Rip Reactions: Everything sounds good, but what can we really expect?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2011 10:59 PM CST
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PrintA day after his new teammates praised his impending arrival, Thursday was Rip Hamilton's first practice as a Bull and chance to meet the media (and, ya know, speak to us fans indirectly).
Sporting a freshly-shaved head, Rip said all the right things (even better version here). He was probably lying about some of it, namely his rift with John Kuester last season, but that's all part of his professionalism. Kidding a bit, there, but I am legitimately acknowledging the intangibles-aspect of what Rip can bring that was pointed out throughout the day's coverage: he's a smart player, a tough player, can work the refs, and has experience in not only the playoffs but the Eastern Conference kind.
I was a bit intrigued by a quote that came out during the day suggesting that '25 minutes a game' was the reason for his down season in Detroit, as if it was an implication that minutes was the sole cause of everything that went wrong for him and his team last year. But Sam Smith's context (though the reporter's own, so who knows) makes it seem as he was just referring to the dip in scoring average. However it was meant, the actions of Rip last year when it came to his benching is what is important, and so John Hollinger's suggestion that the Bulls bring him off the bench seems like an unnecessary complication. I begrudgingly get the strategy to stagger your offensive weapons (though having Rip not play with Rose seems like it diminishes both), but despite all that was said today, Rip seems like a guy who is confident in his status in the league, and while we can sit back and remark it's who finishes that counts, coming out with the starters to a poorly-done announcement by Tommy Edwards is important to players, so why even possibly breed discontent if it's all fairly unnecessary?
But that's a minor reason compared to just not making sense to me from a basketball standpoint, as while Rip has a history, it was a rebellion borne of lack of respect and against seeming incompetence. That doesn't appear to be a possible situation in the Bulls case with Tom Thibodeau, and they have such a lack of problems to where even if Rip was not what the locker room was used to, they could handle it. But it will indeed be a different dynamic: at 33, Hamilton is three years older than any Bulls rotation player last year, and that was the deferential-to-a-fault Keith Bogans.
[of even more minor concern, you'd hope, is the annoying headband rule rearing its head (pun-gun!) again, with Hamilton saying he needs it and Gar Forman looking around hoping Paxson happened to overhear the question and jump in. I don't even mind as much the rule still being around as them not even knowing themselves if it is or not.]
And that age of Hamiton is what Hollinger mentioned later as cause for concern, though he hypothesized that Rip likely won't be as bad as the Hollinger-numbers project (a 13.2 PER), as last year's drop in long 2-pt % could be alleviated from the relative lack of defensive attention he'll encounter as a Bull.
Zach Lowe at SI went deeper today in what Rip can do on the floor offensively (defensively the consensus all around is: he's adequate if slipping) in a role that the Bulls could never really find a complete player to take over last season:
So the Bulls have taken a flier on someone who might be able to combine Korver's catch-and-shoot skills with respectable defense, solid passing skills, an off-the-dribble game he can use in a pinch and (against the right opponents) an ability to back up the poor, overworked Luol Deng at small forward.
It is a flier, though. Hamilton shot only 39 percent last season coming off screens, according to Synergy Sports. He was much better as a spot-up shooter, something that might reflect the aging process a bit. And the Bulls actually use the catch-and-shoot game a ton already, mostly because Korver and Deng are both comfortable jetting around picks.
A [different] option exists, but it’s outside of Korver’s skill set: Catch the ball, dribble into the paint and either launch a floater or dish to an open man somewhere else...It’s possible that Hamilton’s off-the-bounce game, if used selectively, could create openings that don’t currently exist in Chicago’s offense.
This is a much better way (f'real, read the whole thing) of what I said last week: while not the proficient and self-reliant shot-creator that may have been more necessary (and I'd quibble with Lowe and say overworking Rose is even more concerning than it is for Deng), Rip is so much more versatile than what the Bulls had on the wings last year that the difference will be apparent.
But ultimately, that's the 'idea' of Rip Hamilton, we've yet to see if the new situation will indeed be all it takes to stave off his decline. He certainly sounds like that'll be the case, which is a good first step.
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Rip Hamilton worth a shot, but Bulls shouldn’t expect too much of an impact - Zach Lowe, SI.com
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Baron, Rip moves: Thumps up/down? - John Hollinger, ESPN.com (insider)
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Hamilton talking the talk - KC Johnson, Chicago Tribune
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Hamilton's 'look' vital to playing his game - Melissa Isaacson, ESPNChicago
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Hamiton: No issues with ex-Pistons coach - Melissa Isaacson, ESPNChicago
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Rip Hamilton is ready to go… far - Sam Smith, Bulls.com
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Bulls welcome new arrival Hamilton with open arms - Aggrey Sam, CSNChicago.com
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Ronald Witt Illinois. This is a good move. You won’t be able to get any of the big free agents so this will work.
Ronad H. Witt
by Ronald H. Witt on Dec 15, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
are you a robot?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I heard he's a great person from Illinois
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 15, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I'm fascinated by so many different aspects of this comment
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 15, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 12 recs
sin. This is a bad comment. You won't be able to get any of the big recs so this wont work.
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 15, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
Guys. I'm so confused.
What… does the H stand for?
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by dantheman3k on Dec 15, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
This whole series of comments has me confused.
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Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
Sorry Rondo. Not buying it. Great Impression though.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 12 recs
so your name is Donald K. Wittman?
Iowa, right?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I might as well tell you.
You misspelled your name on your sig.
by Wake on Dec 16, 2011 4:00 AM CST up reply actions 15 recs
How has no one else noticed this
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im so fucking disappointed that we didnt get jamal instead when he signed at the same price as rip
Should've traded for Melo.
rip's a winner, has big-game experience
by walterfan34 on Dec 15, 2011 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
but he doesn't play D, rip is a better fit for this team
by walterfan34 on Dec 15, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
if by buckets, you mean the twelve piece family pack from KFC, then yes.
Oh, I’m sorry, I was thinking of the other defensively challenged player from the atrocious ’04 Bulls who also signed a one year contract in free agency.
Remember, Isiah wanted both Crawford and Curry for their offense. Look at how that turned out.
