Rip Hamilton 'expected to sign with Bulls' Wednesday after clearing waivers
by Alex Sonty on Dec 12, 2011 1:12 PM CST
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PrintThe Pistons officially waived Richard Hamilton Monday and is expected to clear the obligatory 48-hour waiver period; after which the Bulls are "expected to sign" him for a couple of seasons at the full mid-level exemption level of $5 million per year, K.C. Johnson reports:
The Tribune reported on Sunday night that Hamilton would be waived Monday. Barring an unforeseen claim off waivers, a process that takes 48 hours, the Tribune reported Hamilton will sign a two-year, $10 million deal, likely on Wednesday.
Arron Afflalo's probably staying with the Nuggets; Jason Richardson's staying with the Magic; Jamal Crawford is either going to the Knicks or dollar-chasing to the Timberwolves, who knows; Vince Carter's going to the Mavericks; Grant Hill is staying with the Suns; Nick Young's en route to becoming someone's albatross contract; etc.
So Hamilton's become a logical conclusion.
If you're unsure how excited you should be, yfBB and I wrote posts on this here and here.
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Finally something good
jordan brand gonna have some sick commercials if he can turn into out ray ray
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
by Belize on Dec 12, 2011 1:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
solid...
I love that we’re getting a player who moves well off the ball. Would really like to re-sign Kurt Thomas so he can set some hard screens for Rip to go around. Wade Battier or Lebron are going to have to expend a ton of energy chasing Rip through screens. To echo some previous posters- we didn’t need a guy can create offense and take the ball out of rose’s hands. We need a guy who can play off the ball, hit jumpers off of screens and inside penetration, and who other teams can’t leave open. I think Rip fits this team perfectly.
That being said, why do I still have that gut feeling that something strange is going to happen we won’t wind up with Rip??
Thomas is gone to Portland.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
I thought I read somewhere that its not official...
Can’t remember where I saw it. Said the Knicks were also still involved in talks.
by davebinobino on Dec 12, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Hooray
We’ve replaced our terrible $1M/yr 31 year old should-have-been-a-back up SG with a $5M/yr almost 34 year old decrepit-should-be-a-backup SG.
This is the sort of long-term thinking that’s going to bring us a title!
its only a 2 yr deal tho...prob can drop him after yr 1 if he doesnt do anything
Flexibilty!
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
What's wrong with this signing?
He was productive last season for a defunct team with zero aspirations last season. Statistically, compared to any of the other 2 guards on the market, he grades out as better than damn near all of them. 15.8 PER, playoff pedigree, strong defense and the type of game that’ll make Wade work very hard when we see them in the playoffs. I like this move more than any of the other names I’ve seen out there. Yeah, he won’t light it up from 3pt land, but improvements in that department from Rose and Deng should make up for that. He’s a good player, and I’m fine with this move.
They let the market come to them and got a good player without doing anything drastic.
he grades out as better than damn near all of them.
i can’t stand hamilton. but you’re right. this maybe the best option.
by obnoxious american on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
RIP is a winner and produces points even now at 33. He is in shape and healthy with
Fantastic playoff experience. Even at 27 minutes last year on a crappy, crappy Detroit team he still averaged 14+ points while Bogans, playing with Rose could muster only 6+ points or so for the same time (Bogans averaged 4pts per game in the time he played). That also was RIP’s worst season. RIP is a great improvement.
RIP will be written on Heat’s championship tombstone for the next two seasons my friend.
Meh
Rip is nice, but he doesn’t shoot threes and you have to run him plays to get his shots up. With more talent around him he should be more open to shoot though.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 1:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He shot 40% on catch and shoot situations last season according to Synergy.
And I don’t everyone here turned into Stacey King. It’s ok to run plays for other people.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
Rip doesn't shoot threes?
That was true in 2004. But Rip’s improved his range since then.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is simply illogical thinking
At bare minumum, Rip has shown through the course of his career to be a far better shooter than Bogans. If we look at career numbers Hamilton has posted nearly double Bogan’s PER, and a better TS% on a much, much higher usage.
Even last season, one could argue that Hamilton outperformed Bogans, simply from the standpoint that he was shouldering a much heavier load. Heck, the most surprising stat might be that Hamilton had a lower TOV% despite being a guy handling the ball a ton on a crappy team. Hamilton is not the signing of the year by any stretch, but there is for sure an upgrade there.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
On the contrary, it's the only logical conclusion.
1. Does this signing move the needle toward “Bulls championship” beyond where it was last year? No. I can’t see how it does in a meaningful way. Sure, Rip is demonstrably better than Keith Bogans. However, he’s can be that and still not be enough better to change my expectaction that we’re, overall, not going to get further this year than we got last year.
2. On the other hand, Locking up $10M on an aging player with a reputation for being difficult to deal with doesn’t strike me as a flexibility enhancing move. I agree there were no obvious great choices out there right this minute. So the best solution is to keep the powder dry for when one becomes available. Since we’re going the stop-gap route, I’d like a commitment to the stop-gap not making the possibility of a long-term solution in the future more difficult.
3. He’s no stop-gap if he’s sitting on the bench hurt.
A. He’s 34 years old.
B. He’re’s how many games he’s played in the past five years 75, 72, 67, 46, 55. There’s a pattern there, and it should be a concerning one.
there's some crazy stat out there
like when Bogans makes more than 6 points we didn’t lose a game ( i think )
richard hamilton is a perfect patch to our shooting guard wound, go look at the graph down there v he was the best option on the market that we wouldn’t have to overpay for or kill or team for.
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, injuries are a fair point
But I disagree with your main premise entirely. The Bulls very easily could have won the NBA title last year. Any upgrade, no matter how small does move the Bulls closer to a championship. If after this year the same result or worse is achieved…fine. But, correct me if I am wrong, how many teams have won an NBA championship after winning zero playoff series the previous two seasons? I’d venture few.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
But... they very clearly didn't...
