Bulls roster set for start of season: minimum spots, microscopic worry
The release of Keith Bogans was mentioned before the preseason opener, but what wasn't was the nearly simultaneous release of Jannero Pargo, and the report that the Bulls roster will stand at 13 for now.
Lets see if I can do this without looking it up! (man, I hope so*)
Starters:
PG: Rose
SG: Hamilton
SF: Deng
PF: Boozer
C: Noah
Bench:
Guards/Wings: Brewer, Korver, Watson, Butler
Bigs: Gibson, Asik
*(OK, true story: I totally forgot Scal, and thought the Bulls had cut Lucas. Of course, they don't really count...unless you want to get to 13.)
The Bulls are ridiculously deep in the rotation (especially if Jimmy Butler is competent), a trait that will be a huge benefit in this lockout-compressed schedule. But the end of the roster moves are still kind of surprising. Lucas and Scal are coaches/mascots, so the need for an emergency PG and Kurt Thomas replacement is still there...though it looks like the Bulls are content waiting for said emergency.
Joel Przybilla was mentioned by KC Johnson last week, but with the bizarre caveat that the former Blazer wanted to spend the holidays with his family first. That's actually a really enticing name compared to Mike McGraw's suggestion of old standby Chris Richard, who I believe lives in the UC parking garage.
Then there's the question of why bother to release Bogans. He thankfully wouldn't be a starter again, but was probably not a bad value at the near $1.7m he would've been making if his contract was guaranteed. Going by last year's cap, a minimum salary for Bogans this year would be $500k less that, so maybe the Bulls are figuring that there's no reason to pay a dime more than that minimum, risking him being picked up by another team. Weirdly enough, so far Pargo is the one with a contract before Bogans.
I also think there's something to be said for coach-proofing here. If things somehow didn't start off spectacularly for the Bulls this year (crazy to think, I know), there could be cries for going back to what worked. And maybe this is being insane, trying to stop fantastical future non-arguments in my head more than Thibs actually doing it, but I don't mind having Bogans gone simply to avoid that possibility. I mean, we'll get 'do the Bulls miss Bogans and Kurt Thomas being old in the locker room?!?' theories instead, but still.
Also, maybe Bogans isn't as deferential (hyperbolized to being near-braindead at times) as we've been lead to believe, and wouldn't actually be content going from starting 82 games to sitting them.
What does all of this mean, actually? I guess nothing. Ten, maybe eleven, of the guys can actually play, that's better than most rosters. The lack of practice time this season means my usual philosophy of getting young and hungry players makes even less sense than it may have before. This is obviously all very minor in importance compared to the Hamilton acquisition and what that meant.
But I do find it interesting that the Bulls went with the bare minimum roster spots, and do still have some holes if they encounter an injury, and again aren't taking the opportunity to maybe get rights to a prospect in the DLeague. I'll be very interested to see Sham's 2012 figures to see how close the Bulls are hugging that tax line, as they could be really working within tight (though self-imposed) margins all season.
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If Noah or Asik miss significant time due to injury dont panic im sure Gar has a plan
In guessin
Shaq out of retirement would be nice..Overall the roster is set Go Bulls!!
Watch out Miami we coming for you!!!
had heard rumors about Rasheed Wallace this time last year.
But I think we had only $2M in cap room, and he wouldn’t play here for that. Shaq’s now working for TNT.
by walterfan34 on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
had not heard any rumors about a veteran big guy
I don’t like leaving the roster at 13 w/ our front court injuries last year.
