Notes from Bulls Media Day: Rose (again) isn't recruiting players this offseason, and moving on from Keith and Kurt
by Alex Sonty on Dec 11, 2011 10:36 PM CST
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BREAKING: Derrick Rose is an introvert.
Now that that's out of the way, he isn't the strategist or scientist type of introvert, but someone who operates at high levels kinda' being in his own world. Personality traits like Rose's are commonly misunderstood as from narcissistic to insecure, but the reality is that the motive and preference are usually mutually exclusive.
So, it should be of no surprise that -- like the 2010 offseason, when Rose didn't meet with or call LeBron James, Chris Bosh, etc. -- Rose isn't recruiting free agents the Bulls are targeting to add to the roster, he openly admitted at Media Day on Sunday:
"It's just me, man," Rose said. "If it's not coming from the front office, you're not going to hear me saying anything about recruiting anyone. The city speaks for itself, especially for basketball. If you want to come here, opportunity is here. The front office is great. Our fans are the best.
"I wouldn't trade my teammates for anything in the world. Our front office does a great job picking guys with the right attitude. They just want to win."
How you want to react to this is solely up to you, but be mindful of the fact that he's: (a) still only a 23-year-old; (b) has a thick skin, but a degree of introversion that's just his personality and not his fault that it's uncommon for celebrities whom financial powers choose to market; and (c) everyone who has scouted him, drafted him, represented him, and been a fan of him knew exactly who he was -- in this sense -- four years ago. Translation: if anyone has a problem with this, that's their (your) problem, not Rose's.
If you want to solve it, make a time machine and draft Michael Beasley; see how that works out for you.
Other Bulls nuggets from KC on media day:
- Gar Forman pretty much officially saying goodbye to Keith Bogans.
- Rip Hamilton has not been officially waived, and then when he is it's 48 hours until he's cleared. KC is setting odds on a Wednesday signing with the Bulls.
- With Kurt Thomas going to the Blazers, Bulls 'could be contacting' the oft-injured yet often-effective Joel Przybilla.
Other notes from around the league:
- Dwight Howard is expressing bitterness toward Magic management because they weren't able to land enough of the players he requested they target.
- David West signed a two-year deal with the Pacers for $20 million. That's not good news, but it's better than him joining the other team targeting him hard -- the Celtics.
- Not sure if Chauncey Billups is simply being assertive or being a total knucklehead. You be the judge.
- Mike Bibby signed with the Knicks. The terms weren't disclosed. Ho-hum.
- The latest in the Chris Paul saga sees the Clippers in the lead. If so, that will indeed be a better 'basketball reasons' trade for the Hornets, as the Clips have lottery picks and young talent, something the vetoed trade didn't. Chris Paul talk should go here.
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w.e, im over howard trade now
if hes gonan be a bitch bout the places he wants to go to, let him.
with the way our FO works...
they’re probably going to pull a “um… didn’t see that coming” sign and trade or FA pickup in the next few days.
agreed though. if dwight doesn’t want to come to a young, championship caliber team in a great market and great city, something is wrong with him. and the jordan shadow thing is just dumb. he plays a completely different position than jordan and he’s already built himself a reputation.
man, its more bout not being Da Man in chi-town thats preventing him from not coming
i forgot who posted it, but being second fiddle to rose is not in howards plans apparently…
I was the one who said he didn't want to be a sidekick
I truly think he doesn’t want to be considered #2. Chicago will always be Derrick’s City.
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by illwill on Dec 11, 2011 10:56 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
And that type of ego is what holds Lebron back.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Elaborate...
That’s not good news, but it’s better than him joining the other team targeting him hard — the Celtics.
I would think putting him into a prominent role with a conference rival (and tough playoff foe last season) would be worse (for the Bulls) than putting him into a supporting role on an aging conference rival…
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so you're saying
you don’t think the Celtics are better than the Pacers.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions
They may not be...
I am saying its very close…and West will have more of an opportunity to contribute in Indy vs. his potential bench role in Boston (who finished the season 10-10 last season after swapping Perkins for Green). I like the moves Indy is making more than the Celtics signing Chris Wilcox.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions
The Pacers are improving...