Jamal scored 16.9 points/36 minutes last year
Rip scored 18.7 points/36 minutes last year.
On the other hand, Crawford was fucking fantastic during the ‘09-’10 season, but if you look at his career numbers, that season really stands out as an outlier, so I’m not sure if he’ll ever play that well again.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions
but shot creation!!!
(im not very good at looking up stats but id be interested in knowing the % of shots that were assisted vs iso. guessing crawford is much higher)
Should've traded for Melo.
Yeah I'm also sure Crawford's would've been higher
And if you really think we need another ballhandler, than Crawford is definitely the better choice.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
well yeah thats what i feel like is the biggest concern
i feel like we got production out of the 2 guard position by committee but the problem wasnt that we couldnt score from that position. the problem was there was no one else to create his own shot or handle the ball instead of derrick especially in crunch time
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 16, 2011 12:50 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Like I said, Rip can definitely score
He may not dribble the ball for 10 seconds before doing it, but he can score.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
yeah he definitely will help in that aspect
i just feel like we’re going to all get all fucking excited and shit during the season and then ECF comes along and boom 4th quarter nightmares again
Should've traded for Melo.
the biggest problem at the two guard position
was that any of the committee men were lopsided defensively or offensively. Crawford is more of the same. Rip is a lot more balanced.
The only FA that might fit that role is Afflalo, and they were asking too much from our front court depth.
Having Rip establish a balanced tone gives Thibs a lot of leeway strategically to drop Brewer or Korver into the mix depending on the opponent.
that being said, Crawford is way overrrated. I hated watching him in 04 and I’d hate watching him play now. I bet if you were looking at his points, team or individual, versus his personal time of possession, they’d go way down.
Derrick wants to pass!
What the freak is wrong with you?
You act as if Derrick enjoys standing around watching players do things on their own
by Option27 on Dec 16, 2011 12:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why get upset just because someone doesn't have quite the same rosey outlook that you do?
It’s not like someone is saying “the Bulls suck” or “Rose sucks”. This team isn’t perfect. There’s nothing wrong with discussing flaws. Doesn’t mean you’re a bad fan or something.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
I think you meant someone else
because you’ve said the Bulls suck:
Whatever. The Bulls suck.
Hamilton might work out well, but the Bulls still suck. The MVP, huge market, a bunch of trade assets, and they couldn’t wait to get the best bargain on the market. It’s fucking ridiculous. Even if you like the Rip signing, you should still be upset, and very nervous about the future.
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 5:20 PM PST
you’re getting on my nerves and its not even mid-season.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i think he meant in the quoted comment
the bulls front office staff sucks. Not the actual team sucks.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
oh he cleared it up.
but I’m getting fed up with the hard on for spending the full MLE or insisting on S&Ts for what would be 4th options on the offense, the way he throws away counter-arguments because of small petty details, and the consistent exaggerated pessimism in every thread.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Thank you sir. Yes, that's what I meant.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 17, 2011 1:27 AM CST up reply actions
i know he wants to pass
but how many times in the ECF did he pass to deng/korver/brewer etc only to have them dribble dribble and toss it back to him cause they didnt have a look.
he needs a guy who can not only catch and shoot but also create off the dribble. its why miami absolutely locked us down so easily.
we need two guys who can handle the ball and create shots. ex. dirk and terry on dallas.
Should've traded for Melo.
Its the same problem James had in Cleveland.
He would drbble the ball up in the 4th quarter when nobody else could, and it would be 1 v 5.
Lowe mentions Richardson as out of the Bulls price range, but I think he and Crawford were legitimate alternatives
not saying I think they’re better alternatives, but if it’s definitely worth a conversation as we see how Rip’s season goes (as opposed to, say, Afflalo, who didn’t look to be obtainable)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2011 11:21 PM CST up reply actions
which one would you have preferred?
i still think the lack of a guy who can handle the ball and create his own shot is the most alarming issue and rip doesnt solve that
Should've traded for Melo.
yeah, but I'm not sold on Crawford either
I’ll do the safe thing and wait to see if it blows up and then shit on the move.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
For a second there, as I was glancing through the comments
I thought you were making another call for Melo (outside of your sig)
on the sidewalk.
after Thibs kicked him on the curb for not playing defense
by brianm on Dec 16, 2011 4:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rip, big-game experience and just fits better, crawford doesn't play D
I think he would be an ideal 6th man (if that S& T w/ATL happened and he replaced Korver) but Rip is a better fit for the team.
by walterfan34 on Dec 15, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at the whole picture, and what each guy signed for, I don't see why we didn't go at Richardson
I would’ve preferred him for age reasons, and because we’re not too far off from meeting his payment demands anyway.
As for Crawford, I slowly warmed up to Rip, and cooled on him. He would’ve been the ballsier move, to be sure, but I’m cool with going this route.
All in all, hard to complain about this signing. Any complaints would have to be more about learning that the org is still scared of the tax going forward, not that they should’ve spent big right now
(Then again, I’d love to know what’s available to them in trade…)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 15, 2011 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I also think Richardson might've been better
But we would’ve had to give him 4 years as opposed to 2 for Rip, and as easy as it is to say “it’s not my money so who gives a shit”, in the real world, that obviously does matter to Reinsdorf, and I don’t really think Richardson’s so much better than Hamilton that he’s worth an extra $10 million.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
"In the real world" Reinsdorf has been making more money off the Bulls
than just about any franchise in the league for a long ass time. Besides, it’s stupid for a fan to look at these sports transactions through the “real world” prism. I’m not saying spend stupid money just to spend it, but if they think there’s a chance (like I do) that Richardson is the better player (even if it’s not a huge upgrade), spending an extra $10 mil is not a very big deal.
Also, Rip’s getting two years, with an option for a third. Meaning he’ll be taking home more money than the reported $10 mil no matter what happens.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 AM CST up reply actions
I get your point
But at a certain point, the financial cost does become meaningful. Each owner in the league has two goals: to win and to make as much money as possible. Because winning leads to increased profits, those two goals don’t conflict very often, but in a case like this, it might. You could argue that signing Richardson gives the Bulls a slightly better shot at a championship than signing Hamilton, but I think the difference is marginal at best, and I don’t think it’s unjustified to say that that marginal difference is worth an extra $10 million in years 3 and 4 (JR will actually get more than $10 million in those years, but I’m rounding down since he’ll still be at least somewhat useful).
