NBA Rumors: Rip Hamilton in the lead as SG acquisition, Dwight Howard begins exploring trade options
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2011 11:08 AM CST
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PrintNo updates in the past 12 hours (understandable, heh) on Rip Hamilton coming to the Bulls. I'm a fan of the acquisition, despite him not being the perfect fit at the 2, he's an upgrade. And I think there is something to be said for the possibility of him being rejuvenated on a contender, and to him being in many playoff battles before. It doesn't matter as much as, let's say, having more shooting and playmaking skills, but think of him simply trying to do Bogans' job and it is enough to feel pretty good.
I admittedly have a quick-trigger when 'luxury tax' is invoked as a reason to choose a player though. It's a touchy phrase to throw out there, and here's to hoping it's possibly more of a case of Rip requiring only a 2-year deal whereas other acquisitions would need 4 (or 5 in a sign/trade) years.
Because, you know, the flexibility.
But remember that believing the Bulls possess such a mindset is really only 'hope'. While the Bulls having guys on cheap, short contracts puts them in a good position for a huge, high-priced acquisition (Iguodala?) at the trade deadline, or next year's draft, there's been no indication that they actually would do such a thing. The reason could instead simply be that they have 'aligned' deals for Korver, Brewer, Watson, and now possibly Hamilton because they can come off the books in time to pay others (Asik, Taj, Rose's extension), and keep the payroll manageable. And while, of course, we don't know either way, if you're betting on hope for either scenario history suggests its the latter.
And unfortunately, it very likely won't mean a future pitch for Dwight Howard...
The Magic don't seem to know what they're doing (acquiring Big Baby because he's Howard's friend and not trying to get better is a bad sign) and have given their star center permission to work out a trade to another team. On his list, is: Lakers, Nets, and Mavericks. Later in the night KC Johnson tweeted that he was told that Howard 'doesn't want to be with Bulls'.
I previously had the 'screw that, beat the offer and trade for him anyway' mindset, as the Lakers didn't exactly wait for Chris Paul to pine for them before making a move. Howard arrives, Bulls are contenders, he likes the market, the weather, and it not being New Jersey, and he re-signs.
Unfortunately, like the 'Derrick Rose Rule', the new CBA kinda stiffs the Bulls on this one:
Base year compensation
• 2005 CBA: Applies for six months (but no later than June 30) after a player is re-signed with Bird rights or receives an extension of his rookie scale contract, and receives a raise greater than 20 percent. Base year compensation limits the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes.
• 2011 CBA: The criteria for determining whether a player is subject to base year compensation are the same. Players subject to base year compensation cannot be traded before Jan. 15, except in a sign-and-trade. If the trade is allowed, then base year compensation is applied to the player's outgoing salary only in a sign-and-trade transaction.
Joakim Noah falls under BYC designation as his extension is just kicking in (and he signed it last year, so no sign/trade way around it like is suggested above). So, while if you look at the old Trade Machine you can figure out ways to use other salaries to deal Noah for Howard, in the new CBA it's not even possible for Noah to be dealt until the season is already underway.
So, that's a bummer, but it means we can't fault the Bulls for not being 'bolder' on that particular move right now. Questioning that mindset in general principle, to me, seems completely justified.
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Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
NJ and Indy have shown interest in Jamal Crawford. Potential offers on hold until Nene’s situation is settled.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 11:14 AM CST reply actions
Boston and NY will be even tougher
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Side benefit of Boston getting all these PFs, if they do get West: Green can work almost exclusively at the 3, where he is better-suited.
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So far today on sheridanhoops.com: Latest on C.Paul and D.Howard trade talks, plus column on Knicks’ acquisition of T.Chandler.
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 11:15 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Celtics also signed Chris Wilcox!
A guy I like for no real reason.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
He rounded out my starting 5
playing Center for my Dynasty mode in NBA Live 2004. He was a solid rebounder
Unlike the Heat, who've had success
I’m not ready to put the Knicks above anyone. We don’t know if Chandler will even be able to function in the offense and (lack of) defense. Is he going to be the only one playing D? And what has Carmelo done for us in the last 5 years? Besides hold steady a perennial 5 or 6 seed?
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Dec 10, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
spot on
I thought Barea would be the guy getting way overpaid because he was on a championship team, but apparently its Chandler.. I dont see that working with NY at all.
Chandler has a limited offensive skill set and he benefits from being facilitated well (good luck on that with two ballstoppers in Melo and Amara), and admittedly he can be a beast on defense but he plays with 2 dudes who don’t give a shit about that end of the floor.
Also, the knicks will very likely have the worst backcourt in the NBA, plus no bench to speak of, so they’re not going ANYWHERE this year
by Bulls_Bremen on Dec 10, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
Amare and Melo will both average 50 ppg?
by Bulls_Bremen on Dec 10, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
landry fields
MVP
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Let me rephrase
I think Chandler will have no problem replicating the 4.2 points per game they were getting from Ronnie Turiaf
hope he goes to dallas atleast
Let him and la figure it out to d finals
I lay puzzled as I backtrack to earlier times/Nothing's equivalent, to the Bogans state of mind
by Belize on Dec 10, 2011 11:16 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
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Rip closing in on a 2-yr deal with the Bulls…looks like @ESwilley is gonna get her wish!
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a 2 yr deal is geat!
it means he’s tradeable if he proves to not be better than Bogans.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
you kidding
he"s an upgrade on a short deal
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not at all
I would go so far as to say that no Rip Hamilton is better than Rip Hamilton. He is a below average player who is turning 34. His last season that was at least average was in 2007, and even that is the exception for his career. He is below average in most respects for his position, most importantly his EFG%, which is rather important considering that hs is supposed to take off some of the scoring load.
Do you really think we win a title
By replacing one starter who is worse than his backup with another starter who is worse than his backup?
Berri's wins garbage doesn't take into account Rip's USG%
You’ll notice that the last time Rip’s USG% dipped under 25% was 2007-2008, which by some strange coincidence, was the same year that you mention as the last time his eFG% was above average.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 10, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
forget the win score stat
I was just using the image to compare his statistics to an average shooting guard. He is below average in most categories. And yes in 2007 he was average for a shooting guard in regards ot EFG, however, that still leaves him below average for the position. I do not think he is much, if any, of an improvement over Bogans and is definably worse that Brewer.
