Paxson: Bulls monitoring Howard situation
[From the FanShots. Always news when the VP speaks. Haven't heard this whole audio yet but I don't like the early spin-job that's perhaps directly invoking this Woj piece. I'm hoping the Bulls can do more to make themselves an attractive destination, a goal I'm not sure how to measure but something besides actively un-recruiting, ya know? -ed.]
"We don't want to talk about other teams' players but obviously there are situations out there that you know that you have to look at," Paxson said Wednesday on "The Waddle & Silvy Show" on ESPN 1000. "The other part of it is you hope those types of players want to come here. Sometimes, at least what you hear from agents, it doesn't have anything to do with basketball. It has more to do with marketing and whatnot. Those are the things you don't have under control when an agent gets involved and doesn't even want to talk to you. All you do is keep trying, and we certainly will."
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Wow
ties into the whole Adidas conspiracy theory nicely.
The Adidas conspiracy is bogus.
The contract Dwight signs with them is the contract he signs; if moving to Chicago results in less shoe sales for Adidas, that costs them money, not him. And if Adidas feels like he’s not worth the money anymore, Nike will pick him up as soon as soon as Adidas and Dwight tear up the old contract.
The marketing being discussed here could be something like it was in the Shaq situation, where he wanted to bust onto the Hollywood scene. Dwight has a similar, but not as funny and much more annoying, personality to Shaq’s.
by dakoose on Dec 28, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't know if the adidas story is true
but i feel like I have to correct something – Woj in the story is clearly talking about Howard’s next shoe contract which is due next year.
Howard knows this, too. He has an Adidas renewal on deck in the next year, and Los Angeles and Brooklyn guarantee him maximum money.
So Howard is looking to move somewhere to leverage the most amount of money out of Adidas. The presumption is that Nike would offer him more money in NY or LA too. Also you have to figure Howard is most likely more valuable to Adidas than to Nike because with Adidas he is their 1st or 2nd biggest NBA player but with Nike he would be behind guys like Lebron and Blake Griffin. Shoe companies are going to have only so many guys they are willing to pay top dollar for and market. Howard and Adidas have a relationship. I don’t think its easy to throw that away and potentially very costly. (Not that I think Adidas would drop Howard if he signed with chicago. But I can see how people would think he’d be more valuable as a brand in NY or LA.)
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 28, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think Howard's Adidas deal is that big
As far as star shoe deals go, that is. I read that it’s around $6MM a year (compared to the $10MM or so Wade gets from Nike). Can anybody name Howard’s signature shoe? Have you ever seen anyone wearing it? I have NEVER seen anyone with any of Howard’s signature shoes. For some context, I am a basketball shoe fanatic and can say with some confidence that Howard is not selling shoes. Even if he lost his Adidas deal completely, don’t you think he could make up that $6MM a year if he was in the country’s third-biggest market and on the most dominant team in the NBA? The Adidas contract just isn’t big enough to justify having it dictate where he plays.
isn't there an old saying that says big-men don't sell shoes?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno if it's a saying
but that’s what I think.
Just take a look at the current situation
Howard is one of the most personable players in the league. He’s terrific on tv, and basically everything you’d ever want in a product spokesman. Yet, Rose comes along, and Adidas quickly switches up and basically makes Rose the face of Adidas basketball.
And while I prefer Rose’s demeanor much more, Howard is unquestionably the more dynamic of the two personality wise, and likely the better of the two players (I say “likely” cause I don’t want to argue with anyone at the moment). Doesn’t that kind of tell you all you need to know?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 1:57 AM CST up reply actions
Howard is not a limbering big man though
He’s a highlight reel big man with much more athleticism that I’ve ever seen from a seven footer.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 AM CST up reply actions
I think the theory was shoe-buyers literally can't see themselves in big men's shoes
whereas most can at least pretend to be Derrick Rose
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey I was just doing that!
Unfortunately the fantasy ended when an alarm went off while I was trying to hop into some guy’s Lexus :(
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, I was just gonna post this. Good stuff.