I also think it’s somewhat naive to say that $10 million shouldn’t matter to Reinsdorf because the Bulls have one of the most profitable franchises in the league. Reinsdorf actually isn’t one of the wealthiest owners around. I don’t know how accurate these figures are, but according to them, Reinsdorf’s net worth is about $280 million. Yes that’s an unbelievable amount of money, but it’s not in the same ballpark as, say, Mark Cuban’s $2.3 billion, let alone Paul Allen’s $13.2 billion. $10 million matters a lot more to Reinsdorf than it does to some of these other guys, and completely ignoring that is, like I said, a little naive.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I don't see how I'm being naive at all
No matter how you slice it, an extra $10 mil over a 2 year period is not a huge figure in the grand scheme of things. And it’s especially hard for me to listen to you talk about Reinsdorf’s need to be frugal when he has another professional sports franchise (the White Sox) that operates on a much slimmer profit margin, simply because he wants to win more when it comes to that team.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:53 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I'm sorry, but I think that saying $10 million over 2 years doesn't matter at all is naive
Of course the money matters, at least to some extent. If you want to call Reinsdorf greedy, go ahead, but I don’t think it’s realistic to expect him to be Mark Cuban. As long as he spends money in the next few years on things that are significant (i.e. keeping Taj and Asik), I’ll be happy.
And regarding the White Sox, the luxury tax in baseball is at a much higher level, one that the Sox aren’t even close to. That’s significant.
Pat Riley is the devil.
My point is, that he's still making money
It’s the difference between making money, or making a little less money.
And I’m not asking him to throw the money down the drain, I’m asking him to spend it to make his very good basketball team even better (something that he said he would do). This is presumably (at least in my mind) money well spent.
This is not a situation like the Mets (and the Wilpon family) where you’d be trying to draw blood from a stone. The Bulls have been incredibly profitable for many years.
And let me clarify that maybe they really didn’t view Richardson as an upgrade, then I can understand why they didn’t go that route. In fact, it’s a lot harder for me to make my point when discussing this particular situation. But I’m talking about the bigger picture.
For example, if someone like Andre Igoudala became available. You’re telling me it would be naive on my part to want Reinsdorf to go after a player like that, that could have a dramatic effect on the team’s title aspirations?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 2:37 AM CST up reply actions
No because Iguodala would've been a huge upgrade over Hamilton
What I’m trying to say is that, there does exist a point at which the upgrade is so marginal that it’s not worth the money. Where that point is is hard to say.
With Richardson vs. Hamilton, I think Richardson would’ve been better, but mainly because he’s younger. The difference between the two is so small that I can understand not wanting to commit an extra two years to him.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 2:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that's a valid point
I guess my thing is that, more than most people here, I can envision situations where Richardson IS worth that extra $10 mil. But you’re right, it’s not a clear upgrade by any stretch.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 2:53 AM CST up reply actions
I don't care what Reinsdorf worth is compared to others
That guy got to pocket millions in basically a lost decade for the Bulls because us fans still sold out that arena when Ron Mercer was our best player. Then he gets a lucky ping pong ball and gets Rose. Then we waste 2 years of that with a bad coach that he got on the cheap. So here we are on the doorsteps of a championship, and we’re concerned about an extra 10 mil??
Juice is 100% right. At some point we gotta stop looking at the salary cap as some unmovable object that the organization has to work under. They can go above it and get who they want. If they and all of us think Affalo is the missing piece, then there should be know problem doing what’s necessary to get him or anyone else. I’ll wait and see how Rip works out but it’s no excuse for settling.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i don't either
but reinsdorf is more competent, albeit thrifty than other owners. Look at the Knicks, who spend money like they print it at MSG, their last championship was 1973. I think Jordan spoiled us a little too much, and if it wasn’t for Jerry Krause’s massive ego, we might have snuck in a 7th title in the shortened 1999 season. But this “wasting” of 2 years is a bit ridiculous, players don’t make that “quantum” leap until their 3rd year, and the Bulls put together a roster that nearly took them to the finals in that 3rd year. We are on pace for a championship, and I don’t think having a overpriced Afflalo is going to accelerate that.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
I'd take rip straight up over affalo over the next 2 years on this team.
so hell yeah, pocket the 10 mil and win the championship anyway.
Wouldn't the Bulls max offer be 4 years and 20 million?
While Richardson got 4 years and 25 million? Can we assume that 5 million dollars means nothing to Richardson? If winning was his priority, I doubt he’d sign with an Orlando team that Dwight had already asked to be traded from.
The MLE starts at $5 million but you can add in 10% raises on top of that
So the Bulls could’ve offered something like 4 years $25 million if they wanted to. Orlando probably gave him that contract to match the max he could’ve gotten from another contender.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Plus, he resigned with the magic right around the time that the Hamilton signing broke
which tells me that he very well could’ve been waiting on the Bulls to meet their offer (or come close)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
*err, "re-signed" (right?)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks, i need to look into that
I saw the discussion of Rip went from 2 years 10 million to 3 years 15, and thought he was getting the full MLE. I wonder if the numbers were being rounded, or if he really is getting slightly less than the max that the Bulls could offer.
Okay, I just did the research and the math
According to this:
• 2005 CBA: Five years starting at the average salary ($5.765 million in 2010-11), with 8 percent raises.
• 2011 CBA: For non-taxpaying teams, four years starting at $5 million (base salary grows by 3 percent annually beginning in 2013-14), with 4.5 percent raises.
By my calcuations, that’s 5 million in the first year, followed by $5,225,000, then $5,460,125, then
$5,705,830.625, for a grand total of $21,390,955.625.
*Please correct me if you notice any errors in my math or my reading of the CBA. This answers my previous question about the salary reporting. I would assume that they simply reported Rip’s 10.225 million as 10 million for convenience sake.
