UPDATED -- Mayo trade to Pacers 'close'
by Alex Sonty on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 PM CST
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PrintHoopsworld is reporting the O.J. Mayo trade to the Pacers from the Grizzlies is done "close".
Memphis will receive Josh McRoberts and Brandon Rush. McRoberts became expendable with Indy's acquisition of David West.
The Bulls swept through the Central Division to earn homecourt advantage throughout the playoffs last season. Repeating that feat just could become much tougher.
(h/t: PBT)
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Thibs got his team a chemistry set for Christmas
by livesinnoahsbasement on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
This sucks.
That is all.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
I'm happy McBob is not in our conference anymore
not happy about the Pacers getting better
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 12, 2011 12:41 PM CST reply actions
the pacers are going to be a damn good team
and on another note it sucks that the bulls didn’t make more of an effort because we obviously could have gotten him for taj and korver or something…
they still will suck at rebounding.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
yes they will
so I’m confident we can take them somewhat easily. But don’t tell me that, Hill-Mayo-Granger-West-Hibbert. Isn’t a good starting 5.
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Collison is their PG
But I agree that they are solid with some decent depth. It is going to be tough to match up against Mayo/Granger/West, each of whom has the potential to score 15-18 PPG.
I will never doubt the Chairman again.
yeah, theyll put up points, but give up alot of points on the other hand
b.c of offensive rebounds
yes but what we here have been complaining about is being good
and being good enough to win the title. The additions of West and Mayo makes it so at a minimum they should be getting into the 2nd Round. But are they good enough to beat the Bulls/Knicks/Heat/Celtics? Is spending 20 million on West to go up from 8th to 5th really worth it?
But, it is a good starting 5.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but for small market teams like the pacers
it’s hard to not be happy with just being competitive
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
true.
they have come a long way from the ugly brawl.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
And another guy who misses a ton of shots is good for Bulls rebounders.
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by Alex Sonty on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pacers just keep finding more ways for me to hate them
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
pacers made a good deal for very cheap
they lose pretty much nothing in this trade. Excellent deal for them.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, I think it's a great move by Indy,
but not so much by the Grizzlies. I think they could’ve made a better deal for Mayo last year, either with the Bulls or some other team.
this was the same trade that was rejected last year
for being filed too late, just past the deadline. except now this time they are also putting brandon rush in the deal.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
They did trade McRoberts for Mayo last year
but the deal was approved by/submitted to the league office by the trade deadline. So, in some ways, the Grizzlies succeeded by waiting it out with Indy and got Rush in return.
But, I still think they mismanaged Mayo while he was there and considerably lessened his trade value last year. If they were planning on jerking around his minutes behind Tony Allen, they should’ve dealt him prior to last season and would’ve gotten (I think) better value in return. So much of the writing was on the wall about Mayo’s future with the team, anyway, after they extended Conley and Gay in the summer/fall of 2010.
It could be a few things
After a pretty decent rookie season, he didn’t exactly make significant progress in his second season. So, there are reasonable questions about motivation, even though he is clearly a talented player.
There were also several reports about rumored conflict between Mayo and Gay, as well as Mayo and Lionel Hollins. Then, after the extensions to Conley and Gay, followed by the ‘scuffle’ with Tony Allen, I think it became clear the Grizzlies did not have Mayo in their long term plans. There was an incident of ‘accidental’ use of a performance enhancing drug sprinkled in there, too.
Guard logjam and salary concerns.
Henry might have more upside in the long run.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
what, all we needed to do was trade a white person? come on grizzlies, we have korver and scal!
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 PM CST reply actions
34-32 Formadible!
They are a fly on a horses ass tomthe Bulls
Umm...I dunno
I think best case scenario yes, they are, but you need to be able to rebound, or you better hit a high percentage of your shots so it doesn’t matter. The Pacers are better, but I dunno how much.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
yeah they're not perfect
but i feel like they put up a better fight than Atlanta in the playoffs last year. They have a fresh year with a new coach and young talent with some solid veterans.
They just seem pretty well rounded
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I keep forgetting the backstory with the Grizzlies owner and why he hates us.
I don’t think it’s a game changer per se, they are a tougher team and it takes a potential asset away from the Bulls, but if I remember correctly, didn’t GarPaxDorf make an offer last year and the Grizzlies owner said something along the lines of “I’ll never deal with Jerry Reinsdorf or the Bulls?”
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
I've never heard why
But I’d bet it’s Krause’s fault
Actually, it's Bartman's fault.
LeBron is an Asshole
Other teams continue to get better while the Bulls sit on their hands.
Getting Rip, but I wish they could have gotten more.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
they could have tried for mayo, easily
im guessing they dont want to part with asik? isnt that what they asked last yr…for asik?
no if I'm right the bulls didn't want to trade either
asik or taj..
which is stupid because taj for mayo is a no brainer
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Especially for the Grizzlies.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
Of course.