He kinda laid it out there without saying anything too specific. I’ve had my doubts about the Bulls intentions in the past, but I think if they had a real shot at Howard, they’d do just about anything to get him here. It would be a complete gamechanger, and they know it. Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface
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HA
Just legitimately LOLed…thanks for the sig
"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard
of course I'll get rid of it if he turns out not to be so fuckfacily inclined
"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard
fuck-faceitis is a chronic condition, i'm afraid
Just wee-un.
by jesus christos on Dec 28, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Only treatment is championship trophies.
Even then it’s still there, but noone cares anymore.
Dennis Rodman used to have a bad case, I think.
damn, this is interesting
Paxson is basically implying they really were going for Howard and stupid crap like adidas is preventing this from happening. Well, at least this clears up why Howard was saying no to Chicago.
Yes, the fact he is even mentioning it is a sign indeed.
I think the talks are serious and its basically some dickhead agent stalling the deal. I don’t even think its Adidas, because I think Nike would swoop in and pay the difference if Adidas tried to lowball him for playing with Rose.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 28, 2011 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
You know what his agent should be telling him?
Rings sell shoes. If adidas is pissed that he’s in Chicago, in one year Nike will get a shot, and will have no problem with him being on the same team as DRose. If he can move into a situation where a title is likely, that Nike deal will be sweet.
Don’t be Patrick Ewing, be Scottie Pippen. Cummon Dwight, get some trophies!
My guess is that this is a combination of things
I’m sure it’s not a case where he’s dying to come here, and Adidas is forbidding him. He probably doesn’t really wana come here all that much anyway (for whatever reason), and Adidas has also probably let him know that they would prefer he didn’t come as well.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 28, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
^^ this
Dwight has actually made his priorities somewhat known. No cold weather, more control of front office acquisitions, and a major market where he can sign a baller shoe deal.
Chicago is offering him none of these outright, and while you could make the argument that he can still get a good shoe deal, his other options make it so much easier for him to get what he really wants.
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
I don't think this is Adidas
Adidas might have something to do with it, but I think the push to the Nets is more about other opportunities. As I mentioned in the other Howard thread, big men DO NOT sell shoes. Howard’s importance to Adidas is not on the scale of David Beckham or even Rose, so I doubt they would try to dictate where he could play. The common perception (and I would say “misperception”) is that playing in NY or LA raises your profile and gives you exposure to other kinds of marketing deals. I cannot explain why he would include Dallas on the list but not Chicago if his goal is to star in more ads.
I think what we are dealing with here is Dwight’s misplaced idea of how to improve his celebrity status. Geography aside, winning makes you famous. The most famous athlete of all time never played for a team in NY or LA. He just won a lot. Also, teaming up with someone does not limit your marketing potential (Wade and James seem to do just fine). It seems that Howard is being poorly advised as he would win (a lot) if he teamed up with Rose.
We just need to accept that Howard is an imbecile and move on.
by Stay Chisel on Dec 28, 2011 5:02 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
McGrady chimes in
As the original owner of a lifetime shoe deal with Adidas, a man with no championships, no glistening playoff legacy, McGrady rejects the idea that Howard ought to let his endorsement-earning power with the shoe company dictate anything about his desire to play for the Bulls. For Adidas, there’s far less of a return on Howard’s stardom to have him sharing the Chicago stage with the company’s biggest endorser, Derrick Rose.
"You’re going to have other endorsements because you’re playing in a big-ass city like Chicago, and because you’re [bleeping] Dwight Howard," McGrady said.
by Option27 on Dec 28, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
T-Mac I agree lol
“You’re going to have other endorsements because you’re playing in a big-ass city like Chicago, and because you’re [bleeping] Dwight Howard,” McGrady said.
"Violence is not always the answer."
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by T.Moore on Dec 28, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Some big Chicago corp should offer him a standing deal if he will sign with the Bulls. Then he'd have no excuse.
Like Walgreen’s says, “We’ll give you 5M/year to be our spokesman. BAM, come to Chicago, man.”