So it’s not a 5 million difference, but when you factor in that there’s no income tax in Florida, and Illinois being the only state that double taxes athletes, it’s over a 4 million difference. So I go back to my (modified) original point. Richardson got paid 4 million more than he would have gotten with the Bulls. I don’t think it’s safe to assume that the difference of almost a full year’s salary wasn’t a major factor in his decision making.
by runningman on Dec 16, 2011 5:08 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Circumstantial evidence suggests that you are wrong
- he indicated that he would take less money to join a contender
- the bulls and orlando express mutual interest in one another
- there was some type of negotiation. the bulls refused to offer the full mid level at 4 years.
- Richardson tweets some mumbo jumbo about knowing what you are worth and never settling for less.
- it came out the bulls were going to get Hamilton for the full mid level at 2 years
- hours later we hear Richardson has agreed to resign to the Magic.
From Richardson’s perspective, it isn’t a $4 million difference. Its a $15 million difference. I think the Bulls could have had Richardson if they offered the full mid level. And you’ll never find a smoking gun because the Bulls and Richardson will never say anything (not in the next few weeks anyway). Its not a big deal. Hamilton is solid. I’m not sure who is the better player right now. (although I lean towards Richardson, who was a legit 2nd option on a team that made the conf finals 2 years ago)
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 9:02 AM CST up reply actions
Don't fotget that Orlando can pay 3-4Mil more over the 4 years, even if the Bulls offered a full 4 year MLE.
However, also important are the Florida state income tax versus the Illinois state tax. Likely Richardson gets $7+ mil more over 4 years compard to 4 years with the Bulls had te Bulls offered the full 4 year MLE.
Wold he have taken it, we will never know. Maybe in his autobiography “How I made money and no ring”
If there's anything we've learned over the past few years,
It’s that the NBA contract doesn’t garner a GREAT advantage in states with no income tax.
They get taxed in each state that they play, so don’t bloat his ‘potential earnings’ by citing tax differences.
by kingj41 on Dec 16, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and half his games are played in his home state
How would you like half your state taxes to disappear?
you do realize
they are replaced by taxes from the state he’s visiting?
I didn't forget that
I just don’t think its relevant. The Bulls never offered Richardson 4 years b/c they weren’t going to offer anyone at that level of talent 4 years on a contract. It is keeping with what they’v done with every guy not named Rose-Boozer-Noah and Deng. That is why they were so interested in letting the marke come to them – they had a fixed price and years and they weren’t going to go over it; they were just looking for someone to take it. I don’t know why its so hard to admit the Bulls chose Hamilton over Richardson and NOT that Richardson chose money over the Bulls. More likely than not, it was a shrewd move by the Bulls.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
Or it's a case of them rejecting each other
Both sides got what they wanted. Richardson got more money, and the Bulls got less commitment. It was a negotiation and a failure to agree is never on just one party. If you assume that the disagreement between the two sides was only about money, then you can’t just handwave the extra money Richardson got as being a non-factor. Why would the difference between 15 million and 20 million be vital, but not the difference between 21 million and 25 million? Evidently the Bulls weren’t fixed at only 2 years since they eventually gave a partially guaranteed 3rd one to Rip. If they truly preferred Richardson, you’d have to assume that they’d offer him at least the same deal Rip got. If they didn’t this was not purely a financial move as you imply.
he also mentioned a long term commitment was important to him
I strongly believe it was more about the 4 years than the money.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Good work
I thought it was 10% raises, my bad.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
All the talk sounds good, but it's time to start backing all the talk. Tomorrow.
Fuck the Pacers.
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by Brigade17 on Dec 15, 2011 11:38 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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by T.Moore on Dec 16, 2011 12:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Are some people really arguing this?
It’s so simple. Hamilton misses the ring and is capable of bringing things to this team that no other wing could have last year.
It cost us nothing (assets wise).
Everytime anyone questions this signing, just thing about how much you hated Bogans. Think about all those times you wish Korver had some defense. Think about all the times u wish Brewer had some offense. Think about how we got Hamilton for nothing!
by Option27 on Dec 16, 2011 1:05 AM CST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Right, I think the only reason to question it, is if you think Richardson or Crawford would be better options
(and we also would have given up no assets to get them)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:07 AM CST up reply actions
Crawford can't play shit on D
Richardson’s game is something to be more worried about compared to Hamiltons. Hamilton is in better shape now than Richardson will ever be for te rest of his career.
Get over it people.
Rip is proven.
by Option27 on Dec 16, 2011 1:12 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
And Richardson's not proven?
Not even sure what you mean. So you think there’s no chance that those players will outplay Rip over the life of his contract?
Or is it just that once the a guy signs with the Bulls we can’t question them, or be critical at all?
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:16 AM CST up reply actions
Richardson hasn't done ish. I don't get why you wanna question it
My point being is that Hamilton’s been there, done that. Still has the capability to do most of it.
Why would you even risk it on a guy who’s never proven much. Richardson’s proven to dunk in nice fashion, but that doesn’t get you anywhere. Especially with his game declining at a much faster pace that Hamiltons
Personally, I think you're overvaluing Hamilton, and undervaluing Richardson, and I'm not sure why
Also, what’s wrong with questioning things? Seriously, what the hell are we supposed to talk about on here if we can’t question a signing by the team?
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 1:59 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
yeah and thats the purpose of this site..
to discuss things!!!
I wouldn't call it discussing...
… more like typing in each other’s general direction
by brianm on Dec 16, 2011 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure there were tons of questions last summer about our signings
And we still won 62 games.
In short, this talk is overblown page loads where chest pumping is encouraged. Get over it.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 16, 2011 7:51 AM CST up reply actions
oh you mean beating a dead horse
you’re just looking for someone to agree with you that JR should just spend money for the sake of spending money.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
It's not the questioning part
It’s the people that are saying this isn’t a good signing or the people that are begging for Crawford or Richardson instead.
it is a good signing, and I'm not begging for shit
but I think it’s perfectly legitimate to way the pros/cons of signing Richardson for 4 years $20mil versus Rip at 2-3 years $10-15mil.
