coaching; but not the players on the court to rise high. Their upside is fully dependent on others' failures.
  9. New Jersey Nets - Deron Williams is who we think he is and Brook Lopez is only getting better. They're a lot faster and can be very aggressive, but other teams are just deeper and fit within their schemes better. A perfect storm can sneak them into the playoffs, but 35 wins is a realistic ceiling; and that just isn't high enough.
  10. Philadelphia 76ers - They're a lot like the Pacers with some more talent at the top of their depth chart, but it still comes together as very mediocre. You never know what you're going to get out of anyone in their rotation on any given night. The rotation clicked last season, as every night two or three different guys stepped up every night, but that's simply a bunch of things being perfect at the same time. That formula is seldom repeatable.
  11. Washington Wizards - They finally look better than the Bobcats and can out-run most teams in the leagues on any given night when they want to. They just don't have the consistency and teams like this will have consistently embarrassing outings on the tail-ends of the many back-to-backs in this year's NBA schedule.
  12. Toronto Raptors - Fun to watch, but the talent just isn't there. They may pull out crazier wins against strong teams more often than the Wizards, but they're gonna also be sporadic wins for awful teams.
  13. Detroit Pistons - Awful. The coaching change will make them tougher to score against, but they're destined to lose a lot of 90-81 games at their best this season.
  14. Cleveland Cavaliers - This is a year where great teams will look more human and mediocre teams will show more promise, but bad teams are going to look horrendous. They just have more hope than Charlotte.
  15. Charlotte Bobcats - There's just nothing here. I'd be surprised if Detroit, Cleveland, or Charlotte win ten games, so there are a ton of variables that'll decide the bottom of this barrel. Charlotte's whole damn team is a variable though.

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    What happened to the spirit of competition?

    Most athletes could care less about championships. As long as they win more games than they lose in a “Big Market”, and reach their statistical goals.

    by Big Ike on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 AM CST reply actions  

    I'll give it a shot:

    1) Heat – They’re really good

    2) Bulls – Carlos Boozer will single-handedly carry this team to where they wanna go.

    3) Philly – Not sure why people are down on these guys. I feel like they have a lot of talent, and not just talent, but the exact type that seems to be very valuable in today’s NBA: Athletic wings that can score, and bigs that can shoot (also Holiday looks ready to break out this year). Not a lot of depth up front, but I don’t see many teams better prepared for the grind that will be this season.

    4) NY Knicks – A lot of talent, and they’ll simply overwhelm most teams with their scoring ability. I also se them as a team that can make real hay in the postseason, and possibly challenge the Bulls or Heat if everything went right for them (don’t see that happening with most other teams in the conference)

    5) Atlanta -Solid team, and their familiarity should help them. Don’t think they’ll do much in the playoffs though.

    6) Celtics – Fuck Rondo

    7) Magic – I gave some thought to putting them higher, and realistically, I think the last four or five spots will be really jumbled up, but I threw them here simply because of the uncertainty surrounding Dwight (could be a real bad 1st round matchup for the Bulls if it plays out this way)

    8) Pacers – I thought about putting the Bucks here instead, simply because I don’t understand some of the recent hype this team has gotten. I think they’ll be ok, but they just seem way too messy to me, as far as who does what on their team.

    Kinda don’t like picking the same exact teams to make the playoffs again, but other than Milwaukee, or maybe the Nets, I just don’t see many realistic challengers

    Recovering...

    by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 11:25 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

    Philly's very interesting.

    The question is whether the second half of last season was a bunch of mediocre players hitting their peaks at the same time or if those were really good players who’ll only get better. If the latter, they’re a legit contender for homecourt in the first round. But that’s usually not the case.

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    by Alex Sonty on Dec 29, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

    I think they only have a couple "really good" players (Holiday and Iggy)

    but they’re surrounded by a bunch of “good” players (mostly), and more importantly, they seem to fit eachother real well. Plus I really like Collins (at least for this season anyway).

    They definitely have a little of that “Skiles’ Bulls” feel to them, though. Where everything can fall apart quickly. But I have a feeling this will be their peak year (winning % wise), and unless they add more talent to the roster, next year will be the year that things fall apart on em

    Also, it’s not so much that I’m really high on their team, that’s just the way I see them stacking up to the other team’s in the conference, all things considered.

    Recovering...

    by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

    I should also clarify that I think Holiday "will be" really good, not that he's already established that

    Also, I think Iggy’s incredible defense is what puts him in that category. Kinda invaluable in today’s NBA.