But only to the point of relevancy.
And I’ll see your Chris Wilcox and raise you a Brandon Bass. Would you rather have West in Indy with A Corn Hansbrough, Foster and Hibbert; or in Boston with KG, Bass, Wilcox, JON. With Granger and Collison; or with Pierce, Allen, and Rondo.
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Mayo's interesting and West making McRoberts expendable is a threat...
But anything higher than a #7 seed and a competitive 1st round bust-out to the Bulls, Heat, or Celtics is pretty inevitable.
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I can see this Indiana team beating Atlanta and maybe going as long as making the top 5
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
Potential upside in a low margin of error shortened season, I can buy that, I guess
But the Knicks and Sixers have upside, too, and the Hawks’ frontcourt’s no joke. Toss up with those four and the Magic for 4-through-8 is the Pacers’ best hope, as they’re not in a vacuum. D12 may be in Orlando long enough to staple a 4-through-6 spot and we don’t know what they’re getting in return. NYK and PHI likely have a higher downside than Indy.
Translation: the middle of the pack in the East is very crowded and with a shortened offseason, I give more credit to the Knicks, Sixers, and Hawks to have better starts and therefore a bit of a lesser margin of error, if that makes sense, because their cores are intact. Not to mention, the Bucks upside-downside is completely unpredictable. Defense like that can sneak into the top six. (Obviously, offense like that can drop them into fighting for the 8-spot on the fringe for the first 50 games, too, and completely out of it in the end. I’m just sayin’.)
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Relevancy was making the playoffs last year...
The Celtics are on the decline and I do not like their recent acquisitions of Jeff Green, Chris Wilcox and Brandon Bass…if they acquire Dalembert, then I will be somewhat impressed. Otherwise, they are a donut team, with a substantial hole in the middle. Meanwhile, the Pacers are anchored on the inside by Hibbert and West, Granger and Mayo on the wing, with a good young PG.
Along with the Bucks, they are poised to make the biggest gains in the conference, and could easily challenge the aging Celtics and disorganized Hawks for the 4th seed (assuming 1-3 is Bulls, Heat, Knicks).
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I wouldn't say anchored
because I don’t think either of those two, Hibbert or West, are a rebounding threat. Bulls have 2 guys that average 10 boards a piece. Plus Gibson and Asik who also GRAB DAT.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
i dont think the supporting role thing matters
kg is old, and might play some 5, i bet he would have got plenty of burn
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 11, 2011 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'm curious to see what West has post the knee injury
I feel an Elton Brand thing happening, which will worsen those Pacers…
Plus if we add a real SG then that series is even easier (and if JoNo is 100% which he wasn’t down the stretch).
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Damn
Another element in the Pacers pursuit of OJ Mayo is that they also want to send Brandon Rush to Memphis w McRoberts, according to a source.
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He was sitting courtside waiting for Grizzlies’ practice. He looks to be in better shape than last year.
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I can't wait to hear who's OUT of shape
going into this season. You know there’s going to be some Shawn Kemp out there that just didn’t work though the lockout. But so far its been… Curry lost weight… Boozer looks great… and Omer has been lifting Bronze statues of himself in Istanbul all summer.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
Metta...
is out of shape…said something of Nuclear Winter that Stern had mentioned.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
ahh man.
Its almost too cliche for MWP to be out of shape.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
haha
that statue thing was my line…I feel happy
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yeah i havent heard this explained either
that would be 2 quality pf backups
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by paddyfairview on Dec 11, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
What logjam?
Z-Bo and Darrell Arthur? McRoberts gives them big man depth, and a different look…
They have a greater logjam on the wing, with Xavier Henry, Rudy Gay, Sam Young, Tony Allen and Grevos Vazquez.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
That different look for McRoberts
includes the 3pt shot. Something Z-BO and Arthur don’t really do.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
They also have Skinner, Moore, Sharpe, and Reiner
like I said logjam might not be just PF but they have a lot of big men
I don't know who those guys are
therefore they don’t count
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
Log jam or not, that's not the point
The point is: McRoberts sucks
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Uhhh
They just want to win.