Let’ me put it this way. You could write everything you just said, replacing “Bulls” with “Heat” and it’d be just as true.
And unfortunately, the Bulls lost to the Heat, who lost to the Mavs, and who could have just as easily lost to the Thunder. The Heat went out and got themselves an aging vet to play on the wing too.
I’m not trying to rag on the Bulls or proclaim the Heat the champs or anything, just pointing out that the same case for “improvement” could be made for any of these guys, but for the Bulls, the only improvement that matters is getting better relative to teams that have so far proven better to us.
by Sports2 on Dec 12, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes he could because teams are just about equal
Let’ me put it this way. You could write everything you just said, replacing "Bulls" with "Heat" and it’d be just as true.
I think this move does move the needle closer.
So that’s where you and I differ here. We’re operating with different premises here with regards to Hamilton, and the offseason in general. Besides for Hamilton, there’s the in-house improvement expected of a young team. The Heat’s primary guys are all what they are; there’s not gonna be much change there. The Bulls have a blossoming fourth year player who was the MVP and is coming off an offseason in which he undoubtedly improved his game. Luol Deng has reportedly taken his three point game up another notch. Noah has had another off-season to get stronger and work on his offense. They only had one season under Thibs and he has a full year of experience with which he can enhance his schemes and implement even more stuff on both sides of the court.
Rip didn't cost any current players....
….that’s another point to be made.
OJ Mayo would have cost Brewer, two firsts and a second (Mirotic and Butler) last season. What do you think Memphis wanted this season? Taj, Boozer’s backup? Or Asik, Noah’s backup?
What do you think Affalo would cost the Bulls? Or even Jamal Crawford in a sign-and-trade?
We’ll all throw a big party if Booze and Noah can remain healthy for the entire year. But there is a great deal of utility in signing a solid professional who doesn’t eat away at the Bulls’ front-court depth, at this point.
Sure, Rip Hamilton isn’t Jesus Shuttlesworth, but he didn’t cost the Bulls Taj, Asik, Brewer or any draft picks, either.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Your first point doesn't make any damn sense whatsoever
Does this signing move the needle toward "Bulls championship" beyond where it was last year? No. I can’t see how it does in a meaningful way. Sure, Rip is demonstrably better than Keith Bogans. However, he’s can be that and still not be enough better to change my expectaction that we’re, overall, not going to get further this year than we got last year.
So you’re conceding that Rip is “demonstrably better than Keith Bogans” yet you don’t believe that this move makes us a better team? If you replace a player with someone who’s better than him, you’ve improved. If we go from having a 40% chance at beating Miami to having a 45% chance of beating Miami, that’s a good thing. Just because we’re not the odds-on favorites doesn’t mean the front office didn’t do a good job.
Pat Riley is the devil.
He think that our improvement by getting RIP
does not make up the gap between us and the heat.
that’s all
That doesn't mean that we're not in a better position to win a championship.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Right, we might not be able to get the difference all back at once.
That doesn’t imply that we shouldn’t get back part of it.
If we were the Cavs, getting the difference between the Heat and the Cavs wouldn’t be possible without at least 4 moves. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t try.
I’m not sure that Rip gets us over the top, but definitely improves our chances, and variation is significant especially between such closely matched teams.
Do you assume we will have to beat someone else in the ECF to
win a championship?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not what I'm saying it all.
I’m saying that just because we haven’t closed the gap all the way doesn’t mean we’re not in a better position to beat them.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Aside from Mayo or Afflalo there were zero long-term fits for the Bulls. Every other option was a stop-gap for a few seasons.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
best answer of the group
its not so much that hes good, its probably more that he had agreed to not stay around for a long time. Other guys taking the mle, were probably looking for 4 years (i.e. J-rich) and since no one at that price tag is definetly a homerun or worth it, its better just to grab the best player for the least amount of damage longterm…and thats rip. If he works out, great! If he doesnt, oh well, we still have the roster that won 62 games last season and most of our assets in tack.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
it doesn't seem like the Bulls pursued anything other than a stop gap
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be shocked if they didn't try and test the trade market.
But from the options out there that didn’t necessitate shaking up the roster, there were only stop-gap guys available, and I think they got the best one out there.
This team destroyed the Heat last year in 4-8 games
We are right next them
Except, Rose, Noah, and Deng are getting better every year
exactly and wade isnt getting any younger
the man got injured in the championship series and look what happened to them
not a fan of defense and the best record of the league?
Young team, please keep that in mind
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 12, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
"in" the league
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 12, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
You're dead wrong
When you’ve built a contending team, you try to hold it together for as long as possible. If you continually churn out 55-60 win teams, eventually the ball breaks your way and you win a championship. You don’t rock the boat and gamble on big trades that ultimately don’t make you that much better. The Celtics tried that last year and essentially screwed themselves by moving Perkins.
Pat Riley is the devil.
this really isn't true
If you continually churn out 55-60 win teams, eventually the ball breaks your way and you win a championship.
The league is littered with also-rans from the past: Jazz, Suns, Kings, Knicks, Heat (Hardaway-Mourning), Nets.
And its hard to make the case the Celtics would have won the championship with Perk. All the advanced metrics said they were better w/o him on the floor.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
that isn't to say the Bulls should have made some drastic change
just that churning out 55 win seasons doesn’t mean things will eventually break the right way for you. The Bulls have good reason to keep this core together.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah well sometimes the ball doesn't break your way
And some of those teams you mention weren’t able to sustain their success for more than a couple seasons. It’s also a lot harder to win when you’re going up against historically great Jordan-led Bulls teams. The Heat just don’t compare to that level of dominance.
Pat Riley is the devil.
gotta quibble with the perk thing
is that compared to the shaq lineup? cause that was one of the best 5 man squads on the NBA, but it was still dumb to count on his body holding up
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 12, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Oh and with the Perkins, are you looking at his on/off court data from last year?