Walgreen's lol
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"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
lol, it's almost like Woj is angry that Howard won't come here too
He keeps harping on this for some reason.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 28, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
He's a pureset with a pen.
Anybody that doesn’t make reasons based on basketball is going to feel his wordy fury.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 28, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
Shit, I forgot the best part
And a Howard-Rose combination?
"Hell yes, championship," McGrady said. "Championship. There’s no doubt about it."
by Option27 on Dec 29, 2011 1:26 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Can you imagine the Pick and Roll defense?
They’d probably double both of them. Reggie would probably try to come out of retirement just to get all those open 3’s.
What separates the Bulls from the rest of the pack here
is that we have some potentially ultra-valuable assets in Mirotic and the Charlotte pick. The teams that Dwight wants to go to, the Nets and Lakers, are in worse positions than we are. We have more to offer talent-wise(players) and value-wise(picks).
Lets say that Orlando gets Bynum and Gasol for Dwight. They won’t get picks worth anything but will be too good to pick in the lottery. As long as those two bigs are there, they’ll be drafting around 19-20.
New Jersey may be able to offer a pick, but they have no players; They’re not trading DWill and Lopez is now not just a bum, but an injured one.
Pax needs to force ORL to let them have a sit down with Dwight where they can do what they did with Lebron and Wade; roll out the red carpet and make the little kid feel special.
by dakoose on Dec 28, 2011 5:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A sit down with Dwight should change Dwight's mind.
Obviously, Orlando is attracted with our offer, so I’m sure we’re always a possibility. I say trade Noah + Boozer + Bobcats Pick for Dwight (50/50 chance of signing an extension. If we can keep Deng, we’re for sure the favorite to win the title. A ring is enough to convince Dwight to stay in Chicago.
I haven't heard the audio yet, but upon first and second glance there's a reason Paxson ascended away from the media
And I don’t like the early spin-job that’s perhaps directly invoking the Woj piece.
Paxson quit as GM (remember?) in part because he hated dealing with the supposed non-basketball elements like the agents. This is kinda reflecting that, and strikes me as unnecessary consternation on his part.
I’m hoping that instead of constantly puffing their chests over how they don’t need to worry about such matters, the Bulls can do more to make themselves an attractive destination. I admit, that’s goal I’m not sure how to measure, especially without hindsight when Howard is not a Bull soon, but: do something besides actively un-recruiting, ya know?
In conclusion, WHATWOULDPATRILEYDO
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 6:25 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Huh?
If the conspiracy theorists are right and Howard is more worried about an endorsement deal than a championship how is that Paxson’s fault? I guarantee you their are peple in Howards camp saying he should go to Chicago just like William Wesley was the only guy among Lebron’s yes men saying go to Chicago. If he doesn’t get traded here its not because the Bulls didn’t try to make a deal, not because Reinsdorf is suppossedly cheap, no one wants to play in Jordans shadow or anyother nonsensical reason that people have made up as to why free agents didn’t come.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
I think yfbb is arguing the Bulls can make more of an attempt to sale
the franchise as a destination that would be lucrative than taking the presumed stance that they are above such considerations. It doesn’t seem like the franchise is very interested in catering to superstars. People make all this commotion about whether Rose is willing to recruit or not, but when James came to meet with the Bulls brass, they didn’t exactly make it seem like they would let him have the freedom he enjoys in Miami. Some people congratulate the organization for not catering to spoiled players but if that would get the organization one of these guys… maybe they should pull out all the stops and kiss a little ass and sale a little bit.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 28, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't
The problem with James in Cleveland that he had too much sway and influence? Lebron wanted an old ragged Shaq they got him. James wanted them to keep Ilgauskas and they did that. They gave James’ boys meal money on the road like they were players. The organization is selling the benefits of winning TITLES with an established MVP. The third largest market in the country and the best known NBA brand worldwide. If a player wants more than that then they should just retire now and buy their own team. The minute you give them everything is the minute they become impossible to coach or give constructive criticism to.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If they got Howard, they'd be likely winning titles
and Howard’s ‘boys’ could all eat at Gibsons for free forever.
