Afflalo: Sources told ESPN.com that the Chicago Bulls and Los Angeles Lakers, despite possessing no cap space to bid for the 26-year-old swingman, will continue to press the Nuggets to see if they’re amenable to sign-and-trade discussions. Sources say New Jersey and Minnesota, meanwhile, are among the teams with salary-cap space weighing whether to extend an offer sheet after free agency officially starts Dec. 9 that the Nuggets will have three days to match to keep Afflalo.
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I guess that all depends on...
whether or not the Lakers are going to move ahead with a trade for Howard involving a mixture of Gasol/Odom/Bynum. I’m not sure how much cap space that would free up for them, especially if Howard asks for a max contract (which he probably will), but it probably puts the Lakers in a better position than they are now. As for us, who would we trade? Taj? and how much space does that free up for us then to offer a decent contract? I can’t see Afflalo going to Minny, but I can see him going to the Nets
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the new rule allowing
more than just 120% salary coming back doesn’t apply? I thought the CBA had something so you wouldn’t have to throw in extra players to move deals along. Or does that not apply with sign and trades.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
Here is the only scenario I can see Affalo ending up with the Bulls
1. The Bulls reach out to his agent to assess what kind of deal he wants. Its has to be a deal high enough to satisfy Afflalo AND a deal that makes Denver pause on matching. I say that price is around $7-8 million a year for 4 years.
2. Afflalo wants to play for the Bulls. This is important. Because the Bulls are unlikely to win a bidding war for his services. He doesn’t have to give the Bulls a discout, but he may have to expect $4-5 million less over the life of his contract.
3. The Denver Nuggets are outbid for Nene.
4. The Nuggets than must decide it doesn’t make sense to pay a role player that much money on a rebuilding team. (It doesn’t – but the Nuggets may feel differently).
5. The Bulls work out a sign and trade sending 2 of 3 Brewer/Korver/Watson and 1 of 2 Taj/Asik (usually I’d say most teams want Asik but Denver already has a foreign center they think is good and might prefer a PF).
6. Denver gets cap flexibility and a young big to help replace K. Martin and Nene. The Bulls get Afflalo. Afflalo gets the Bulls.
A lot has to go right for Afflalo to play here. And a lot depends on how much Denver views Afflalo as instrumental to their future and where Nene goes. I’m not hopeful; if Denver can keep Nene they may actually be decent again.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 2, 2011 12:51 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
good post, and I essentially agree
although the trade might be costly. If we can get it done for Korver, Watson and Taj I’d probably do it.
Brewer, Korver and Asik seems like too much to give up… but then again Afflalo’s game is exactly what we’re all pining for.
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 2, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
would you do the first one I mentioned?
Korver-Watson-Taj?
That would leave us with Rose-Afflalo-Deng-Boozer-Noah as our starting 5 and Brewer, Butler and whoever else coming off the bench (TJ Ford maybe? Bogans?).
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 2, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Why would you give up Rose's only real back up?
I’d give them Taj and Brewer.
But in saying that, I’d give Memphis Taj straight up for Mayo. A deal that’s much more appealing
by Option27 on Dec 2, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
we can sign another backup pg
we may sign another backup pg anyway. Regardless, Watson was included only for salary purposes. I don’t see him as an asset Denver would want with Miller and Lawson already on the roster.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 2, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
This is sarcasm
But yeah, nba level ball handling seems to be at a premium, its hard to trade that way.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 2, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention that the Nuggets have two starter caliber point guards
Lawson and Felton
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 2, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
ugh
Felton is with the TrailBlazers now… I guess the nugs have Andre Miller again ?
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 2, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
the draft
I know, I forgot a lot about it too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
well sure
but would Memphis accept that? I’d totally do it if so.
I like the idea of keeping Korver if we trade for Afflalo (3 pt marksman off the bench).
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 2, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
I think the deal would have to involve...
Taj + Brewer + either Bogans or Pargo’s non guaranteed contracts. Then the Bulls would need to use their MLE on a back-up PF…
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 2, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Taj.
