NBA Rumor: Crawford could go back to Knicks for $5 million, Bulls 'will enter talks' for Howard, Kurt Thomas to Blazers
by Alex Sonty on Dec 11, 2011 1:57 PM CST
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PrintA lot of fluttering rumors this weekend and another one of the Bulls' targets likely not being landed. The New York Post is reporting the Knicks are in three-way talks with the Hawks and Warriors to acquire Jamal Crawford in a sign-and-trade.
What's interesting is the offer. The Knicks reportedly only offered Crawford $2.5 million and that Crawford is only looking for about $5 million this season.
The constantly reported obstacle to the Bulls acquiring Crawford has been that Crawford would likely cost more than the $5 million mid-level expemption, which is all the Bulls can offer the unrestricted free agent. That acquiring Crawford would then require a sign-and-trade where Crawford makes more money for more years and the Bulls would lose depth from their roster.
Just about any trade for Crawford would be so marginal at best that Crawford was pretty much not worth an effort. An NBA executive attempting to acquire Richard Hamilton said "it's a lock" that he signs with the Bulls.
Every Bulls target is set to make more this season than the Bulls could offer, regardless of luxury tax apprehension. With Jason Richardson re-signing with the Magic, Vince Carter going to the Mavericks, Grant Hill re-signing with the Suns, Caron Butler signing with the Clippers, Crawford's price raises a question for (likely futile) debate: Jamal or Rip? Neither is a mix of defense, high-percentage shooting, and isolation option.
Other notes:
- The Bulls "will enter trade talks" with the Magic to acquire Dwight Howard, K.C. Johnson reports. He's requested a trade from Orlando twice this week, admitted doing so, and has received permission from Orlando to negotiate a sign-and-trade with the Lakers, Nets, and Mavericks. The Lakers traded Lamar Odom to the Mavs, receiving an $8.9 million trade exemption. The Lakers are bargaining with exemptions, while the Mavs seem to be attempting to add to what they hope with best court the Magic. The Bulls simply can't court the Magic into taking a deal before Jan. 15, when Joakim Noah can be included in a package.
- Rasual Butler signed with the Raptors on Saturday.
- Jeff Green re-signed with the Celtics to a one-year, $9 million deal.
- Luc Mbah a Moute re-signed with the Bucks to a four-year $19 million deal, matching the Nuggets' offer.
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Kurt Thomas will not be a Bull next season, as he's signed a deal with the Blazers.
Every official signing is being tracked on the Free Agent Scorecard.
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also of note, the David-West-to-Celtics deal is off
he is apparently also going the Pacers, it now seems. Hopefully that Rip deal to us becomes official soon.
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Look at the Pacers being all smart
don’t like it.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
me neither
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Pacers could end day Collison, Hill, Mayo, Granger, West, Hibbert, Hansborough. Nice group. Strong work by Morway and Bird
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda redundant, no?
Still don’t see any rebounding or basket protection
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Come on Gar Paxsdorf
Crawford’s only looking for $5 mil and you can’t find a way to get this done?
Pick up Rip and trade Korver to some under the cap team, that needs to get to the cap floor and send a pick to ATL. How fucking simple is that? Stop BS’ing.
by Ceasaleo on Dec 11, 2011 2:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I swear it seems we’ve been linked to Rip for a days now and ain’t done anything. I swear this FO drags its feet so bad.
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by macjack09 on Dec 11, 2011 2:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Waivers
Part of the issue, is that we’re waiting for Rip to clear waivers. Technically, any team that wants to pay Rip his full salary could claim him, so we have to wait for that period to be over.
by Jamaicanpi on Dec 11, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, this is a technical reason not to be antsy
save it for another cause, macjack
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't believe in any locks
we have seen a couple 2 guards express interest in signing with the Bulls only to re-sign elsewhere (while Bulls fan like Sonty make excuses). I think its a lock that Hamilton wants to sign with the Bulls. But will he take whatever the Bulls are willing to pay? We shall see.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 2:15 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe in any locks either
since lebron and bosh were a “lock” to come here summer 2010…
This one is really surprising
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Houston’s close to signing Marc Gasol to max-contract offer sheet, working a sign-and-trade with Memphis to secure him, league sources say.
That's going to be a bad contract in a few years.
Still hope LAL finds a way to send Gasol to the Rockets so the super Gasol brothers can play together.
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I don't think Gasol is worth the max
but Memphis has nothing to replace him with at C. So, if they aren’t going to match Houston’s offer, they need to do a S/T to get something back.
If Memphis lets Gasol walk
I have some friends that are Grizzlies fans that are going to become unhinged.
Yeah,,,
That would suck for Memphis…unless they trade Mayo for Hibbert. That team was looking really good last year in the playoffs.
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The Rockets are working to sign Marc Gasol to a 4 year, $55M offer sheet, sources tell Y! Memphis would have 3 days to match, or lose him.
They'd have to match that...wouldn't they?
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
Everything I've read (I live in the Memphis media market)
suggests that Memphis will match just about any offer for Gasol. Per my comment above, they almost have to since they don’t have any starting caliber C to replace him with.
Kobe pissed about the Odom trade
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
RT @ESPN_Caplan: RT @Mike_Bresnahan: Kobe didn’t like Odom’s destination. “Especially to them … supposed to come back and get them back.”
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 2:29 PM CST reply actions
Kobe has a no-trade clause
also, shut up.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
I'm not sure how to spin this into a Bulls are cheap narrative!
Lakers are a taxpayer but just gave away a contributor for $ (unless they really have Dwight in the bag)
Meanwhile, Mark Cuban just doesn’t care.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be all smiles again if they get Dwight.
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by kingles on Dec 11, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Per Lakers columnist
@KevinDing
I’m told there’s no way Lakers are trading Bynum and Gasol for Dwight Howard.
So, it looks like there’s a chance the Bulls can offer a better package, that is, if Howard doesn’t mind cold weather – maybe buy a jacket?
I still say you deal for Howard without an extension in the bag
they’ll be good and he’ll re-sign. Heck, lets have some self-esteem as an Org.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
If Howard comes here and we get to the finals or win it all, he looks like a damn fool for leaving to go play in NJ and would be cast as a bigger villain than Lebron
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
And be cast
as possibly the dumbest player ever
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lol...if he wins a championship here there's no way he would leave
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
see ball, basket
different sport, man. totally different.
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The situations don't equate. There would be no team who could offer Howard more money than the Bulls.
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Sure, but that's different that what Pujols, whom you sited, did. He went to the highest bidder.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
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No he didn't.
Marlins offered more money.
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
marlins wouldn't give him a no trade clause
dealbreaker for pujols.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
fine, there's a way he COULD leave
I don’t think it’s likely, happy? dantheman is right anyway, totally different thing.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
Didn’t Pujols’ team just win a title, then he signed in L.A. for more money…
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and...
Tyson Chandler did the same with the Mavericks this offseason.
New signature coming...but its a process.
and
baseball is different than basketball and Chandler’s impact on the Mavs winning would not be the same as Howards impact on the Bulls winning
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now, if you said Dirk leaving... you'd have an argument.
but he’s not leaving.
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Huh?
How is Dirk like Howard? Are saying Dwight would be the Bulls best player on a championship run? If so, I disagree.
New signature coming...but its a process.
One player has been MVP.
Do you know which one?
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares?
Derrick Rose isn’t the best offensive player in the league.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
You missed the point, Howard's going to win DPoY trophies like MJ won scoring titles
Also, Orlando’s offense was all about taking advantage of Howard’s presence in the post to open up 3pt shots.
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Dwight is also kind of a liability at the end of games
his freethrow shooting sucks balls. other teams hack him like they did to shaq.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Legitimate concern. However, keep the ball out of his hands with less than 2 min left
and teams that try to foul him send him to the line and give the Bulls the ball back.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
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so you're back to 4 on 5 again?
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions
Not really, it's not like the team would, or should, completely ignore him. Howard
is a player opponents would still have to pay attention to. He’s so explosive, it doesn’t take much of a window for him to score.
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I agree
but his freethrow shooting would need to be accounted for somehow and protected against
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
when you're up by 32 points every game
it won’t matter
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Not only is Dwight a liability in late game situations
But Noah is just as much an asset. The plays he made in this game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLKfHANm0PQ
Guarding Nash successfully on switches. Hitting Rose for a backdoor layup with 4 seconds left. These are things Dwight can’t do.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
Right, because Noah's limited ability to finish at the rim or post up
Isn’t a liability at all. You’re just cherry-picking.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
it means there's a player on the floor we can't pass the ball to
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
Does a DRose led team toss the ball into the post
in late game situations? Regardless of the center?
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see why not
if he’s open, then yes, of course.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Howard's the best defensive player in the NBA, he's not exactly Shaq
trying to hide when guarding a pick and role. The Bulls don’t fall off at all on the defensive end going from Noah to Howard.
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I'm not saying the Bulls fall off
I’m saying that there are things that Noah can do that Howard can’t. Defending Nash is one of those things.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Considering Howard's athleticism and intelligence are, at worst, on par with Noah's
I don’t think guarding Nash would be much of a problem for him.
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Make sure you read the entire thread above
We were talking about guarding Nash on a switch on the pick and roll. If Noah can do it, there’s absolutely no reason Howard couldn’t.
