Bill Simmons on Dwight Howard & the Bulls
On The Ninth Day of NBA Christmas, Bill Simmons looks at the 5 teams most likely to trade for Dwight Howard.
1 through 3 were the teams on the list: Lakers, Mavericks and Nets. Clippers (Team he thinks has the best package available for Howard) came in a 4.
And at 5 . . .
5. Chicago Bulls
And here's why the Dwight Howard era makes me nervous. As I've written before, God doles out the "complete car wash package" to only a handful of athletes. We love the ones who take care of it; we resent the ones who don't. Through seven years, Howard displayed every skill except one: an ongoing thirst to dominate everyone else. Shaq drifted through his career, made excuses, only intermittently stayed in shape and made a point to care about a variety of things — not just basketball — but during the 2000, 2001 and 2002 playoffs, history will show that he annihilated everyone in his path. (Same for Hakeem in the 1994 and 1995 playoffs, Moses in the 1983 playoffs … the list goes on and on.) Dwight hasn't had that moment yet. Never jumped a level when it mattered. Never dragged his teammates to a better place, made them feel invincible, made his opponents say, "Once that guy gets going, we're helpless." If anything, those opponents swung the other way, allowed him to get his stats and concentrated on shutting down everyone else (like Atlanta did last spring).
Quite simply, it's been weird to watch. The numbers say one thing; our eyes say something else. We're watching someone take care of the "complete car wash package," but not totally. And that infamous trade list summed everything up. How could the Chicago Bulls NOT be on it?
How could Howard not be thinking, "Get me to Chicago, I could win right away!"
How could Howard be looking at this NBA landscape without saying, "Maybe it's a good idea for me to team up with Derrick Rose, the 23-year-old MVP?"
How could someone in his camp not point out to him, "Hey Dwight, if you pushed for the Bulls, they could offer Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, Omer Asik, salary-cap filler and two no. 1 picks and take back your deal and Turkoglu's deal, and you'd still have Rose, Carlos Boozer, Rip Hamilton, Kyle Korver, Taj Gibson, whatever veterans they can bring in AND the best defensive coach in the league?"
And if you're picking a cold-weather team based on markets, point guards and branding opportunities, how could you pick Brooklyn (living in the shadow of the Knicks), Deron Williams, this goofy Nets ownership, a lousy supporting cast and a franchise with a sad-sack history over Chicago (the third-biggest market), Rose (better and younger than Williams), a better supporting cast, a shrewd ownership and one of the most rabid fan bases in the league?
Put it this way: If I'm Dwight Howard, I'm thinking about titles and titles only. I don't care about money — that's coming, regardless. I don't care about weather — I have to live in whatever city for only eight months a year, and I'm traveling during that entire time, anyway. I don't care about "building my brand" and all that crap — if I don't start winning titles soon, my brand is going to be "the center who's much better than every other center but can't win a title." I care only about playing in a big city, finding a team that doesn't have to demolish itself to acquire me, finding one All-Star teammate who can make my life a little easier (the Duncan to my Robinson), and winning titles. Not title … titles. I want to come out of this decade with more rings than anyone else. I want to be remembered alongside Shaq, Moses and Hakeem, not Robinson and Ewing.
If you're looking at it like that, Chicago has to be the choice. Two summers ago, I thought LeBron copped out by joining forces with his biggest rival; it just seemed peculiar that the most talented player of his generation, and possibly ever, would willingly become the Robin to someone else's Batman. Howard's trade list was peculiar for a different reason: Either he doesn't follow the league, cares about the wrong things, has the wrong people advising him, or all of the above. Because I can't imagine, for the life of me, why Dwight Howard wouldn't be scheming to become Derrick Rose's teammate right now.
As a basketball fan, I'm disappointed. As a Celtics fan, I'm delighted. Either way, the way he ignored Chicago tells me everything I need to know about Dwight Howard. Wherever he lands, that team will definitely win. I just don't know if it'll win. And neither do you.
