What about Rudy Fernandez?

and he was a total bust.

I haven’t studied up on the new rule details yet, but having to play these kinds of games to make even a minor move is one of the reasons I’m not so hot on Rip.

I think what it means in practice is the Bulls will be completely out of the market for these sort of low cost pickups, because they’ll be too difficult to do.

he had a pretty crappy nba season, then had a pretty crappy euro tour….he plays in the nba, and then randomly misses home, yet returns to the nba still. Teams that might want him dont have the assets needed to get him (wont give up pics, dont have expirings or players that they dont need) those who dont really need him obviously arent looking.

Theres probably also a group waiting for an inevitable buyout from the mavs and then picking up even cheaper at the minimum or something..

The bulls are in a unique position where obtaining him is at worst neutral, and at best a nice improvement….low risk high reward i think

but his past year or so has been so abysmal, i dont see any team picking him up as a ‘role player’ any team that will want him will want him as a bench guy. He will get opportunities as you said, and i think the bulls as they are, if he plays well, he could easily take minutes from korver or brewer, even rip depending on how they play.

he really only started complaining since last year, and it was more to do with the playing style of blazers and his role on the team. THe blazers werent going to trade him, and they werent going to send him home, and they werent going to adapt to his playing style…..

When the season started he was all gung ho for the team, then the offseason came and once again he wanted out (and cuz of the lockout got his wish) so this idea that rudy is somehow this whiny guy who can be a cancer is over rated in my opinion.

In terms of minutes, first i would remove cj from ever playing sg. Is it possible, sure….but i dont think it should be done when you have better choices.

And thats really what its all about, i think rudy will find playtime more on the basis of what the bulls need in rotations. Rip will obviously start, but when its time for the ‘bench mob’ then i think thibs has a little more leeway. Instead of sending one offensive player (korver) and one defensive player (brewer) thibs can make a better choice. If scoring seems to be needed more than perimeter defense, send korver and rudy in together. If perimeter defense is needed send rudy with brewer. Rudy fernandez may not be a true complete player, but he is better on his feet than Korver, and obviously a better scorer than brewer.

I also am not declaring HE SHOULD be put into games all the time for this reason, but a shortened season that creates more nagging injuries, having another possibly good player is not a bad deal. Say deng gets injured this season, having rudey at that time might be nice. Ditto for when rip goes down (especially since i think you can have rudy run the same plays as designed for rip and do well)

I think with a coach like vdn you sorta feared giving him too many toys, but i think thibs has shown himself to be a smart coach, like a doc rivers, phil jackson, rick carlisle, greg poppovic, i think thibs is a coach who knows not to go overboard with the prospect of toys, and being how he is so defensive minded and already likes korver, i dont think he would sacrifice the sake of the team just to try out a new guy.

So thats my counter argument, i dont think theres much risk involved, not in making an offer, and not in having our offer accepted.

My highest offer to dallas would be Bogans and Pargo with next years 1st round pick. The bulls are gonn have a high draft pick next year likely, and since this year is such a deep draft i wouldnt want to rid this years pick. Next year i think the draft will be weaker, and you might find a much younger high potential guy in the year after (which at that point should be worth the gamble since we would be on the verge of being a veteran team as opposed to a young new team)

Yes he’s made some comments about wanting to go back to Europe, but he’s generally been a pretty decent teammate from what I’ve seen. Reports say he’s always given good effort in both games and practices. I’m just not that concerned about this.

It could even be good to have a healthy competition for playing time. We haven’t seen a situation yet in which Thibs has had to discipline a player for not acquiescing to his demands for constant effort. Having the threat of benching a player in his back-pocket could make that a non-issue.

In any case, if things go South, the Bulls could probably negotiate a buyout for him to go back to Spain pretty easily.

u know…the same way rondo is considered a creator despite his ability to score the ball, rudy can do similar things at the sg position. Hes a good passer, and for a sg, a solid ball handler.

And i agree with your second part, Im not asking for rudy in place of flip, im asking for rudy in place of bogans, pargo, john lucas, and yes, even jimmy butler. Its a one year experiment which really gives us nothing to lose imho.

Since he has room for a couple other guards…