Personally, I don’t see a huge difference. I think Richardson was the better player last year (and the numbers back that up) but I’m not sure how he would project on this team in this system. Whereas I think Rip will be at the very least solid in this system.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 16, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
i agree we shouldnt be so down on this signing
but youre making rip sound like some superstar or something.
hes an upgrade from bogans. thats it.
hes not a better shooter than korver and not a better defender than brewer.
and we didnt get him for nothing. it cost 10 MILLION!!! (thats a lot of in JR dollars)
Should've traded for Melo.
if you don't want to argue, we can see you back here at the end of the year
the argument is whether he’s the best acquisition, not that he’s a decent acquisition.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 16, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm all about arguing and discussing.
About things that makes sense. Like how he should start over Brewer.
Like if it’s wise to sit Boozer in the 4th.
Things that are still in question.
Not an obvious upgrade
We're not as dumb as you think and you're not as smart as you think.
It’s widely accepted, save for a few vocal detractors that this is a good signing and will most likely give the Bulls an offensive edge they didn’t have last year. What the fuck is your issue? That we’re not orgasming and starting petitions to build a Gar Forman statue outside the United Center? It’s Rip Hamilton, not Dwyane Wade.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 16, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Ugh
Rip’s best days are well behind him, and even when Detroit was winning he had a bad attitude. He doesn’t realize he’s slipped and could easily disrupt team unity. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see this working out well.
Really?
even when Detroit was winning he had a bad attitude
I’ve never heard about this. Is this the same Rip that was having dinner together every night on the road with Wallace, Wallace, Billups, and Prince?
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by NBA Observer on Dec 16, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rip = stopgap at the 2 until we get eric gordon.
rose + gordon in 2 years = best backcourt in the NBA….wow.
gotta shred some salaries in order to afford gordan in two years...
hes going to get paid at least 10 mill a yr.
trade/amnesty boozer and keep taj on a much lower salary
by shutupdrogba on Dec 16, 2011 3:42 AM CST up reply actions
depends on how boozer plays next two yrs...
but yeah, that could work if turns out to a big bust. of course, this is something i hope the bulls never resort to.
Trade Deng
Deng + Noah for S&T Gordon, Ariza and a pick.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 16, 2011 8:02 AM CST up reply actions
Heeeeeeeell no
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by T.Moore on Dec 16, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats an awful trade
You don’t trade an elite sf and an elite center for a talented sg and a decent role player
by MartyMondays on Dec 16, 2011 1:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
We don't have an elite SF or an elite center.
It’s like the new wave of BaB’ers haven’t watched a fucking game of basketball before. Has the word elite lost it’s meaning? Both of them have been in the league for years and haven’t sniffed an ASG. The Bulls have one elite player on this team, and then a nice group of really good ones.
by dakoose on Dec 16, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
What do you mean haven't sniffed?
Had Noah not gotten injured last season he should have been on there. And Deng was def snubbed last year imo.
by BAB-Bass on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Haven't sniffed means haven't sniffed.
Howard and Horford were the 2 best centers in the East last season. Bogut’s probably better too. Noah’s a good player, but he’s not elite, at all. He might be a top shelf defensive center, but he’s not THAT good of a player.
You may think Deng got snubbed, but with Lebron and Pierce playing, Deng won’t go.
Either way, it’s very possible that each of them will end up with an ASG appearance or two, but that doesn’t make them elite, it makes them pretty good NBA players.
What would you classify as elite?
top 5 in the league? then no. However both are pretty easily top 10-top 12 in each of their positions.
Top 5 is a good starting point for elite
the top 33% just doesn’t seem very elite to me.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Elite is top 1-3 @ a position, depending on the amount of talent around the league.
Not top 5, 7 or 10. Elite is a term reserved for the best of the best, and neither Deng or Noah are elite.
Here is my group of Elite players at each position:
PG: Rose, Paul.
-Does anyone else register with those guys? I feel like DWill, Westbrook and the rest are at least a notch below.
SG: Kobe, Wade.
-They’re the two clear cut best at the position.
SF: Lebron, Durant.
-Melo’s probably the next best, but he’s not at their level.
PF: Dirk.
-Nobody else at this spot is as productive and clutch. Amare’s really good but not there yet. Duncan and Garnett are too far beyond their primes. Griffin isn’t there yet.
C: Howard.
-No other big is at his level.
I look at it like this: Who’s head and shoulders above everyone else at their positions? If it’s a close call between one or two guys, than both are elite.
How is Gasol not included?
He led the Lakers to a championship the year before Dirk led Dallas.
Ahh...so you've been duped by the liars claiming he was better than Kobe.
Well…that’s some bullshit.
You don't get to define what elite means for everybody else
I agree that I wouldn’t use that term on Deng and Noah, but I definitely would for guys like Gasol and DWill.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 16, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Definition by Merriam Webster.
b singular or plural in construction : the best of a class <superachievers who dominate the computer elite — Marilyn Chase
Being that the definition is the best of the class, I look at it as what player(s) is at the top of the group where you can clearly say they’re better than everyone else. For some position that group will be one player, others possibly three.
So I see it like this:
Is there a clear drop off from Rose to CP3? Not necessarily, but there’s definitely a drop-off after those two.
Is there a clear drop off from Kobe to Wade? Not necessarily, but there’s definitely a drop-off after those two.
Is there a clear drop off from Lebron to Durant? To some of you, yes, but to me, its not clear. However, there’s definitely a drop-off after those two.
Is there a clear drop off from Dirk to Gasol, and every other power forward? Yup, so Dirk’s the elite PF in the league.
-Same logic for Dwight.
The rest are second, third, fourth, etc tier stars at their positions.
the all star game is subjective.
deng is better than pierce right now.
by obnoxious american on Dec 16, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Deng should have been an all-star and 2nd team all defense
And Bogans should not have received a DPOY vote
If we would of had pierce last season
the 4th quarter woahs wouldnt have been an issue, and we would of been telling heat fans to kiss our ass on the way to the finals.
eh,
pierce had a playoff PER of 17.6 to deng’s 15.4. i don’t know if that makes the difference.
by obnoxious american on Dec 16, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions
Much Easier than that to get Eric Gordon
Just need Asik to perform solidly. Before the draft, send them Asik, Korver, Brewer, Watson, our 1st and the CHAR pick for Gordon and Okafor.