I don’t see how trading for Howard and trying to convince him this is the place he wants to be (or in the reverse order if you’re more risk-averse about this than I) is antithetical to being a championship organization.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't
give up the kind assests needed to get Howard without knowing you’ll have him past this season. The Clippers got Paul with the assurance that he wont opt out after this year so the have him for the next two seasons.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
They'd have his Bird rights, for one.
and they’d have a really good team with him and Rose and whatever else is left. I’d like the Bulls to say ‘hey, we can be as desirable of a franchise as the Los Angeles Clippers!’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
and I think it's important to remember this isn't some faux-star like Carmelo Anthony
He’s arguably the best player in basketball.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Easily the best center but hardly the best player
Great stats, physically dominant, etc. Great player but can’t take over games, shoot FTs, will his team to wins, or shoot from 10 feet out. As Simmons said, he’ll never win on a team where he’s the best player. As good as he is, he’s not the best.
by Stay Chisel on Dec 28, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
he's carried his team to one more NBA finals than Derrick Rose
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Defensively
Yes, offensively he was their third best player behind Turkoglu and Lewis.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Without the attention Howard commands at the rim
Turk and Lewis would have averaged single digit PPGs throughout there Orlando tenure.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 28, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
OH, so you're just delusional as to his ability to help the Bulls
this shoe talk makes more sense.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Your
sarcasm is horrendous. Howard wasn’t as refined in the post with his footwork when they went to the finals. He certainly got his points but during the playoffs the ball was in the hands of Turkoglu during crunch time and not Howards. Unless I’m imagining the playoffs wrong and in particular the series against the Cavs.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
your sarcasm is great!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
When
I make a sarcastic remark you’ll know trust me.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
This argument is dumb
I don’t care where you’d rank his offense or defense. He’s easily one of the top 3 players in the league every tear. And personally, I’d take him ahead of everyone. He’s totally unique.,
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 2:02 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah but I do think
it’s not crazy to say that he can’t be the best player on a Championship team.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
2004-2005 Detroit Pistons.
Name one player BETTER than Dwight Howard on that team.
by Gator_Nation on Dec 29, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions
It's about the fit of a team, not the pieces.
The Pistons as a unit were the best team in the league those years. Their defensive philosophy and how each player worked together was the difference. (By the way, each player for that Pistons team was a top 3 player at their position)
Miami just showed you that it’s not about a bunch of All-stars. David Robinson was a better player than Dwight Howard and he didn’t win anything until he got Tim Duncan…a guy who was good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
So the brilliant GM Joe Dumars can find pieces to fit around...
…Ben Wallace, but a GM can’t find pieces to fit around Dwight Howard?
Ty Lawson – Kirk Hinrich
Andre Iguodala – Ben Gordon
Luol Deng – Andre Iguodala
Joakim Noah – Ryan Anderson
Dwight Howard – Noah – Ryan Howard
It’s not a perfect team, but I don’t know if there is a team in the league that could score on it.
meh
Whoa, that would be an insane defensive team
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
Ryan Howard?
The first baseman?
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Hey Tyger you know what?
I’m with you 100%.I’ve been saying that over the last two days that we got to hold GMs responsible for building championship teams. Including ours. That team defensively would be ridiculous but they’re not winning a title.
I hear what Squadron Supreme is saying on a basic level though about Dwight and his play. He’s a great player but he’s not “that dude” He’s not a guy that can close out games and win them. Yeah I know cumulatively he affects games but I’m talking about winning games.
He’s not going to win a ring being his team’s best player and if he comes here, and he wouldn’t be the best player on this Bulls team but they could win a title with him.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Maybe he can't be the best "scorer" if you want to get really technical
but I don’t see why you’d want to. Of course any team with Howard is gonna need a very good wing player. Just like any team with Rose will need a great frontcourt.