I don't quite understand it. It seems as if every time a superstar hits the market, Chicago is the most logical choice. Not just to us fans, but to every critic or pundit. Who advises these people? What kind of era is this? Don't they ever read this kinda shit and think to themselves, "What the fuck am I thinking?"
I'd say let's just wait for the next one, but this might be the last one for a few more years.
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This was so awesome
At least we know we’re not just being complete homers by thinking it. Howard is an idiot for ruling out the Bulls.
I continue to think that there has to be some kind of beef between Howard and Rose. Has to be.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 14, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I never bought any Rose-Howard friendship
Its reported they are friends, but I have never seen it in print (I could have just missed it). He had that weird comment about not running into superman, etc. Maybe Dwight feels threatened by Derrick becoming the face of adidas, that probably would add to whatever ‘beef’ there is.
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and then there were those multiple mid-air bodyslam fouls
that dwight put on derrick a couple years ago. over multiple games, with the second one knocking derrick out of the lineup for a game or two. what the fuck was that all about? and afterward dwight taking the stance of “that’s what he gets for comin’ in my lane.” i’ve disliked howard ever since, and also have a hard time buying any howard-rose buddy buddy stuff.
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by DLRoth on Dec 15, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
BS
Is right. Howard to Bulls makes sense
Unfortunately seems like fans care about titles more then the star players sometimes. Maybe its because players are too close to it all and can not see the bigger picture or are getting bad advice.
His point about the Nets is exactly what I was thinking.
If you’re going to include a cold-weather city on your list (thus belying the whole “I want warm weather” thing), why do you pick the Nets over the Bulls? Here are the reasons I can think of:
(1) He’s got some beef with Rose, as JBJ mentioned. I can’t imagine what it is. Maybe he’s miffed about last year’s MVP vote? How is that Rose’s fault?
(2) He’s prejudiced against the midwest. Although Texas isn’t a huge glamor spot, certainly not more than Chicago.
(3) He’s worried about Bulls’ management/ownership. The Lakers, Mavs, and Nets either have been (or purport to be willing to be) big spenders. The Bulls never have been. Perhaps that’s why he’s not including the Clips either. But that’s a pretty shallow reason. The new CBA is going to severely restrict the ability of any team to spend willy nilly, so there’s no guarantee that the Lakers or Mavs will continue to bleed. (Consider, for instance, the salary-dump moves of Odom, Fernandez, and Brewer just this off-season.) And Dwight: the Magic have thrown tons of money around! That’s one of the reasons the future looks dire there; your current team has nowhere left to go with their money. I’d much rather go to a team that has shown it can be fiscally responsible, especially when that team already has a championship core and a perennial all-star who will still be there after they get you.
Argh. This is starting to make me mad.
It could also be what Simmons and NY Chicago Fan (above) allude to
(4) Howard may not care that much about winning championships. I don’t mean that to come off as a slight toward him at all, but players have different motivations.
I know Dwight says he just wants to win, but his destination choices aren’t exactly consistent with that sentiment – i.e., aging Lakers/Kobe, gutted Nets roster save for DWill, aging/gutted Mavericks roster. Perhaps he wants to go to one of these locations so he can attract another superstar and start winning titles, or like I said, perhaps he just doesn’t care about the titles.
I believe Howard recently explained he was leaving Orlando because he wanted more control in personnel decisions
If that really was the reason he’s demanding to leave the Magic, it would be silly of him to join an org that would likely give him even less control.
He also seems pretty emotionally invested in the whole cold weather thing, so I don’t think that rationally pointing out to him that half his games are played away would get through to him.
I don’t get the Nets, other than maybe he believes the front office is more amenable to spending in general, and to giving more weight to the players he’d prefer to bring in.
There are the guys who get you the need baskets," says Bulls reserve forward Brian Scalabrine, referring to the vital hoops that stop runs and close out games. "I have a different word for killers. I call them mother-------. And right now, Derrick Rose is the baddest mother------ in the league by far. He is the reason we win.