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Howard could not
defend nash on a switch pick and roll. He is not as as fast or quick as noah.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
Watch the video
Watch how low Noah gets. Watch his footwork. I’ve never seen Howard do anything remotely close.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
than why Thibs keep pulling Noah
at the end of games in the playoffs? You guys are overrating Noah. Thibs preferred Asik defense already as a rookie.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
in certain games yes
I’n the Indiana game he left noah out there because they are a perimeter team. Against the Heat he left Asik out there because Asik is a better defender right in front of the basket for when Wade and LeBron drive to the hoop.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
well Howard is even better than
Asik. And he gets more respect from the refs.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
Refs hate Asik
no question about that.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
the best when protecting a specific area of the court
which is under the basket and very near there. I also think Noah is a better defender further from the basket.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
Howard's defensive game extends far beyond just watching the low post
Orlando’s defenses have been very good the past few years despite having no other strong defenders on the team. He can, and does, cover as much ground as Noah.
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Great point
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
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snley is right...
Just because howard doesn’t get into the proper stance doesn’t mean he isn’t just as effective. Howard is a much better defender than Noah.
Can't believe its even
being argued.
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by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
the argument started when snley
said that Howard could stay with Nash on the perimeter which is crazy.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
It doesn't matter
since you wouldn’t want Noah guarding out in the perimeter either.
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by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
during end game situations
Noah has won us games by staying with guards on last second shots more than once.
he stayed with LeBron on a drive once, we’re just saying Noah has a great talent for a center. We’re not saying he’s a better defender than Howard.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Its not being argued!
I never said Noah was a better overall defender. I only said that Noah can do certain things that Howard can’t. If y’all can’t see that then you are blind.
Does Howard steal the ball from Pierce and dribble the length of the floor for the dunk?
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
In the paint he is
we’re just debating if he’s as good of a perimeter defender as Noah, which he is not.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
Even if he's not as good as Noah, which I'm still not willing to concede
Explain to me how Orlando’s defense could be so good with Howard not venturing beyond the paint
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Dwight also wouldn't get the ball picked from him at the end of the game trying to lead the break.
I love Noah, don’t get me wrong, but still.
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i hate to say this but Rose still has ways to go on his offensive game
needs to be better this year in shot selection. That will be much easier with Hamilton now on board (knock on wood*)
and by your retarded logic
Steve Nash mustbe better than kobe right? he has two mvps !!!!!
Should've traded for Melo.
Rose > Howard, how's that not clear everyone?
by adocarbog on Dec 11, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, got it now
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Jesus i can't believe
people are saying Howard would be our best player god damn that’s lame
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I can't believe you care about such an irrelevant thing.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
Who cares who's better if both of them are on the team?
They both have such different roles it’s not like it’d matter. Rose is still going to have the ball in his hands a ton.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
yeah but once again
Howard. Does. Not. Want. To. Play. For. The. Bulls.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sort of saying that, but not all out.
I’m just pointing out that Tyson Chandler’s effect on the Mavs championship run would be more comparable to Rips place on this current Bulls team, than it would be to Howard’s on this hypothetical Bulls team.
Or, perhaps a better example: Chandler would be more comparable to (at best) Horace Grant in the first bulls 3 peat. Howard would be more comparable to Shaq in the Lakers first championship. Although I’d also like to think Rose would stay “the man”, while I firmly believe Shaq was “the man” as opposed to Kobe in that LA situation.
Point being: Chandler’s impact would be nowhere near as much as Howard’s. Not that Howard was “the Bulls best player on a championship run”.
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I get it.
I just don’t think he would be cast as a bigger villain than Lebron if he left.
New signature coming...but its a process.
while I agree with you there,
I think he would still be hated and largely viewed as a moron who wants money more than winning. America loves a champion. America does not love a man who is majorly responsible for a championship who bails on the ability to win more to partner with a friend in New Jersey. Or Brooklyn… but especially New Jersey. America HATES New Jersey (lol).
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Yes, make decisions based on the opinions of the country that makes 2 and a Half Men
the most popular show, Michael Bay a money making machine, and continually votes for politicians who keep working towards speeding up government insolvency at every level.
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dude, if I were a player, I wouldn't give a shit about popularity
but Dwight clearly does if he’s trying to weasel his way to particular cities and particular situations for reasons outside of purely basketball. Can’t we both agree on that?
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Dirk is more like Howard than Chandler
from the standpoint of overall skill/impact on the game
But you're putting Howard in the position to say no
He’d love this town more than Brooklyn. He just doesn’t know it yet
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
You honestly don't think the Bulls would offer Howard the longest and biggest salary extension possible under the CBA?
It’s not like the Lakers can offer him an extra $50 million.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
254 million dollars
I don’t think anybody can offer that much money to make Dwight leave if he becomes a Bull.
by squadron supreme on Dec 11, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
worst case scenario we get a good S&T
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he just doesn't like rise, I mean look at the fouls he gives him
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by J Theory on Dec 11, 2011 2:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
are they only gonna take a trade if it includes turk?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
And again, as we keep trying to point out here, but KC annoyingly won't
THE BULLS CAN’T DEAL NOAH YET EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.
1/15.
So basically hope he’s not dealt anywhere.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
let's just get a deal in place and say
we will fake a noah injury so he won’t play until the 15th….then we trade him!
by shutupdrogba on Dec 11, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, we've tried to point it out lots and lots (stupid KC)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
This is not correct
http://twitter.com/#!/dougthonus/status/145985552636841984
Thonus told as much as well
seriously...
I’d play in antarctica for what he’s making…can’t stand when these guys bitch about weather like little bitches
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Sure
But if you had the choice of playing in antarctica, or LA for the same money…which one would you choose?
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well, I would choose LA if those were my choices
luckily for Dwight, his choice is between LA and Chicago. And if Chicago is good enough for the likes of MJ, it’s good enough for Dwight fucking Howard.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
But MJ's Shadow
is even bigger than the manchild!
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Even these guys are retooling...
Pacers could end day Collison, Hill, Mayo, Granger, West, Hibbert, Hansborough. Nice group. Strong work by Morway and Bird
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Yep, for a small-market team they're doing all the right moves, at least until they wildly overpay for Hibbert.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
i really like Hansborough
he’s a great team player, tough worker, great role-player. awesome 6th man potential. When they started playing him right halfway through last season, he was beasting.
little bit biased because UNC is my alma mater though.
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Heat aiming for Billups
Fudge, so much for the secondary waivers being a hindrance for stuff like this
Guard Chauncey Billups, released in the same fashion Saturday by the New York Knicks, becomes a free agent at 6 p.m. Monday under the league’s 48-hour waiver wire. Under amnesty, teams operating below the salary cap, which is set for this season at $58 million, have 48 hours to bid on players released by the provision, with the highest bidder paying that portion of the player’s remaining salary and adding him to its roster. However, a league source clarified Sunday that a player claimed under the process cannot then be traded to another team until July 1. Billups, 35, has made clear he wants to control his decision and has requested teams not put in a claim.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
But a team that wants to mess with Miami could just put in a bid, right?
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
What contender has cap space?
It would make sense for a contender to claim him, then simply not play him.
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I'd love it
but there’s always a hidden problem if you’re screwing over someone, he has an agent who has other clients, etc.
It sucks.
Could the Clippers count?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
The Clippers...
Could actually use Billups as a PG, unless you think Mo Williams matters. They should put a claim in on him.
New signature coming...but its a process.
That's what I'm hoping for, a fringe playoff team that could actually use him.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
if htye get chris paul
then they wont be a fringe playoff team.
yup
I’m worried they won’t.
Especially at ONE YEAR though, why not just put in minimum.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather see the team pay the MLE to Billups than Hamilton
It probably wouldn’t work out in reality as well as it does in my mind, but I think Billups could handle playing off the ball and defending SGs while also providing the secondary ball handler the team needs.
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Quick clarification here
Crawford is not asking for $5mil. The NY Post article cited says he wants more than that:
Crawford prefers a sign-and-trade so he can make upwards of $5 million per season.
Also, Steve Kyler of Poopsworld notes:
Jamal Crawford in same boat as Williams… has some offers in the $8 to $9 million range with teams way outside the playoff picture
Rose before hoes
by Bullsfan7210 on Dec 11, 2011 2:52 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm guessing he ends up signing with some shitty team for way more than he deserves.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Crawford vs. Hamilton
I would enjoy either of these guys as the Bulls’ starting SG next year. No matter what, it’s a huge upgrade over Bogans. Which one you prefer probably come down to your personal opinion of what skillset the Bulls need out of their SG. Crawford and Hamilton are very different players; Crawford’s a far better shot-creator and a more skilled ballhandler while Hamilton plays almost exclusively off the ball, coming off screens and spotting up from the outside.
I know that a lot of people out there believe the Bulls need a second ballhandler to take pressure off of Rose, and if you absolutely believe that, there’s no doubt that Crawford’s a better fit. However, I look at how successful the Bulls’ offense last year was with Kyle Korver on the floor, and I come to the conclusion that the Bulls don’t necessarily need another ballhandler out there, but they do need another scoring threat. The Bulls’ offense is ultimately going to run through Rose, so having a guy who can be a threat without the ball in his hands will ultimately help Rose more than a guy who excels in iso situations, in my opinion at least. That’s why I prefer Hamilton.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 11, 2011 3:05 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I think your second paragraph really nails it
plus, I think people forget about how good of passers Noah and Boozer are, and are certainly capable of making plays in the high and low post.
I agree with you guys...
It is all well and good to say that we need another ball handler, but do you really want Rose spending half the game off of the ball? I think that one of his great weaknesses is that he cannot do all that well in such a situation (watch him when he plays with team USA). Even if Rip is not the perfect player to have on the floor in the replay of the last shot in the ECF, overall I think that his style would fit better with our offense.