Don’t lie, media day person! You know very well he said:
They jus wanna wee-un.
If you misrepresent him like that we won’t know what to believe!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 11, 2011 11:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Misrepresentation of epic proportions
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
I like that additude, personally.
It is what makes him improve as much as he does. He feels it is up to him personally to propell the team to a championship. If every player felt that way, we would REALLY have something special.
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By the way...do you realize the first game is Friday?
I am so excited and I still have to sit through my damn exams. It’s preseason, but still.
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i love Drose for this attitude exactly
He’s gonna win his first ring like Dirk got his or like Wade got his first ring. By being the man.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 11:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
open position
I see Neil Hayes is doing their blog, which re-popped up on my feed list.
They’ve long really lagged behind everyone else.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
And...
They are going to put their content behind a paywall.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I just realized that I haven't read any Sun Times Bulls coverage in like forever
Looking over their site just now, and I couldn’t find a name attached to one of their articles
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
its cool derricks got a few years before he has to make his pitch to durant
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 11, 2011 11:42 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
and so it begins
melo, howard, 2015 FA Kevin Durant
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by paddyfairview on Dec 12, 2011 1:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
RT @TheAkronHammer: Hasheem Thabeet went from No. 2 overall pick to amnesty waivers in 30 months. That’s impressive.
poor kid
hope he does well
i thought thabeet would become a player somewhat like tyson chandeler.
He should go see Hakeem or something he is 24 and 7'3"
If some team gives him a shot and works with him he might do something
kinda reminds me of asik
very raw player but with the right amount of experience and training/practice, he can become very useful.
I could even see the Bulls taking a look at him
Even though the fifth big man will likely be a veteran, Thabeet is definitely is a low risk, high reward type player. I think he could be had for cheap, so he’s definitely an option worth exploring.
"You know what Neil, stop being such a sourpuss." - Stacey King
Portland should be all over that kid.
If only because Blazers fans will be too drunk this year to care if Thabeet still sucks.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 12:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Timberwolves also going for Crawford
Free agent Jamal Crawford is expected to receive an offer from the Timberwolves “very soon,” according to a source close to the 31-year-old shooting guard….Depending on whether the Wolves use their amnesty clause, they could have as much as $11.4 million in cap space.
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 AM CST reply actions
Timberwolves? never heard of them
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by Brigade17 on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
it's never enough
Kahn is a Cure fan.
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
by Prevenge on Dec 12, 2011 5:07 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This and the J.J. Barea signing for the Wolves is pretty hilarious.
Kahn is the most predictably unpredictable GM in the NBA.
Im perfectly content with Rose not actively recruiting other players
its not his job, and frankly, Rose’s opinion shouldn’t factor into any free agents decision. The situation, the city, the player’s family’s wishes and money should be the determining factors. Honestly, if my best friend starts looking for a new job, I want him to land in the best situation for him, his wife, and his daughter. I don’t want him to work at my firm solely because I selfishly want him around.
Furthermore, i feel the whole ‘wants to play with friends thing’ is more of a by-product of the 24 hour sports networks (espn) creating man-gossip to talk shit about.
by chowder on Dec 12, 2011 12:27 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I don't get why we're waiving Bogans.
He’s a useful guy to have at the end of the bench in case injury strikes. Especially since the guy we’re replacing him with has missed about 30 games a year the past three years.
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i was thinking
they were waiving his option, and then after they finished signing rip (or whatever is going on) they resign him for the min. Thats what i was thinking.
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by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions
I'd rather the Bulls pick up a prospect at SG as bench fodder
than an aging Bogans
by TooMuch2Gain on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions
i wouldnt.
because there were reports that Miami will sign Bogans after he leaves the Bulls
Are we really just waiving him?
I thought I read that several teams had expressed interest and thus assumed that we might be able to trade him for a second round pick or something.
by thelivingant on Dec 12, 2011 5:42 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls have until Dec. 19 to pick up their option for the year.
If they don’t, his contract expires and he’s a free agent, not placed on waivers.