Because he only played 12 games with them last year.
Pat Riley is the devil.
well than how can you make the claim that trading him was some big
mistake?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
if he only played 12 games than the team didn't fall apart
because they suddenly lacked his on court presence now did they?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Good the year with Perkins
Bad the year without him
if you say so
the fact they got older and Rondo dislocated his elbow in the playoffs had nothing to do with their decline.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I never said anything like that Mr Strawman
All I said was that the team was worse the year they didn’t have Perkins. Which is evidence it was a bad trade.
Didn’t say it was the only reason, didn’t say it was the main reason.
how is that a strawman? I responded to
what you wrote. How am I suppose to take the statement -
Good the year with Perkins. Bad the year without him
If you don’t want to be misinterpreted, add some depth to your comments.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 6:20 PM CST up reply actions
The O'Neals helped keep them afloat while Perkins was out
But of course they couldn’t stay healthy. By trading Perkins, they went from having a deep frontcourt with multiple solid options to relying on two aging oft-injured bigs at the C position.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't know about that.
Cavs had two seasons of 60 wins and didn’t go as far as when they went to the finals on Lebrons back. I think our team has a better balance, I think tahts the difference.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
We need to get back to running more flex offense
Our offense was best at the beginning of the year before Noah/Boozer got hurt. We need to get back to that execution. Rip can be very effective for us in the flex. He’s just as active on the offensive end as Brewer, if not more so. Brewer is a really good player for the flex offense, as can be seen in his time in Utah, he just doesn’t shoot that often. Rip won’t hesitate to shoot when he’s open. He uses screens effectively, perfect for the baseline screens and cuts that the flex requires. Noah and Boozer run the flex well and both are effective screeners and passers. Really we don’t need a superstar difference maker, we just need to execute better on the offensive end, and Hamilton helps for sure.
I've thought for a while now (okay, since last season) that the Bulls need an offensive guru....
….much like Tommy Thibs was the defensive guru in Boston.
And there’s one guy out there, who I think would fit the bill perfectly: Jerry Sloan.
I wish the Bulls would make a pitch for him to be the Tex Winter of this batch of Bulls. I don’t think there’d be any power struggles with him, as Thibs is obviously calling the shots, and Sloan is done being a head coach after decades in Utah and Deron Williams. It’d allow him to be creative again without the head coach headaches, fill the need to be in the game, and finish up his NBA career on a very positive note (not that he’s the one who has to redeem himself for the DWill fiasco).
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
No.
Unless you are making Jerry Sloan the new head coach, trying to get him to be a coach would be a recipe for disaster. As it was said because in the thread about Sloan being fired, this isn’t football, you don’t need an offensive coordinator.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
Thibs was the defensive coordinator in Boston
Phil did quite well with Tex (offense) and Johnny Bach (defense).
I’m not sure why you think it would be a recipe for disaster. If Sloan wants to be a head coach again, then yes, I agree – I wouldn’t hire him. But if he has no designs on that, why not?
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
It's offensive to Thibs
who just won coach of the year i might add
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
Just like it was offensive to Doc Rivers and Phil Jackson...
…to have specialized assistant coaches?
Thibs won coach of the year? Really? Gosh, I must have missed that news.
I don’t agree. I think it’s one sign of a good manager – that he or she can hire people who are more highly skilled than themselves in certain subjects.
In other words, it would only be offensive if Thibs, or any coach, believes they’re the best at everything, and can’t improve the team’s performance in any way from outside expertise and experience.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
Thibs isn't an offensive nincompoop like VDN
He has an MVP point guard that is nearly unstoppable, they just need to watch tape together and figure out defensive weaknesses in other teams schemes. And who better to do that, then a defensive guru like Thibs. But why would you want Rose sitting down and reading X’s and O’s and having Sloan shout out plays from court-side, its just seems like it would throw a wrench in everything and it would take away from gifts Rose already possesses.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
I understand, Thibs is the best coach ever at everything
Who better to design offensive plays, than a defensive guru? Makes perfect sense.
why would you want Rose sitting down and reading X’s and O’s
Yes, why have Rose study the game, after having someone else take his SATs, spending only one year in college, and having his brain polluted by VDN? He obviously has learned everything he needs to know about the game.
and having Sloan shout out plays from court-side
And where, exactly, did I write anything like that? That’s the dynamic that you imagine. I just think the Bulls need some creative offensive sets that they can instinctively run when they get deep in the playoffs and the Miami Heat are relentlessly double-teaming Rose. How they get there doesn’t really matter to me. I just imagined that Jerry Sloan might be able to help, if he’s done being a head coach.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
terrible
understand that basketball offenses are fundamentally different from football offenses in more than just different sports, so it is unnecessary to have Sloan hired as an offense assistant. And again, unlike football, there aren’t trick plays in basketball, you can beat the bears tampa 2 with short seam passes and an accurate QB, but there are no such plays to run like that in basketball. The only way to beat Miami is to look at ways to mitigate their athletic advantage by either getting better personnel or dissecting tape. And you bet Thibs spent countless hours looking at tape and studying that defense, not making calls to other coaches to ask for special plays to have Rose run.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
terrible yourself
Really, basketball is fundamentally different than football? Wow, thanks! I was about to suggest that the Bulls hire Dave Toub, to improve their free-throw shooting. You saved me from that embarrassment.
So what do the Bulls do after ‘dissecting tape’? They draw up plays, right? And is it possible that they could draw up plays to use against Indiana and NY and Miami? Or do you propose that the plays that work against one team won’t have any effect against another?
Maybe I’m one of the few fans who actually appreciated the triple-post offense, because I was tired of seeing MJ get the crap kicked out of him by the Pistons and Celtics. The Bulls installed an offense that they could run, instinctively, against any opponent at any time.