Rip Hamilton is no better than Rip Hamilton? bold words, sir.
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Let's see what they pay for him first.
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i read it that way initially as well
“no rip hamilton” > “rip hamilton” is how he intended it, I think
Noah will play SG
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by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 11:20 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Even if he's hitting them at 99%, this can never be true
Jo Noah’s jumper looks good
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by snley on Dec 10, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
ahhhh so THIS was the plan
Noah becomes a sharpshooter, we move him to SG, and Asik starts at C next to Boozer
by kpd on Dec 10, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's ridiculous.
Deng to SG, Noah to SF.
It’s like you don’t understand basketball.
:)
by cubbybear on Dec 11, 2011 2:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
KC with the jokes
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As for Rip’s 843 regular-season and 120 playoff gms, someone who knows him said he takes care of body. Also, he’d be lighter: No headband!
Sounds like a lock
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by Fukudometer on Dec 10, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think the owners are going to bitch about Rip coming to the Bulls.
And Thibs said, Let there be three's, and Deng shot threes
And Deng saw the three's, that they were good
And didn't shoot long two's anymore
by windycitywarrior on Dec 10, 2011 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
really?
I wouldn’t put anything past Dan Gilbert.
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by Fukudometer on Dec 10, 2011 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
This signing will make 25 teams
Washington Generals
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Gilbert wont be happy about it, that's for sure. Rip ain't an all-star anymore but he's still a very good player and a legit starting SG
Bulls, who happen to be a major market team, are getting better. Which mean Gilbert is getting sadder.
that's okay
Gilbert has to search pretty hard to find teams worse than the Caveliers
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As much as I am not excited by Rip Hamilton's corpse...
It makes so much sense as a moderate upgrade at the position without the Bulls having to give up any of their own players (who apparently they value highly).
I agree with yfbb, the real question is whether or not the Bulls will make any moves with this flexibility.I will hold out hope they are awaiting Iggy or Kevin Love or someone who would be clear upgrade to come to the market.
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by illwill on Dec 10, 2011 12:06 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
so then.. kevin love or sirboozington?
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I was thinking more along the lines...
Kevin Love is unhappy, forces a trade to Chicago since he is friends with D. Rose, and the Bulls use the amnesty provision on Boozer…
My other pipe dream is somehow trading these “assets” for James Harden.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like a waste of resources
Why not keep Boozer and use the assets you would trade for Love to upgrade at SG?
I am just thinking of future upgrades...
And the benefit of maintaining that flexibility the front office covets. I wouldn’t expect that trade would happen this season…maybe a year or two down the line. Though, I would consider Love an upgrade to Boozer, so if the opportunity presented itself sooner, I would still consider it.
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 10, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
There was a comment in the other thread I wanted to bring up
Basically, the complaint was that Rip’s 3pa per game were very low. I guess the argument is that he can’t be trusted to be a consistent three point threat if he really hasn’t shot them. Well, I disagree. Luol Deng’s 3pa skyrocketed under Thibs system. He still managed to shoot near his career average despite playing a ton of minutes and being asked to do quite a bit on both ends of the floor. Deng’s deep midrange game was always good: over 40% most of his career. Well, Rip’s percentages are even better. There is no reason to think that taking more attempts per game will hurt his solid percentage all that much. Also, Rip has shot more the past few years. He is a safe signing for sure, but an upgrade is an upgrade.
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by DRose01 on Dec 10, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rip was an awful three-point shooter earlier in his career
Like Jason Kidd and so many others, his jump shot has gotten a lot better as his career’s progressed. He’s a very solid three-point shooter now.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Yes.
I remember Rip as being a poor 3 point shooter, but he’s really not bad anymore. No big surprise since he’s always possessed a good jump shot unlike Kidd who used to have an awful shot.
And consider the number of wide fucking open shots Bogans got
Those are the looks Hamilton will be getting.
Rose approves
“He’s got a championship,” Rose said of Hamilton. “It’s great. He knows how to wee-un.”
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/7337987/chicago-bulls-plan-pursue-rip-hamilton
"If you're a fan of the league you should support the NBA owners." Yes, the same owners that jack up ticket prices every year to rake in profits on their hobby and have made it impossible/too expensive for the average working person to attend a game. Ugh, I'm just going to hide out on BAB and avoid any other basketball websites until this thing is over.
Soo... how about that Brandon Roy?
You always were second best! And in this business, Bub, second best don't *cut* it!
Feels bad for him...
but he’s a millionaire, so he’s pretty much settle for the rest of his life if he knows how to manage his money right
by ajayflying23 on Dec 10, 2011 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
not to mention...
its a medical retirement so he still gets paid. Insurance covers the contract for the Blazers.
Hold the phone...
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Unclear how league directive that New Orleans get younger, with more valuable draft picks, would be satisfied.
If the problem for NO in the Paul trade is to get back young/valuable players, couldn’t the Bulls get involved and send some valuable assets to NO for Kevin Martin?
K-Mart with Rip off the bench? Me likey
don’t want to gut the bench though. I’d rather have Rip start and keep our depth than K-Mart start and be shallow as hell.
so roll with hamilton.
maybe the trade deadline is more important anyway.
by obnoxious american on Dec 10, 2011 12:35 PM CST reply actions
God, so many idiots here
All along we’ve wanted someone with a combination of Brewer and Korvers skills, we seem to finally get him (CHEAP TOO!) and everyone is butthurt. This isn’t a long term option but it sure as hell an upgrade!
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 12:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions 9 recs
Someone Younger
I would have preferred Richardson at the position but I’m fine with Hamiltion. Although RIP can’t create his own shot he can still wear down his defender by running around screens and floatiing to open spots on the floor when Rose penetrates. A lot of people wanted the Bulls to sign Ray Allen last year whose game the last couple of seasons is just like Hamiltons only with more threes so I don’t see the problem.
by squadron supreme on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
Like you, I was not impressed by Richardson in Orlando last year
I was expecting him to be a big upgrade over VC and he just wasn’t.