The only thing those 4 teams have in common
that the Bulls don’t, seems to be a history of going deep into the tax (or the potential to do so, with the new ownership in Brooklyn). And as we all know, the Bulls have never paid the tax. Maybe Dwight’s camp equates willingness to pay the tax with success? But I guess Orlando’s been a taxpayer for a while… I dunno
Death by automirotic asphyxiation
The Clippers are one of the 4 teams that have never paid the tax
along with the Bulls, Bobcats and Warriors.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 15, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
my mistake
I should have been clearer, the four teams Dwight said he would sign with:
There are only four teams that Howard would sign a long-term contract with, according to a source close to the situation — the Magic, New Jersey Nets, Dallas Mavericks or Los Angeles Lakers.
Are all tax paying teams.
Death by automirotic asphyxiation
that is interesting, maybe Howard's agent just says 'Bulls won't pay for full extension'
I think they would, but no evidence.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to believe the new CBA
will keep stars in their current cities as promised. Financially, it makes a lot less sense for max players to leave their existing teams in free agency. Before, if a star left, it was only an $8 million loss over a six year period. Now, it’s about $26 million over a five year period. That’s a significant amount of lost leverage, and it may be even worse than that because details are still coming out. I’m willing to submit to the possibility that the old way of thinking, that says “you have to trade stars because they’ll leave you for nothing,” is no longer true. Am I crazy for suggesting that guys like Dwight (and even CP3) would be foolish to leave that much guaranteed money to chase titles that may never happen?
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by chibullsareback on Dec 14, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Can you clarify on thing for me?
How was the difference only $8M over 6 years in previous, but is now $26M over 5. I know the contract lengths are shorter, but what else has changed with the max salary provision?
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 14, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
My mistake
I must have gotten a little over-excited by the lack of movement. The loss used to be $29 million over six years, now it’s $26 million over five years. Not nearly as big a difference. I forgot that free agents could not sign with new teams for that sixth year. Sign-and-trades, though, like LeBron and Bosh had, can now only be for four years maximum. So, it’s not in the financial interest of stars to leave during free agency.
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by chibullsareback on Dec 14, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Also,
sign-and-trades would result in that $26 million less I mentioned. Players involved in sign-and-trades don’t get the initial 7.5% Bird raise. Those guys are stuck with the 4.5%.
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by chibullsareback on Dec 14, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
simmmmoooonnnssssss
love this line:
As a basketball fan, I’m disappointed. As a Celtics fan, I’m delighted.
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
Yeah, he'll enjoy those 30-win seasons with focal point Rondo
Or is this the part where he “remembers” he has Clippers season tickets again just like how he “decided” to give them up once the Garnett/Allen/Pierce trio got going?
Bill Simmons is a turd.
Is Jerry Angelo fired yet?
Listen, this is pretty clear.
Many of today’s stars aren’t as concerned with winning as they tell us they are. This truly is a no-brainer for Dwight if winning rings is what it’s all about; Chicago is the spot. He clearly cares more about other things.
It’s not the weather, as Orlando is by all accounts great in that regard. He likes LA because he’s an attention whore who wants to play in Hollywood. Look at all the histrionics and dancing he does on the court, whether it be pre-game, intra-game or post-game. He clearly wants to be somewhere that is more commensurate with his personality. New York is the same way; he’ll be loved even more than Melo and Amare are out there by those idiot fans.
Chicago’s more laid back and devoted than those towns. It’s not as flashy, not as warm, not as buzzing. It’s fucking awesome and I love it, but for a guy like Dwight, it’s not what he wants. Whatever, let him go out to LA and make his Kazaam-like bust of a film. I don’t even like the guy.
It is a no-brainer...
…which is why the only conclusion anyone can draw from this is that Dwight has no brains.
by Stay Chisel on Dec 14, 2011 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Preach on, Sports Guy!
Simmons is absolutely dead on with this one. From the point of view of winning, Chicago is absolutely the place for him to go. From the point of view of marketing, Chicago is at least as good as anywhere else. (I have spent a lot of time living abroad, and it is hard to overestimate the continued appeal of the Bulls brand all over the world.) From the point of view of not leaving Orlando fans high and dry, Chicago is again very attractive. (If Orlando could get both Bynum and Gasol, they might make out better. Otherwise, however, the Bulls could blow everyone else’s offers out of the water and STILL have an excellent supporting cast for Rose and Howard.) His apparent unwillingness to even consider coming here is revealing of SOMETHING. I don’t know what it is, but I would not call it good judgment.