Of course, the triple-post was counter-intuitive, because the Bulls best probability of scoring on any particular possession was simply to put the ball in MJ’s hands and let him work his magic. But through an 82-game season and difficult playoff series, over many seasons, this would have worn down his body very quickly.
Just as we know today – the Bulls best probability of scoring on any particular journey down the court is to put the ball in Rose’s hands and have him drive to the hoop, to work his magic. But how long will he hold up in such a situation? Therefore, in my humble opinion, it behooves the Bulls to have a set, fluid offense that the can mindlessly run against the likes of Indiana and Boston that involves more players and limits the wear and tear on D Rose, so that he has enough in the tank for games 5,6,7 against Miami.
Maybe Thibs is the guy for this particular task – but in everything that Thibs did so well last season, this seemed to be the biggest gap in the Bulls play. And I don’t think that I’m the only one who thinks this way. If you disagree, so be it. But I don’t think you’re terrible for doing so.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
I see where youre coming from now.
if you’ve seen coach nicks videos, he mentions how he believes Thibs has a two part plan for the Bulls. Part one, in the first season, to establish a defensive identity, then part two, offense, in this season. I think you’ll like what the Bulls are going to do offensively more this season. Especially since I thought one of the simpler things the bulls should do more is Rose/Boozer PnR.
heh, saying football is fundamentally different from basketball was a bit silly.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
I hope that's true
I live in Poland, so I don’t get any local news coverage, and most of the news conferences and such are at odd hours. I have to download most of my games. BlogaBull is my biggest exposure to the Bulls, followed by Uncle Google, since I think ESPN is a bunch of clowns. (I lived in Chicago througout their six championships.)
I’m totally on board with first establishing the defensive identity. But they really have to loosen up and get creative on offense this season, especially with a talent like Rose, and big men who can pass the ball.
I have faith in Thibs, think he’s a certified basketball genius. But we can’t have Rose getting doubled and clobbered like last season. If that means bringing in a genius assistant, then do it – because that’s what Thibs was for years, a genius assistant.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
This should help
Hope this helps
Here is a link I use to follow the bulls since I’m out of market and I can’t get bulls games through cable. Cheers
Link
I really like this idea, been thinking about it myself
I’m not sure Sloan is necessarily the perfect fit, due to his problems last season and his length being a head coach. That’s not to say it wouldn’t work, just that it might be a chemistry risk.
There are a couple other guys I’ve thought about. First, Gary Williams recently retired. He used the flex almost exclusively and quite successfully at Maryland. Yep, he’s a college guy but he’s been around long enough to be helpful at the assistant level. Another guy I was thinking of was Al Skinner, who was fired not too long ago by BC. Again, they’re college guys, but basketball junkies and flex experts who could offer a fresh perspective. Phil Johnson would be perfect, and has tons of NBA experience, but I’m not really sure where he’s at now.
All hail Thor Molecules aka Phantom Raviolis the panty melter aka Galaxy Knuckles aka the Hands of Zeus
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
by Belize on Dec 12, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
That Take Care review was the greatest thing I've ever read
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 12, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
lol..yea man, that guy is hilarity on a trillion
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
bahahaha
I’m pretty sure that son gets up in the morning and plays his harp for his cats n then slides down the muthafuckin bannister in his satin man nightie n has a full glass of breast milk before he goes to the studio n hammers out some pooned out shit like this
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 12, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
if only...
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
hmmm..that means: Noah is Method Man aka Iron Lungs
Rose is the chef aka Raekwon
Thibs is the brains of the operation ..that means he’s RZA
Deng is the genius aka GZA
Boozer has to be cappodonna and of course….
and Bogans was U-God
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
by Belize on Dec 12, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
howd you tie in marvel comics superhero
to rap…?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i majored in wutangology
=p
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
by Belize on Dec 12, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
i take it you've never listed to the Wu
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
how can hip hop be dead when Wu Tang is forever?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
by tyrus4prez on Dec 12, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
this was the greatest thing I've heard in a long, long time.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Dec 12, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
this is true....
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Kurt Thomas = ol' dirty bastard?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
and Jimmy Butler is Shyheim?
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
when your team trades away billups
and then spends all their money on horrible contracts for ben gordon and charlie villanueva, can’t blame him at all lol.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Looks like we're locked in.
dougthonus Doug Thonus
Doubt we see anything other than vet min signings. Rotation is ridiculously deep. RT @richkraetsch: Good good. Any secondary moves?
2 minutes ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 1:39 PM CST reply actions
yeah, couple of vet min signings and i think thats a rap
and then well prob see a deal somewhere in midseason, that is, if the opportunity is worth chasing after.
I'd still like to see another ball handler on the team
Who can bring the ball up the court? Rose, CJ and that’s it
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 12, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see them go after
Antonio Daniels and Matt Barnes. I wonder if they got any camp invites?
barnes is a decent defender too
if bogans isnt bought back, bring in barnes
what more do you want.
you remember the nuggets with iverson and melo? They took turns bringing the ball up and isolating and it looked kind of ugly. One person needs to bring the ball up and thats Rose. Rose just needs to be smarter about trying to run out of a trap and just pass it sooner. I felt that the Bulls needed a scoring threat at the 2 guard, and Hamilton is just that. The problem the Heat’s particular trap versus the traps Rose faced against other teams was their athleticism, not many teams can roll out a guy like Lebron to guard Rose (understatement, yes) and Korver didn’t have the ability to get open with an athletic defender hounding him.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
ill say the only guy who is comparable and on par is J Rich, but he wanted a 4 yr contract
everyone else is subpar compared to Hamilton.
Why I'm not as scared as some may be about him on the Pacers
He misses 3-of-5 shots and they can’t out-rebound the Bulls.