Agreed.
One of the things I’m looking forward to seeing is opposing defenses having to move and respond to Hamilton running off of a bazillion screens. They will not be able to simply have 5 guys attend to Rose at all times, because we will have 5 (yes, including Noah) fairly legitimate scoring options on the floor.
It’s not the most ideal upgrade, but it’s definitely an upgrade.
by bryield on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The fact that he won't just stand at the 3pt line
opens up a lot of offensive possibility.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Defending RIP is nightmare
Does anyone think that Wade, after a grueling season, will be happy to be chasing RIP around the court for an entire series? Think of how much that will help the Bulls if Wade’s offense suffers because is exhausted from being run off screens all game long.
As for those who want someone younger, Hamilton has a reputation for being among the best conditioned players in the league. He’s got size, he’s an intelligent player, he’s won at all levels and he’s hungry to play on a good team again and get the hell away from Detroit.
It’s only 2 years, so yeah, good management tries to maintain flexibility. I have no problem with it.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
except this still doesnt solve the problem of needing someone else to create offense
what are you going to do in the playoffs in fourth quarters when everyone is starting to iso and we cant do shit cause lebron is all over rose?
we need jamal
Should've traded for Melo.
at least he doesn't just stand at the 3 point line
waiting for a pass to maybe come to him. Also, I don;t see how his defender can slack off on him at all. That alone opens up the offense. I’m only thinking Miami here, but who do they send now to double Rose? Deng’s guy? I don’t thin you can leave anyone on the Bulls’ offense if RIP is even close to where he once was.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
id leave deng or rip and force rose to try and pass out of the double
likely ending in a TO esp if its some combination of wade/battier/lebron doubling up on rose
Should've traded for Melo.
I don't see how this doesn't make the offense better
Also, Rose will be better in those situations than last year. Trust me, DWade is already getting a headache thinking about chasing this dude for an entire series.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Battier, Wade and Lebron
aren’t going to be on the court at the same time a lot, I would think. Unless they use Battier at the 4, in which case he’d be guarding Boozer.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
wade/battier/lebron/bosh/haslem
they used that lineup a lot in the playoffs. only usually mike milelr was in there. but now its going to be battier
Should've traded for Melo.
you're right
I don’t know, an older Haslem, an older Battier. Maybe I’m just being too optimistic. I just feel we’ll be able to break them down this year.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
so then wade is on Deng?
Bit of a size mismatch there
He has a
“Guys who can score, but dudes who can’t play defense to save their lives” fetish
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Melo is a top 10-15 player at least.
Crawford is just a guy who shoots a lot and has really smooth handles.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Last 3 seasons games played
67, 46, 55.
Stop pretending it’s 2005. Rip Hamilton clearly on the downswing of his career. He’ll be a solid addition and help fix some issues in the halfcourt but he’s not an All-Star caliber player anymore.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
You realize 2005 Rip Hamilton had a PER of 16
Last year his was 15.8
The year they beat the Lakers in the finals, it was at 16.8
Stop pretending Hamilton suddenly has Steve Francis syndrome
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 1:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, the Bulls have depth at the off guard position,
and can plug in Brewer and Korver without losing all that much, allowing RIP to get rest in during this season’s grueling schedule. I trust Thibs to know that RIP can’t be logging Luol Deng minutes and to keep him fresh for the playoffs.
Yeah, that's another thing that makes this move more palatable
We still have some good options if he isn’t the player we thought he was. Although, if we benched him for Brewer, he might sabotage the entire team
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
He will be splitting a ton of time with Brewer and Korver
It should keep him healthier
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
I wonder if Thibs will put Korver and Rip on the floor together and run a semi-flex
and have all 5 guys setting screens for each other, with Rip getting open 2 point curls and Korver getting open 3s.
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and a pretty good offensive system that 3/5 of that lineup have experience running or would be natural at
Boozer, Rip, Korver.
I imagine Jo would enjoy setting constant screens or being the point-5, too.
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Also wanna point out
I get it, he’s not the exact combination of Brewer and Korvers but he’s as close as you can get out there available. Yeah, he isn’t the youngest guy in the world but he looks like one of those guys who stay in great shape till they’re 40.
I’m so happy about this signing. Yeah I wish he has a bit more handles but outta all the free agents out there, he’s the one with least liability.
Remember, Rose handles the ball most of the time anyways. A guy like RIP is gonna be finding 24 ways in 24 seconds to get open which is what you really need playing next to Rose. It wasn’t necessarily a ball handler that was needed. It was a guy out there that you couldn’t leave open to double on Derrick. Someone to make you pay, RIP is perfect.
Considering this being a short term deal and all the assets left in place, this is so fortunate. I think if he was available before being waived, he would have been the top priority all along and we wouldn’t have even had to read about their interest in all the others.
He has history defending Wade, hitting big shots. Hell, he’s even a nice post player sometimes (rembering all those times Detroit took advantage of the Baby Bulls)!
1 through 5 … Is there anyone in the NBA with a more solid starting lineup? This team does resemble those Pistons teams. I’m sure that’s one of the reasons RIP is so enticed
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 1:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
plus we have a legitimate top 5 superstar in Rose
Pistons never has a superstar on those teams.
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by illwill on Dec 10, 2011 1:06 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
heat wont get billups
some team under the cap will pick him up, they can pay him whatever they like for god’s sake..
If he’ll bitch and says he won’t play (which I doubt), he’s still a trading chip
by Bulls_Bremen on Dec 10, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not going to fall over myself about this signing, I'm sorry
it was a solid move. But the Celtics are trading for an all-star PF to sit on the bench, the Knicks just signed the starting center from a championship team, the Lakers are pushing to obtain one of the top 5 guys in the game, and the Heat just signed Eddy Curry. Its solid, but its not backflip worthy. The point of signing someone is to get past the Heat. I think this gives us a better chance than we might have had if there was no addition, but it doesn’t tip the scales in any way. We just kept pace. So no back flips, but good job letting the market come to the Bulls. Hamilton is solid.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there's a good argument that the Lakers didn't get better
David West is solid, but he doesn’t really add a dimension that the Celtics were missing. Eddy Curry is kind of laughable. He was a joke for years, but all of a sudden he’s on the Heat and he’s going to make a difference.