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It gives them flexibility going forward
Blogabull: We are not rolling with Keith
But seriously, could be a trade deadline thing
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Luther Head never showed up at camp
The Bulls invited free agents Brian Scalabrine and Luther Head to camp. Scalabrine could return to the Bulls in a similar role as last season, providing a veteran presence at the end of the bench. The 6-foot-3 Head, who is a career 38.8 percent shooter from beyond the arc, was reportedly a no-show on Friday.
http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-talk/2011/12/bulls-narrow-list-of-two-guard-targets/
I doubt he would have made the roster
i could have sworn I read somewhere he was a knuckle-head.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 1:14 AM CST up reply actions
yeah thats what I was trying to say
basically his no show proves what I read somewhere else that he is a knucklehead. Pass on Head.
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by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
KC reported that Head was asked not show
Pending player moves.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Do they need bodies or not?
11 players in a camp is pretty low right?
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 12, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
well you need 3 inactives for the season
Lucas/Head/Scalabrine?
Can Luther Head do anything besides shoot?
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by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
guess ..it really is a process?
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
does anybody know if they're doing the Open Scrimmage or the Tip Off Luncheon this year?
i’m a season ticket holder and I havn’t heard a thing about either. thought maybe that stuff wasnt happening due to the shortened schedule.
Doubt it. The only event I know of from an email I got last week:
Our Season Ticket Holder “Sixth Man Jam” will be held at the United Center on Monday, December 19 from 5:30 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. Details about this event will be emailed to you next week.
Sweet, bring on Rip and maybe another role player and let's get this shit started.
Rose’s attitude is just fine.
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If 'hypothetically' the Bulls are the leading candidate for landing Howard, who would they trade?
How much money would they free up? Is Howard the only player Bulls would want, or would they seek more?
I'd love for Billups to bitch and moan his way to the Bulls
Come on Chauncey piss off all those teams that can bid on you right now, and come to Chicago to backup Rose and play some dual PG duties as a semi-starter when Rip is hurt…..
I know Watson actually did pretty well for us last year after the rough start, but Billups would be a great backup/fit for our team to really change the style of play on the fly (which I think can be huge in throwing defenses off) plus he knows Rip well (not that Hamilton is quite here yet, but I think he will be).
Plus we may be able to package say Watson and Korver or Brewer and Taj to possibly get say AK47….
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by majoyenrac on Dec 12, 2011 7:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I really hope he doesn't clear waivers
Because if he does, he is most likely headed to the Heat to be their starting point, not to the Bulls to be a back up. So who is going to be a hero today and call his BS?
Contender number one: Hornets. If Stern is going to micromanage the team, why not tell Dell Demps that he HAS to claim Billups? Given the assets they are reportedly getting back from the Clippers, the addition of Billups might actually make them semi-competitive with a fairly bright future.
Contender number two: Bobcats. Let’s hope that MJ dislikes LBJ and his crowd and puts in a claim on Billups just to prevent them from becoming even more prohibitive favorites for the title. Plus this would help his old buddy Pax; what more could he want?
Contender number three: Rockets. I mean really, a point veteran point guard with a PER of almost 18.5 at an absolutely minimal cost. Would an asset-hoarding stat geek like Morley really be intimidated by the sort of crap Billups is spewing? Let’s hope not.
I don’t much care who actually claims him, but I sure hope that somebody does.
by thelivingant on Dec 12, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I see your point
Damn. F-ing Heat.
I’m actually really scared about the Knicks right now….I know their PG isn’t the greatest, but how do you stop Amar’e, Melo and Chandler running and gunning across the court. And Tyson can clean up that shit that Amare’s left hanging last year….
If they get Crawford, that’s even worse….
Damn those Knicks.
The kid's out of this world. He's got Allen Iverson speed, Jason Kidd's vision, Chauncey Billups' shooting ability and Michael Jordan's athleticism. How do you guard that? - Pacers coach Frank Vogel.
Can the Cavs claim him?
If so, I can’t see Gilbert hearing a rumor of him going to the Heat and letting him go by
Do it, MJ!