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 12, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
didn't know Rip could shoot FT like that
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
hes a reliable mid-range shooter too
asik can set up some solid screens and he can def take advantage of that to improve those stats
you think the dude having the most immitated free throw routine
is gonna be a sucky ft shooter?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Let's cheer Blogabull up a bit and watch this comparison
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lmfao
come on now, lets go easy on bogans. The man should have been a backup SG, had no business being SG and never bitched or complained about it either. I respect that and I do hope the bulls bring him back as our backup SG.
by Geo4MVP on Dec 12, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
whats there to bitch and complain about?
he was lucky to start
by TRIPPLE OT on Dec 12, 2011 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
well, im saying bogans heard a mouthful from number of people
he knew he had no business starting and was fortunate. The man has thick skin, lol.
Ya
Judging by last year alone, I’d go with Richardson. That said, there is something to be said for Hamilton having the mosts ast/36 and most FTA/36. That shows that he can still create for others and knows how to get to the line. Both good signs. A slight rejuvenation and he could be great on this team.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Hamilton will be a very good fit on this team
if he can make teams pay for putting their 2’s on Rose, he will pay big dividends. I remember him posting Kirk and Ben in the playoffs. Hopefully he still has a lot of that in his game.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
Good point.
I didn’t think about him punishing teams for switching their 2 onto Rose. One would expect his post game to get better with age, so that makes this signing look even better.
right click the pic, then view image
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 12, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
you may?
change that to "you MUST…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Two good stats...
he is the best free throw shooter of the bunch and has the highest ast%. Does anyone know of his ball handling skills? Also, looking at his career stats, I wonder what is up with the erratic three point shooting? Some years he is close to 45% over 120 shots, while two years ago he didn’t even make 30%.
by Dunker Von Smashalot on Dec 13, 2011 1:51 AM CST up reply actions
wtf does that mean?
ESPNChiBulls Nick Friedell
DRose doesn’t want to recruit anybody. Says it’s not in his nature — but that may have to change soon. The org. may ask him to make calls.
Pisshh
This is just Friedell speculating I think.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
doesnt mean shit
only source that i listen to is KC Johnson, thats it.
If he actually had anything to report, he wouldn't be so vague.
An actual report would go like this:
ESPNChiBulls Nick Friedell
DRose doesn’t want to recruit anybody. Says it’s not in his nature — but thatmay have towill change soon. The org.may askis asking him to make calls
Friedell is a joke.
by dakoose on Dec 12, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Gar:
“Rose, we need you to get involved. We need you to pick up this fone and make a call… to Pryzbilla”
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
My favorite thing about Friedell's columns
is his insistence on taking jabs at the baseless assumptions made by Bulls fans. He does this, of course, by making baseless assumptions.
by bryield on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
leave yfbb's best bud alone
but IT IS open season on kc johnson, that backpack wearing neanderthal
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
What is the point of tweeting something like this?
@ESPNChiBulls
If most of the league’s stars recruit players, it would only help Bulls’ cause if Rose picks up phone when situations present themselves.
Good
I love D Rose, and appreciate his personality, and attitude, but if he can help the team (and himself) by making a couple calls, fucking do it.
Btw, I don’t buy that he’s such an introvert that he shouldn’t be expected to do things like this. He seems to handle making commercials, and doing all his Adidas responsibilities just fine
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think it has anything to do with being an introvert.
Here are things DRose cares about, basketball-wise:
1)Playing basketball.
2)Winning championsips.
3)Being the motherfucking best player he can be.
He has ZERO interest in playing the games that those ass-clowns down in Miami played and that Dwight Howard is playing. He doesn’t wanna get on his knees and beg anyone to come down here. He’s got the gene that the stars of the 80’s and 90’s had, and he’s not interested in much else.
by dakoose on Dec 12, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The reason I mentioned the introvert thing was because of that post from last night
Actually, I agree with you, and think it has very little to do with it (or at least SHOULD have very little to do with it)
Also, spare me the “D Rose only cares about winning” stuff. I’m well aware that the kid likes to win. But let’s stop acting like the two things (caring about winning, and recruiting guys) are mutually exclusive
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Fine, he cares about winning the right way, if that means anything.
He’d rather do it with the boys he came up with than sell out and join up with the biggest kids on the school yard. It’s cheesy and not what most people in the league are like, but I like it, a lot. He’s old school and doesn’t like what he’s seen go down in Miami and around the league, with pals hooking up around the league for the easy way out.
I think thats just BS from beat reporters
the way I see it is, the Bulls Org wants its players to stay out of personnel decisions. They aren’t going to let Rose meddle and they aren’t going to make Rose do any recruiting as a trade off. I think its fine that way.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
My introversion point is that recruiting would probably be incredibly awkward for him
Not that it’s beneath him, let alone that it would somehow take energy away from basketball.
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I didn’t think that you meant that it would be beneath him, or take energy away from basketball. I think I git your point.I just disagree that it would be very or awkward, or whatever.
Even though he might be a bit shy, this is a guy that’s been on promotional tours through China, plays in front of sold out arenas on a near nightly basis etc, etc. I highly doubt he would get nervous calling a fellow player and telling him it would be kinda cool if he played with him on the Bulls.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
There's a big difference between what Adidas asks and what teams may ask
And there is a hierarchal element to all of this. If the Bulls management felt that Rose recruiting would better serve them, they’d assign it to him as Adidas does. Adidas tells Rose to let his accessibility, warmth, or whatever be on of the associations consumers forge with the product, but it’s largely the imagery of him as an explosive basketball player.
Recruiting talent isn’t the same as selling to a consumer. The Knicks make no secret of utilizing a social instinct in Amare because he has it, not because he’s their best player. If they’re doing the same with Melo, it’s because Melo has an extraordinary network within the NBA community. It’s a part of why the Knicks targeted those two so hard, so fast; they knew for what they were (in many eyes) overpaying. The Bulls knew that they weren’t drafting a social butterfly and prepared accordingly by having front office people — of whom we likely will never know — on the ground, courting players to meals, night clubs, strip joints, extending invites to fancy-schmancy boat parties, etc.