Chandler is a very solid move for the Knicks, but they still have a ton of holes, and were waayyy behind the Bulls going into this off-season.
Pretty sure he was joking about Curry. Point remains people are doing backflips over Rip
And other teams are doing a bit more of substance. I think people are just tired of the wait and see attitude, no matter how much sense it makes.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, if people thought the Bulls simply preferred Rip to JR, I think there would be less bitching
The luxury cap concerns piss me off as well. But I really can’t disagree with taking on Rip for 2 vs. JR for 4.
why?
it only matters if you’re looking to trade a guy later, it has no bearing on the 2012 title, only who’s the better player
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions
Having dead money matters
If Richardson sucks for years 3 and 4. Maybe I think like a small market owner, I don’t know. But for comparable players over 30 (and I think JR and Rip are comparable) I’d always rather have the shorter contract.
Oh, I missed the joke on Curry
It was mixed in with a bunch of other stuff so I didn’t see the sarcasm.
**sigh**
Deng, Noah and Boozer have been the picture of good help throughout their careers.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree totally about West
Garnett, West, Pierce, Ray Allen and Rondo – that is a pretty elite lineup, certainly more elite than that same lineup with Big Baby.
The Lakers got a top 5 player. They may not have a better record in the regular season but if Bynum can stay healthy they have a top 3 as good as any in the league. When Kobe is your 2nd best player, you are friggin dangerous.
And like Ozzy said, this is a good move, but I would have to like to have seen a more aggressive Bulls team willing to spend money. The idea that they were fearful of signing Richardson b/c of luxury tax concerns rubs me the wrong way.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
Who plays on the inside in that lineup?
Everyone of those players is primarily a jump shooter. I know KG and West can play inside, but they don’t prefer to…
New signature coming...but its a process.
who play inside when the Celtics won the championship?
they are a better team now than before. why is that so hard for people to admit? And no, I don’t think they are better than the Bulls before someone makes that argument
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
Kendrick Perkins
But, he was more of the big defensive anchor…which they are still lacking. Wasn’t Leon Powe on that title team and playing minutes?
New signature coming...but its a process.
doesn't matter
heat will still shove them aside pretty easily, and i dont see them get past the bulls either..
allen, pierce, garnett.. big names for sure, but they’re not the players they were.. and its not like rondo ever developed into a better player than he was 3 years ago ; when the big three became lesser threats offensively, it showed that rondo is not an offensive force at all..
I actually don’t mind them locking up a guy like West for a couple of years, because they are apparently foolish enough to think they shouldn’t be in full rebuilding mode yet, when they clearly should be given how they got their ass kicked by the heat, and now they’re a year older (again) – and West is pretty old to be rebuilding with
by Bulls_Bremen on Dec 10, 2011 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
Does it matter much? Aside from Chicago and whatever team Dwight Howard plays on
Who has a bulldozing frontcourt?
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the Lakers are dangerous.
Just like they were before the trade. I also don’t see anyone doing backflips over acquiring Rip. I think most agree that it’s a solid move that makes the Bulls better. Were people expecting the Bulls to make a huge move?
Us signing Hamilton means a bigger improvement
than Miami with Battier and Eddie Curry, who is subtraction by addition by the way (I’m sure you were joking with that one)
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
we will see what difference Battier makes
that is a guy Memphis put on top scorers and he did a good job. At the very least he means less minutes for Lebron and Wade during the season.
Besides, the Bulls are trying to catch Miami. So we should be looking to make moves to get past them, when possible.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Are you saying Battier doesn't play great D?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
What's the Heat' crunch-time lineup with Battier?
Chalmers/Wade/LBJ/Battier/Bosh
Wade/LBJ/Battier/Bosh/Haslem
Wade/LBJ/Battier/Bosh/Anthony
I don’t see any of those lineups being significantly better than what the Heat were running out there last year.
Rose/Hamilton/Deng/PF/Noah is quite a bit better than Rose/Korver/Deng/PF/Noah.
He doesn’t seem to me to solve a huge need for them. Not a great PG or an inside presence. They already had elite perimeter defenders. Nice player for sure, but I don’t see him as making much of a difference.
Bulls upgrading from Bogans to Hamilton is a bigger deal than the Heat adding Battier in my opinion.
by JSB on Dec 10, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Battier is a better defender and shooter than Mike Miller imo
the Bulls have to make up ground on the heat, not the other way around. And Bogans never played after the first 7 minutes of each half. Looking at it like that, the upgrade from Brewer to Hamilton is less significant.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
I specifically asked about the crunch-time lineups
Miller did not play much in crunch time. I specifically asked about the crunch-time lineups that don’t include Miller. Crunch-time is where the Bulls got beat.
And you are kidding yourself if you don’t think the upgrade from EITHER Brewer or Korver in the crunch-time lineup to Hamilton is a big deal. Either the Bulls were sacrificing big-time on the offensive end
I don't have a 100% memory of who was in at crunch
time but I’m pretty sure it was Miller. lebron was on Rose, Wade on Brewer, Miller on Deng. So yes, I think the crunch time lineup of the Heat will be slightly better. I’m not sure of your point? I’m sure they will alternate between Chalmers and Battier, whoever is playing better just like the Bulls alternate between Taj and Boozer.
I’m not trying to argue with you. You can be right about everything you are saying. Do you think this move makes the Bulls favorites to beat the Heat? Do you think the Bulls did everything they could to make themselves better for the 2011-12 season? Those are the questions I’m concerned about, especially the latter. I’m just worried they weren’t as aggressive as they could have been this year b/c of organization fears about what could happen 2 years from now.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
No, I don't think the Bulls are favorites to beat the Heat
But, I’m not sure what they could have done to make themselves the favorites. This is a solid move where they upgraded their lineup by quite a bit and didn’t give up any of their front-court depth. Something I was concerned that they would not be able to do.