Stein at ESPN reports that Charlotte is considering filing a claim on Billups in spite of his threats.
by thelivingant on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
No one threatens the Greatest of All Time
"Bud Light."
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Your contender number two theory—
about three or four days ago I would have laughed at you, saying this is the NBA not Days of Our Lives.
But now I really think that it could happen. And then we’ll find out the real David Kahn has been locked in a basement prison cell for the past 2 years, and the Maloof brothers are feindish scientists, and that Pat Riley is the evil twin.
light em up
by docks on Dec 12, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Billups probably should have known better
Trying to intimidate teams below the cap from signing him meant trying to intimidate MJ, and there are few more futile or counter-productive endeavors in this life than trying to intimidate MJ. For the sake of Billups, nonetheless, I hope that he ends up somewhere else, just not with the Heat. He seems like a decent guy, but him on the Heat for vet’s minimum would simply be gross.
by thelivingant on Dec 12, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Honestly hes finished
Hell shoot 33% this year, good luck, Heat
Unless the bulls get him, in which i will say, hes still got a lot left…lol
OT
a buddy gave me his seats for an away game when the Bulls are in town. They are in the front row behind the Bulls bench. Any chance I could get Rose’s autograph? Just wondering if I should bother bringing a jersey or something for him to sign.
get there early and ask during the shootaround i guess.
wouldnt hurt to try
I wish management's attitude
didn’t so closely mirror Rose’s attitude about not needing outside help. It’s great for your team leader to be emotionally strong and believe in himself and his teammates. You want a guy like Rose who is going to the gym with his teammates to work on their half-court offense rather than calling Chris Broussard and telling him how bad we need Dwight.
But I get the feeling the people putting the team together feel the same way. And I never want a GM who isn’t desperately trying to improve the roster every day. Because while they are feeling content, other GMs are taking chances and putting together dynasty-type teams.
NEW THREAD FOR CHRIS PAUL
http://www.blogabull.com/2011/12/12/2630163/clippers-in-the-lead-for-chris-paul
It doesn’t really have much to do with the Bulls anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 12, 2011 9:22 AM CST reply actions
(obviously that rule is applied inconsistently)
I see this Paul thing dominating the morning though, so why have it sully our fine Bulls thread.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 12, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Because the Hornets will acquire Gordon and trade for us for Mirotic right and the Charlotte pick
plus, you know, stuff to match salaries
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions
Kaahhhhhhhhnnnn!!!!!!!!
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by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 9:27 AM CST reply actions
I'm ok with Rose's attitude as long as it doesn't mean
I wont’t be a douche to bring players to Chicago when I myself want to go to LA ASAP
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by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 9:46 AM CST up reply actions
Buried in there
Thibodeau mentions statistics casually, but he is a statistics wonk with such sophisticated player by player analysis it is picked up in Harvey Pollack’s annual stats look at the NBA. Thibodeau said the Bulls were No. 1 in defensive efficiency, but No. 11 in offensive efficiency, though he always does say the Bulls can win with what they have. He said so again.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls still don't have a strong analytics wing, but...
Thibs is pretty meticulous on 3-, 4-, and 5-man combos’ plus-minus-per-possession data. It’s largely why he subs in two at a time or three-to-four within 30-45-second spans more often than you normally see throughout the league. Whether this is something that remains in his rotation strategy is yet to be known to the drastic degree of last season, but for a first-year coach, it minimizes mistakes in primary evaluations of your personnel to the scheme; and yes, less than 100 games is a primary evaluation.
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Interesting
But this makes it all the more bewildering that Thibs continued to play Bogans. I haven’t seen any +/- data that supports the conclusion that Bogans was more effective than Brewer or Korver.
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by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
I like the fact that Thibs pays attention to stats
And that Rose has become a film junkie. I think what we saw in the Miami series was how poor decision making can cost you. It certainly would help to have another scorer out there (Rip Hamilton will do just fine), but Rose’s share of the blame lies mostly on poor decision making. Hopefully he really does learn from the experience and rises to the occasion.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Also...