I didn’t use “awkward” to mean that Rose would be nervous, but that he isn’t equipped, within his personality at this point of his individual place in life and the NBA community, to recruit players better than communications gurus in the front office can. Chances are he’ll never be so socially — a la Kobe Bryant, another notable superstar introvert. Like Bryant, baby steps will be made, but there’s a large “what you see is what you get” aspect to the persuasion talents of people, which are mutually exclusive from other talents.
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I should specify "other talents"
“Other talents” being intra-organizational leadership. It can exist without the more adept levels of adaptability and accessibility associated with talent, employee, or client recruiting.
I don’t wanna overblow the meaning of “taking energy away from” as many do, but in the literal sense, an introvert expends energy performing social tasks and recharges in solitude or circles of family and extremely close friends; whereas extraverts expend energy in solitudes and in those tighter circles, while recharging performing social tasks.
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It can be awkward because it conflicts with your principles.
If your principles include letting people make decisions for themselves, then yeah it would be awkward. If you feel like, “come play with me and we’ll win it all” as a little boastful and presumptuous and you’re a humble-bot, it’ll be awkward as well.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 12, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Well, that's a different argument than it being awkward because he's an introvert
Yours makes a bit more sense imo (although I don’t think I agree with either). Maybe a bit of both
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Rose isn't blind to the real world.
He’s been heavily recruited and understands how it weighs in his decision making and has been entrenched in circles where everyone around him is influenced by it. He displays understanding of this value in his remarks about front office people doing just that.
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Future DRose:
We’d like to offer you four years, but we have luxury tax concerns. Be patient, its a process
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Bosh playing nice
EthanJSkolnick Ethan Skolnick
Chris Bosh: “Nobody’s talking about Chicago either. They probably felt like they should have won it all last year, like like we felt.”
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:02 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
I like it how nobody really talks about the Bulls.
They didn’t last year and they’re still keeping quiet this year.
thats fine, i rather be the underdog
and shock the shit putta everyone by kicking everyones ass!
Didn't know the flopping ostritch could talk
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
by Brigade17 on Dec 12, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
shut the fuck up bosh you ostrich lapdog piece of fucking shit
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2011 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
YEA!!!
HOW DARE YOU….respect us?….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
mocking ≠ respect
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2011 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
words in writing can cover a multitude of intentions
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
BAM
chicagobulls Chicago Bulls
Bulls re-sign forward Brian Scalabrine; Chicago’s roster now stands at 12 players bit.ly/vUhxVa
1 minute ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 2:04 PM CST reply actions 11 recs
I would have preferred something radical for the 12th/13th man
like a high risk/cheap contract player
light em up
Why not pick up Thabeet?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
That’s exactly the idea. Someone everyone else gave up on, what if he just needs
CHEMISTRY
…they can rebuild him…
sha-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta
light em up
by docks on Dec 12, 2011 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
cant teach size
plus he would be an awesome workout buddy for rose to perfect his giant killer
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
when was the last time the bulls had like three 7 footers?
oh that’s right..
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Curry is 7 foot?
Is that 7 feet wide?
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Dec 12, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I was just about to post this…
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2002.html
New signature coming...but its a process.
Never goes away
He reminds me of Ice-T saying “Ya Shoulda Killed me last year”
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
White Mamba says he gave the money back in Italy
He rolls like that.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
ill tone it down this year
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
i would rec this
if I didn’t think that after your quip, you went over to your Hinrich Bulls jersey and explained to it that it was only a joke and that #12 is the only jersey you’d ever wear to the UC.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 10 recs
this deserves it own post lol
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1lVaYcJ5bQ
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2011 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
i really wonder what the point of him is.
by obnoxious american on Dec 12, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Triple threat position on the wing, scores on Joey Dorsey
Thibs: “Run it again!”
by Trey23 on Dec 12, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
CHAMPIONSHIP
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
He maskes the Big Macs that much more delicious!
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 12, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
i don't like rip, but this could work out.
if he can knock down 3s, wear out whoever guards him by running him off screens all day, and get some of the bullshit calls he’s been given in years past, he’ll be a big upgrade from last year’s shooting guards.
Some people get so rich they lose all respect for humanity. That's how rich I want to be.
Yes
Make Dwayne Wade have to run through Deng, Boozer, and Noah screens chasing Rip.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
Dwight wants Chauncey?
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
One of “changes” Dwight Howard wants is signing of Chauncey. If DH12 stays, sources say he’ll urge Billups to spurn Heat and “anchor” Magic
1 minute ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 2:39 PM CST reply actions
Dwight Howard is a teenager
Doesn’t know what the heck he wants.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't care.
I still want him on the Bulls.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Only as long as they aren't loved as much as he is.
by bleigh82 on Dec 12, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Billups is better than Nelson?
I think Nelson’s a damn solid PG. He’s not special, but I’d take him over Chauncey.
he would be more useful as a 6th man.
he is too shoot first IMO. Which is why Turk ballhandling fit well with them before the silly Toronto deal and Sun’s banishment he went through.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, thats true,
but Dwight wants Billups there to anchor the team. How does he do that off of the bench?
oh, I mean Jameer Nelson.
start Billups, and have Nelson as a 6th man/offensive spark. Billups better at the point, and would be a boon to the team.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting.
I dunno, I like Nelson more than Howard, but it could work.
I was speaking more in general, but Billups and Nelson could work together.
Especially since Orlando’s biggest weakness is shot creation on the perimeter.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Is Billups a shot creator?
He’s old and slow, he ain’t blowing or dribbling by anybody.
Maybe I'm just thinking too much of his time in Denver but he can still do damage in the halfcourt.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
He is old and slow
But he’s also as crafty as they come. The man can get to the free throw line.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2011 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
people said the same thing about j kidd..put him on the right team and its irrelevant
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
Chauncey still better than Nelson imo
neither of them can defend much at all at this point. Chauncey the better scorer and equal playmaker in my opinion.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
More...