Also think that we were not working out of the post enough last year.
Noah is an excellent passing big man. If you feed him the ball in the high post, typically a bit beyond the free throw line, and have Rose work off the ball, Noah can generally thread some good passes. Imagine if you have Rip running around in this situation also! He is also an excellent left hand driver so can create offense from this position. Looking back, I do not remember much in the way of creativity in this sense and most of what I saw of Noah working the high post came from his time with Team France. Come on Thibs! Lets get some offense going!
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 11, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
I also really agree with this..
Offense is going to be ran through Rose regardless, just need someone to take advantage of the opportunities given to them.. If you look at the article in this thread, multiple ball handlers are negative but scorers and ball handlers have positive synergy.. Most of those scorers listed are typically good shooters too.
The biggest thing we need is just to make sure our 3rd guard (with brewer and korver) can also score given the opportunity, which makes me feel a bit better about the probably Rip signing.
by Basketball on Dec 11, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
That's a really interesting article
I’m highlighting this section.
Offensive ballhandling (preventing turnovers) has negative synergies with itself (-0.825) because
a lineup with one great ballhandler does not need another. Defensive ballhandling (creating
turnovers) has positive synergies with itself (0.307) because defenders who create turnovers feed
off each other and create more turnovers than they would individually. Offensive scoring has
negative synergies with itself (-0.826) because players must share one ball. Similarly, defensive
scoring has negative synergies with itself (-0.284) because most defensive stands end with a stop
anyway.Offensive rebounding has positive synergies with itself (0.293), while defensive rebounding has
negative synergies with itself (-0.394). This differential sign of synergy with respect to offensive
versus defensive rebounds illustrates a larger aspect of the SPM framework. Because synergy is
defined as the excess to the total beyond the sum of the individual parts, any skill that adds to an
event that is already likely to happen (such as securing a defensive rebound) will not give as
much benefit as a skill that adds to an event that is unlikely to happen (such as securing an offensive rebound).
It’s very revealing that “defensive ballhandling” and “offensive rebounding” are the only skills that are synergistic with themselves. Two of the best “defensive ballhandlers” in the league, according to the article, are Ronnie Brewer and CJ Watson, and we all saw how well those guys played together defensively last year. I wanted CJ Watson replaced as backup PG, but this makes me change that opinion.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 11, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks for highlighting that..
I was going to do something similar but got lazy.. Yeah, I really liked this article a lot, I think it’s very good in illustrating the type of player a team might need when constructing one from the ground up or even just adding a single player.
this article is wonderful.
It also points out Luol Deng is the 2nd most well rounded player in the NBA according to their advanced statistical interpretation, and while I don’t agree with all the metrics and formulas, its still. very creative, very original, and a good read if you can cut past the jargin.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I rec'd for that link
That paper is mind blowing to me. I’d hire that dude and YaoPau to run a team. Or at least, help me run a team and let me steal the credit.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
i wouldn't call our offense successful.
we struggled more often than not
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I said "with Kyle Korver on the floor"
When Kyle Korver played, the Bulls scored 110.9 points per 100 possessions. That would’ve tied us with the Knicks for the 7th-best offense in the league. Miami scored 111.7 points per 100 possessions, OKC scored 111.2 points per 100 possessions, and the Lakers scored 111.0 points per 100 possessions. Basically, we had as good an offense as anybody else with Korver out there.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 11, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but DRose was making miracles out there
when shit got real Korver could not bail us out
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
and just causing defensive movement on the perimeter
Bogans literally just stood in one spot.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:04 PM CST up reply actions
right, and they wouldn't guard him
and half the time when he had a wide open shot he wouldn’t even fucking shoot the ball, maybe his existence even more pointless
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Dec 11, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Its the part that makes me most excited about Hamilton
a master of off-the-ball movement.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
er, maybe = making
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Big Sexy signed by Portland - kind of dissapointing
I'm getting too old for this shit...
Gee, it's like you don't read the actual post!
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, go easy on the guy
after all, its Big Sexy!
yeah, go easy on me
I wasn’t aware I was supposed to actually do reading here
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Jan. 15 is not too far from now.
If the Bulls are dangling the best offer, why wouldn’t Orlando wait? Trade Dwight now, trade Dwight later, it doesn’t matter to them.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions
apparently
howard would leave a ton of money on the table if he doesn’t sign by jan 1
Death by automirotic asphyxiation
Dwight has to sign his extension by Jan 1 to get the full max value available to him
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
But, I guess that doesn't really matter to Orlando
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
Exactly.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Though it may factor in to where Dwight is willing to go
He may not be willing to go to a team unless he can get the maximum amount of money available to him.
Sure, it would make the move extra risky for the Bulls.
But a run to the Finals, the big market exposure, especially with fellow Adidas man DRose, might just convince him to stick around for less pay while maximizing his money in other ways.
Winning means even bigger money.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
winning can also mean more lucrative options
OUTSIDE OF BASKETBALL! if howard were to come here and they win a championship, just think how many companies would lineup to get howard and rose as the face of their company. Think Tiger Woods (before he was caught cheating on his wife :)
DH12 and DRose ... the family friendly Shaq and Kobe!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Wow I didn't know that
I don’t know how Dwight is in a position to demand a trade to specific teams if he’s under the gun to sign an extension. He’s got to be concerned about leaving money on the table.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions
Let's be honest, this team as presently constructed, is set.
The Bulls need more internal growth then adding outside players. We have a fairly young core as does the Thunder. The Bulls are adding a SG who will help round them team out. The only move this team should make is for a game changer like Howard. Anything else is incremental.
by Playboy_BullV on Dec 11, 2011 3:09 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
yeah, see, the problem i see with this blog
is thatthe ydont realize this is only the second yr for these guys together and the main thing is that they need to start playing better together as a group when it will come to playoff time. That required some playoffs experience, and the bulls got plenty of that.
I have NEVER heard of a team changing significant amount of the roster during the second yr after being the number 1 seed in the NBA and having a reigning MVP.
of course, if the bulls can trade for a guy like howard
that would be a different story :)
Which would essentially be changing a significant amount of the roseter during the second year
of a team’s run—-something you didn’t want to do. And the preponderance of this blog—if I may be so bold as to offer a humble rebuttal—doesn’t want to roll with Keith motherfucking Bogans. No one’s really talking about an overhaul.
it depends on who we give up from our starting lineup and whether or not if the deal would involve a thrid team
the howard deal is a whole diff saga.
I acutally think he might be OK
His hips were never good, but they got worse as the year went on. I’m hoping that’s due to injury and maybe a little worse shape, but, either way…
I mean, I want to say “fuck boozer” as much as the next guy. But I see no reason for this tweet to be a bad thing to mock, you know?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I wasn't trying to mock him specifically, just the cliche "best shape of his life" quote.
We hear that all the time.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
i remember when curry was in great shape
and Coach Doc called him slim in one of the preseason games. And then he went onto having a decent season with the bulls
I'm really rooting for him this year.
If he’s at full capacity for the Bulls, they’ll be in great shape to make a title run, Howard or now Howard, Crawford or now Crawford.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
thats important actually
alot of players think bulking up is the best way to become better as a player…well, they are WRONG. More muscle mass just puts more tension on their tendons and it becomes troublesome on the long run. Think bout it, running back and forth, diving for loose balls and jumping to grab the reboudn is not IDEAL for a basketball player.
On the other hand, cutting weight and gaining flexibility is the best way to go for a player liek boozer. lets hope it can increase his durability for the season.
I think that this Kurt Thomas deal is going to hurt us...bad.
That fifth big is exactly the kind’ve depth that wins championships. He was damn good for us last year. You can plug him into any situation and expect him to perform. We had an army of bigs that could overwhelm any front court in the league and we have lost that. I hope to God that the Portland deal is unreasonable because I will be pissed if they gave up an incredible advantage for chump change (relative to the revenues that the Bulls bring in).
Depth definitely helps throughout the regular season, but top line talent wins in the playoffs
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
I would reference OKC vs. Memphis last season...
OKC won by throwing bodies at ZBo and wearing him down. The front court battle became a war of attrition and OKC had that extra man. They did not win this series because they had all star talent up front but because Nazr Mohammed was their twelfth man on the bench and could act as a fresh body on ZBo.
We will not find a replacement that matches KT’s quality versus cost. He wanted to play for us and we probably could have kept him if we tossed him a reasonable offer and let him know that we cared.
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 11, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think that's part of the explanation
but the other problem Memphis ran into was that no one else on the team could score effectively or efficiency. Without Rudy Gay, the secondary scoring had to come from some combination of Conley/Gasol/Mayo/Battier/Allen, and it just didn’t happen consistently.
Yes, certainly that I have ignored other aspects of the game in this analysis...
but the point still stands that OKC neutralized top line talent at the power forward position with numbers. I checked KC’s tweets and apparently they did make KT an offer but for whatever reason he chose Portland.
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 11, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
What about Joel Przybilla?
Vet minimum perhaps. He says he doesn’t want to sign a deal until after Christmas.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Dec 11, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
yeah and hes a good shot blocker
he would be a decent backup backup center for asik and noah, haha
Someone else suggested...
Troy Murphy. Not much of a defender, but can spread the floor.
New signature coming...but its a process.
as a fifth big he'd be fine.
Not much is really expected out of fifth bigs.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
scalabrine is our 5th big.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Blogabull: Keeping a Pulse?