I've also spent a good chunk of time abroad and...
the Bulls are literally the most popular basketball team in the world. People here are shocked when I tell them that. They always assume the Lakers or Celtics. But, it’s not even close. If he was most concerned with global branding opportunities, the Bulls are such an easy choice.
by rinconen on Dec 14, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
As someone who as lived abroad most his life
(I only grew up in Chicago) I can pretty much concur. It’s not that the Bulls are the MOST popular team brand, but since the MJ dynasty they are just as recognizable as the Lakers and Celtics (forming the big three in the international market). The Bulls brand absolutely blows the Dallas and Nets brand out of the water (not to mention the nothing Magic brand), they’re not even in the same discussion.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 1:53 AM CST up reply actions
I guess the Knicks can be thrown in there
as far as international recognition, but even they aren’t on the Lakers, Bulls, Celtics level. Why? Because they haven’t won shit in like 30 years.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 1:56 AM CST up reply actions
FWIW I live in New York
and I see more Bulls hats on the street than anything else. Definitely more than Knicks or Nets. I haven’t taken a scientific poll, but I’m constantly (pleasantly) surprised at how many people are repping the Bulls in the Big Apple.
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Devil's Advocate....
How is it OK for Howard to become the “Robin to Rose’s Batman” considering Rose is shaping up as Howard’s biggest non-Heat rival in the East and is (and will be for the rest of his career) the main attraction on the Bulls, but it’s not OK for LeBron to join Wade’s Heat?
If Howard wants to be THE GUY, he would get there in Dallas or LAL long-term after making a run with Dirk/Kobe, and he would be in NJ even with Deron Williams. He would not be in Chicago or on the Clippers, the two teams cited by Simmons that make the most sense.
I will never doubt the Chairman again.
Rose doesn't wanna be Batman, he just wants to wee-un
by Option27 on Dec 14, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
But it seems like Wade feels the same way as Rose
although I agree that it’s a pretty stupid reason to pick a team.
I will never doubt the Chairman again.
we sure about that?
Rose is confident in his abilities, maybe that’s part of the reason he doesn’t want to recruit a star, doesn’t feel he needs it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 14, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Because what Simmons was saying without saying
Is that chances are, Howard can’t be Batman but for some reason Howard thinks he is. As a result, he’s not wining a ring in any of those other places. His ego won’t allow him to believe that he needs to play second fiddle to anyone and because of that, he is completely ignoring Chicago.
That’s what people never understood about Pippen’s greatness. Pip is a HOFer in his own right but was willing to be Robin. Some of these dudes like Howard don’t want to be that and some dudes like Lebron want to still be called the King and get the accolades, but not play the Robin role on the court to win a title. That’s why they’re ringless.
Howard is always what I said he was and Bill Simmons agrees. He’s David Robinson. He’s a great player in his own right but doesn’t have the game to elevate his teammates. It’s worst because Robinson actually had to go against other great Centers, Howard doesn’t. Howard needs a “Tim Duncan” or Batman to play with in order to get a Championship. That’s Rose and he’s just in denial about it.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 14, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Like he's gonna be Batman on the Lakers?
Puh-leeze. That’s Kobe’s team, and it’s his town. He’d have to win 5 titles there – without Kobe – to even approach Kobe in the eyes of Lakers fans.
"Denard's 2010 was spent redefining what one man can do." - Brian @ mgoblog
I said long-term, after taking a run with Dirk and Kobe
Obviously Kobe would be the top dog while he’s still there, as would Dirk in Dallas.
Similar to how Kobe became #1 after having a good run beside Shaq.
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I've been flabbergasted by this the last few days as well
Nice to see an unbiased (regarding the Bulls) national writer come out an say it. It’s not at all clear from Howard’s list what his selection criteria are, and how those criteria could be internally consistent while excluding the Bulls.