But I like this idea even more, I think.
Depending on who they’d sign as a back-up PF, and for how much, they might even be able to squeeze in a contract for someone like Battier to back-up Deng.
if we're giving up that much already
I’d rather take on some $, throw in Mirotic or a pick, and get Iggy.
Or Mayo.
Maybe I’m just not bowled over by Afflalo. He seems like a really good player for the Bulls system. But in our nightmare scenarios where Rose is trapped, is he that other playmaker?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
I agree
I think Affalo might be the best fit on paper for us, but I’m not sure if he’s going to be able to create and make big shots throughout the year. I’m not sure if I would be willing to give up someone like Taj or Asik for him right now.
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I'm with you
I’d rather have a guy who can draw a defense himself as opposed to having another guy playing off Rose. However, I’m starting to believe that Thibs is trying to recreate the Boston team in Chicago and Afflalo is much closer to what would work in the system Boston runs. Why else would the Bulls be so interested in so many of these type of players?
I look at this as the Bulls pursuing someone who fits the system Thibs likes to run.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 2, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
if this is the Boston system
hmmm…I’d say the problem is Deng is no Pierce, but they get by with Rondo having little intention to create shots either.
But even Garnett can create opportunities more than any non-Rose Bull, though not in a perimeter trap situation
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 2, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Well not to beat a dead horse but
Wouldn’t BG basically be the “Ray Allen” for Thibs? That’s all that’s really missing at this point. Running around screens and being that 3pt threat? I know. He’s not coming back but just sayin.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Allen plays good D
on the other hand BG is better creating for himself
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 3, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
getting oj mayo
via trade (korver, taj, brewer for mayo and haddadi?) and then signing either shane battier or both tmac and grant hill would be a nice plan
scenerio 1:
rose
mayo
deng
boozer
noah
cj
bogans/butler
shane/butler
haddadi/battier
asik/haddadi
scenerio 2:
rose
mayo
deng
boozer
noah
cj
tmac
hill
haddadi
asik
(butler replaces the one who gets injured out of hill and tmac)
both scenerios are good i think. The second one works better for regular season, the first better for playoffs….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I've got to be honest with you
when your format posts like this, my eyes glaze over and I skip the post.
Maybe the problem is that you’re trying to fit too many ideas in one post, but i’d find it a lot easier to read if you just stated who you were trying to trade for and who you were giving up. Most of us are familiar enough with the lineup that you don’t need to spell everything out. I only mention it because I like most of your posts that I do read.
critique well taken
ill reign in the rewritting rosters bit….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
it would probably go over better if you did each lineup on a single line
rather than one position per line
-Jeeves The I in Team
ill keep that in mind
but at least on this blog, when regarding the bulls roster, runningman is probably right, everyone knows the roster, i dont have to spell it out for them like im on the espn comments section or something. But yea, when writing out other rosters or trickier trades ill probably do the pg/sg/c/sf/pf/ thing or something….thanks for the idea…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
But Mirotic is going to be next Bird-Dirk-Obi Wan Kenobi ;)
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 2, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'd just settle for him giving us a proper sequel
to those Rudy Fernandez Slam Dunk contest commercials from a couple years ago. Accents are funny.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 3, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
btw With the lockout I forgot: what happened with Rudy?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 3, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
i think he is reporting to the Mavs
I dont know if he ended up playing with Madrid but I know that Madrid’s offer to play had an opt out.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
If we could get Iggy...
For any of the many scenarios as outlined by Doug Thonus, then I would be quite stoked. I am just not convinced Iggy is on the market for spare parts.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 2, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
nor am I
I hear it a lot in rumor mills, but I just don’t believe it. if we could get Iggy for Korver + Brewer + Taj + some 1st rounder, wouldn’t we all do it?
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and sacrifice our flexibility?