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Gar on DHoward: “It’s our job to be in touch with all 29 teams in the league and keep a pulse on the trade market.” #Bulls
Grab it, Jo!
Barely.
I keed, I keed.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions
Still, that's a pretty good non-denial denial.
For the Bulls’ FO, that might as well mean they’re burning up the phones with Otis Smith.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
exactly, they are just testing the trade waters
and see what they can do. I guess they are just going to pull a trade offer outta their ass and see what Smith says.
Although I can't help but feel they'll be satisfied by saying, "Hey, we tried."
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
it's tricky
you can get Noah pissed either
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
If the Bulls wanted to offer a package prior to Jan. 15 without Noah
I suppose it would look something like Deng, Taj, Asik, Brewer, Korver, Mirotic, and Charlotte pick. Does Orlando take that deal? And, do the Bulls make that trade without a commitment from Howard? I say ‘maybe’ and ‘yes.’
man that deal blows the laker deal outta the water
w.e the nets and lakers have to offer, that deal is ALOT. magic would get a boner just from that offer.
Pretty much have to if you give up Brewer, Deng and Korver.
Then you’d have Jo, Dwight and Booze fighting for three positions. Do they then trade Noah come Jan. 15 to flesh out the team?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
Mind blown.
Too bad none of this stuff has a prayer of happening in real life.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Probably have to get a third team involved.
Orlando may end up with a glut of players, but the Bulls will need some spare parts.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
am I the only one who thinks that's a bad deal for us?
maybe I’m just conservative, but it seems like a lot.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
It would be, but a third party would have to come into the equation.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
i think my main issue is with the Charlotte pick AND Mirotic
I’d say let them choose one, but not both
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 3:38 PM CST up reply actions
thats why i said that offer is betetr than what the nets and lakers can offer
it completely blows anyone trade offer outta the water.
yeah, no question it's much better
I’m just worried it’s too much
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
why?
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Getting howard is a big deal
if you have to give the Charlotte pick and Mirotic to get him you should do it
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I realize he's a big deal
it’s just my opinion that the deal is fair with one of the two, not both
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
youre getting the best fucking center in a league with like maybe 5 dominant big men left
and probably one of the top 2-3 players in the league.
i dont care what you have to give up for him. you do it.
Should've traded for Melo.
i don't really think that makes us better though
We’d have a horrible supporting cast and i don’t think Drose+Howard beats James+Bosh+Wade
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
in one year you would fill the holes well enough
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Based on the trade I proposed above
we would have Rose-Noah-Howard
There's no room for Noah and Howard
you can’t play them together because other teams could just pack the paint.
It’s one or the other
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just correcting your statement above
that Rose-Howard does not beat James-Wade-Bosh (putting aside the fact that they don’t play 2 on 3 games, but whatever), because it would be more like Rose-Noah-Howard-Boozer.
Sure - I suppose it would be Hedo/Butler
Needs more cowbell, too
Noah would not be on our team
if Howard was. Noah is a all star caliber center why would he come off the bench?
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
I swear it's like you don't bother reading
by bryield on Dec 11, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
is that to me?
cause I’m a little lost haha
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
it would be
like rose, howard, boozer, turkoglu, and richard hamilton vs the heat.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
That's why Thibs
doesn’t play Asik and Noah together
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
lol no i never did that
I’m saying that both Asik and Howard are Centers who play right next to the basket. Noah’s game does not fit with either.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
asik doesnt do shit next to the basket
howard can actually score next to the basket
Should've traded for Melo.
dude, chill, he was jus making an observation
based on noah and asik. that has nothing to do with howard
his observation has nothing to do with what hes talking about
asik and howard are two completely different players.
Should've traded for Melo.
his observation has everything to do with what he's talking about
calm your boner, dude.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Get pissed Sin!
He’s trying to make a point about basketball plays! Its clearly inappropriate.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
doesnt matter
youd have the best pg and the best center in the league. both of who are still yet to hit their prime years.
wade is going to start declining sooner or later.
lebron is a choke artist
and ..wait.. whos that other guy they have…oh right..chris bosh…yeah…….
Should've traded for Melo.
first of all
Howard is already well into his prime, remember it’s different for players who come into the league from High School. That’s why Garnett and Kobe play a lot older than they really are.
second of all you need an Elite SF to get out of the east with Melo, Peirce, and James. By losing Deng we no longer have a player who can make them work on both ends of the floor.
Third the Heat will just put James on Rose and Jam the Paint, then what? The Heat’s weakness is the Bulls have better depth and a balanced attack. We obviously still need more offensive firepower, but i think if you add a legit sg to our current squad. It’s better than the Rose+Howard squad.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
oh and one more thing
i hate Bosh but i can admit he’s a damn good player
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
Id rather not give that much up to get him.
Bulls had the best record in the league without him. Sure he is the best center, what has that done for Orlando? Getting him guarantees nothing. I think the biggest strength for Chicago is their crazy depth.
"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player." Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after drafting Michael Jordan
by AerialAssault on Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
the way the league rules are now a days the best center doesn’t mean that much…
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
Oh God
I’d rather have our strength be having really really good players rather than depth of decent players.
Honestly
the deal I proposed above was under the assumption that Noah could not be traded prior to Jan. 15 because he’s BYC, but apparently that’s not the case (see news below). So, this deal would probably not be the one that gets Howard anyway, if it happens at all.
Yeah, idiots act like a trip to the Finals and a trip to the Conf Finals means anything
Howard’s impact is overrated, teams with good post players don’t win championships anymore
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
by snley on Dec 11, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Its a point guard league now.
Defense isn’t our problem. Let’s just get Derrick a pressure release valve SG and see what happens. I don’t know, I just don’t feel like we have to follow the lead of other team stackers to win.
"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player." Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after drafting Michael Jordan
by AerialAssault on Dec 11, 2011 4:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Why worry about what other teams are doing?
If you have an opportunity to grab one of the top 5 players in the league and pair him with another top 5 player, especially with both being so young, you have to jump on it. As good as the team was last year, a move like acquiring Howard is for the next 5 to 7 seasons as much as it would be for this season. The team as currently constructed won’t be around by that time. As the team is rebuilt, it’s going to be far easier to rebuild and stay a contender with both Rose and Howard around.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
by snley on Dec 11, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Because I like the idea of being the anti Heatles.
"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player." Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after drafting Michael Jordan
by AerialAssault on Dec 11, 2011 5:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The method to get there was different, but the Heat are far from the first team
to stack multiple superstar players on one team.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
Thats for sure.
Maybe I’m so against the idea because I highly doubt getting Dawwwwight is going to happen. I’m not a natural optimist, and don’t wanna get my hopes up. But can you imagine the number of different plays that can open up off of a Howard screen?
"We wish Jordan were 7-feet, but he isn't. There just wasn't a center available. What can you do? Jordan isn't going to turn this franchise around. I wouldn't ask him to. He's a very good offensive player, but not an overpowering offensive player." Rod Thorn, then Bulls general manager, after drafting Michael Jordan
by AerialAssault on Dec 11, 2011 5:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I get it man, I swear I know exactly who Dwight Howard is
I just don’t necessarily agree with “i dont care what you have to give up for him. you do it.” I believe the deal is fair with either the Charlotte pick OR Mirotic and gutting most of the team.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
I was replying to sin
I think we agree :)
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
OH!
i read your quotes as you actually saying it haha.
but yeah no need to throw ridiculous offers at him when the other offers are Bynum straight up or Lopez and some late picks.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
exactly
If the offer is already better than the other teams, why the overkill? At some point it just becomes bidding against ourselves, no? and if he really doesn’t want to come here, then screw him. We’ll win without him.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone else feel like we should trade Mirotic while his potential is still high?
People who have never even seen him play love him. A lot of the European guys don’t end up working out for various reasons. If we can get a significant piece, I say we don’t hesitate to use him to get it
give them the charlotte pick
it’s so far out in the future that it would ultimately have little impact on us if we get howard. Mirotic will probably be available in 2-ish years to be in the states. we’re going to be in “win now” mode if we get howard.
get your noah-howard scenarios on
dougthonus Doug Thonus
Told at media day BYC rules changed. Noah not BYC. RT @BullsBlogger: without letting readers know about Noah’s BYC.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 3:58 PM CST reply actions 9 recs
WHA??????
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
wow
If the org doesn’t get something done here, THEN can we rag on them about it?
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 11, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
Yfbb was getting pissed that KC wouldnt mention Noah's BYC...
But I knew there was a reason he wasn’t mentioning it.
make it rain, Lu
dougthonus Doug Thonus
Deng said he’s been working heavily on three pooint shooting this off season.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
we need him rested as much as possible this season
we cant afford to play him 42 mins a game.
3 point shooting?? wtf? what was wrong with his 3 point shooting?
maybe work on something like dribbling and being able to create a shot…..
Should've traded for Melo.
make sense in theory but those things are very difficult to learn at his age
I can’t think of a player that learned that at Lu’s age
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Jason Kidd. Rip Hamilton.
Deng is still 25.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
This is Deng's 8th season, he's not going to become Iguodala with respect to ballhandling.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
sorry misread.
his ball handling was a lot better last year though.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Kidd and Rip both could dribble and learned to shoot
I think the point was he needs to improve his ballhandling and not shooting, and you provided examples of people doing the opposite.
Not trying to mock, just saying Kidd & Rip improved at shooting and the whole point was Deng is an OK shooter, but needs to become a decent ball handler.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Deng is going to be an all star this year
i think he added some confidence to his shot creation game by playing for Britain this offseason
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I misread.
but Deng last year showcased improved ball handling all the same.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:03 PM CST up reply actions
He only shot 34.5% last year. There's still considerable room for improvement there.