    Recovering...

    by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions  

    I would go with

    1) Heat
    2) Bulls
    3) NY
    4) Boston
    5) Orlando
    6) Atlanta
    7) Indiana
    8) Philly

    by JustAnotherFan on Dec 29, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions  

    i'd put orlando over the celts

    the hole at center and their horrible depth hurts them more. Orlando, with hot shooting, can still beat most teams, any given day and I can’t say the Celts have that ability with there methodical offense. That is of course until Howard goes.

    Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

    by hedonism bot on Dec 29, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

    That makes no sense.

    The Bulls sucked against the Warriors, but that’s ok because the Knicks sucked against them too. However, because the Knicks sucked that means they permanently suck whereas the Bulls just had a rough night.

    by Ozzie Montana on Dec 29, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

    Yes it does

    The Bulls tried to beat GSW by playing GSW’s game, which is exactly what the Knicks did. Makes me feel better to know that the Bulls aren’t the only vulnerable team, and the Knicks lost when the Warriors didn’t even have Curry.

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

    it doesn't make me feel better

    when Sam Smith says Jordan played his worst versus Golden State, and disliked playing in Oakland.

    I felt that we should have beat them, even if we sucked against them last year or historically for that matter.

    Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

    by hedonism bot on Dec 29, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

    celtics will not make the playoffs

    Rivers will implode on his team, Ainge will look to move Ray allen

    by Trey23 on Dec 29, 2011 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

    yup

    1) heat
    2) knicks
    3) bulls
    4) indiana
    5) philly
    6) orl
    7) atl
    8) bobcats

    Should've traded for Melo.

    by sin on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM CST reply actions  

    the Bobkittens over Celtics ?

    Dunno about that…

    "The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4

    by RogersPark Kris on Dec 29, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

    Can we stop calling the Knicks good?

    They almost lost to Boston at home WITHOUT Paul Pierce, then lost to GSW WITHOUT Curry…

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

    This isn't football.

    You’re doing it wrong.

    Follow me on Twitter.

    by Alex Sonty on Dec 29, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

    Let me put this in terms you may understand

    if the Cardinals opened the season by getting swept by the Cubs, would you think the Cardinals were destined to suck and the Cubs were going to win the division? Or would you look at the totality of the two organizations and say the Cards have all this talent, they’ll probably bounce back?

    It is a long season. Basing your predicitions completely off what has already happened doesn’t make much sense. Do you think the Mavs are going to miss the playoffs as well?

    by Basketball Smurf on Dec 29, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions  

    It's not as much their early season showing than it is that they just aren't that good...

    They are injury prone, have a chucker as a point guard, nobody good off the bench, and think that adding an overrated center is going to make them suddenly a top 3 team.

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

    What he is getting at is...

    “It’s a process”

    "There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
    - Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.

    by Brigade17 on Dec 29, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

    And what I'm getting at is...

    The process doesn’t make them that good. They’re not really much better than they were last year.

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

    They were pretty good last year and several teams in front of them got worse.

    Your analysis basically boils down to “I hate the Knicks and don’t care what facts tell me.”

    by Ozzie Montana on Dec 29, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

    Do you want to know what facts tell me?

    Major players thethe Knicks lost: Billups, Williams, Turiaf
    Major players they gained: Chandler, Shumpert (injured), and Davis (injured)

    That’s not much of a gain for a team that was sub-500 after the Melo trade.

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

    plus, tyson is overrated

    sure, he was essential part of the mavs winning it all, but lets be honest, tyson is still injury prone and hes OVERPAID! He had a collective of 3 (4 maybe) decent seasons, but besides that he hasnt been really consistent. Datoni is the problem for that team and Tyson cant do much on a team that has no to little defense.

    by Geo4MVP on Dec 29, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

    Thank you...

    As I said above, they lost a pretty essential part, in Billups, and I think Shawne Williams was actually very underrated for them. Adding an overrated center doesn’t make up for that. Tyson Chandler=Trevor Ariza from 3 years ago. Teams and people obsessing over him because of the role he played in a companionship run. Is Tyson good? Yes. But he doesn’t even make up for the loss of Billups IMO.

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions  

    just saying fans thought this was a solid signing, but i disagree

    hes getting paid like a fuckin all star, but really, hes just a role player. He’s good, but not good enough to change the knicks defense. If i were them, i would have signed sam-D and a guard. Sam-D got a better contract and I think he would have been almost as good as tyson.

    by Geo4MVP on Dec 29, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

    Listen, Tyson Chandler is not an eraser on defense.