Watson, Korver, and Brewer’s contracts are non guaranteed next season, meaning NO can dump them, or choose to keep for expiring purposes. They get a 3rd first rd pick, and a nice chip for the future. Asik is a nice value as a young, starting C replacing Kaman, especially out West. You take Okafor’s contract off their hands. This upcoming draft is strong at SG and big men.
by Ceasaleo on Dec 16, 2011 4:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Eric Gordon was the center piece of a trade for Chris Paul
and it still took a week to convince the Clippers to do that trade.
You’re wrong if you believe that New Orleans would then give him up for a collection of our bench players, a near 2nd round pick, and a pick that cannot be in the top 8 unless they wait 5 years.
I'd love this
Both are capable of carrying the scoring load and both play d.
by lock'em down on Dec 16, 2011 10:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
what i expect better from the bulls...
is for Noah and Boozer to play better together. One thing I usually see from Boozer is he does better whenever Noah is not playing and vice versa.
Plus, more variety of plays w/ Rose and Boozer. Not having a legit scoring SG was one of the main issues in the playoffs, but I think just have limited amount of plays with Rose and Boozer was one of the main reasons why the heat were able to shut down the bulls.
The Hamilton signing was decent. Im expecting him to put up 14 ppg, but one of the thing i love bot hamilton is that he usually finds a way to wear the defending SG down. That’s going to be crucial esp against SG’s like Wade. Brewer also will def do a good job pissing off SG and SF when hes playing suffocating D. Individually, Hamilton may not be the SG alot of fans were hoping for, but hell be crucial whenever the 2nd string subs in. You got a combo of watson, hamilton, brewer, gibson, and asik…defensively, thats a an awesome unit, but offensively that unit wouldn’t be bad at all. You got hamilton and even gibson who can put up points. Thibs will def have more versatility with the addition of hamilton.
by Geo4MVP on Dec 16, 2011 2:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
another problem i saw with the bulls last yr...
we just had too many one dimensional players…korver, brewer, and yes, our beloved bogans. Jsut replacing bogans with a player who can score and defend gives more options to thibs.
I know some of you guys wanted crawford and I agree, I think the bulls could use another scorer. I would love to have a guy like Ben Gordan available on the trade block and I hope somehow the Pistons can eat up some his contract while we give up some draft picks and Watson.
I thin that's the best argument for Hamilton I've read:
He’s very multi-dimensional, even if none of those dimensions are superb and some of them are declining.
This has me pumped
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and for those of you confused by my post last night, i was saying that NBATV is showing tonight’s pistons/cavs game, i wasn’t talking about a game on being last night. i just have no idea why they would choose one of the worst matchups in the league to show on national TV when there are interesting (aka the bulls) games on. seriously, who the fuck wants to watch this game?
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oops, meant tonight lol
guess that’s what happens when i write the post as i’m rushing out of the house.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Signed up for league pass (international)
The first games shown is on dec 25th.
And for 220 $ I think it really sucks that they don’t show preseason as well…
by BAB-Bass on Dec 16, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i wonder who starts tonight
didn’t we all expect that Bogans was a 1 time thing andbthan it became permanent? This first start could be more significant than we know. If this was a normal preseason I wouldn’t care but since there are only 2 games and a little over a week to the opener I wonder how hard the team will play and how much time Thibs will play his starters.
Also excited to see how Butler plays. I want to see what his game looks like on an NBA court.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions
Someone needs to get in touch with Rip asap
Make sure he knows hat if Thibs sees Brewer in the starting lineup for one minute tonight, that could be it for him for the rest of the year (and I’m only half kidding. I’m seriously worried)
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 9:28 AM CST up reply actions
The team had better play hard.
Anyone who doesn’t play hard for Thibs risks sitting on the bench. It’s the coach’s job to sit players in a preseason game, it’s not the player’s job to play with less effort. Plus, it’s the Pacers. Don’t you think the Bulls will want to slap them down after last year’s playoffs?
I’m eager to see a whole team full of healthy players (although I understand Asik may need more conditioning after recovering from his broken leg).
I’m eager to see what Rose does tonight. Presumably everyone is going to be throwing double teams at him now, so how will he respond?
I’m eager to see Noah clean up on the boards. With a shortened preseason, there should be lots of missed shots to rebound.
Finally, I will be crossing my fingers hoping that no one gets injured.
(cue ominous music)
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Thibs: Ronnie will start at 2 tonight
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 9:49 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
if this means anything at all,
i’d imagine it will be a starter/closer type deal with ronnie starting and hamilton playing the majority of mins and 4th quarters.
by obnoxious american on Dec 16, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
It's irrelevant at this point. If he's not starting by December 25th then Thibs is bringing locker room discord on himself.
Save yourself the hassle and start Rip. It’s a lot easier to bench him if he sucks than to just continually limit his playing time.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 16, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
to be fair
its not like thibs has a REAL history with starting one guy and keeping them starting. Yes he did it last year with bogans, but its possible he had reasons (basketball reasons?) to do so. Or maybe more importantly, hes more willing to change this year. I guess we keep treating thibs rotations like habit, but really, were basing all this on his first year of coaching, its at least possible, that he wises up this year…
or…u know….doesnt….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
I think people have also forgotten/blacked out
how much time Scalabrine was getting at the beginning of last year. Thibs was certainly willing to change that as other people learned his system better.
Rip might not play today.
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Thibodeau said Ronnie Brewer starts at shooting guard vs. Pacers. Will make determination if Rip plays after shootaround.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 16, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm hardly an expert on the matter
but wouldn’t you think it’d be in Rip’s best interest to see some playing time? Even if it’s just five minutes in each half? Ya know, since we only have 2 preseason games and all
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 16, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
I just assumed Thibs watched every minute of Rip's career this week so he has no need to see him play.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 16, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
I agree on some time
but I don’t see how much an established NBA veteran like Rip will benefit from playing with what will likely be 2nd stringers. If he isn’t starting, I don’t really see the point of just trotting him out there for the sake of hitting a few jumpers, other than to provide fodder for BaB.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
If he wants them to practice their sets
and Rip doesn’t know the sets yet, I can see why he’d be held out. Not only is he not learning, he’s messing up the other people on the floor by being in the wrong place.