He’s never going to be much more than an average ballhandler/creator, may as well work on something he has the potential to be very, very good at.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
By then Jamal should be signed so it will be do or die
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
#Pistons still haven’t officially waived Hamilton. Waivers take 48 hours. Barring unexpected snag, guessing Rip at #Bulls camp midweek.
WTF ARE THEY WAITING FOR?
Sorry I just got a Blog-a-Bron flashback…
by cubbybear on Dec 11, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
man its going to suck for noah being so pumped up right now if he gets traded
Should've traded for Melo.
yeah, i know getting howard would be so fuckin awesome
but at the same, i have that sentimental fanboism for Noah, and Deng.
I bet Rose has too and already let the FO know
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions
i mean, we sometimes forget these guys are human beings
but as playing pretend GMs, we used them as mere “pieces” of the puzzle. Im sure these guys are very good friends and it would def hurt them.
that's part of the business though.
they’re professionals, and as such as expected to acts as professionals. You can’t take cuts or trades personally or it affects your game.
I'll become like the Hinrich-philes and begin stalking the Magic blog if Noah's traded
He’s by far my favorite player in the NBA. That said, getting Howard and a lump of coal in my stocking would make this the greatest Christmas of all.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
same
Noah would be more than anyone else. His whole, like, stoner hippie ism, and his whole, like, correct winner’s attitude, and his whole game built on being a skinny tall dude and having an awkward shot…. I mean. I see why other’s hate him. He’d be my favorite non-Bull by far and away. I’d still vote for him to go to the all star game, even if we got howard. because howard would definitely go… and Jo…. Jooooo
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
i don't understand the hinrich thing.
but yeah, i would be like that too.
by obnoxious american on Dec 11, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
But, hey, there'd be plenty of cap room for "flexibility"!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Id have to believe Rose would become best buds with him and not let him leave
by Option27 on Dec 11, 2011 4:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I love how basketball talk has devolved into
who’s friends with who. But he’s friends with him! I’m sure they’d become friends eventually! Lets just put them on the same team and watch the magic happen.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Now it essentially comes down to
whether the Bulls would pull the trigger on a deal that sends out Noah+other stuff for Howard without a long-term commitment from him, because I really think the Bulls have by far the best package to offer Orlando.
Figure ... Noah, Taj, Brewer, picks and Charlotte's pick for Dwight and Hedo?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I think Deng would have to be involved to match salaries
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 11, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
he wouldn't
Orlando sheds Hedo’s contract and can start building around a line-up of Nelson/JRich/QRich/Davis/Noah. Young,cheap, and flexible. They can target a small forward in the draft, who usually translate well into the pros and shed some salary to chase free agent next summer.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
They would really be stupid not to offer it with Noah allowed
If Lakers aren’t giving up Gasol and Bynum, Bulls have the best package. They easily trump New Jersey’s offer.
As much as I love Jo, I’d get over it quick
by Option27 on Dec 11, 2011 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure I'm being just a bit biased
but I still think the Bulls have better package of young assets and picks to offer Orlando than Bynum+Gasol, though the quality of the Bulls deal would probably decline without some kind of commitment from Howard – which is why the Bynum+Gasol package would probably win out.
Hm?
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
And to Gar and Pax. RT @JoshuaBRobbins: Isn’t it strange DHoward apparently isn’t interested in trade to Bulls? Please explain that to me.
8 minutes ago
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:34 PM CST reply actions
DRose weighs in on the "market."
ESPNChiBulls Nick Friedell
DRose on recruiting: “Chicago speaks for itself”
8 minutes ago
chicagobulls Chicago Bulls
D-Rose on Chicago: "The city speaks for itself. Opportunities are here. Our front office is great and our fans are the best in the world."
8 minutes ago
Kid’s a politician.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Come on down Dwight
Chicago never forgets who wins them championships
by jayr67 on Dec 11, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
there it is
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
DRose: “The team is good. I wouldn’t trade my teammates for anything in the world.” #Bulls
by shutupdrogba on Dec 11, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
But he has to say that.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
See to me Rose will say that, but the front office on the other hand wouldn't.
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Anyone in that situation should say that, but
(a) some aren’t smart enough to
(b) I always get the feeling from Derrick that he really means it
yeah, it would be fuckiin stupid if he were to say
“howard is a winner. I would love to have him on my team.” if the trade fails, that would really suck for rose and his chemistry bonds with noah and the team.
Pretty much.
He comes out looking like the good guy if Noah and Deng did get traded.
And then, if Dwight is there, he’ll say, “I love Dwight. We both want to wee-un. He’ll fit in great with Thibs’ defensive mentality. We’ll be ready to roll.”
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
At what cost would you trade for Howard without an extension?
Would you give up Noah, Deng, Taj, Omer, and a couple # 1’s, while taking on Hedo’s contract? It’s a huge risk.
it's a bad risk
rose would not be very happy if we roll the dice and lose now would he?
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
I say, if the Bulls could get a deal done by 12/31, then they would have a significant advantage of resigning him.
Rose/Watson
Hamilton/Korver
Brewer/Korver/Butler
Boozer?
Howard/?
by TooMuch2Gain on Dec 11, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'd really hope the Bulls can keep either Taj or Omer.
I’d be worried playing Boozer + Howard 40 minutes a night.
by TooMuch2Gain on Dec 11, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
What would the lineup look like after that?
Howard/?
Boozer/Scal
Hedo/Korver/J Butler/Brewer
Rip/Brewer
Rose/CJ
Definitely need to pick up some spare parts for frontcourt depth, especially since Booze and Dwight can get in to foul trouble.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Dec 11, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Howard's averaged 36 mpg and 3.3 pf/g for his career. He can get in foul trouble but does spend a lot of time on the court
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
Dont you make the move for Howard even without signing him ti an extention?
Considering it gets you from out underneath the contracts of possibly Deng and Noah and freeing up caproom for the future.
yeah but then you have to go through another year of building
and get the chemistry back. Not to mention winning makes everything okay if we go through a couple years of being the 4th or 5th seed after Howard leaves our current era of bulls team could be gone.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
and by that I mean
i wouldn’t trade for him without a guaranteed extension
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
Derrek is only 23....I dont see how having cap room could hurt you other than chemistry...
issues. Him playing here that wouyld at the very least make it to the Eastern Conference finals. I could’nt see him turning down an opertunity to become the best point center combo since Magic and Kareem.
yeah but once again what if he leaves?
it’s not like the team we currently have was easy to build. We have the strongest 1-5 in the nba if we get Rip Hamilton.
That doesn’t happen overnight no matter how much cap space you have.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Definitely
not to mention we have a lottery prospect coming in a couple years and a lottery draft pick coming soon.
and basically our whole team still has some upside
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
The trade you offer Orlando is
Noah, Asik, Brewer, Korver, Watson and the Charlotte pick for Howard and Hedo. They don’t want Deng’s contract. Why would they? They would be tied in long term with a lesser team than the one they currently have. The Bulls would than either trade or amnesty boozer
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 4:48 PM CST reply actions
In that scenario you'd have to play Hedo.
which is a huge negative.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Are you serious?
You don’t like that deal because the Bulls would have to play Hedo? With a lineup of Rose-Hamilton(?)-Deng-Boozer-Howard, who cares if Hedo gets approx. 20-24 mpg?
watching Hedo play makes me want to puke
seriously one of the laziest players in the league
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
he seriously found a way to be an NBA player
without ever running
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions
Just saying Hedo sucks
and I’d hate to watch him play.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Hedo's egregiously overpaid, but he's not useless
He’d make a pretty solid 6th man due to his versatility.
Pat Riley is the devil.
yeah he has some skills
he’s just lazy as hell
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
you can't amnesty Boozer if you get Howard
they are like best friends, and Howard unlike Rose is one of those players who values his career beyond basketball and fun with his buddies more than actual basketball.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
than amnesty Deng
doesn’t make a difference if you have Howard.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
according to trade machine the salaries STILL dont match
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions
is the trade machine still set to 125% of incoming value?
I thought it was 150% now
love the new tagline
now time to get tipsy!
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
haha just noticed. I thought it was gonna be "we are the 1.7%"
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
meh, howard is also friends with deron williams and many other players
but ur right, boozer and him are probably the closest friends i can think of. i mean for God sakes, they let each other share their own house, lmao
haha yeah i had a good laugh when i heard about that
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
I still think Howard ends up in LA when its all said and done
It’s the limelight that he covets the most.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Then sources are wrong.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
ah yes, the very concise "you're wrong because I'm right" argument.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Seriously,
You don’t believe the Lakers would not change their mind if getting Howard was a serious option?
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
they know they are one of the serious consideration for howard
however, trading off odom hurted their chances. they fucked up
I think they're going to get Howard giving up one of them.
And thus, I think you are being silly, and the fact that your argument is “you’re wrong” is a perfect example of you being so silly. So so silly.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
Actually that's been reported today by various reporters
by bryield on Dec 11, 2011 5:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
thibs is crazy
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
DRose and Kyle Korver both talking about how Thibs bought stationary bikes for players to ride while team watches film. #Bulls
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 4:52 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
i love our coach
i mean, the man really is a true basketball junkie.
Im pretty sure Thibs
spent the lockout practicing various defensive schemes with Berto Center janitor.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
hell yeah
whatever it takes to shove it up the heat’s ass.
by obnoxious american on Dec 11, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
oh yeah
he’s one of the fastest 7 footers I’ve ever seen, and he has great instincts.