In the past I've made the argument that
if the choice is to sign Chris Richards now or sign Chris Richards when an injury occurs, then I prefer the former, as he’ll get oxygen in practice and would possibly be a better defender when he’s actually needed. The extra expense of paying for his food and lodging on the road in addition to his salary is worth it. But this year with so little practice time, just sign the best option when the time comes and whatever happens happens.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 19, 2011 10:31 PM CST up reply actions
he did hustle and was a solid rebounder, if I remember right
and it’s another 6 fouls off the bench, but he doesn’t bring anything to the table on offense though.
by walterfan34 on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Chris Richards or whoever. I don’t think signing somebody to cart around the league really would matter this season.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 19, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
we're talking about spot 14 or 15, a guy who'd probably be DNP-CD most nights
unless there’s foul trouble in a particular game.
by walterfan34 on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Is it safe to assume Hamilton would actually start the season, or would Brewer get the nod
over him. Then later during the season maybe Thibs switches them.
On the J.R. Smith bandwagon until otherwise advised.
read this weekend thibs wants to keep brewer w/ the bench mob
So I guess it is Hamilton at SG.
by walterfan34 on Dec 19, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
where'd you see that?
Link please
Too slow, too jerky, too quirky, too Deng!
by rainman1003 on Dec 19, 2011 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
GET THIS GUY AS THE LAST BIG OFF THE BENCH
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7371073/antonio-mcdyess-set-retire-san-antonio-spurs-waive-veteran
He can shoot the midrange J, still provide good help defense, and would be a tremendous locker room presence.
It’s a Pistons reunion!
Too slow, too jerky, too quirky, too Deng!
by rainman1003 on Dec 19, 2011 11:36 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
He'd be great
But if he wanted to play he’d be in SA.
by Gentleman Jim on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
He is 6'9" 245. Kurt Thomases aren't a dime a dozen.
We need someone who is more Asik’s size to be able to contend.
by Gator_Nation on Dec 20, 2011 2:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wait, if our 3rd string center isn't big enough
We can’t contend?
by tuluse on Dec 20, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yes anything under 7'3 and we might as well call it a season
by MilkThenClear on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
maybe we can lure shawn bradley out of retirement
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
That lineup kicks ass
Seriously. That is a super deep team full of talented players. I’m positive right now. It’s the beginning of the season, and this is so much better than those after Jordan years. I’d be in shock if we weren’t a top 3 seed. I’m positive we will be. That hasn’t been normal since our spoiled period.
It is a fantastic lineup
but you must take into consideration who it must beat, namely Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, Mario Chalmers, Eddy Curry, Shane Battier and the bunch. We must compare ourselves to that standard and ask if we can beat them. I am as I’ve said several times cautiously optimistic that we can, but I think they are the better team. As long as they are the “better team”, Bulls’ fans will never be content.
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
Their best 3 are better than our best three
by Option27 on Dec 20, 2011 2:00 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hope so because I think the Bulls win that
But unfortunately it always comes down to match ups, and the sooner the Bulls can force LeBron off Rose defensively down the stretch in big games, the better. That lineup the Heat can put out there is a match up nightmare for the Bulls.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
The Bulls give the Heat some tough matchups too.
The ECF was closer than the result showed, but the result remains 4-1 Heat. I think we got better this offseason, but so did they. It is a new season so we’ll see how it goes. I do think we match up better with the Heat than any other team in the league right now.
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
no they aren't?
SG, SF, and PF defense are not our weaknesses, so long as Boozer gets to cover a chunkier center rather than Bosh. Boozer-Curry Noah-Bosh makes a lot of sense, and… isn’t really our weakness.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Our weakness is a general lack of perimeter scoring outside of Rose, even with Rip in fold
Miami’s strength is having multiple extremely athletic wings. Without having perimeter threats to keep them occupied, they can play the passing lanes, wreak havoc and get out on transition when they force turnovers.
Our strength is in the half-court game, where our stronger frontcourt can dominate defensively and on the glass.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 20, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah pretty much this.
If the Heat start running off of turnovers it’s a lost cause. They can discombobulate the Bulls offense because of this.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
As soon as LeBron is on Rose
who’s scoring? Battier is a pretty damn good defender and he can shut down Deng. It’s going to depend on Boozer, I think. Wade can do the job on Rip, and Noah’s offense is unpredictable at best. The second best offensive option is going to have to be Boozer and that makes me uneasy.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
i'm not sure derrick is completely neutralized by lebron.
by obnoxious american on Dec 20, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, he'll still draw enough attention from other players to create gaps.