It’s nice when a player is willing to say, “it’s my fault we lost that series,” as opposed to “I spoil a lot of people with my play.” This isn’t to say the Bulls wouldn’t be a better team without James, but it should at least give fans confidence that Rose is willing to admit mistakes and (hopefully) make the necessary corrections for his team to be successful.
If that should somehow fall through, it would seem Jamal Crawford and Kirk Hinrich remain fallback options.
Hmmm.
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by AerialAssault on Dec 12, 2011 10:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A run at rudy
looks like mavs are having a fire sale bogans, john lucas, and a 2nd rounder might just be enough for Rudy who really hasnt been as effective since his rookie year. He would make a great cheap bench guard,
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
now theres an example
of a team wanting our garbage lol
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I think Rudy's actually a bad bench guard
because he’d sulk.
I’d be more ok with if it we didn’t already know Hamilton was coming. I think Rudy would be a potentially high-upside move, but that upside is gone if he’s like the 4th-5th wing on the roster.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I thought he was more annoyed with the Blazers "boring ball"
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by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
eh it would be for one year
and hes cheap, i think its more harm to him than the team, and i mean its still better than having bogans or lucas….he could be our jason terry…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
I would throw that deal out there. But replace Bogans with Pargo
Lucas/Pargo can be cut right away.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
pargos gone already
he signed with…was it memphis?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
really?
I thought we had him still on an unguaranteed contract. Oh well.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
u know what
i think i got the wrong pargo, jeremy pargo is who signed with memphis……pargo is still technically on team, but bulls have said they have no interest in keeping his option…so yea…they could send him for rudy (or any other trade needing a filler)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't be interested in paying him a million either.
but if dallas is serious about dumping Rudy, I’d toss a 2nd and instant cap relief at them. Anything more would be no dice.
This could set the Bulls up to reacquire Captain Clank and have a piccolomair dream guard rotation of:
Rose/Hinrich
Hamilton/Fernandez/Korver
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
::sigh::
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
buyout bogans
im sure they can buy out rudy, but would rather just look to trade him for something> However, horrible season plus horrible europlay, im sure his demand is uber low, so if the bulls offer, the mavs just might be like fine whatever
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
My sources say Reinsdorf will run for president in 2012
No doubt he will solve our economic troubles…..
So it seems Rose isn't going for less...
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 AM CST reply actions
technically
he still is…hes worth more than even that…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
^^^^^^^^^^^^
as a Milwaukee resident, let me remind all of you that last year Michael Redd made 18 million dollars. By that standard, Rose should’ve been offered full ownership of the White Sox.
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 12, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
No doubt about that
And I think no less of him for taking what he is worth. But I was a bit hopeful he would pull a MJ
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Come on MJ, troll him hard!
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Billups has threatened to retire if any cap-room team dares to put in bid before he clears waivers. But Michael Jordan is a gambler, no?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 10:48 AM CST reply actions
if he retires
would that harm the team that claimed him in any way? Other than the fact that he wouldn’t be playing for them of course.
No
And I am pretty sure they still hold his contract rights if he decides to unretire.
Or maybe I am just talking out of my ass, who knows.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
I think he'd forfeit this year's salary but than become a free agent
i believe his retirement threats are pretty empty. He is scheduled to make $14 million. He isn’t passing that up.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 12, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Doesn't that mean any player could get out of their contract whenever they want to?
If so wouldn’t Paul have done this last year during the FA hoopla?
OS: How much, if at all, does it hurt the Magic’s leverage that Dwight has indicated that he’s interested in signing long-term only with the New Jersey Nets, the Los Angeles Lakers or the Dallas Mavericks?
Kerr: It’s a problem. Under normal circumstances that really severely limits you. I think Orlando is actually kind of lucky that the Lakers are in the situation they’re in, because they do have some really desirable assets. New Jersey less so, in my mind. Chicago has some really desirable assets. . . .
Steve Kerr
Not bad for a guy with only 3 years NBA experience.
5 years, $94 million. Bet GarPax wish they campaigned more for Dwight Howard.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 10:51 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
Am I the only one that's excited we have rose locked up?
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Dec 12, 2011 11:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
It's nice, but also the easiest contract extension Jerry's had to sign in a long time.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 12, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Rudy Fernandez?