I agree the luxury tax concerns being voiced by KC are disturbing. And as a season ticket holder they really piss me off. But I see nothing to complain about the actual acquisition of Hamilton. Of the available 2 guards, I actually think he might be the best fit.
I'm not sure the Bulls share your assessment of Hamilton
that is my concern. I believe they think Crawford or Afflalo is the best fit, but they don’t want to make the necessary moves to acquire them. If it would hurt the overall team to acquire those guys I understand passing, but if it would hurt JR’s pocketbook (which is only explanation we’ve heard so far) I’m wary. Not angry, not bitter, just measured and wary.
As far as my assessment of Hamilton, I made that 5 comments ago. He is a solid, not spectacular, addition to the Bulls that will fit well with the team.
I just think only comparing Hamilton “to guys available” is a false premise because everyone is available with the right trade. Kevin Martin could be had for picks and young guys right now and make David Stern’s little heart grow like the Grinch’s. But you don’t get to make those deals when you wait for the market to come to you.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Only explanation?
We only heard the luxury cap stuff in regards to Jason Richardson. Afflalo and Crawford are going to require players, and let’s see what they end up signing for.
This is an impossible argument anyways because we don’t know what the Bulls are looking at, and what is available in regards to players like Kevin Martin.
You want to be pissed off that they only got Hamilton, go ahead. I think it’s a nice pickup.
How am I pissed off?
I’m being rational. You sound annoyed that i don’t think this is a game change. My apologies.
The Bulls have DONE IT AGAIN. WOOO! Rip Hamiilton! 35 years of excellence! Eastern Conference Finals here we come! Happy now?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Just re-read your original comment
Apparently I thought you were more upset about the move than you actually are. I got distracted by the comments about other teams.
No, I don’t think it’s a game-changer either. But I’m not sure that a game-changer was available. I certainly don’t think Crawford or Afflalo are game-changers either.
Iguodala might have been a game changer, but who knows if he’s available. Kevin Martin would be a nice pick-up, but I think he’d be more expensive in terms of players than you think he is, and don’t forget that he is a pretty bad defender.
The problem isn't that they are getting Rip.
The problem is WHY they said they didn’t offer JRich the full MLE. There’s really no reason to believe that same reasoning doesn’t apply to other, possibly better options(Crawford, Afflalo, Iggy, etc.).
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by kingles on Dec 10, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
I just have no problem not giving Richardson 4 years. It makes sense to me that you don’t want to pay the luxury tax to have Richardson in years 3 and 4.
We all have a quick trigger-finger when it comes to luxury tax and Reinsdorf. But in this case I think it’s a sound decision to take Rip for 2 rather than JR for 4.
Great point
if we always say to ourselves “we don’t what’s available” we’ll be giving the Bulls an excuse. Their track record vs. the insane amount of player movement in the league, tells me all I need to know
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
It's really a conundrum in my view
There has to be a balance. I agree that the Bulls track record is very poor overall, so I tend to lean towards the side that they aren’t doing as much as they should. But, looking back on the trade deadline, I think I’m happy they didn’t give up Asik for Lee or Taj for Mayo.
While I don’t think “we don’t know what’s available” is a great argument, I also don’t think “Kevin Martin must be available for peanuts” is a great argument either.
I don't think it's that you're happy, it's that you talk yourself into it
just like how a lot of people are talking themselves into Rip right now (myself included). You’re a fan of the team, it’s only natural.
Plus, when the team isn’t terrible (and in this case they’re very good), “maintaining the status quo” is a very easy thing to defend. it’s the big risks that often bring the most criticism.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I suppose a lot of it comes down to expectations
I wasn’t expecting the Bulls to make a big move, so I’m happy they are at least getting a good 2 guard.
Considering that this site was up in arms over not acquiring Courtney Lee or OJ Mayo at the trade deadline, I think acquiring Rip for nothing deserves a pat on the back.
You weren't expecting it because you've been trained to think that way
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions
None of the big national guys were expecting a big move either
The only big gun available that helps the Bulls that I see out there is Iguodala. Maybe Kevin Martin.
Obviously Howard is out there too, but who knows what is going on with that.
Or thought that the Bulls should make them
Acquiring either Martin or Iguodala would have significantly changed the make-up of the team. I like the idea of rolling with an improved 2 guard and retaining all of our front-court depth.
Did anyone "expect' the David West move?
national writers, Celtics fans, anyone?
The point is, the Bulls don’t make big, risky moves, ever. Whether it’s expected, unexpected, they don’t do it
They wait for good things to happen to them. Which is actually ok sometimes, but certainly not all the time
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Making big splashy moves sometimes works out, sometimes it doesn’t. I certainly prefer the Lakers & Celtics approach to the Bulls approach.
But, I prefer the Bulls approach to the Magic and Cavs approach of piling up money for average players.
I believe that it was
Wade on Deng, and Miller on Brewer. The Heat could ‘hide’ Miller on defense by matching him against Brewer. The hope that getting a relatively minor offensive upgrade at SG would give us a mismatch is largely cancelled out by their signing Battier. We’re just treading water by signing Rip, although he does make it harder for them to give Lebron help against Derrick.
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Are you really arguing that Miami improved more than the Bulls did?
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 5:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
The battier addition is good for the heat
but honestly, all it would do is give LeBron more time to rest in the SEASON. Playoff time, LeBron and Wade are going to be playing almost 48 mins a game.
No.
He plays fundamentally sound D. I am saying Tony Allen had as much, if not more, responsibility for Memphis’ defense last year during their run.
New signature coming...but its a process.
easy there buddy
battier is said to be one of the best wing defenders in the game
Allen is a lot better
he can’t shoot to save his life but Allen gives star players FITS
by MartyMondays on Dec 10, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with you Smurf...
But one of the things I have seen in the NBA, a collection of average to slightly above average players all on the same team is not a guarantee of success. In my opinion, the teams that have made the splashy moves, have not rounded out their rosters in a way that makes them all that much better.
What does Boston need a collection of undersized PFs for, and more importantly, why don’t they have a Center? Did the Heat really need another SF when they don’t actually have a Center either? The Lakers and Rockets both got worse (in my opinion), and New Orleans will be about the same.