    There’s only one of those guys in the league, and its Dwight Howard. However, he’s a damn good player in the right situation. Fortunately for us, he’s in New York where he, and (a big) maybe Landry Fields, are the only guys that play defense, so he won’t be of much value to that team. NBA defense needs to be played by entire units, not just one guy, unless that one guy is Dwight. Even then it still won’t be great.

    The Knicks will be OK, but nothing special, in my opinion.

    by dakoose on Dec 29, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

    Ding ding ding.

    They’re nowhere near the top 4 in this conference.

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

    yeah, thats my point

    If there is one guy who can change the dynamics of a teams defense its Dwight. I just think they could have used their money in a better way.

    by Geo4MVP on Dec 29, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

    anything that keeps STAT from playing the 5

    is a boon for the Knicks. Melo has a strengh advantage at the 3, and STAT is an uber athletic 4. With Tyson in the lineup, its almost a mis match everytime at the 3/4 for the Knicks. Now if they played defense, they’d be contenders, but as long as d’antoni is there, they are fatally flawed.

    Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

    by hedonism bot on Dec 29, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions  

    Melo almost singlehandedly won games in the playoffs last year

    Imagine what he does with help

    Should've traded for Melo.

    by sin on Dec 29, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

    Your memory doesn't serve you well.

    Melo almost won them ONE GAME singlehandedly, and that was game 2. And in the other 3 games…
    15 pts 5/18
    15 pts 4/16
    32 pts 10/24 (Celtics win by 12)
    Yeah, you need to get over your Melo obsession.

    THEO!

    by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 29, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

    I love watching Melo,

    but I’m able to compartmentalize my enjoyment watching him score from my realizing that he’s not THAT great of a player. The dedication to the game isn’t there. He’s not a strong defender(regardless of what some will tell you) and he’s never in top conditioning. I like his scoring, but his overall game is overrated.

    by dakoose on Dec 29, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

    his biggests problem is he loafs on defense.

    if he actually tried, he’d easily be one of the top ballers in the league, but right now he is only one of the top scorers.

    Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

    by hedonism bot on Dec 29, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

    well, if thats your argument say that

    i disagree, but say that. The fact that they lost to the Warriors early in the season isn’t strong evidence that they won’t be good this year. Especially when they were pretty good last year.

    by Basketball Smurf on Dec 29, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions  

    For some reason

    I laughed uncontrollably after reading this

    "Violence is not always the answer."
    "Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

    by T.Moore on Dec 29, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

    the bobcats scream of a .500 team

    the celts should still finish a few games above .500. The Bucks/Pacers will fight for that 8th seed

    Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

    by hedonism bot on Dec 29, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

    No sin

    Just hell no

    "Violence is not always the answer."
    "Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

    by T.Moore on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

    fine ill put it under my own comment

    i got the knicks coming out of the east and winning the whole thing after two 7 game series with the heat and the bulls

    Should've traded for Melo.

    by sin on Dec 30, 2011 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

    Here's mine.

    1)Miami
    -No need to explain. Star power, strong defense, best record in the East.
    2)Chicago
    -Again, this is fairly obvious too. Great defense, DRose, good role players.
    3)Atlanta
    -They’re better this year with Teague at the point and TMac off the bench. I have a feeling they’ll have a very solid regular season.
    4)Orlando
    -This is tricky. If Dwight gets traded mid-season, all bets are off with this team. However, they should still get back some legit NBA talent along with the draft picks, so they’ll be a playoff team regardless.
    5)New York
    -They’re not very good, but they finished sixth last year and should be a little better than that this season. BTW, Melo’s always been chubby but he looks even softer this season. He ain’t up there with Boris Diaw, but he looked real out of shape last night.
    6)Boston
    -I’m tempted to swap them with Indy, but they’ll be OK and get in at the 6. They’ll take Atlanta out in the first round of the playoffs.
    7)Indiana
    -I had them higher up on the list, but they’re nothing special. But watch out for Paul George, he’ll be their best player by year’s end and supplant Granger as the man on that team.
    8)Philadelphia
    -They’ve got some pretty good players and a good coach. Plus, I expect Evan Turner to step it up a bit this season. It’ll be another one and done for Dougie and his kids, though. They’re firmly cemented deep in NBA hell.

    by dakoose on Dec 29, 2011 1:40 PM CST reply actions  

    For miami

    You forgot “Refs on their jock” but I guess that’s under star power

    "Violence is not always the answer."
    "Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"

    by T.Moore on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

    Lol.