Brewer, Deng and Rip are also ideal for making Battier and Wade have jello legs by the end of the game. I think making Wade work at the defensive end is very important, and our best chance to create offense.
Uhh, I am.
I saw the end of games last year, you want to avoid that as much as possible.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
I still believe people underestimate Rose.
He knows what happened, too. Can you honestly say you think he did nothing to try to improve that particular matchup?
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
Nope I can't
but the purpose isn’t to say that it’s impossible, it’s to say it’s a bad matchup, and your point on Rose proves that point. he needs to improve because it’s not a good draw right now.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
They didn't cover Rose with just Lebron
Lebron was able to slow him enough that throwing in an extra defender was able to neutralize him.
If Wade has to focus on Rip, Rose will have a much easier time.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 20, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
And I feel he has improved.
We’ll see soon enough, I guess
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
Well how about you don't play iso-ball when Lebron guards Rose?
Run a pick and roll for fucks sake.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 20, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
they ran pick and rolls and he was just trapped
the pick and rolls were even worse than the isos
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
They need Korver to not turtle at the end of games
or Rip to get really good from beyond the arc, or for Rose’s three to remain consistent and do something crazy like put Watson at the 1 and have Rose move without the ball and try to get open.
Point is that the Bulls need a high level of execution to beat the Heat because it is a bad matchup for our beloved. Or they need to be creative. It can be done, but it won’t be easy.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
That's because they trapped hard, and Rose wasn't decisive enough in response.
He would usually hold onto the ball too long, and by the time he located and made the correct pass, the defense would’ve already recovered. Hopefully his basketball IQ’s improved as he’s claimed, and he’ll get better in that area.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Their best six:
James, Wade, Bosh, Haslem, and who? I’m not sure of the other two.
Besides Rose, who are the Bulls’ best six? I’m not sure it is clear. One would hope it will be their starting five (presumably Rose, Hamilton, Deng, Boozer, and Noah) plus the first guy off the bench (Brewer?). Sometimes the second unit seems better than the first, although, to be fair, they get to play against the other team’s second unit.
I would say that the Heat’s top four is better than the Bulls’ top four. If Miller ever returned to the form he showed before he came to the Heat, their top five would be better than the Bulls’ top five, but that’s a big “if.” If Battier still has something left in the tank, the Heat’s top six could be better than the Bulls’ top six, but that is also a big “if.” Furthermore, it’s not clear that the Heat will be willing to sit all their nominal centers and point guards in order to play their true top six.
Battier
A much better player than James Jones was last year. He’s a far superior defender that can still make open shots Wade and James will create.
The Heats got better. Their weakest link is still Lebron James. You have to attack his defense.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
good to have you back, looney tunes
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 20, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I know, I know
It’s only the way teams have defeated Lebron James and the not so fantastic other four.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
by attacking Lebron's defense?
are you kidding?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 20, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you misspelled 'offense'
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
and misspelled 'attack'
which is supposed to say ‘guard him with Jason Kidd’
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
their best six is pretty obvious
James-Wade-Bosh-Haslem-Battier-Chalmers. I thought last year Spolestra was doing us a favor every time he had Bibby out there. Beyond that, their best 8 isn’t exactly hard to figure out either – Miller and Anthony. You know, the guys who helped them get to the finals last year.
And the lineup the Heat used against us Miller-Wade-James-Bosh-Haslem proves that they are willing to go big or small or whatever to match up. A lot of this stuff was figured out last year.
Regardless, I don’t think your breakdown is relevant. If you line up the top 4 or 6 guys from Miami and Dallas last year you would be hard pressed to argue before that series Dallas had the best four or six. It really was an 8-9 man effort for Dallas with each guy playing their part (Dirk-Chandler-Marion-Kidd-Terry-JJ-Peja-Stevenson). The Mavs executed better than the Heat. They did a better job on offense and they (and it sounds ridiculous) neutralized the Heat’s big men in a way the Bulls did not.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 20, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I think there's also something to be said
for their Derrick Rose guy to be 7 ft. tall and able to get his shot off over the Heat’s best defender, LeBron James.