Thibs probably believes that his practices are a much better venue for teaching this stuff.
if brewer said he developed a shot
im sure thibs wants to see if hes for real. we already know what rip can do..
had a whole season last year
i know what you mean though, i kinda thought this too.
by obnoxious american on Dec 16, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
It's Rip's introduction tonight
but I bet it’s Jimmy Butler who turns some heads.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 16, 2011 10:40 AM CST reply actions
I really hope so
I have some concerns about how well his game translates to the NBA, but I’m hopeful nonetheless.
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 16, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
At the very least
we get to see him play. I for one am excited about that. I don’t have expectations for him, but you never know.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 16, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
he needs to
to match the Norris Cole buzz
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 16, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
gotta give riles credit
knows how to generate buzz. Cole hasnt played a single minute of nba basketball yet, and already people have touted him to be a legend in the making because he led a scrimmage team to beat the big 3s scrimmage team. Im almost postiive that was the whole point of the televised scrimmage game. Im fairly certain cole is gonna end up being the Heatles version of rondo, an over rated player who gets padded stats by virtue of playing with 3 of the best nba players in the league.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 16, 2011 12:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Norris
I wanted to be the first to say so.
by NerdVernacular on Dec 16, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey now
lets wait until he starts deliberately injuring people. Fuck Rondo should be a hard earned epithet.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 16, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
its not riley, its the heat index
i’m sure its not the first time a bench group has outplayed the starters in practice.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
its possible
the heat players were talking up cole, but it could have just been heat index reporters asking the heatles about cole, and then blowing the answers out of proportion.
In terms of devious strategy though, i could see the heat building up coles rep to the point that players focus more on him than they should, and just on virtue of reputation cole pulls defenses away from the big 3. It also might force guys like Mario Chalmers to play more ‘lights out’ in order to compete with the cole propaganda machine.
I think theres a very ‘riles-esque’ strategy to that, a mental manipulation that riley is known for being a fan of.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I can't remember the context
but they were saying that the Bulls bench wins some of those practice scrimmages.
they had no dunks
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by ThorCo on Dec 16, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i hope Butler turn some heads two,he was working with Rose over the off season.
so i hope he gives a good impression tonight.
I want butler to be a 3 and d guy
but to start out with, i see him as the sf version of taj gibson. Hard hat and lunch pail part dos
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 16, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Quite a limb upon which you've stepped out there.
by jpx7 on Dec 16, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Also, Boozer will be loud and Asik will be tall.
by Tim S. on Dec 16, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i want to be amazed by Deng's fauxhawk.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
I think Rip is going to help this team in a few ways
Everyone’s been focusing on what Rip will bring to the team as a player and it’s understandable. He has a great mid range game, he’s always moving etc. At age 33, he may have lost a step but I don’t think it will hurt him too much. Unlike Bogans, a defense still must account for Rip at all times. That alone makes him worth 2 years 10 mil.
He may not be a leader in a conventional way, but he is a veteran. With the loss of Kurt Thomas, this team needed an older guy. You just can’t undervalue the impact respected veterans have on a team, and especially on young players. Look at the Spurs. They keep producing late first round and second round overachievers because their veteran locker room and savvy coaching staff have mastered a formula for success which the young player quickly buy into.
Rip’s relationship with Deng is intriguing and hopefully will have a positive impact on the court. As everyone is probably aware, Deng’s older brother went to school with Rip and ever since Luol has had a relationship with him. I predict that Deng, barring injury of course, will play some of the best offense of his career this year. It is a widely accepted notion that Deng is at his best when he is slashing. Hopefully practicing with Hamilton, who he has preexisting chemistry with, will improve his game and willingness to move without the ball
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
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#Bulls low on cap room & have to pay 500k Chinese Buyout. RT @TheRealJRSmith Always wanted to wear that black n red wit the #bulls since 23
by occubull on Dec 16, 2011 3:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
500k buyout breaks the bank?!
If he wants to play for us so bad, is there not a reason we can -
1. Use the buyout as leverage to get him to take a slim salary?
2. Use the fact that he wants to be a Bull to have him take a slim salary?
I know we have Rip, and I’m good with that, but… JR…. seems oh so nice.
dot dot dot
by Johannes Factotum on Dec 16, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
hell yes, if was there in the market and the bulls signed rip over him
i would be super pissed.
there's also this tweet from JR:
Clips done coming off the bench! RT @QuanM_11: @TheRealJRSmith would u rather go to the LA Clippers or back to Denver Nuggets
wouldn’t start for us.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I think he means the Clips are no longer an also-ran
so he’s saying they’re better than the nugs, not that he wouldn’t be on their bench.
not what it sounds like to me
and i’m not the only one. someone else tweeted back at him “you wouldn’t start for the clips”
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I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Doesn't sound like that at all to me.
It seems like there should be a comma or a period after the word “Clips.”
yes, if there was a comma I'd be on board with Jaina's interpretation
Then again…nevermind, I have no clue. I shouldn’t have been expecting punctuation on twitter anyway
For the things the Bulls need a SG to do...
JR>Rip.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 16, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
he wouldn't start on the bulls.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
maybe not this year,
but ideally, i don’t know why you wouldn’t.
by obnoxious american on Dec 16, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
i'm gonna go out on a limb
and suggest that there’s a reason he’s never averaged more than 28 minutes a game in his career.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
the buyout has nothing to do with the cap, from what I understand
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 16, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
im suprised
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
to add to that
one of my fav’s JR moments was my 1st time to chi when they played denver. blow out game till the last couple min when he got hot and started draining 3’s from hell. almost thought we’d lose but we ended up wining..so maybe he just loves playing in the UC
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
I was at that one.
crazy fucking game. 130 – 120 maybe?
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 16, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
sum like that...game was nuts
after that saw the MJ statue and waited for a cab like 50 minutes…didnt get robbed tho so it was a great time lol
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
Preseason on NBATV?