Teams that identify their needs, and address them, while keeping the stars in place (ie. Thunder signing Perkins) and the ones I am most concerned about…adding a bunch of talent and hoping it sticks is the Isiah brand of GMing…it doesnt work.
New signature coming...but its a process.
You'll notice the best teams
Mavs, Bulls, Heat have the most boring moves
The Mavs sign 14 different free agents a year, what are you talking about?
And the Jason Kidd trade was one of the most polarizing, risky moves in recent memory. Mark Cuban loves taking risks and spending money, he’s the complete opposite of how the Bulls operate.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Rip looked done last year
We’ll see if he’s a significant improvement over Brewer/Korver. I doubt it. His old legs and lack 3P shooting are a bad fit for the Bulls.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 10, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't look done
He looked like he didn’t give a shit.
Big difference
Also a big difference chasing RIP around rather than chasing Bogans around. Be happy
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 1:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
i still think we need someone who can create a shot
more than we need a knockdown shooter.
Should've traded for Melo.
That's only cause its been beaten in your head for so long
We need a guy that makes defenses pay for doubling Rose.
Having a guy like Jamal would be nice off the bench and all but RIP is perfect for this starting line up
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 1:09 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yes but again EVERYTHING still goes through rose
he cant be doing that for a whole season again.
Should've traded for Melo.
God yes we are so stupid. A guy who only played 55 games, walked out on his team in practice
And a TS% of .520. Amazing!
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Bogans had a TS% of .559 last year.
Hamilton had .520 TS% on a horrible team. He’ll have to take far less tough shots with the Bulls.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not arguing he's worse than Bogans, I'm arguing over this whole "OMG Rip is the key" nonsense.
He’s about as valuable as Richardson, Crawford or any of the other mediocre 2-guard options the Bulls have been linked to.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
He is because of the ballhandling ability but not that superior.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
You also think...
The Bulls “Should’ve traded for Melo”
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by Dionysus2.0 on Dec 10, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
nobody is arguing he's the key.
he’s an upgrade where the Bulls needed an upgrade and he’s not signing an albatross contract.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think when people think of Rip, they think of a much younger Rip...
And I refused to be thrilled by the prospect of the Bulls picking up junk that washes up on the beach when LAL is trying to add Paul and Howard.
by hitlesswonder on Dec 10, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Pippen once refused to enter a playoff game, remember?
Plenty of players have meltdowns. In fact, plenty of humans do as well. I’m not going to judge him based on one (admittedly bad) incident that I’m sure we don’t even have all the details about…
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Is everyone such a saint on this team?
Noah gets busted for weed and drinking, gets suspended by his own team. Rose cheats his way through the SAT’s.
Mind you, those are the cornerstones of the franchise. Everyone ain’t perfect
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 1:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
sarcasm meter off
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
that's like Einstein having someone run the mile for him to pass gym class
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
That's unfair
It’s not nearly the slam dunk you’re making it out to be. He’s neither the athlete/defender that Brewer is, or the range shooter that Korver is. I’m cool with the move, but being somewhat disappointed that this is the next big piece is more than ok. Also, I don’t care about his contract. Bulls are capped out for the foreseeable future anyway. They could sign J Rich for 5/50 for all I care
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Of course it's not a perfect combination
But I’m talking about an above average defender at his position and a guy that runs around like crazy for open spots and hits them
That’s the combination I was talking about
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 2:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yup
now instead of having to run a platoon at the 2, we can use Brewer and Korver as true specialists.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed aswell. Take a look at PERs
Korver 13, Brewer 13, Bogans 9. An unmotivated Ripper? 15.8.
9 to 15.8 is in no way a marginal upgrade.
He also has had really high USG rates in recent years.
That number will be lower if he can’t improve on his percentages with less of the ball in his hand.
Latest Woj on Paul to Lakers
In the details available to Yahoo! Sports, Paul goes the Lakers, Pau Gasol to the Rockets, and Houston still sends Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and a 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets. The main changes in the deal, originally nixed by the NBA, will come between New Orleans and the Lakers, sources say.
So Lakers will have Odom AND Bynum to throw at Orlando? Ugh, so this is happening?
odom is still going as far ive heard
and they are taking okafor back as well
Should've traded for Melo.
this trade doesn't scare me unless they get D12
I also have serious doubts about Mike Brown as a coach.
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by illwill on Dec 10, 2011 1:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
What?
How does that make them younger? Scola is still 31 and those first round picks once Houston has signed some free agents to compliment Gasol with be worthless? If thats the best that can be done because Paul won’t sign an extention with other teams that can offer better deals then I say let him walk. You’ll still have his cap space to make a trade or sign someone and he has to give at least 20 million to sign somewhere else. It doesn’t make sense to put themselves in basketball hell.
by squadron supreme on Dec 10, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Why?
at least its hockey season now
by comebackkirk12 on Dec 10, 2011 1:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's going to Dallas or NJ after the season is over
Unlike Melo he has not made it clear that LA is the ONLY place he wants to go. Simply put, the assets the Lakers have left to deal for Howard are putrid.
Kobe, Bynum and Odom...
As trade assets for Howard are not exactly putrid.
New signature coming...but its a process.
They'll lose Odom in the deal for Paul.
by jpx7 on Dec 10, 2011 3:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
They'll lose Odom in the deal for Paul.
And there’s no way they’re trading Kobe.
by jpx7 on Dec 10, 2011 3:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I thought he was staying...
What makes the new deal any different from the old one if Odom goes?
New signature coming...but its a process.
If Rip comes to Chicago, what's the possibility
of a S&T still happening with Jamal Crawford? Im guessing it would invoce Brewer, Korv and some other wing player to make it happen; but I’m not sure how it would work salary-wise.
(Rough Projection)
Rose/Watson
Rip/Crawford
Deng/Butler
Boozer/Gibson/Asik
Noah/Asik
by NittanyCub on Dec 10, 2011 1:10 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
1 championship
Bulls with melo would win at least 7
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Think more along the lines of Korver or Brewer not Korver and Brewer. I think Korver, Watson, and Bogans does it money-wise.
by Ceasaleo on Dec 10, 2011 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
If we gace them that and they took it
That’s highway robbery
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I don't know
We don’t have anyone on that roster who spaces the floor like Korver can and will
thatd be pretty awesome
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If the Rockets lose out on Nene, they have nothing to lose in offering M. Gasol max contract. Gasol bros front court would be great story
Should've traded for Melo.