Any attempt to minimize Howard’s carer is pretty pointless. He’s an incredible player.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
No one's minimizing anything about Dwight
It’s not a slight to point out what he is. Just like when someone points out Rose’s height isn’t a slight. Howard is a great player playing in an era that allows him to appear even greater. He’s not as good as Olajawon. That’s a center who was good enough to win a title being his teams best player because that’s a guy I could give the ball to and say “Get me points big man, win us this game” Dwight can’t do that.
He’s not even as good as his comp David Robinson and that dude needed help. It matters in the NBA what type of “great” you are. OK Dwight is a great defender and changes games. So what. Karl Malone was great at the PnR. Who cares? Until he gets with a player that’s capable of winning games, Dwight will be a great Center who puts up great numbers.
You put him with Rose…Now we’re talking because what he does is complimented by a player that can win games. That’s the difference in my opinion.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Well , you can only really compare players relative to the era they played
The NBA game has changed so much, it’s unfair to hold him up to past big man standards. Teams just don’t use post scoring like they used
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
so 3rd best offensive player, best defensive player?
sounds pretty good to me
"Shame he’s such a goofy fuckface."
-JBJ, referring to Dwight Howard
But great centers are so rare.
He dominates his position to a greater extent than non-centers dominate their positions, because there are so few good centers, let alone great ones.
Bird rights
are not an assurance that he would stay after this season. Dallas a team on Howard’s list has no tradeable assests. If he goes their as an unrestricted his bird rights go bye bye.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
agreed; he's already fed up with not getting what he wants in Orl
…and he comes off as having this petulant moody kid syndrome; it boggles my mind how he gets so many Ts.
Unless the Bulls do win the title I don’t think he’d be very happy going into yet another situation he didn’t want to be in, even if it worked out for the best
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
If he can't be signed past this season, then he will cost less
Just like anything in life, a warranty is worth money.
The question then becomes: can the Bulls offer more without Dwight being signed to a contract than New Jersey or LA can offer with Dwight being signed?
Because GarPaxDorf would have to be stupid to pony up the same offer for Howard without a contract as they would if he was locked up for years.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 29, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
I'm saying there's no benefit to having Paxson whine on the airwaves about 'agents'
Besides perhaps spinning the ‘No Bulls Fault’ story you’ve already bought even before Howard’s officially not a Bull.
Bulls should try their best to go get him, and then try and keep him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Give
me reasons why its the Bull’s fault if Howard is traded somewhere else.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
who cares whose fault?
Your position if saying it’s guaranteed not to be the Bulls fault is just as ridiculous. You know just as little shit as I do.
did they try their best to get him? That’s all I ask. Saying ‘well, ya know, them shoe agents and ’boys’!‘’ doesn’t really wash for me.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Stories
were written two weeks ago that the Bulls wanted in on the Howard sweepstakes. You act as if agents have always influenced their clients to make the best basketball decision possible. I could see blaming Pax if the whole addidas thing orginated from him. It started with Simmons, Wojanarowski and others who had no connection to the Bulls. You’re right though I don’ t know if they’ve made an effort just like you don’t know if they didn’t.
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by squadron supreme on Dec 28, 2011 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm calling in Gar Forman from the bullpen
actually, like Kyrie Brewver, we need to meld Forman’s personality onto Paxson’s handsome jawline. And I don’t even know Forman’s personality, but he never choked a subordinate or quit due to stress (yet).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 28, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this completely
We have no idea how hard the Bulls have tried to get him. We just have to hope that they’re pulling out all the stops. But if you’re basing things on past history, the Bulls definitely seem more like the type of org that sits around and hopes that great things happen to them. They are very risk averse. So you do have to wonder if thy’re really doing all they can. As yfbb metioned, what would Pat Riley be doing in this situation? Idk, but I guarantee he wouldn’t stop pushing for until Howard was in a new uniform.