People here think Mayo’s some kind of special player. He’s not. He’s a nobody in this league with terrible numbers. At best he’s proven he deserves to be a wing off the bench. I’ll take the defensive frontcourt depth over Mayo any day.
yeah when i said i would do taj for mayo
my coworker who’s a hawks fan was like… no. well. i think he overrates taj but the man had a point. after thinking about it was like well you might be right. it’s true that he really hasn’t shown enough. i think people like the idea of mayo more than what he actually is…
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Exactly.
Additionally, fans are so dead set on getting that “isolation scorer on the wing” that they’ll fall in love with a shitty isolation scorer on the wing, to the point that they’ll:
A)Give up a good, young big off the bench for him and
B)Trade for Mayo instead of just signing a better, more established and more successful player like Hamilton.
because Mayo has the potential
to create his own shot and hamilton does not
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Potential
You know whoe else had potential?. Tyrus Thomas and he’s not here anymore
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
yeah, potential is something you have in high school, maybe college
not when you’re in the NBA for three or four years already.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 12, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Hamilton has never had a problem getting his shot off
His USG is fine and his TS% is better than Mayo’s
I followed him a little in college
He seems like trouble, the Bulls have done a good job of getting guys with good character. This guy always ran around with his posse and seems to always find trouble payoffs in college, fighting with teammates, I’m surprised the Bulls were interested in him. He looked like the next MJ coming out of high school but so far has only shown to be a punk.
yeah it is
i would do that in a heartbeat. shit, oh well, i do hope iggy becomes available.
Dont lose it sin..whatever you do..dont do it bro
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by Belize on Dec 12, 2011 12:58 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Who gives a shit?
Mayo isn’t much of a difference maker at all. I’ll reiterate what I posted yesterday, sub 15 career PER with an awful 12.6 mark last season. I hope Indy enjoys poor-man’s Larry Hughes, late career edition.
by dakoose on Dec 12, 2011 1:02 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
true, but hes a young player and would have looked nice as our 6th man
but ur right, hes not that impressive. Maybe thats why they didnt give up gibson
There are a lot of young players in the league with shitty stats.
They’re called busts. The Bulls are a team on the brink; I’d go with the proven, legitimate player in Hamilton over Mayo.
Then why....
yeah it is
i would do that in a heartbeat. shit, oh well, i do hope iggy becomes available.
by Geo4MVP on Dec 12, 2011 10:59 AM PST
by dakoose on Dec 12, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i should reiterate
he was never my primary target b.c i thought the bulsl would have to give up too much for mayo. I was saying why not just use those players for a player liek iggy. Gibson for Mayo I would do it in a heart beat b/c this offseason b/c the bulls will have to decide to keep either gibson or asik (not both) due to luxury tax reasons. Obviously, I would rather have asik than gibson. However, throughout majority of the offseason I feel the bulls should go for a SG some live Iggy or Kevin Martin if t he opportunity presnets itself.
he's only 24
he would get better especially playing next to rose instead of mike conley
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
i wanted him as our 6th man
and come off the bench to split time with hamilton.
Really?
He was the third or fourth option on that Memphis team and couldn’t produce.
the only reason he's interesting
is because he can create his own shot. it’s a gamble but worst case scenario you have a young not so efficient scorer, instead of a backup pf who you are going to lose anyway.
it could be worse
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Why are you going to lose him anyway? If Boozer has another clunker of a season, whats to stop Jerry from Amnestying him and sliding Taj in there? What about using Taj in a trade for a player that’s actually productive?
That’s a helluva motto to run a team with:
It could be worse.
we have a cheap front office
taj is going to get bigger offers than we will match and you can book it.
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
you still have no answer
to Hamilton not being able to create his own shot by the way.
I like Hamilton but i don’t look past that.
by MartyMondays on Dec 12, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
He can create his own shot, btw.
He’s not great at it, but he has a quick first step and often pulls up for a mid range jumper after he gets one step by a guy. Furthermore, I’d rather have a better player who’s not as isolation-oriented than a lesser player who can get his own shot but isn’t gonna do much on the whole.
I thought the knock on Mayo
was that he turned out to be not as athletic as people thought he was going to be when he was in hs??
Maybe the problem is simply that he came out in the same draft as Rose and Westbrook…and he just looks unathletic when directly compared to those two guys. His ceiling may have been been downgraded from “potential superstar,” but he’s still a pretty good mid-pack guy. Kinda like Rip.
That is a knock on him, at least from me.
When I watch him, I don’t see the combine numbers manifest themselves in his play. It’s like Greg Olsen, who had a strong 40 time yet looks slow out on the field. Sometimes a guy’s athleticism doesn’t cross over into the game.