That would be awesome.
Who else would be on their team besides the Gasol Brothers? Aaron Brooks. No Kevin Martin, who would have been nice with those two. But, size matters in this league, ans an all Gasol front line would be great.
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Any offer "within reason"
But Houston could make him godfather offer and Memphis probably wouldn’t match
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
look closer at what was said.
offering M. Gasol max contract.
that means memphis would have 2 max contracts in a small market. they would get brutalized in two seasons when the harder luxury tax kicks in.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
also if say houston or someone makes an over the top run at gasol
i would think that increases chances of oj being dealt
Should've traded for Melo.
My thinking too
The Chandler contract set the market. Now, Nene and Gasol are set up for big pay days. MEM is going to be really close to or over the tax level after signing Gasol.
by Ceasaleo on Dec 10, 2011 1:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Rockets REALLY need this Paul trade to go through
if i were them i’d throw the kitchen sink to get both Gasols, then grab one of the remaining SG’s. that’s minimum 2nd round
Knicks Amnesty Billups
Marc Stein
RT @HowardBeckNYT: Also official now: Knicks waive Chauncey Billups under amnesty provision (STILL A BIT SURREAL)
Chandler
The Knicks will be better with Tyson Chandler but I think they made themselves an easier team for the Bulls to play. The Bulls struggled with the Knicks because the played four out and one in with undersized power forwards and centers who could space the floor and shoot. Now Both Chandler and Stoudemire are a much more convential frontcourt pairing and the Knicks don’t have a point guard.
by squadron supreme on Dec 10, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
word is they are going to run the offense through melo
and i would think matchups in the front court would go like this
amare—noah
boozer- chandler
i see boozer struggling a lot more with his matchup than amare
Should've traded for Melo.
How so?
Amare is going to playoff Noah and make him prove he can hit a 15ft jumper consistently. Boozer will do the same thing Chandler. The difference is Boozer has always been a better defensive rebounder than Stoudemire.
by squadron supreme on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
Who's word says they are running the offense through Melo?
Because, from what I have seen from Melo, he will certainly get his if that is the case…
New signature coming...but its a process.
On realgm D'Antoni said he wanted to use Melo like the Celts used Bird
and run the offense through him. i did a spit take at the suggestion.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Nothing like amnestying a guy whose option you just picked up.
This is what loser organizations do. People need to appreciate the sanity of GarPaxDorf a little more.
yeah...why the hell would they pick up Billups' option just to waste their only amnesty on him
Chandler is good, but who the hell is NY’s point guard now?
it's just money
I don’t get any benefit from Gar Paxdorf pocketing revenues
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2011 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
Well, Knicks ticket prices what, double, triple Bulls prices
I don’t think being a Knicks fan is a peach.
Well that's also due to location. Not picking up Billups' option wouldn't have altered ticket prices.
MSG is still in Manhattan.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Theoretically
16 million saved on Billups could go towards 16 million worth of something to help the team this year.
lol
JeffGurt Jeff Mangurten
With acquisition of Tyson Chandler, Knicks have now had, at one point or another, eight members of 23-win 2003-04 Bulls team.
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 10, 2011 1:19 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Off the top of my head
Curry, Chandler, Othella, Crawford…who else?
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't on the team yet.
Antonio Davis, Jalen Rose, Jerome Williams, and Roger Mason.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Anyone want to read tea leaves here?
@McGrawDHBulls
Thibs cut Saturday’s morning Bulls practice short and canceled evening session.
they're all going to chuck e cheese?
by obnoxious american on Dec 10, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I'm going with
Thibs is stapling all of their eyelids open so they can watch tape for 72 hours straight.
Thibs did this?
Ok weird as fuck
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Apparently it was a very good practice, but wow, that's unexpected
"Bud Light."
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Probably following Derrick's idea
they’re just going to stay in and order pizza.
Let's play a game.
Compare these two stat lines from last year:
Player A: 16.4 PER, .517 TS%, 24.0 AST%, 26.3 USG%, 105 ORtg
Player B: 15.8 PER, .520 TS%, 19.8 AST%, 26.0 USG%, 106 ORtg
Seem pretty similar right? Player A is Joe Johnson and Player B is Rip Hamilton. Johnson’s making the max, while we’re getting Rip on the MLE. I’m content with this.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 10, 2011 1:38 PM CST reply actions 14 recs
Holy shit Joe Johnson was terrible.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
lol, that's exactly what I was thinking
We dodged a bullet with that one
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
for real. Record-breaking terrible
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
And that's why Atlanta sucks...
Don’t offer max contracts to people who don’t deserve them
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i don't like the contract
but he would have sooo jumped ship if they hadn’t offered it.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all for getting Rip
I’m not sure why some people are against this move. I mean, yea he’s had a sub-par couple of seasons recently and he’s had a falling out with the coach, but the move onto a contender could provide the boost in confidence that we need from him at SG. I don’t see Rip as an elite SG, maybe not even one of the league’s best next season, but it’s a viable option that’s way better than what we have with Bogans, and I’m all for it
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yeah i mean, when you think that 15 minutes a game were going to bogans
and and be replaced by rip… i mean… can’t complain can we? i mean it’s bogans. lol.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I think people who are unimpressed with the whole idea of acquiring Rip
are just expecting something big to happen. With other big names being thrown around it’s hard not feel underwhelmed with this whole thing with Rip. It was the same vibe here last year with Booze. But I like the move. I rather have him than Crawford.
the shortened season is gonna make rose fresher in the playoffs.
by #1humblebot on Dec 10, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Pretty good overall backcourt.
It’s a deep one, too, anchored by a legitimate superstar.
Then you have a premier defender in Brewer, a top backup PG in CJ, a solid vet with title experience, and sometimes Korver.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 10, 2011 2:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Korver's the big loser in this
I don’t see Thibs using him much at all if Rip is halfway decent
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno.