If winning was truly important, as Bill Simmons writes, the decision is obvious.
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it has to be something about chicago specifically
maybe he doesn’t like playing with rose (for whatever reason), or doesn’t like the city, another player, the org. There is just something wrong with specifically chicago, not a city LIKE chicago.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
Something about Chicago specifically...
The Jordan shadow?
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 14, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions
If "michael jordan used to play there" influences your
decision at all as a player, i do not understand you as a human being.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Dec 14, 2011 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
completely agree
If the “Jordan shadow” was real, then how is Rose there? How is there even a basketball player alive who is willing to play in the same city MJ once played in? If that’s a player’s thought process, that is so pathetic it’s beyond words.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 2:00 AM CST up reply actions
I really don't think thats what any free agent is thinking
that’s something writers think about, and players don’t give a shit about.
"Sportsmanship is just loser talk for losing."
by boyonthedock on Dec 15, 2011 2:10 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think so either
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 2:12 AM CST up reply actions
I would add another reason for why players dont want to play in Chicago.
Maybe just playing with Rose and Thibs is like playing with two geeks who only care about winning and never have any fun.
Actually playing with players who you can have fun with can mean alot to Dwight and thats why he doesnt want to come here. Rose says all he does is work out and watch movies but maybe dwight wants to play with someone who after working out he can hang out with and play video games or go to a bar with.
I actually think this is the most likely answer
The fact is, basketball wise, training wise, daily effort wise, a Thibs led team with a 100% baller like Rose leading it may not be that appealing to some of these dudes. In fact, of all the big names linked to the Bulls over the years, only Kobe has what it takes to deal with playing on a team like the Bulls. I think Howard, much like Melo (maybe Lebron) wants to have fun as much as anything else. I also think that HE thinks he wants to just win, but that’s not likely the reality of it.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 2:06 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently
A zombie ate Dwight’s brains
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
this likely says a lot about me
but when a superstar (or Caron Butler) snubs the Bulls, I think what the Bulls could be doing wrong instead of calling every player some kind of lady-part.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 14, 2011 10:18 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Screw that. Dwight's a uterus head.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 15, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Mulva ... ?
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 15, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Delores!
Jeez, you all could have finished the joke.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 22, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
you're thinking about it backwards
The fact is, the Bulls have established a team identity. Players around the league have gotten the memo; they talk to each other and play against each other. When a guy shuns the Bulls I’m thinking he’s lazy, not into playing defense, practicing hard and is just as much into having fun as winning. That’s basically what he’s saying. When a guy WANTS to play for the Bulls, you already know what he’s all about, because he knows what the Bulls are all about. That’s what Rose means when he says the organization sells itself. The beauty of having a strong team identity is that it automatically weeds out the lazy bums and losers, BEFORE you even have a chance of mistakenly signing one of them. Answer this: do you think Boozer would have come in to camp 20 pounds lighter for any other team in the league?
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 2:19 AM CST up reply actions
obviously this has has its drawbacks
because many players indeed don’t want play on the Bulls. It all depends on what you want: a team that makes lots of splashy but (likely) unwise signings, or a team that makes much fewer, but much more (likely) solid signings. As fans we want splash and headlines and excitement, but we want to win more than that, right?
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 2:26 AM CST up reply actions
ok, but
the whiny superstar team beat us in 5 games
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
fuck rondo!
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J.R. said. "As I said before, I believe we will be better than Miami."
by DerMotz on Dec 15, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and they might beat us again
but do you really want a team of whiny superstars?
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
sure.
I just want to wee-un
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 15, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
One other thing that confuses me:
Hasn’t KC reported that Howard has said he won’t (absolutely) sign an extension with Chicago?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Dec 14, 2011 10:54 PM CST reply actions
just not enough clownin' in chicago for these goons. gotta go someplace they can hang out with celebrities and focus on being a douche.