And to the other point someone made, I really like the idea of trading for him even if he won’t resign. Why the fuck not? Just get him in here and hope he changes his tune. It’s a franchise altering move. Him and Rose together would put the Bulls as title contenders every year for years to come. Sometimes it’s worth the risk
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 29, 2011 2:08 AM CST up reply actions
Plus...
If we trade for him without the guarantee, and he changes his tune and decides to stay, then we will have gotten him at hopefully a significant discount without any penalty.
It’s the ideal way to do it in my mind.
That said, I get the risk, if he walks and we just lost Noah, that will hurt a lot. But we extend Asik then and use the cap space to fill the whole, teams have rebounded from bigger loses, and the potential gain of adding D.How makes it a risk worth taking in my eyes.
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yeah i'm def willing to trade for him without a guarantee he'll resign
i ultimately think he would decide to because he would realize that he and rose would be unstoppable. although who the fuck knows really.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
i dunno what is worse
When we were a shyyty team and I could make excusea why we lost or being a really good team and excuseato make excuses why we lost
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by Belize on Dec 28, 2011 6:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
as it has been said before.
If winning is number one on his list, he needs to come to Chicago. If marketing is number one on his list, he can fuck off to LA/Brooklyn.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 28, 2011 9:23 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
If you can get Howard
Without giving up Rose or Deng then you take the chance on convincing him to come here. I think including Deng is too much of a risk and without Deng can you do a deal that makes sense for Orlando? Noah, Gibson, CHA pick … running out of value to add. Maybe trade Asik for OJ Mayo and include him in the deal?
You are quite off on your evaluations of players.
If Orlando wants Deng and Noah, they get Deng and Noah for Howard. If they want Boozer/Deng/Noah/Brewer/Korver, give it to them, and don’t blink. But giving the Grizzlies Asik for Mayo is horrid, and Orlando would want him much, much less than Asik. That being said, I would much rather the Bulls offer to take back Turkoglu than pump the deal full of our assets. Getting Turk and maybe Duhon with Howard is a better route than surrendering all of our assets like Asik/CHA pick/Mirotic/CHI 1sts.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 28, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
I think this depends on the contract situation
If he signs on the dotted line, give ’em Deng.
No contract, then the Bulls don’t give a Deng. (sorry)
I understand where you’re coming from as far as getting a franchise-altering player, but still….the offer should be contingent on the contract. If he isn’t signed, then the Bulls will need better players for the short time that he may possibly be in Chicago, to be sure they can indeed win the title and induce him to stay long term.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 29, 2011 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
if we offer deng we are screwed. so in other words we’re screwed
i guess when we amnesty boozer next year things will be sort of okay capwise
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 28, 2011 9:49 PM CST reply actions
Before last season half this Blog wanted Deng out
Deng is my favorite Bull since he came to the team and I always defended him. But Howard is Howard. You don’t pass on that chance.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 29, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions
I think Deng is good.
The guy is looking like he has a decent shot at the all-star team. Just seems like a lot to give up for a guy who might not sign with us. Imagine renting Howard for a season, watching him bolt to Dallas and then seeing Deng, Noah, Gibson on the Magic for the next 5 years.
by D-Cas on Dec 28, 2011 9:53 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
After these 2 games they played this season, and I know it's a very small sample size,
I’m basically in the trade everyone except Rose for Howard camp. Only if he signs an extension though. As good as this team is I just find it hard to believe they have enough power to get to the finals. I love Noah, but he’s inconsistent, lacking offensively, and he’s just not Howard. Boozer…….well I don’t think I need to get into that. I hope I’m proven wrong and everything clicks for the team and they win a championship with the current cast. But if there’s a slight chance they can convince Howard to come to the Bulls and STAY, they have to pursue every avenue. Who knows, Howard might start to realize Chicago might be the best place for him. Sometimes players are just so focused on one spot, no matter how much sense the other spot might be for them, they can’t seem to see it themselves.
Maybe Howard will start to realize the Bulls are the best place for him. It has to bother him somewhat that all these stars are playing together making highlight reel plays, winning, having fun. And something might just click for him and he’ll realize that there’s only one place that he’s meant to be and that’s Chicago.