    In every game I’ve watched aside from those involving the Heat, the refs have seemed to call less shooting fouls in those cases where the shooter is seeking out the contact. The only two players that the new approach hasn’t worked against are Wade and Bron. It sucks.

    by dakoose on Dec 29, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

    i agree with this

    except I got Indiana as the five seed

    Atlanta will win a championship....someday

    by maxxj3 on Dec 30, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

    Jump back

    1. Chicago

    1. team from last year adds the piece missing. Youth and depth are a big advantage in compacted season.
      2. Miami
      Extended off-season in Miami has weakened the knees of the big 3.
      3. Boston
      Too. Much. Talent.
      4. New York
      Can’t justify rating them lower but I wanted to…
      5. Orlando
      Yes, he stays.
      6. Milwaukee
      Defense at a premium this year.
      7. Indiana
      8. Atlanta

    by mick11 on Dec 29, 2011 1:56 PM CST reply actions  

    I gotz...

    Heats
    Bulls
    Knickers
    Boston
    Atlanta
    Milwaukee
    Indiana
    Philli

    I see Orlando trading Howard after struggling early and not wanting to risk losing him for nothing (hence they miss the playoffs).

    "The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4

    by RogersPark Kris on Dec 29, 2011 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

    Mine

    Heat: Strongest and consistently healthy core.

    Bulls: Rose + Depth

    Hawks: Still have a bit of scoring punch left and will likely not get exposed until the playoffs when there weak rotation comes back to haunt them.

    Knicks: Will likely spend a large chunk of the season “figuring it out” but other teams will likely wilt as the season starts to end. Expect a late surge and will be a deadly come playoff time.

    Magic: Depends on Howard. The team is relatively the same from last year and still lives on the Howards production + jumpers

    76ers: solid well coached team, lacks star power and a real punch which won’t hurt them until the playoffs.

    Celtics: With holes and no depth. Aging core is still good, intact, but a compact season works against them. Expect not give a shit about seeding and care more about just making it in the playoffs.

    Pacers: They have some pieces and have the offense to hide there lack of rebounding during the regular season. They scream of one and done in the playoffs, but anything less than that is a failure.

    (Bucks) Scoring is still a giant question mark. If skiles says fuck it and just try to win ugly by the end of the season, and in a regular season, it might work. But the fact that they will be playing heavily in the same conference would make that a failing strategy as I believe all the playoff potential teams have the ability to flirt with triple digit scores and I doubt the Bucks have the ability to get to 90.

    (Bobcats) Look spry, and finally have a scoring punch in there backcourt. But an under sized frontcourt looks to be a fatal flaw.

    (Wizards) Current roster won’t make the playoffs, maybe a midseason trade gets it done. They have some nice young pieces.

    (Raptors) Maybe Casey gets them playing hard by the end of the season and they surge late. But probably not.
    Nets Even with Howard, they’d be in a dogfight for a low seed, can’t see them gettin’ it done without him.

    Cavs
    Pistons

    Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

    by hedonism bot on Dec 29, 2011 2:08 PM CST reply actions  

    I will give it a shot.

    1. Bulls – Too big, too fast, too strong, too good
    2. Heats – Norris Cole, ROY.
    3. Hawks – Too much KH12
    4. Philly – Strong finish will carry forward.
    5. Magic – Too much drama
    6. Celtics – Window has officially closed.
    7. Bucks – Skiles will have them overachieve.
    8. Knicks – In Baron they trust?

    9. Pacers – Just missed it, still a .500 team.
    10. Nets – DWill & Khump will miss Lopez.
    11. Raptors – Almost a playoff team. Blame Canada.
    12. Wizards – Wall & 2 idiot bigs cannot get it done.
    13. Bobcats – Keep sucking till the Bulls get your pick.
    14. Cavs – youth movements don’t win.
    15. Pistons – Will struggle to win 10 games.

    New signature coming...but its a process.

    by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 29, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

    When did he become

    BG8? Or why?

    There is no bias, the Pistons are just really bad and the Hawks are pretty much the same second round team as last year, with the exception of Teague now starting and JCraw to Portland.

    New signature coming...but its a process.

    by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 29, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

    Nevermind.

    8 for 8th ave.

    He should really change his wallpaper.