Zach_LoweSI
Players we know Dwight has asked for, via quotes and/or reports: Stephen Jackson, Monta, Chauncey, Gil.
Maybe Dwight shouldn’t be playing GM, because none of these guys are really ‘game changers.’ However, I suppose having Ellis or S-Jax in the 2009 Finals would’ve been helpful.
by bryield on Dec 12, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow ... uh ....
But he doesn’t want to come to Chicago to play with Rose?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Lol, Dwight's an idiot.
And shouldn’t he already know that Gil has no game left? This aint 2005.
hes like a man-child to me
I really cant take him seriously, lmao
He don't nout no' decent teamates! He just wants to loo-use!
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 12, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
care bout no*
ugh
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 12, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Gil is Gilbert Arenas right?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Naw, Kendall Gill.
He doesn’t think the Orlando half-time announcers do the game analytic justice.
by jpx7 on Dec 12, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He would probably help more than Arenas did.
Gill could probably make Howard feel really good about himself? That’s what this is all about, right?
by cubbybear on Dec 12, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I read somewhere he wanted Iguodala too.
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by macjack09 on Dec 12, 2011 3:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dwight Howard
Is a complete and utter dumbass
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Don't we realize that a rock
or a stump could “let the market come to them”
that’s not what a GM’s job is.
A GM’s job is to make something happen that isn’t obvious to everyone with two eyes and a basketball pulse
like Lebron, Wade, Bosh to Miami
or Garnett and Allen to the Celtics
or Pau to the Lakers
or Kobe originally to Lakers
or Pippen originally to Bulls
BTW, that’s how all those teams won championships, right?
by droselilbro on Dec 12, 2011 3:07 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
"all those teams"
minus a particular one on your list ;)
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Dec 12, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
but.
Miami was mediocre previously.
Boston was a bottom dweller hoping for the lottery #1.
The lakers had just been run over by the suns in the first round.
Again, the lakers were bad.
and pippen cama on a draft day trade.
The Bulls had the best record in the NBA last year. They are not desperate. They have 66 games before they need a diference maker, if at all.
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Dec 12, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Every fortunate GM needs a bad GM
It takes two to tango.
The Lakers got Kobe for Vlade Divac. The Bulls got Pippen for Olden Polynice.
These Bulls got Joakim Noah for Eddy Curry, and Luol Deng for cash.
Your point is valid; your examples are lacking.
LeBron, Wade and Bosh weren’t the result of some great GM – it was collusion by the players for years in advance. And, BTW, that team hasn’t won a championship yet.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
My examples were off the top of my head
and were more about being proactive than being super-savvy….
I really don’t think you can “fool” too many GMs — maybe KAAAHHHNNN - but I do think you can out-hustle or out“player” them.
GarPax is the exact opposite of a “player”…
Mental image of letting the “market come to them”:
Gar with an aphgan, stroking a cat and knitting. Johnny Pax juttjawed but boring as sh*t.
Make something happen—besides excuses!
Oh, Dwight Howard didn’t like the cold weather. Screw that. Sell him, go get him.
Getter done!!
Didn't mean to cross that line out
actually key line of whole post:
you can outhustle or out-player them
dang formatting
Thibs is the man
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
J. Van Gundy, on what Thibodeau learned from being asst on that Knicks’ staff: “Nothing. He’s been one of the best coaches for a long time.”
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 3:29 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
alot of my buddies from houstan say he did an awesome job the defense
they really disliked van gundy, but had nothing bad to say bout thibs. The man was born to be a coach. Lets hope he can succeed as much as Phil Jackson did with the bulls :)
Don’t worry people are gonna be calling for Jerry Sloan sometime early this year. Remember, people were already saying we needed to get rid of him 3 weeks after the All-Star break.
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by macjack09 on Dec 12, 2011 3:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think he'll be here a long time
He’s the 5th HC since Phil left after 98, need that stability.
i still hope he calms down a bit, otherwise some players might get fed up with the yelling
but at least hes not like Skiles who goes out of his way to insult his players in front of the media.
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
nah, thibs is usually under control
there is a fine line based on yelling out of necessity
Usually I feel he is yelling to be heard during game
not yelling at the players per se
i duno, there were times where he was really yelling at Korver
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on Dec 12, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
I LOVED his intensity.
Remember when he had players trapping near his sideline and he was like jumping around and yelling as if he was the 3rd defender trapping? That was the day I fell in love with Thibs.
I remember being in the game at the nosebleeds
And I hear Thibs yelling “OMER! OMER ! OMER!” Loud and clear. Just busted out laughing
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
i remember one time i heard him on TV shouting that
my husband looks over from where he was sitting and was like, is that the coach? he sounds like a monster. LOL
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I remember Phil Jackson's comments, telling him to sit down and shut up
and Thibs just saying “I’ll sit down when I have a ring.” or something like that. gotta love Thibs.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Dec 12, 2011 11:25 PM CST up reply actions
sorry for the double post...my browser is really screwed up
gotta switch to firefox.
Not the Heats it seems
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Chauncey Billups has been claimed by an NBA team off amnesty waiver — but it isn’t the Nets, league source tells Y! Sports.
lol does cleveland has capspace?
maybe its a xmas gift of Dan Gilbert for Lebron
Not this time, Pat Riley
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
The Clippers placed a bid on Chauncey Billups, league source tells Y! Sports.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
What the hell is going on with that team?
They already have Mo Williams and Eric Bledsoe at the point. They have Gordon and Foye at the 2. They already have a young guy and a veteran at each of the two backcourt positions, what are they playing at here?
Who gets ready to trade for a premier PG by signing....an old PG?
by dakoose on Dec 12, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
to the hornets? cause then he might retire
anyway i bet you’d have to wait a while. maybe they are restructuring the Paul deal and planning to move Bledsoe and Mo Williams
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 12, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
They can't trade him...