Dallas is trying to shed salary by getting rid of Rudy and Brewer. Is it possible that the Bulls can trade Bogans for Rudy? Dallas can then shed salary by not picking up the option on Bogans. If this is possible, it would be a great addition to the bench mob.
Rudy would be a great addition to the Bulls!!
Not only can he shoot and elevate, but he can also flop with the best of them, something which we are obviously missing right now, unlike the Celtics, Heat, Spurs, etc.
i agree with the flopping and elevation...
but he can’t shoot. I know he had a good rookie year from deep, but hes regressed significantly the past two years, and he shoots enough of them to combat any claims of a small sample size skewing the results. He is also under 40% from the field for his career. That’s Pargo Territory. Dude is the most overrated shooter in the league, hands down, and had an attitude problem on a good team in Portland. Not worth the trouble.
On the Dwight Howard front
SVG weighs in:
@WindhorstESPN
Stan Van Gundy: “There’s a lot of teams out there that want to give you nothing for the best center in the league”
A little hyperbolic, right? I mean, who’s really offering a crappy package for Dwight Howard?
If I had to guess I would say... The Bulls
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
If I had to guess...
I imagine he’s referring to the offer of Brook Lopez, picks, and a lock of Vujacic’s hair from the Nets.
by bryield on Dec 12, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
you mean a lock of maria sharapova's hair
provided by vujacic
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by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
no no, that trade would be worth it.
sigh
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by dantheman3k on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
rips been officially bought and waived
via woj
Richard Hamilton has been bought out in Detroit, and waived.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Dec 12, 2011 11:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
48 hours.....
starting….
NOW
light em up
by docks on Dec 12, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Bonzi Wells signed with the Wolves
Is he the second best player on the Wolves after Love now?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
More on Bonzi
http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/135419148.html
Didn’t play at all last season.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 12, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I wonder if bringing all these vets out of pergatory (Curry, Wells, Hughes)
Is a product of the weak draft, or a combination of that and short training camps and no practice team during the season. Generally, if you’ve been out of the league a year, thats pretty much it.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
Weak draft, weak free agent class
Teams probably need depth right now and are looking everywhere for it.
This reminds me...
Ricky Rubio’s finally coming over this year! I’m actually pretty excited to see if he can live up to the hype. We could have three straight players from the 2009 draft class win ROTY.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 12, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I predict Rubio won't even be in the running for ROTY
Not a single vote
Hmmm
johnhollinger John Hollinger
Chauncey, anyone? RT @WojYahooNBA Pacers are still mulling amnesty on James Posey
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:17 PM CST reply actions
Lord almighty ...
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @MagicInsider: Possibly stunning development: Dwight Howard softens stance. “This is place I want to be but some things have to change”
13 seconds ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions
The Magic might as well fire Otis Smith now.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
to be honest, I wouldn't put all the blame on Danny Ferry
if we are to compare star players relationships with there GMs. Lebron and Gilbert mettled in their decisions a bit too much. And it doesn’t say if the Arenas/Turkoglu deals were all Otis Smith or if it was one of Howards suggestions. Or does it?
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by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
he should've said just that years ago
then he wouldn’t be taking such an image-bashing right now. Its a well-deserved bashing, but still…
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
So he's bipolar?
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by macjack09 on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
LBJ did soooooo well as whiny player/GM
Maybe Dwight can match LeBron’s Cleveland championships with his GM’ing skills too
oh wait.
light em up
im betting howard wont get traded till the trading deadline
that or the magic better find a way to become contenders…
doesn't he need to sign an extension by Jan 1st
to get the full max?
by NerdVernacular on Dec 12, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
The only thing that needs to change
is that he needs to get on some medication. He’s got more mood swings than a chick on period.
Darn
I was so looking forward to BlogaDwight…
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 12, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
kinda suprised bulls didnt low ball rose
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
Bulls aren't that dumb
Rose is easily worth 20 mil + to the franchise.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
the org can easily put a competitive roster around
Rose for 35 million and milk an 8th seed for the rest of his career.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
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