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 3, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
see thats why it hasnt happened yet: thats too much to give up but we only have small salaried guys outside the core.
with the new 150% trade rule it could become sligtly easier, but we still have to come up with like 7 million-ish. I wouldnt even trade korver and brewer, our only 3pt shooter and a great wing defender, together for iggy, a SF. I mean I’d give up that much value for him but look what your trade does to our roster for a guy who isnt even really a 2.
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 3, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
The only way I think Iggy makes sense for this team is if we move Deng for Ellis. Rose/Ellis/Iggs/Booz/Noah sounds like a fun unique lineup.
by metalkiwis on Dec 4, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'd prefer Mayo too.
Funny thing is, Bulls could’ve had him last year if they were willing to part with Taj. We wouldn’t have gotten to see that sick dunk on Wade, but we could’ve probably still lost the heat in five games without Taj’s services (starts muttering curse words to self after thinking abut that series again)
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 3, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
giving up far too much
If we are giving up all that, we better be getting Roy or Iguodala back.
by kpd on Dec 3, 2011 3:35 AM CST up reply actions
"2 of 3 Brewer/Korver/Watson and 1 of 2 Taj/Asik" WHAAA?!
Are we getting back Eric Gordon or Stephan Curry? Oh wait, we’d be getting back Aaron Afflalo, who would probably only be the fourth or fifth best player on this team. I think he’d be a great fit, but we cannot decimate our bench or size for him. We’d lose our backup PG, or maybe both of our backup SGs, the guy who backs up 2 injury prone starters, or a future defensive force. Obviously you have to give up something to get quality, but I’m not gonna overpay to get this guy. Holler at me when he makes some All-Star teams. Better yet, let’s revisit this when Afflalo makes the All-Star ballot.
by Stay Chisel on Dec 3, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah b/c you are getting an all-star for
Korver, Taj, and Watson. Wake me up when Deng or Noah makes an all star team.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 4, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
All star team to me lost some of its relevance
When T Mac and Ai almost made it…To me its more popularity, otherwise Aldridge would be in last year
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the one for me
was in 02-03 when carter got voted in despite only playing 10 games before january… and then almost refused to give his spot to jordan even though iverson and mcgrady had already offered.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
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by Jaina on Dec 4, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
no
do you really think you could get a Deng or Noah level player with Taj-Korver and watson?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 4, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
my comment sounds more hostile than intended
i just think that will be the price. I believe Bulls fans overvalue our assets some time. I don’t believe Brewer, Korver and Watson have much value in the trade market. They are useful players on good contracts, but nothing that changes a team. So they are the contracts to make a deal work. From Denver’s perspective the trade is basically Afflalo for Taj and cap space. I suspect they would cut the other two guys they get at the end of the season. From the Bulls perspective, I believe the best trade is Watson, Korver and Taj for Affalo. Because Watson was a disappointment, Korver can’t play D and you have a few guys who can play the PF spot for a few minutes a game (Boozer, Noah, Deng, possible free agent).
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 4, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
in that sense
you could probably replace Watson with Bogans and than Denver can cut him immediately to save money. I just think my dislike of Watson makes me want to throw him into trades.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 4, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
im not sure how you dislike watson
but that is to say, im not sure how you like him either. To me hes sort of a neutral player, he didnt do anything that really made me like or appreciate him, but at the same time he didnt do anything negatively to make me feel like he should get the hell off this team. If he stays or if he goes, it doesnt affect anything for me and imho the team.
So i agree that throwing watson in trades is game, i just dont get how you can feel so strongly about disliking him….im not sure what he did to make u feel…well….anything about him
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i think he sucks on offense in the role Thibs played him in
he shot 37% from the field last year. I think if you look at the back up pgs on the other conference finalists (Maynor, Barea, Chalmers) he was the worst. The Bulls were desperate for another shot creator other than Rose and I thought he would deliver and he didn’t. Thonus seems to have more optimism for what he can do this year, but I wasn’t all that impressed. He seems like a player who needs to be given freedom to be effective and I don’t know if he will ever get that in Chicago. I thought he was one of the main reasons the 2nd unit was so bad offensively. So I dislike him for this team. It seems like an area where the Bulls can cheaply improve.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 5, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
we should offer Taj, Korver, and a 2013 1st rounder (this draft is stacked)
and if they don’t accept then too bad.
i heard this draft sucks....
im so confused
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Really?