It’s no impossible, no. But it is a bad match up.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Oh, I agree its a bad matchup and the Heat are the favorite
I just disagree with Tim S. method of determining who will win.
Its a bad matchup because the Bulls have a hard time matching up with the perimter D of the Heat. To counteract the Bulls need to find a way to score more efficiently on the perimeter and the Bulls inside guys have to outplay the Heat’s inside guys. Its not enough that they play great D, they have to score as well. That is why Boozer has to play well and that is why I share your uneasiness (which you expressed up thread).
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 20, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah it's gonna be a bitch to deal with.
I hope Thibs gets creative with his offensive sets or that Rose transcends space and time and becomes the ultimate basketball player, because relying on Boozer to get big buckets is not going to be fun.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Personally I think the reasoning behind this to to have flexibility to sign players
After a trade. If the bulls were to make a trade before the deadline we would need to replace our depth lost in a trade to acquire better talent. Say If we had to unload for Howard then we would need to replace the pieces we would have to trade for him.
by Gator_Nation on Dec 20, 2011 2:02 AM CST via mobile reply actions
FLEXIBILITY
MUST HAVE MOAR FLEXIBILITY!
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
Maybe, Maybe not. Just depends on if he decides he is definitely leaving
And if he changes his mind about playing in Chicago
by Gator_Nation on Dec 20, 2011 8:40 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I heard via the Dan Patrick Show that someone reported that Howard would be moved to the Nets today.
Don’t ask for a source ‘cause I’ll never find it. I doubt it would happen seeing as the Nets’ best offer is garbage.
"There are two ways to argue with a woman, and neither of them work."
- Carlos Boozer after cancelling an interview with a Sports Illustrated reporter because his wife was expecting him home.
I think we'll sign Przybilla
Yes, after Christmas. He lives in Wisconsin.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2011 9:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm interested in why you think one has to do with the other
kidding, of course. I really am not.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 20, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
JR has a cabin up there?
His secretary? His tailor? His caddy? Pete Myers?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 20, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Makes a lot of sense
Mike McGraw
Ronnie Brewer says Bulls playbook is twice as thick as last year. Give Thibs two months with nothing to do and that’s what happens, I guess.
by Option27 on Dec 20, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
was watching clippers vs lakers preseason last night
convinced vinny del negros playbook is about 3 pages, double spaced.
That clipper team is gonna win games on talent alone, and that high screen and roll vdn has been using since chicago looks genius just because cp3 and griffen/jordan are involved….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 20, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
w/ 2in margins and one of those super big fonts too...
with word art all over that says “THURST”
by MilkThenClear on Dec 20, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's two words
LOB PASS!
The rest is in wingdings.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
3 pages, double spaced, with Courier New font.
VDN has to win some award for falling into talented rosters.
with size 14 font periods
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LOB LOB THRUST
with a picture of Hinrich underneath it
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moar defense
one play involves Asik and Noah combining into a giant defender that allows no dunks
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by ThorCo on Dec 20, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FUSION HA!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I think you're joking
But yes, he did. You think Thibs doesn’t know that his offense needs to be more dynamic? All he does is watch tape, it’s impossible to miss. There were plenty of quotes from him at the end of last year that he wasn’t able to add all of the offensive wrinkles that he’d like, and would be adding them this year.
omgomgomgomgomgo

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I'm imagining Thibs up late at night by himself with nothing on but his boxers creating plays during the lockout.
shouting at a cardboard cuttout of Boozer in his hoarse voice
ROTATE BOOZ ROTATE!!
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by ThorCo on Dec 20, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and then punching the kyle korver cutout.
for stress relief.
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