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Health is a concern, but he has the ability to dominate defensively
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Why is health a concern?
He came back from the hairline fracture fairly quickly and played well a the Euros.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
if I'm right i think he's had some ongoing knee issues
since he was younger but i don’t think it’s been a problem..
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
I honestly think Asik is the only guy in the league who can play Howard straight up
he did a great job against him last year in a game we won in Orlando.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
when someone is released, every other team in the league has a chance to pick up that exact contract
this process is called “waivers”. worse teams have higher priorities – ie if the Bulls and the Raptors both filed a claim, guess what? The Raptors are getting the player.
With Rip, the reason why he is expected to clear waivers is this: although several teams would want him, no one wants him ON THAT CONTRACT.
This is also why it was such a big deal that was he is getting Bought out rather than Amnestied.
In a Buy out, the current team agrees to let him go, as long as he allows the team who possess that contract to pay less money.
In an Amnesty, the team pays the full contract, and he goes through the waivers process… but the teams bid on the player. Ie, Rip would go through waivers, and whoever would pay him the most, gets him. This money comes out of the old contract, and he earns the same amount he would’ve before, just from 2 different teams, on the single contract.
For this reason, it is a big deal that Rip was bought out and instead of amnestied. It also a big deal that Chauncey was amnestied rather than waived. If he was waived, it is more doubtful a non-contending team would take him and he would likely go to the Heat ASAP. He was amnestied, though, so any team could have him for virtually any price they want above the veteran’s minimum.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
by dantheman3k on Dec 11, 2011 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
pretty sure i'm late with this again but
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
one good thing is BIbby and Crawford don't have a chance in hell of guarding Rose
just needs to draw fouls on chandler
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
not bad
bibby/fields/Melo/STAT/Chandler is going to be fun to watch when we beat them in five games.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
Bibby's a glorified spot up shooter at this point in his career.
I love it when the the narrative-chasing intuition monkeys get involved.
-Brian Burke, Advanced NFL Stats
well its d'antoni's offense
everyone needs to shoot. Plus you have STAT and Melo who are going to dominate the ball.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
actually amar'e wasn't too bad until melo came to town.
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
i know
but the remains of Bibbys talents shouldn’t look too bad in an offense that would make him the 4th option offensively AND give him a free pass on defense.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Read BaB from last April
Apparently Bibby was the missing piece. No wait, that was Mike Miller. Or was it Eddie House? No no, it was a returning Haslem! Wait, it’s Norris Cole! But now it’s Battier…
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 11, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
NORRIS COLE IS A GOD!!
WCG's Resident Nickelback and Boy Band fan
Also rated Worst WCG Blogger by Dr. Steven Schweickert's extensive "Total BR" (Blogger Rating)
"Oh Dilfer, give me the strength...
to be as bad a WCG Contributor as you are an announcer/authority on anything. Peace be with you. " (JoetheBoss)
you know they won the series right?
just curious
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 8:36 PM CST up reply actions
you guys would honestly trade away almost our entire bench for howard and turkoglu? noah, korver, brewer, asik AND first rounders?
come on… the most we should give is like noah, gibson, deng MAYBE korver/brewer for howard or turk… and it would be even better if we didnt have to take turk, but i guess if we HAVE to….
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:29 PM CST reply actions
reply fail
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
if the Bulls are willing to take Hedo along with Howard
I think it gets the job done. They lose Howard, but they would have shed 2 bad contracts this season in Hedo and Arenas. Pretty much once they lose Howard, the next objective would be to get the hell away from the luxury tax.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
If you're not including Deng
then you need to include almost our entire bench to make the salaries match. We’re not getting Howard without taking back Turkoglu too.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
see, this is why a three team trade is the only possible way
no way can a howard trade not happen without a thrid team invovled
you gave up more in your 2nd trade
young players and picks is what they will want
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
so basically noah and the entire bench mob rather than noah and deng?
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
they won't want Deng in my opinion
why would they want his contract. That won’t get a deal done.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
so do you assume we’d need to take turk as well? i dont even think we have enough salary to match if we dont trade deng or boozer along with noah
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
i personally believe they'd rather keep Turk than have Deng for
an extra year. But yes, i think we have to take back Turk
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
i did your trade above (noah/asik/korver/watsonbrewer for howard/turk) and we still need to shed $3 million
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:41 PM CST up reply actions
I posted this above
Bulls Bench + Noah for Howard +Turk
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
i'd rather to keep taj b/c I think he will be cheaper and he can play with
Dwight. Together they’d probably form the best defensive frontcourt in the league.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
maybe. I just think you keep one
Either Taj or Asik.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
well fuck, so after that we’ll only have howard, turk, boozer, rose, deng, hamilton? we’ll be in an even worse position than the heat… fill out 8-10 positions with vet minimums?
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Asik and Butler too.
but I think we should throw in Asik instead of Taj
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 11, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions
worse position? You do realize they won that series last year right?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
i meant salary-wise. like how everyone says “oh the heat have to fill in garbage outside of the big 3 contracts”. we would struggle with salaries wouldnt it?
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Our roster would look like this:
Rose/?
Rip/Butler
Deng/Turk
Boozer/Taj
Howard/?
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 11, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
The two positions in which we don't have backups
are the two positions that won’t be subbed out much in the playoffs. Just sign a few vet min contracts for insurance and we’re golden
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 11, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions
I think you'd flip Hedo for something.
a couple role players. Bulls would probably have to take back a crappy salary but can get a couple plays who can give you some minutes. Turkoglu has international appeal, so maybe a team like the nets takes him on and we can get something like farmar/morrow/outlaw in return.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
Outlaw and Farmar's contracts are bad too though
So it would be one bad contract for a couple bad ones and a decent one (Morrow)
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
yup
although, I think this lineup:
Rose/Farmar
Hamilton/Morrow/Head
Deng/Outlaw/Butler
Boozer/Gibson/Scalabrine
Howard
is pretty deep. we would just need a body or two to spell Howard.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Bulls would probably have to take back a crappy salary but can get a couple plays who can give you some minutes
hedo is the crappiest salary of them all
and we’d have him for 3 years
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
2 years
he has a team option on the 3rd
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Sucks we can't amnesty players that are traded to us
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 11, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
no it doesn't work on traded players
only on contracts that were on your team prior to the new cba
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
well i think you can flip Turk for a few bench players
but if you have to, theres Deng you can move.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
a little optimistic there
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:51 PM CST up reply actions
Turkoglu is a name
Outlaw is nothing, has no appeal and is on a longer albeit smaller contract.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
too bad we can't trade him back home
to the Turkish league
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 11, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
TURKOGLU FOR ALLEN IVERSON?
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I'd pretty much trade everyone except Rose
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 7:23 PM CST up reply actions
Teams paying big for their bigs - we're so losing Asik and Taj
johnschuhmann John Schuhmann
DeAndre Jordan: Only guy to score 500+ points last season without a single one coming from outside paint. Worth $43M for that trivia
no, we're trading Asik
and going into the tax to resign taj
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
see:
daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley says team will match the 4-year, $55M offer sheet from Houston on Marc Gasol. Check out the Hang Time Blog.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
i just dont think its worth trading away the entire bench for howard and fucking turkoglu.
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:56 PM CST reply actions
hey on the brightside
there’s a good chance he doesn’t resign !
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
I’d do that in a heat beat.
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by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
heart* even
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 11, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
GOD DAMN IT REPLY FAIL AGAIN
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
CP3 to LA... the other LA
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
CP looking to join Clippers since NYK and Lakers look unlikely. Clips and Hornets talking trade.
i knew it and i called it after the deal was off wit hthe lakers
lets go Clippers!
Did you predict the sun is going to come up tomorrow too?
by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
if anyone had the right players to offer
it was the clippers. they were in the paul hunt too. I thought the lakers were going to get him, but even since the stern cock block came to the rescue, Clippers had the right players to offer for paul.
and no need to be an ass dude, lol.
Yes..and it's that reason your prediction is so unimpressive.
We all had this information and came to the same conclusion.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
sorry, never intended to impress anyone with saying "predicted"
just satisfied that there is a team besides the lakers finally having a chance to get a top 3 pg like Paul
Gordon/Aminu/Kaman
for CP3
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 6:44 PM CST up reply actions
thats a dead on fair trade
clippers are gonna be good
Hornets getting greedy
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Hornets asking for E Gordon, Kaman, Bledsoe, Aminu and 2 1st round picks, sources say
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 11, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I would too if I were dealing with the Clips front office
let’s see how dumb they are.
To be clear, I would need more than CP3 in the deal to part with Gordon. Gordon is soon to be the #2 2 guard in the league while the second CP3 slips on the red, white and blue his knee is going to explode.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Dec 11, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
If they manage to keep Gordon, they could be on the same level of OKC.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 11, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
i dont care how many awesome players they have
they are being coached by vinny
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 11, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
If I remember correctly, the Clippers assured Gordon
that he wouldn’t be included in any trades.
If I was the Clippers, I’d give anything and everything to keep Gordon and sport a Cp3/EG/BG core.
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 11, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Why would Orlando take our offer?
Sure, it’s probably the best package of talent, but why do they want Noah and Deng’s salaries? Don’t they want to try and rebuild? The team they’d have left is a 4-6 seed for the next three years, and not really a contender at all. If I was them, I’d hold out for a combination of young talent and picks similar to what the Clippers can offer for CP3. Do the Magic really want to be the Hawks?