On the J.R. Smith bandwagon until otherwise advised.
i think if he wants to ring within the next 2-3 yrs, chi-town is the place...he's limited in options
nets are going no where…i mean, their team is trash besides williams and KH (lopez is out). Lakers dont want to part with gasol and bynum. What choice does he have now?! very few teams next yr will have salary cap to sign a monster contract like Howard unless its a sign and trade, but even that will be difficult. I think by midseason, he might have urge to say “I wana wee-un” and from that point, I think the bulls have the assets to get Howard. If need be, the bulls can always try to involve a third team. By midseason, expect magic to trade off Howard and I hope the bulls can pull off a once a decade trade for one of the top 3 players in the game.
retarded pax just jumped at the opportunity to take the excuse woj bullshitted up for his article
Should've traded for Melo.
What if Orlando doesnt want big contracts in return for Howard?
perhaps Orlando doesnt want Deng, Boozer, or Noah. they will be a rebuilding team the second Howard leaves town, and i could see them not to keen on taking back one of those contracts, let alone several of them. if this happens to be the case, is there any type of package the bulls could offer Orlando that wouldnt include at least one of those three? obviously those are our three best tradeable players, but i wouldnt be surprised if Orlando is looking for big expiring deals.
and yes, i know we’d have a gigantic payroll and thin team if we made this deal with Orlando demanding no long term big contracts in return. I also would be ok with that because it would basically ensure JR decided to pay the tax. I still don’t think they’d amnesty Boozer. He’d likely be moved to the bench, although I don’t think he’d bitch about it because him and Howard are BFF, or so i’ve read. The Bulls would likely have to trade Gibson, Asik, Watson, Brewer, Korver Mirotic, CHA 1st, various other picks. And a third team would almost have to be involved in this case as well because of how many players that would be going to Orlando. Some other team would have to take some of Orlando’s players in exchange for draft picks or something.
Rose-Lucas
Hamilton-(minimum salary free agent…Bogans?)
Deng-Butler
Noah-Boozer
Howard-Scalabrine
im not sure. the starting lineup is incredible and Boozer could be 6th man of the year, but that team is SO thin.
Again, this is just if Orlando is insistent on not taking big contracts back, but I do think that is a possibility.
in your scenario where we trade 5 role players and 2 picks for the best center of this era
youre worried about lineups??
lol.
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 29, 2011 2:35 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No way
Trade Noah if you’re getting Howard. We won’t need Noah.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 29, 2011 7:29 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, but not necessarily to Orlando
Noah should be able to get Kevin Martin, Affalo or Mayo and additional role players. Not sure about the contracts, but just throwin’ it out there.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 29, 2011 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Nene has signed with the Nuggets and the Grizzlies don't have the cap space to take on Noah.
Noah wouldn’t be much of an upgrade, if any, over Marc Gasol and both of their contracts would be too much coming off the Bench. The market in Memphis, and the owner, doesn’t give them the ability to go over the tax.
by Gator_Nation on Dec 29, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently, they want veterans in the deal
This helps the Bulls package even more
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217879/Source_Magic_Seeking_Veterans_In_Deal_For_Howard
All Dwight have to do is wise up, swallow his pride, and says "I want to go to Chicago"
And its done
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I don't buy the "adidas" theory
what better way to sell shoes than winning. If Rose and Dwight wins the ship, there’s a ton of marketing opportunities in that (Adidas Brotherhood vs Miami Nike Sisterhood). And since Rose is their #1 endorser, don’t you think the goofy dwight will be a perfect combination to the humblebot Rose?
I don’t have a stat but imo breds colorway is the goat vs nj, la, orl or any colorway
Miami created the mold for the NBA Free Agency.