Until July 1, 2012. Probably acquiring depth in the event Bledsoe is acquired the Paul trade and Mo Williams is amnestied.
New signature coming...but its a process.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 12, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Sweet
If he won’t go there, he’s a dumbass. Everyone’s saying he was gonna play for Heat undoubtedly, so this is really great news
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
And the Clips have some talent!
Too bad about the coach, though.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Retire, Chauncey!
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Would Riley take Mo Williams?
johnhollinger John Hollinger
So although it has yet to be announced, it appears almost certain that the Clips amnestied Mo Williams.
1 minute ag
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Mo doesn't want to play with LeBron anymore, maybe he wants revenge
#wishfulthinking
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Where would he go, though?
You don’t mean the Bulls, do you? They’re already loaded in the backcourt, with Rose, Rip, Brewer, CJ and Korver.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, nevermind.
johnhollinger John Hollinger
Mr. Coon has spoken. No amnesty needed by Clippers. Nice pickup. Now can match DeAndre.
53 seconds ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I hate rip when we play against him
he gets calls by just running around, he gets calls by shotfake jump to you move etc
Now that we have him, hopefully he can get us some extra calls and free throws we badly need. And we don’t need new plays for him, Thibs already has one (rayray, korver). Except now, unlike korver, he won’s suck on D (hopefully) and the opposing scrub won’t get free buckets.
Imagine playing Chicago in the 3rd game of a back to back to back then you have to chase Rip, Deng and Korver for 48 minutes
Maybe he wants some payback vs LeBron?
johnhollinger John Hollinger
So although it has yet to be announced, it appears almost certain that the Clips amnestied Mo Williams.
I wouldn't mind him in a Bulls uni
Don’t see that as very realistic though now that we don’t have our MLE.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Rip Hamilton is a smart and appropriate signing who will undoubtedly benefit the team and
simultaneously is a low risk investment. I agree completely with this signing. We can start an SG who can score the ball, create from time to time (19% assist vs Bogans 10.0), play decent defense, and he has a chip on his shoulder from the absolutely crazy chaos of his last team.
It must be noted that this is a man transitioning from what was previously an incredibly cohesive group (Sheed, Wallace, Chancey, Prince). They were so much so that they composed almost the entire second lineup of the allstar team. That was less a set of individual accolades than the league respecting cohesiveness and incredible defense. It was that same cohesiveness that allowed a group of professionals with no business beating the Lakers to beat the Lakers.
He is coming off of his least productive year, but lets not forget the sideshow that was the coaching of the Pistons last year. We’ve all seen how effective Rip can be in a system that promotes unity, which is precisely what he is headed to here. I’d wager that he’ll be demonstrably effective on both sides of the floor and aide us tremendously in our pursuit of a championship.
by Doc Heff on Dec 12, 2011 5:56 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Holy shit, I was just reading Sam Smith's column and he said that Jeff Green turned down a $50 mil deal last year with The Thunder
Is that true? I don’t remember that AT ALL. If so, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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I also don't remember that
he got $9m this year so that’s a start.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 12, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
Ok, so maybe Sam is just confused here
At least the one year $9 mil is somewhat justifiable in terms of what the Celtics are trying to do down the road
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yup
Green wanted $50 million, was never offered:
Jeff Green is looking for a $50 million deal from Oklahoma City, an exorbitant sum if you ask us. In one of his first moves, Thunder GM Sam Presti traded Ray Allen to the Celtics for the draft rights to Green. How’s that worked out for Presti so far?
Yeah, I thought Presti would be too smart for that
That team became a contender the moment that guy walked out the door. A big time case of addition by subtraction
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Odom, VC and now West?
TTwersky Tzvi Twersky
Delonte West has agreed to a one-year deal with the Dallas Mavericks, sources close to the 28-year-old guard say.
What's their plan with Beubois?
He looked like he can really play, but after he came back from his injury, it’s almost like they’re distancing themselves from him.
I wouldn’t mind the Bulls going after him and moving him to the two. I think that would be a better position for him anyway.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 12, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
Apparently Mavs are trying to trade Rudy
Should Bulls go after Rudy one more time?
According to Woj,
Dallas is trying to move Rudy Fernandez and Corey Brewer to create more cap space, league sources tell Y!
by TooMuch2Gain on Dec 12, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Rudy wanted to go back to Spain...
but if he’s available without giving up a lot, why not?
Bogens for Rudy straight up?
Probably not but maybe a pick is thrown into the deal. Dallas could waive Bogans giving them some cap relief to hunt down another center and the Bulls pick up a solid rotation at SG.
by bengaljohnboy on Dec 12, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
otherwise we lose bogans for nothing, heard he was rumored to ATL as part of J. Crawford S&T
Just saw list of interested teams and we’re not among them for Crawford
so why did the Mavericks trade the Nos. 26 and 57 overall picks in the draft to Portland for Rudy Fernandez and Petteri Kopenen?!?
That was just in June ya know…
by bengaljohnboy on Dec 12, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Saving a cool mil on that 26 pick
And all of Rudy’s salary if he stays in spain. Its not like they need rookies hanging around.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 12, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting. Wonder how it would work with Billups and CP3
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Just filed w/@Chris_Broussard: Sources close to talks tell ESPN there is renewed momentum to seal @CP3 trade to Clippers as soon as Tueday
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if i'm Billups, knowing they're likely getting CP3, i'm thrilled
Billups is a PG, but shoots and moves well enough to play the 2. This move allows the Clippers to part with Gordon in a CP3 trade. Paul, Billups, and Griffin is a real nice group to make a playoff run with.
Gordon/Bledsoe/Kaman and Minny #1 for Paul?
Seems like a steep price.
by Dunker Von Smashalot on Dec 13, 2011 1:58 AM CST up reply actions
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