Whoever told you badly misinformed you…
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 2, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
thats what i thought
after so many rookies pulled out of the draft last year, i thought the better ones would declare this year, and would be better with one more year of playing college ball…but a few dudes at work suggested otherwise. They watch college ball so i assumed they knew what the hell they were saying…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Are they NBA fans who also watch college or are they primarily college basketball fans?
In my experience, guys who primarily watch college hoops are poor judges of how well college players’ skills will translate to the NBA. Not to mention they generally know nothing about international prospects.
Pat Riley is the devil.
college fans
i told them i cant watch college basketball in general unless im just trying to watch a single player. The game is just so damn sloppy and my favorite thing in the nba is defense, and in college you really get tons of zones, and not enough man defense.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Why the hell would the lakers want him...
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
They could play him at PG alongside Kobe
Kobe’s the Lakers’ primary ballhandler, and in the triangle offense, the PG just passes the ball to the wing and runs to the corner.
Or they could play Kobe at the 3
Pat Riley is the devil.
We have more assets, and more of a need than the Lakers
If they get him, it tells me we could’ve, and that will really piss me off
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 3, 2011 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
Shannon Brown is leaving in free agency and the Lakers need a new backup two.
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Why the hell are people clamoring for a role player so badly? Afflalo isn't our missing piece against Miami
We need at least a Luol Deng level player. Especially if you expect the Bulls to trade the packages people are proposing in this deal, which are very similar to the ones people suggested could get us Carmelo or Howard.
Damn. Afflalo is a good player, but he’s a role player. He’s a Brewer level player who has offense equivalent in level and value to Brewer’s defense. That’s all. Nothing more.
deng is a role player too
shouldve gone for a game changer like melo like i said.
just hoping we dont miss out on howard either.
im really bothered that theres absolutely no talk of us going hard after dwight
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 3, 2011 4:28 AM CST up reply actions
whaddaya mean?
you are the talk of us going after dwight
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by Fukudometer on Dec 3, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
When Howard said he only wanted to play for a place that had warm weather
pretty much killed it
by jayr67 on Dec 3, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
The big baby hates the cold
Wimp
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actually noah's almost a better replacement than bynum in the sense that he's low risk high ceiling
i dont know what else would be in that package though. asik and korver? or just noah and booz? then we’d have to take back turkoglu probly and throw in a pick…
as stupid as this conversation is, I have to admit that Rose/Brewer/Deng/Taj/Howard would be almost impossible to score on
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 3, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think noah has any higher of a ceiling
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 3, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions
not higher, but his knees are good and if he gets back to Nov 2010 form he's an allstar
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 4, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
his knees are good
but he has PF which can be just as much of a problem down the line. bynum at his peak was looking like a legit 20/10 threat that could carry an offense and defense
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 4, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
i'll start talking bout dwight
I like the fact nobody is talking about the Dwight to the bulls…
Last year there wasn’t really much talk about Lebron going to Miami. Bulls and Knicks were getting all the attention. Than out of nowhere, Miami signs all three of them.
Bulls are playing this one on the DOWN LOW…
There is a lot of subtle history that says Howard wants to join the Bulls. The least subtle of them is Howard’s comment on Rose and the Bulls at the end of last year’s season on national tv “What my PARTNER fast don’t lie D-Rose, I love the Bulls its not just one guy playing defense its a team effort”
I’d go as far to say, when he hands the Magic that list of teams, there will only be one team on it, the Bulls, and he’ll say if you can’t make that happen, then come back to me.
by Da Bears2333333 on Dec 4, 2011 12:01 AM CST up reply actions
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