What’s a good mid-pack guy? Hamilton is and has been the far more productive player, and has been a big-time contributor on fantastic Pistons teams. Mayo hasn’t done that and even though he has time, I don’t think he ever will be the player that Hamilton was. If he works hard enough on his game, he can become the player Hamilton is now, maybe even be a little better.
Most guys who suck at age 24 continue to suck
There’s always the 1 guy out of 10 who’s a late-bloomer, but generally, dramatic improvement by a player in their mid-20s isn’t that common.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
In no world is Mayo plus a minimum salary PF better than Hamilton and Taj combined, which is what the tradeoff would have been.
He kinda looks like Larry too lol
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How long before Kobe pushes for a trade out of LA?
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 1:06 PM CST reply actions
If they traded Odom for nothing
and aren’t willing to give up the pieces to get Howard, he should be mad. It’s not like he has enough years left that he can afford to blow one off.
What would the Bulls have to trade to get Kobe?
Just entertaining a hypothetical.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
i wonder if bogans is going to be resigned
i would hate to see him sign with the heat…
think he's going to atl
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
Michael Heisley's had his panties in a bunch about the Bulls since the Pau Gasol negotiations...
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/03/owner-feels-the-pain-over-deal-too/
Cleveland wanted to build an offer around Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes. Chicago tried to tempt the Grizzlies with Andres Nocioni and Tyrus Thomas. Portland mustered a package of Travis Outlaw and Raef LaFrentz.
“We were worried that the Lakers might do the deal with Chicago,” said Heisley, who had learned the Lakers were talking about sending Brown and Radmanovic to Chicago for Ben Wallace.
That would have taken Brown’s expiring contract off the table; the Grizzlies decided they had to act.
“Otherwise we’d be like Chicago is today,” Heisley said, “and gotten nothing done.”
“When Chicago broke up the Bulls, I was fuming for three days,” he said. “I get it. I understand. And the Bulls still aren’t back.”
But Orlando did OK by tearing things down and starting over; so did Toronto and Portland.
“I’m hoping to catch lightning in a bottle like Portland” Heisley said. “Look where they are now.”
However, Adrian Wojnarowski says that Joakim Noah was also on the table in the deal:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-heisleygasol060308
One source with knowledge of the process said the Bulls had made the most credible offer. For Gasol and Memphis’ Hakim Warrick, the Bulls were willing to part with Andres Nocioni, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Thabo Sefolosha, possibly Adrian Griffin and draft picks.
Of course, Heisley wouldn’t dare admit that Noah was involved in the deal, because then he WOULD look like a total clown.
So he was angry at the Bulls for breaking up the Championship club, and again for offering Noc and Tyrus and draft picks, at least, for Pau Gasol, when he ultimately accepted Kwame, Crittendon and picks. And he praised Portland, Toronto and Orlando for the way they (re)built their clubs.
Fast-forward to last season, when he still wouldn’t accept a trade offer that, on paper, sounds much better than Josh McRoberts and a first-rounder:
But according to multiple league sources, the Bulls aggressively pursued Grizzlies shooting guard O.J. Mayo, offering Ronnie Brewer, two first-round picks and one second-round pick.
Well, what goes around comes around. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the Bulls scored Nikola Mirotic and Jimmy Butler for the picks they offered Memphis. And if they can close the deal on Rip Hamilton, I’d call Rip, Mirotic, Butler and keeping Ronnie Brewer a much better haul than OJ Mayo or Josh McRoberts. Serves him right.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 1:30 PM CST reply actions 14 recs
Heisley is right because he talks
and few owners talk in the league. Reinsdorf is a milford man.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I actually prefer the owners of my favorite teams to speak softly....
…I just wish Reinsdorf and the McCaskeys’ also carried big sticks.
by Sweetness Lives On on Dec 12, 2011 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
He won me over during the playoffs but let's see if he can put up sustained success.
But if the Bulls don’t re-sign both Taj and Asik it’s unforgivable.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 1:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
If the Bulls do re-sign Taj and Asik, lets just start counting down until we all hate them for being overpaid and incomplete players. Are either of these guys really special?
Yes
They’re special backups, and special fill-ins for when the starter gets injured.
Hope OJ
enjoys chasing after Rip all game long. When he’s had enough of that Thibs will sick Brewer on him.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
Oh my god, we didnt get Mayo
Someone check on Option
brewer is a better all around played
will Mayo stay with Indy? NO.
I was on the "Get Mayo" bandwagon
I wouldn’t have given them Taj or Asik, always thought Brewer or Korver and picks. Rip is more of a sure thing, and fits this team right away. Plus, I still hold up hope that Crawford for can be had for Korver and a 1st. And I’d much rather have Crawford than Mayo.
meh
now he really won’t ever develop
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Now it's off again, according to Woj
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Memphis has decided not to trade guard OJ Mayo, according to sources
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