Last year there were about 6 teams that were clamoring for Lebron/Wade/Bosh to come to their city and Miami was able to pull all 3. In Their first season the Heat made it to the Finals. This Season in many eyes they are the favorite to win the title this year. (Can you believe we passed on Norris Cole!?!?) Anyway, the tone was set. Stoudemire had Already singed with NY and shortly after they trades everything but the kitchen sink for Melo. The nets did the same for Williams, but sent the freshly finished sink also. Now the Free agency is just about acquiring the most all stars. In that department, we lost. With Miami’s instant success, every Allstar free agent wants to pair with other all stars to win a title. So why in the world would Dwight Howard not want to come to Chicago? Youngest MVP ever, Huge Market, Team with last years best record? Well As good as it sounds New York sounds better. How? Why? Some would argue that as a PG, and even overall player, D Williams is better then rose. For this discussion we will say D rose has the slight advantage because he won the MVP. AFter that what can the Bulls offer? Chicago is a big Market, but New York is Bigger. Maybe just in the media or people’s minds, but the Owner/Front Office in Chicago is infamously cheap. The Nets will have a new stadium and A Russian billionaire. Which is Dwight advised that will most likely pay the Tax? I’m going to guess the Billionaire running for presidency in Russia. There is a global Appeal that Prokhorov can entice Howard with that Chicago can not. Jordan was a global icon in Chicago, because Michael Jordan was the best the world had ever seen. Well if winning gets you endorsements, makes you famous, then why not come to the better team? Well what’s to say if he comes to Chicago we will win? our team is better then the Nets, but there are no garauntees in Sports. The question isn’t what if we win, it’s what if we don’t win. Then what? The Front office’s love for flexibility is exactly what they won’t have after acquiring Howard. As the team stands we have 4 players going to be making over 12 million next season. The Nets have only one. Derron Williams. So just like Lebron/ Wade got to build their “Superteam,” Dwight can build his in NY. It worked for the heat. He’s advised: Why can’t it work for the Nets. The clearly have much more flexibility then the Bukks do without losing their superstar. Carlos Boozer is really hurting the Bulls flexibility right now. Even if he isn’t traded to the Nets, he can just sign with them next season and they won’t lose any pieces. Then finally there is the lime light. Jay-Z’s connection with the team is a big draw for someone who is wanting to raise their network (outside of basketball). He also wants to make the jump to movies, NY is a bigger market for that as well. Clearly not the draw that LA has, but greater then Chicago. With no garauntees of titles in Chicago and all the appeal of New York, it’s not hard to see why Dwight might not want to go to Chicago. As an avid Bull’s fan I say unload the roster for him, but if he doesn’t want to come there are reasons why.
by Gator_Nation on Dec 29, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Wow, people are really feeling Norris Cole
Dude’s played in 3 games. Last night he put up 5 points on 25% shooting. Aside from his performance in that Boston game, he’s been pretty pedestrian. Let’s hold off on the ROY honors until he plays in maybe 10 games.
by Stay Chisel on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Right game wrong player
Kebab will be rookie of the year. I hate it too. Lates slow down on the heat. They played the mavericks who need name tags to figure each other out, the celtics without Paul pierce, and the bobcats. Fuck em.
by KCinIL on Dec 29, 2011 1:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
lol i was trying to figure out what the fuck that meant hahahahaha
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
No worries, kebabs are awesome.
Now I know what I’m getting for lunch!
On the other hand
that performance on game 2 (vs Boston) proves (again) that Rondo sucks
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 29, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Let the magic run off a handful of losses and it's happening
Same division as Boston, Miami and the knicks, the magic are going nowhere. NJ is in the same damn boat, going nowhere. Why would he go play with Kobe minus the rest of the damn team. Trade Boozer Noah, picks, money, take a bad contract, whatever. There’s no way on earth that out of those teams he wants to go they have a better chance o win than we do. By the way, our coach is the icing on the cake. Defensive player before just wait till thibs gets a hold of em he’d be unstoppable. Get er done!
by KCinIL on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We have the right combination of trade-able assets and ability to win rings,
that’s not the issue. It comes down to whether or not the Bulls can
a)get an opportunity to sell Dwight on Chicago
and
b)successfully convince him to come and sign an extension.
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