    New signature coming...but its a process.

    by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 29, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

    of all the people you've scorned since i've been visiting BaB

    I still don’t understand your hatred for D2.0

    Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.

    by hedonism bot on Dec 29, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

    bg hate gets us bg lovers riled up

    don’t ask. i took mental notes on realgm back in the day about who i had to hate after the FA 09 fiasco.

    Bulls when Keith Bogans, err, Rip Hamilton scores 6 or more points:

    1-1

    by anorexorcist on Dec 29, 2011 11:46 PM CST up reply actions  

    All of you are wrong idiots, poopy heads who know nothing about basketball

    Unveiling the 2011-12 Eastern playoff teams…

    1. Bulls – I still think the Bulls are better built for the regular season than the Heat
    2. Heat – Too much bron-bron

    3. Pacers – I’m feeling the tough talk effect
    4. Knicks – the guards are holding them back
    5. Hawks – they still have the same guys who keep winning 45 – 50 games
    6. Celtics – Don’t fear the reaper

    7. Philly – Too weak on the inside, not enough shooting
    8. Magic – when a star player quits on an untalented team, bad things usually happen
    9. Milwaukee – the glare from skiles bald head can only take them so far.

    Really the East drifts into a cliff after those 9 teams but for the hell of it…

    10. Raptors – Sin will be calling for JJ by February
    11. Pistons – Default
    12. Nets – every NBA player currently in China will be in New Jersey by March1
    13. Bobcats – they will play hard or Silas will fight them. B/c it doesn’t make sense for NJ to sign Chandler and J.R. Smith
    14. Cavs – I kind of like their new uniforms
    15. Wizards – I’m convinced everyone on the team hates everyone else. In 5 years we will be looking at the current Wizards starting lineup as if someone tried to trot out a team of Arenas (John Wall) – Jamal Crawford (Jordan Crawford) – Artest (Andre Blatche FOOL!) and Eddy Slim Curry (Javal McGhee) 5 years ago. They have about 3 dumbasses too many on that team.

    by Basketball Smurf on Dec 29, 2011 4:40 PM CST reply actions  

    Taking a stab at it

    1. Heat – I don’t like it either, people. But is there anything more precarious than a Heat team that feels invincible?
    2. Bulls – Bogans gone, Bulls fall one spot. Coincidence?
    3. Knicks – If they stay healthy, they’ll contend
    4. Celtics – Last run with the roster depth of a slip-n-slide
    5. Hawks – Lots of talent, no Crawford and no D
    6. Philly – Flashy, but good. Collins hasn’t had enough time to have them tune him out.
    7. Pacers – good additions this offseason, still just a tough matchup rather than a contender
    8. Magic – Fall after trade will drop them a few spots.
    -—————————————————— LINE OF RELEVANCE -————————————————————————————————
    9. Bucks – Just miss it, and Skiles fired midseason.
    10. Nets – Thin but consolidated + injuries = disaster
    11. Bobcats – Tyrus will finally be the player we all know he could be. It won’t be enough.
    12. Cavs – May have the ROY, and some young talent mixed in with some overpaid vets.
    13. Wizards – Might make a run this year, but Wall can’t do it by himself
    14. Raptors – Still no idea what’s going on up there.
    15. Pistons – They kind of sucked before losing Rip, now they’re just overpaying players for staying in Detroit.

    by cubbybear on Dec 29, 2011 4:44 PM CST reply actions  

    You're correct. Consider it edited.

    Of course, the Bulls will get to torch the lower seeds in the first round.

    by cubbybear on Dec 30, 2011 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

    Here's my stab.

    These are seasonlong predictions so eh.
    1 Bulls Much like we saw last weak, our depth will be a key factor in the regular season.
    2 Heat They’re really good at basketball and gained people.
    3 Magic – They have Dwight Howard. Yes, the rest of the team isn’t too great. I think they aren’t going to trade Howard, either. We’ll see.
    4 Hawks – Crawford made them win in the playoffs randomly sometimes but I don’t think he helped them get there, and they’re still pretty solid.
    5 Celtics – They’re old but they’re still pretty good.
    6 Knicks – I do not trust the knicks. Not at all.
    7 Pacers – They have some improvements but haven’t gotten that much better, I think.
    8 Bobcats – people improving. I just like this team.

    Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

    by Prevenge on Dec 29, 2011 7:13 PM CST reply actions  

    then the runner-ups, in order, but I don't really care:

    Philly
    Raptors
    Bucks
    Wizards
    Cavs
    Pistons
    Nets

    Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live

    by Prevenge on Dec 29, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

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