Value
Orlando wants to move Turkoglu in any Howard deal so thats about 29 million dollars worth of salaries. How many teams have signifigant cap room, young players and likely lottery picks to give up?. Even with the Bulls trade the Magic still save money. Howard can make 20 million a year compared to Noah’s 12. Plus Orlando is paying Richardson less money this season than last and they amnestied Arenas. Throw in the bobcats pick which should be in lottery if not top 5.
by squadron supreme on Dec 11, 2011 6:58 PM CST reply actions
I blame the lockout for so many people failing to use the reply button.
Not just the players that are out of shape.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2011 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
I hate Stern
New info on CP3/Clippers: since Stern vetoed LAL deal, offer will have to be clearly better. May have to include Gordon & Minn pick to pass.
So the only way Stern will ok the deal is if Eric Gordon is included in trade? (I mean it will probably take that anyways, but still). smh….
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this is ridiclous
this is absolute bs. wtf! I think the players are going to go on a strike after this.
My understanding...
Gordon will only be included if CP3 opts into his contract next season…that way, they would be guaranteed to keep him for more than 66 games.
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Per Brian Windhorst
"@WindhorstESPN
In Orlando, just finished talking with Dwight Howard. Said trade demand stemmed from team not acting on his personnel suggestions."
I guess Howard wasn’t a fan of the Arenas trade?
by bryield on Dec 11, 2011 7:26 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I would LOVE to know some of those suggestions
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
I bet he wanted Jameer dealt earlier
And he probably wasn’t a fan of some of the contracts handed out by Otis (e.g., Duhon, Redick), if I had to guess.
by bryield on Dec 11, 2011 7:43 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
"NO dammit!"
I SAID DON’T BRING BACK HEDO"
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by ThorCo on Dec 11, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
They didn't keep Bogans?
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If he wants to play amaetuer GM then no wonder Chicago
isn’t on his list.
by Scotter on Dec 11, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
More from KC
"@KCJHoop
With DHoward’s camp making clear his preferred destinations don’t include #Bulls, don’t be surprised to see them reach out to Joel Pryzbilla"
by bryield on Dec 11, 2011 7:39 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
If there's one thing the Bulls are good at, it's moving on to Plan B
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if we're being honest,
they probably start with Plan B
by bryield on Dec 11, 2011 7:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 4 recs
There is an EXCELLENT FO/Plan B joke here
The Bears have me at a loss of wit at the moment.
lol from Howard to Pryzbilla
rollin’ with Joel.
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 11, 2011 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Man, after rereading that quote, it's even shittier than i first thought
So, the Bulls must’ve made a push to try and get Howard to change his mind, but he reinforced his position that he won’t play here. What a fuckhead. There has to be something going on between him and Rose, because that just seems odd. Who passes up the opportunity to play in the third largest market, on a team that is ready made to win titles?
Oh well, whatever. He’s a goofy jagoff anyway. The rings would’ve been nice, but he would’ve been tough to root for. (and I’d miss Noah)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
what an asshole.
no way, winning sucks bro.
by obnoxious american on Dec 11, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
why the hell was KC stoking the fires earlier?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
He's obviously very tight with the front office
So it was probably something that they wanted the public to know. They come out looking a lot better if people know they tried. And in this case, it sounds like it’s all truth. They wanted him, and he doesn’t want to be here
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
This is why im mad at Dwight
for not even considering us a young contending team. A smart person would at least think it over
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
i categorize howard in the same class as Melo and Amare
Idk, theres something i jus dont like bout those players.
I feel your frustration,
but I still feel Howard is a step above those knuckle heads. Maybe it is the Black Superman smile…
How do you know he didn't think it over?
In fact, given this is likely the biggest decision of his life, I suspect he has…long and hard.
New signature coming...but its a process.
same, going to the game on jan 3rd
who’s coming?!
I'm probably looking forward to the pre-season
more than I ever have before. It’s been a long time without basketball.
by bryield on Dec 11, 2011 7:49 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Lol
First time I saw Kurt Thomas box out George Mikan, I knew he had skills
Inside Hoops
by jayr67 on Dec 11, 2011 7:51 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
can someone explain to me why the FUCK the lakers traded odom for a draft pick????????
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 7:52 PM CST reply actions
I assume they were trying to clear cap room for Howard
by Rose Colored Goggles on Dec 11, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
idk wth to believe then
multiple sources say they are not gonna give up bynum and gasol for howard. I mena, they got draft picks, but wth are they going to do with it?
Odom wanted out after the cancelled trade.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 11, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
wow, just look at how much damage stern has caused to the lakers
not that im pitying them, but it really shook the lakers team
Ohhh, Odom's hurt because he was getting shipped out
For a high-value point guard to accompany the face of the franchise. He must’ve thought marrying Khloe gave him Hollywood cred.
as of right now, its gotta be
preseason is nearing and im sure alot of these guys are working overtime
Everyone juss stop paying attention to jbj
by Option27 on Dec 11, 2011 8:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
why because he's being realistic about the chances of getting a player
that doesn’t want to play here?
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If he doesn't want to play here
Then he doesn’t want to play here. We gotta move on
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
yup
can you imagine the shit storm if we traded for Dwight and lost Noah and whoever else, then he left….everyone would be screaming about the FO shortsightedness. If they can trade for him and he signs an extension, super, if he won’t, forget him, we made the ECF without him.
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If the Bulls gave up what they'd have to in order to get him and
He left, the Bulls would pretty much be like the Hornets(minus being owned by the league of course)…a mediocre team with a great PG who’s pissed off.
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
yup
I’d rather keep this team intact for the long term, then rent out Howard and hope he changes his mind about leaving
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beyond miniscule.
this team’s front office is absolutely risk adverse.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
dont you know how it works?
if someones realistic, they get called a troll who hates the team
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
Is that what's buggin him?
I don’t think I said anything too crazy about the Howard situation.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
so who is currently on the Bulls
Rose/Watson/JLIII
Brewer/Korver
Deng/Butler
Boozer/Taj/Scal
Noah/Asik
with Hamilton on the way (presumably), Bogans chilling on the sidelines until the Bulls decide what to do w/him and Head in camp for kicks. Is the roster pretty much set? I hope we can get Pryz. I don’t like Scal as our 5th big.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 9:04 PM CST reply actions
Word 'round the KC Johnson bucket...
Is that Bogans will be future endeavored & Bulls will look at Pryz after the Holidays, as he wants to spend the time with his family.
New signature coming...but its a process.
"future endeavored" what does that mean?
i guess they have a week to decide still
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
I believe "future endeavored" is just WWE parlance for "getting fired"
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Pryzbilla would be fantastic
Only problem with him is, he’s almost too good to fill that 5th big role. You have to wonder if he’d sign up for that
Other than that though (and Hamilton), yeah that appears to be the roster
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 9:19 PM CST up reply actions
Ya think?
I think he’s one of the better backup bigs around. Big, tough, defensive player. What’s don’t you like? (Although I know he’s had some serious injury issues recently, and I’m kinda basing that off my opinion from a year or two ago)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, I guess not "terrible" for a 5th big
With his injuries and the way he finished last year, I just fear he is toast.
This is why D12 won't fit with the Bulls...
Howard has said that one of his reasons for wanting to move on from the only NBA franchise he’s ever known is that he wants more of a “voice” in team decisions.
Soooo
he want’s his ass kissed?
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
As long as it's at his discretion
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 11, 2011 9:09 PM CST up reply actions
I'm done.
The team is always more important than the individual. Let Dwight “speak” somewhere else. Sad part is I don’t think he’s a bad guy.
Does
he think he’s bigger than the team or something?
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Since when do star players not have an impact on who they get?
by Stacey_Is_King on Dec 11, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
I just don't like the reasoning
Young contending team, and you’re not even interested, dont even want to think it over. Just rubs me the wrong way, it’s his opinion he can do what he wants but still. Don’t like it
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
More importantly, it's bullshit
If his only concern was, having more say in personnel decisions, I’m sure his preferred list of suitors would be a lot bigger than three teams.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's a pretty established fact.
But the organization coming to a player and saying, “hey, we think this guy can really do something for us. what do you think?” and a player saying (more or less), “I want to choose where I play, and choose who I play with,” are two different things.
It's hard to be heard with Van Gundy yelling all the time
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then become a gm after you retire
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by ThorCo on Dec 11, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
DING DING DING
We have a winner!
That is exactly why he wouldn’t want the Bulls
To be fair, the Magic did make some crappy moves, that did set them back a wasted a couple of Dwights prime years
If he was totally against them and the Org moved forward anyway? that ployoff exit last year would have stung that much more.
If you are a winner at heart and a hard worker, you don’t need to be a pre-madonna for that to sour a relationship and feel you need to move on.
He may not nessesarity want LeBron\Cleveland control, but just wants some input?
I think the real issue with us is that, I think even if he thinks he could receive that input here (which he probably wouldn’t) he’d feel he would still be second fiddle to DRose (which he probably would be)
What happens if they wanna trade for someone, Howard wants to bring in one guy, but DRose doesnt agree? I think just the though of that situation makes Howard think twice about coming here.
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Interesting thoughts.
In regards to one particular, I’m not sure D Rose cares about who the organization brings in just yet. I could be wrong though….
I agree, but thats DRose.
I’m just speculating on Howards mentality based on the article.
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pre-madonna!
oh, oh my lord.