Can anyone with access to a TV guide confirm that the game is on NBATV or League Pass free preview tonight?
dot dot dot
by Johannes Factotum on Dec 16, 2011 3:12 PM CST reply actions
NBATV is only showing the fucking pistons/cavs.
DEAR GOD WHY
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Dec 16, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
part of the cba and that oh so beloved idea...'PARITY'
u know, small markets with sucky teams need love too…or something…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
it's seriously one of the worst matchups in the NBA.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
There's a site
It rhymes with worsttoeshorts.tv. You’ll find it.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
Did Keith Bogans get picked up by anyone yet?
That is what is on my mind..
Thibs got his team a chemistry set for Christmas
by livesinnoahsbasement on Dec 16, 2011 3:13 PM CST reply actions
i don't think the bulls have officially let him go, have they?
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Will he get a going away press conference??
Thibs got his team a chemistry set for Christmas
by livesinnoahsbasement on Dec 16, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I would expect that if he wasn't going to be with us, they'd have let him go by now.
So he’d have time to get with another team and get some preseason in. If they haven’t let him go, then maybe it’s a sign that he’s still in the mix as trade bait?
I'm pretty sure it was after Game 5.
dot dot dot
by Johannes Factotum on Dec 16, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
He's gonna host an hour long show to decide where he will go next...
“This fall, I’m gonna take my missed three pointers and stand still offense… to South Beach!”
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 16, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
he will get a montage of him bricking shots
and passing while having open looks for when he returns to the UC in another uniform.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 16, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
They have until the 19th to decide
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 16, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
And his number will be retired on the 20th.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait ... there it is!
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo 1m
Bulls waive guard Keith Bogans.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 3:49 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
bye bogans we'll miss you not.
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
I don't really have any ill will toward him.
He’s not very good, but he was a grinder for the Bulls, a physical presence who could knock down the occasional 3-point shot.
Bogans shouldn’t have started, but that wasn’t his decision.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah i loved the way he bodied people and frustrated the hell out of them, kobe, ray ray, wade.
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
by panduh on Dec 16, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's hard to hate him
His shortcomings were not for lack of effort or bad decision making. He did the best he could with the tools he had.
And his teammates liked him
Ronnie Brewer @RonnieBrewerJr 1m
Just got news of Keith lil bill Bogans gettin waived was a great teammate and pleasure to be around he will be missed this year
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah i mean he seemed like a good dude and everything
whole thing is def about being resentful about his undeserved starting spot. but oh well. i wish the guy well wherever he ends up for sure.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
is there some rule that suggests we cant sign him after waiving him?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
what about ilguaskas two years back? or was that a trade and then resigned back to the team?
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
that was a trade
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
i wouldnt mind if the bulls pulled one of those
give some team john lucas or pargo or something to get bogans back. it would have to be one of those gm favors like “well gar i have no problem with you so ill do this little deal of yours” thing for a minor player. Bogans on the minimum would be awesome to have….
I hated him starting, but his defense and his worth as a team mate were pretty awesome.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Tbh I'm not sure we could even trade for him after waiving him
My gut tells me no.
That was a trade
and they specifically made a rule in the new CBA to prevent that from happening again.
exactly my thoughts I have no ill will at all towards bogans
great teammate(as we can see day in and day out), it’s just that starting spot. oh, well too being too cynical.
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
what the fuck
why can’t we sign him as a backup? he would be a great backup, especially if we need him to play spot defense for a few minutes
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 16, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd like to keep him around, too.
We have lost our two thugs from last year. And you need those.
huh? we resigned scalabrine
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 16, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
i think he was referring to crazy eyes/bigsexy
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
well scal is our biggest thug so not sure where you’re coming from
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 16, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
I guess no one else has kids
Cuz the Lil Bill reference is priceless LMAO
by Ceasaleo on Dec 16, 2011 4:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Next roster steps?
K.C Johnson @KCJHoop 5m
#Bulls GM Gar Forman said yesterday team would stick at 13 players for now. Wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually sign reserve big man.
Doug Thonus @dougthonus 5m
I’m hoping the Bulls pick up Kenyon Martin when he returns from China
A big man is most definitely a must, but why would the Bulls wait on KMart?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
to get him on the cheap? maybe?
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Bah! I didn't mean to strike through that KC tweet!
K.C Johnson @KCJHoop 10m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#Bulls GM Gar Forman said yesterday team would stick at 13 players for now. Wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually sign reserve big man.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
We're at 14 if both John Lucas and Pargo are counted.
After waiving Bogans. Why not waive Pargo or Lucas before your starting 2 form last year?…
scalabrine counts as 3 players
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 16, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
and Mike McGraw tweeted
Chris Richard. So don’t get too excited. The Bulls would go down to 10 players if it was allowed in the CBA.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 16, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
speaking of doug thonus, i just joined the realgm forums for the bulls.
why is it that every bulls blog has so much action? there are like 2x-3x as many posts in the bulls forum than any other team
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 16, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
A lot of out-of-market passion was generated in the 90s.
For instance, I’m a Bulls fan, but I was born and raised in NJ. Nobody in my family followed basketball beyond the exploits of one Larry Joe Bird (cough, racists, cough), so I latched on to Jordan in the Bulls in 89 or 90.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
yea im not sure whats with doug's infatuation with ol' k-mart
hes wondering if hes missing some issue with kenyon, while im wondering if im missing some merit with kenyon. Dude hasnt finished an nba season in forever, hasnt posted a per over 15 since 2006, i cant figure what he brings that is so needed on this team
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
kenyon martin is a good defender
as a 5th big, you won’t ever find a better player (which is why he won’t come to the Bulls, someone will need him more)
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 16, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
No Rip tonight, but the org's cool with the headband.
K.C Johnson @KCJHoop
Rip Hamilton will not play Friday vs. Pacers. When he makes debut on Tuesday, team will let him wear headband to support mask. #Bulls
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 16, 2011 4:33 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
i was looking firward to seeing him play today :\
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Yeah...
He better start on Tuesday too!
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 16, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
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