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by MarketMaker on Dec 14, 2011 11:18 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
exactly...
these guys want to have fun as much as they want to win. For Thibs and Rose, only winning is fun.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 15, 2011 2:08 AM CST up reply actions
At least we know we’re not just being complete homers by thinking it. Howard is an idiot for ruling out the Bulls
well we are complete homers but that’s besides the point
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 15, 2011 2:32 AM CST reply actions
i think rose or his camp is behind the scenes telling people he doesnt want someone to come take the team from him
theres no other logical reason why no one wants to ever come play with him..
Should've traded for Melo.
supposedly he did
we’ve never heard anyone putting out loud like wanting LA or Brooklyn or NY
Should've traded for Melo.
Except Kobe
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pre-rose
although dont get me wrong, im not trying to defends sins inane stance on the subject…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
take the team from him?
Not only is that highly unlikely, but do you really think that’s how Rose even thinks about things? Dude didn’t even know if Rip was on the team or not while answering press questions.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
Could Adidas have a clause that lowers his deal if he's on the same team as DRose?
They’d want players on different teams to get better exposure, right? I’m trying to excuse Dwight’s idiot decision, and this is all I can come up with, other than wanting to be the best player on his team.
I think an agent would have to reject any such clause.
If it lowered his client’s on court earning power.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 15, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
but if they did an alley oop they could get together at midcourt and lift their jerseys showing off adidas gear or something
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 15, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think
it comes down to the fact that most NBA stars haven’t mentally evolved past adolescence. They have been coddled, catered to, never challenged and haven’t been required to take responsibility for anything.
What a reasonable adult would want for themself is not what they would want. They probably want some of the same things a 12 year old would want.
Much like a 12 year old wants to be out from under their parents thumb, they want to be free from authority. They want to be in charge. So they want to go to a place where the coach isn’t going to challenge them, where the GM will cater to their whims, where everyone will tell them how wonderful they are, and where nobody will tell them what they can and can’t do. They want flashy and famous. LA has LA and Holywood to offer. Dallas and the Nets have owners that will lavish them with attention and money. New York has New York City.
We don’t have that. We have an owner who has a reputation, fair or not, for frugality. We have an organization that has a reputation, fair or not, for micromanaging (no headbands!). We have a coach that is among, if not the most demanding coaches in the sport. We have a roster full of guys who don’t think they need outside help, and aren’t going to call star players and sell them on the Bulls.
So as much as it sucks that he won’t come here (since we are the best fit, basketball-wise), it’s no surprise. We have an organization for grown-ups. Lebron, Wade, Howard, etc are emotionally-stunted children. If we want them, they either need to grow up or we need to give them the things adolescent-minded people want.
by tomas21 on Dec 16, 2011 4:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i remember being 12 and wanting to win at things.
this doesn’t exonerate howard from being a complete idiot for ruling out the bulls.
by obnoxious american on Dec 17, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know he doesn't have a legitimate reason?
I guess it’s possible he’s an idiot, but there are plenty of reasons he may just not want to make public. Maybe he and Rose don’t get along, maybe he agrees with yfbb and thinks Bulls ownership won’t pay him, maybe he doesn’t like our fans. Or a host of other things that might insult people / get him in trouble, so he just says its the weather and moves on.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 17, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
If his primary goal, as he has stated, is to win a championship, or win multiple championships,
eliminating the Bulls from the list of teams he would play for makes him an idiot at worst, shortsighted at best.
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by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Dec 19, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
We don't need Dwight and never did.
Good luck Dwight…you’re gonna need it to beat the Bulls wherever you go.
Get ready for that 7th banner Chicago...it's '90-'91 all over again!
He wants to be the man.............who doesn't win championships.
He’d rather be Iverson than Scottie.
The funny thing is its common sense
We have the youngest MVP in the league, one of the best coaches, and i dare say the best fans of any sports team. The fact that people don’t want to live in Jordan shadow is ridiculous. Great players have always come behind other great players and they always will. Howard choosing the Nets over us is not only idiotic it also tells me what he really wants. Money and fame. I wouldn’t be surprised if he started acting in a year or so.

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