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by boyonthedock on Dec 11, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I was simply pointing out that he may not have been a female pop superstar before Madonna!
lol
fml
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yeah, let’s let the guy who didn’t go to college be the voice of decision making
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by MichaelClutchtree on Dec 11, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
AHHHHHHH
Boozer is so tiny
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OMG
he looks smaller than Deng??!?!?!!?
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I saw that too
Deng does look jacked, and we have out resident hipster in CJ Watson…must be something with guards that have played in Golden State
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Brewer looked pretty jacked, too!
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Great shots
This is the “Looks like there were no big moves during the FA again” pose
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 11, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Or "Hey Taj"
“Where is our Shooting Guard?”
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by ThorCo on Dec 11, 2011 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
The Turkish God of Thunder looking down on all of us mere mortals
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 10 recs
I can't see his legs
must be floating on a cloud
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by ThorCo on Dec 11, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did he put on some muscle?
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 11, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
probably bench pressed bronze statues of himself in Turkey
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by ThorCo on Dec 11, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 12 recs
Holt shit Carlos!
That is some serious offseason work been done there
wow.
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yeah. I mean, like, he might not be in "basketball shape" yet
but he sure as hell kept busy in the off-season.
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by dantheman3k on Dec 11, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
I think Booz gets it
He was the weak link. No excuses, fix it and let’s go. If the front office makes a move they make a move, but either way the fucking Heat need to be kicked to the curb
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by dantheman3k on Dec 11, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Thank god CJ grew that Malcolm X beard.
He looked like a child last season.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 11, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
yeah it looks nice
looks better from the side than straight on, but def nice.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 11, 2011 10:29 PM CST up reply actions
"Some people think I have no life outside basketball
But in my spare time I enjoy levitating spherical objects with my superior coaching mind."
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 11, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
this looks like a man
with a very large collection of pornography
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
guh, this really should've been its own thread
it’s a waste down here!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 11, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, the bulls should make a reasonable offer and if he turns that down, keep moving on
Like Rip Hamilton and Pryzbilla is a good replacement for Kurt Thomas
Going back to the Jamal Crawford topic
I am baffled the Bulls wouldn’t trade our non-guaranteed contracts of bogans, pargo, and JL3 for Crawford for only 5 mil (even if it is for 4 years).
ya know
its not just the Bulls that have to want to trade right? Why would Atlanta want our trash, even if it is non-guarenteed.
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agree, has to be korver/watson as was speculated before
Some combination like that. I could see Pargo, Lucas, Bogans being thrown in to make it work for salary reasons, that can’t be the whole trade.
Just so I'm clear...
Sources said Joel Przybilla could be contacted. The veteran center has said he wants to spend the holidays with his family in Wisconsin before making a decision on his future.
“Even if it’s from a practice standpoint, it’s hard to go through a season with four bigs,” Forman said of Carlos Boozer, Joakim Noah, Omer Asik and Taj Gibson. “That’s something we’re still taking a look at. If we don’t address it right away, we’ll address it down the road.”
(emphasis mine, link to KC’s article)
This is a “it’s difficult to go through a season with only four bigs” statement, right? Not a “it’s difficult to go through a season with four bigs, so we may look into moving one of them” statement?
i don't mean to be a dick
but why exactly does Joel P want to spend the holiday with his family? There has to be something going on. This is a million dollar job. Perhaps the injuries have caught up with him.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
maybe because his family is in Wisconsin
and He’s been across the country in Portland most of the time and he legitimately wants to spend the holidays with his family
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nah, not buying it
what was he doing during the lockout? I mean maybe its like a family issue, father sick or something. but it isn’t normal for someone to just say “you know, I’ll join a team when i get around to it.”
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Brett Favre
cough cough cough
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Joel Favrbilla?
Doesn’t really roll off the tongue.
Well there's going to be a job for him either way..
When’s the last time this guy wasn’t working during the holiday season? 10+ years.. and he’s made over 40 million in his career. He’s probably in no rush to be someone’s 5th big man.
by Grinder in Training on Dec 11, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously.
For the first time in his adult life, he can enjoy the fucking holidays like a normal person…fighting with in-laws and pretending to care. He will have a million dollar job waiting for him in January if he wants it.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
my only point was that he could retire
can we stop pretending like Pryz has been working in a coal mine. He spends every holiday with his family, he can fly them anywhere. He has played 66 games in 2 seasons. In 11 years he has played 82 games 1 time. I don’t think he is the only NBA player who has or cares about family.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Its hard to spend the Holidays with your family...
When you are in working in the Bay Area on Christmas.
Your point is right…he could retire. Especially considering the salary he has earned and his injury history.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe there's something going on with his family?
Who knows.
But if he decides to play this season, I think the Bulls reaching out to him is a great idea. Close to home, and he’d be on a good team (that no one other than Rip wants to play for, but still). Even with the injuries, it would be hard for the Bulls to do better.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 11, 2011 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
right, he's the 5th big, the 10th/11th guy on the roster
and a good replacement for K. Thomas. Add in Rip & Jamal (possibly) and we’re all set.
Mike Maddux supposedly didn't take the Cubs manager job because of family
and his kids are in College. Who know, some people are just different, I guess
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 11, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
pryzbilla is more injury prone than all of our bigs combined.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
The fact that the Bulls have a star player that couldn't care less about
Feeding the egos of other star players is unnerving to those other guys. When we were kids, everyone was weirded out by the kid who was content with shooting free throws by himself, instead of asking to run a pickup game with everyone else. Add that with a front office that still wants to be “the corporation,” and you need more than a little money to convince the kids to come play.
sigh…I hate my generation sometimes.
i have a feeling
Boozer is gonna have a big year
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 10:06 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think he'll get to 20/10
I wonder what Noah’s numbers will look like
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 11, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
i don't think he'll play the minutes to put up 20 ppg
18 and 9
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
gotta keep in mind rip will getting points too
and maybe D Rose improvement in offense will take away some point (30 7 5…KNOCK ON WOOD)
boozer is still the 2nd option
and i expect he will be more efficient this year. thus i think he’ll get to 18 ppg. I doubt Rose shoots enough to get to 30 ppg. I hope he doesn’t
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 11, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
yeah the new SG will score around 14-16
gives the starting 5 nice balance
by walterfan34 on Dec 11, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
shoots 51 percent from the field!
by 20 attempts a game!
20/20
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
im kinda glad we're keeping the band together
yeah, i know, i know, things will look different in May when we’re playing the Heat again, but besides Derrick, Noah is my favorite NBA player, and I really love this team.
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 11, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think adding someone like Rip, we'll see a significant improvement.
Having Bogans as a starter and just being subbed off early, is pretty much bullshit.
It’s just some weird share for the SG job atm and thats not a solution that should be kept for the long term in a championship calibre team.
Adding Rip as a starter, gives Brewer a legit backup job and the minutes to go with it and Korver a legit backup to Deng with some fill in SG minutes as is is suited to him, a starting SG just gives everyone a specified role, an expectation and a bar to reach.
Its not just the aquisition of a superstar that can change the dynamic of a team.
That being said, if you cant get one you go for it
lol
But I think were on our way to the finals with a few smart additions.
Lu-Deng Clan Aint Nuttin ta Fuck Wit !
I actually think Brewer will be the starter...
With Rip getting his minutes off the bench. Thibs has shown that he doesn’t like to rock the boat, and stated today that Brewer was getting minutes with the first unit.
I am totally cool with Brewer being the starter, but I prefer the team to operate from a position of defensive strength with energy and scoring off the bench (ie. Rip and Korver).
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
i could see him starting the season that way since brewer knows the system
but long term i dont think it makes sense to start your two wing defenders and then sub in both your scorers.
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 11, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
Thibs doesn't change his lineups mid-season
He said he wasn’t going to do that before last season started, and he stuck to it. Unless there’s an injury, I really doubt this’ll happen.
I think either way the clear definition of roles and expectations will have a large positive impact on the team
Another elite scorer would be fantastic, but we’re still a 62 win team with what we have, we just got figured out and exposed in a playoff series.
Adding dynamics and depth is what gets you through those situations, doing that through the addition of another superstar is one way, role players and stategy is another.
If the org doesn’t think we can realisitically aquire D12, we all just need to move on and add the pieces we need and we’ll be fine.
At the end of the day Orlando, LA, Boston NYK and Miami all got beat in the playoffs with their superstars or ‘superteams’ and a team with a good mixture of stars, vets and role players won it all, so……
Lu-Deng Clan Aint Nuttin ta Fuck Wit !
yeah I like the way Gar/Pax built the team last year as well
Add in Rip Hamilton and maybe J. Crawford, I think we’re even better
im thinking
15ppg
14rpg
2blks
1steal
And the return of him shooting that 10-15 foot jumper ;]
by MartyMondays on Dec 11, 2011 10:18 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The reply button...
I know its still pre-season, but now is the time to practice.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 11, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Looking at the photos and comments from the Bulls players
a TON of work was put in this offseason. Boozer looks great, Deng is jacked, Noah looks a bit more fit and dare I say it…D-Rose looks stronger (though the beard still isnt there, poor guy). I am cautiously optimistic at this point, even without a big FO move.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Don't underestimate Rose.
He may not be enough; that is a possibility. But look at Jordan and how he eventually got the Bulls past the Pistons. Now, I’m not saying Rose is at Jordan’s level, but their competitiveness comes from the same place. Just win. Don’t care how, why, who…just win.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
same, just need consistency from Boozer and Noah
factor mainly being health (knock o nwood)
new thread
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 11, 2011 10:38 PM CST reply actions
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