Korver played 20 mpg last season, Brewer 22. Hamilton is old and the season is gonna be loaded with tough stretches, Hamilton is gonna need his rest. I see him getting 28-30 mpg, and between him and Deng, there should be 30-35 minutes out there for the both of them. Now, Korver brings something that neither Brewer or Hamilton bring, three point shooting, so he still has something to offer Thibs that nobody else on the team really does. Between Hamilton needing rest and the tough schedule, which will likely force Thibs to relax Lu’s workload, I think Korver and Brewer will get plenty of minutes.
What the hell is wrong with all you who think he's "old" or maybe "half decent"?
He’s a young 33. His game isn’t built on athletic ability, it translates to the Ray Allen type
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 5:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
isn't he an old 33?
lots of minutes
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think the argument Option is making....
Is that Hamilton is a very well-conditioned athlete and his game doesn’t rely on explosiveness.
well sure, that's how he accumulated all those minutes in the first place
usually that means you’re older than your age, so to speak. But I get it on the type of game.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2011 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, young 33 probably isn't accurate
But I don’t think he is a huge concern of breaking down due to poor conditioning. Being a marathon runner like him has it’s advantages.
i could see Korver getting about the same, maybe a tad more playing time
Rip can play SF too, so we won’t always have Luol in the entire game.
he becomes more situational
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 3:15 PM CST up reply actions
Top backup PG?
Not that CJ matters all that much, as he doesn’t get that much run, but he was pretty shitty last year. 12.8 PER, 37.1 FG%.
I don't think those numbers tell the story at all
He played his role extremely well imo
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He looked better in the playoffs,
but I thought he sucked in the regular season.
He had some rough patches in the beginning of the year
but I thought he grew into the role nicely. Thibs used him so erratically, and in such a weird way, that he was almost positioned to fail.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
He also shared the court
with some pretty poor offensive players.
by chowder on Dec 10, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, and truth be told, he's not that important.
He played very few minutes in the playoffs, his value will be more in allowing Rose to rest some in the regular season.
I agree, CJ played well
and he could have played more
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
I never have, and never will understand the CJ haters
Tremendous wasters of energy, you all are.
Seeing a good player fill the most unimportant position on this team, yeah, I can see how that would be really bothersome
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
As a reformed CJ hater...
He played like shit early in the season last year…I can recall numerous instances where he simply dribbled into a contested 3 with time on the shot clock, in what looked like a guy trying to “get his”. I think it was a product of the Golden State system he was in, and Thibs coaching got a lot more out of him towards the end of the season. His play improved considerably over the course of the year…
New signature coming...but its a process.
CJ Watson was awful in the playoffs
He plays with defensive oriented players, but everytime Rose came off the floor the Bulls couldn’t score and lost the lead. I’m amazed there isn’t MORE CJ hate, and besides shooting guard, backup pg is easily the weakest roster spot the Bulls have.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
CJ Watson is not as good as Derrick Rose
I think we all understand this.
Without your qualifier...
I still believe this to be true:
backup pg is easily the weakest roster spot the Bulls have.
I just don’t hate him now because I saw considerable improvement in his game as the season went on. He got better, but is still the weakest link on the team.
New signature coming...but its a process.
that doesn't make any sense
besides shooting guard, backup pg is easily the weakest roster spot the Bulls have.
and besides, what was weakest was shooting in general, with Korver being the only true shooting threat the team had. Deng added a 3pt shot as did Rose, but neither are shooters.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm good with signing Hamilton.
For starters, he’s still a very solid two way player and he’s not a guy that needs to pound the rock to get his own shot. Additionally, he won’t cost us some of our front-court depth, which isn’t the case if the FO seeks a trade for some of the other guys out there. He’ll come cheap and if he doesn’t work out all that well, the Bulls can seek out a trade as the deadline nears and more options begin to present themselves. I see Thibs giving Hamilton 25-30 mpg and divvying up the remaining minutes at the 2/3 spot up with Brewer, Korver and possibly Butler, depending on how he pans out.
I also like
How when Rose gets tired, we can keep him on the floor and just run Rip off double screens for 2 or 3 possessions and have reasonably good shots. All Rose has to do is sit at the top and make the pass. Of course you don’t want to run the offense this way the entire game, but placing Rose at the top of the key for 2 or 3 possessions a quarter allows him to preserve energy, while still being a threat on the floor.
I will say that one thing I definitely like about Hamilton is that he's a feisty dude
He competes like crazy, and he’s one of those guys that you can tell really wants to win. Those are the exact types of people you want when going against the Heat. The lack of this trait would have worried me if we signed a guy like Crawford who would be the first to go hug Lebron?Wade after they beat us
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If we're real about the Eastern Conference,
it’s all about the Heat and Bulls. It’s nice to know that we could have a 2 guard that will have Wade busting his ass out there on D. Wade’s gotta tons of miles on him and gets nicked up pretty easily, I LOVE the thought of him running through some strong screens from Boozer, Big Sexy and Joakim Noah.
Yeah, the only thing that would scare me is if the Nets pick up Howard
Otherwise, I think Bulls/Heat conference finals is in the cards
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Good Point
I think the bulls are good the way we are. we needed a sg who can put up 10+ points a game while also keeping some look into the future. i am old school so i did not want dwight or lebron or any of these buisness first players. give me a group of guys who play with alot of heart and who dont go around talking about the buisness of basketball any day. The front office has done what so many teams cannot do and that is build a solid team without getting a bunch of egos on the team. i am so tired of quick fix teams. Rip is feisty and he plays hard this is what we need. i also think we should bring bogans back because he is part of the reason the bulls played this well last year.
Bulls NBA Contenders By 2010
Agreed, we need that crazy guy....
Bogans kind’ve has that edge but does not have the game to back it up.
I hope that they pull off a sign and trade sending Korver + Watson + ? to the Hawks for Crawford. If he was running the bench mob, we would be the deepest team going (we already kind’ve are).
I am a bit put off by the Bulls not making moves because of cap considerations. We are now legitimate contenders for the championship. A 7 game championship series would more than pay for an MLE. It is wrong for more reasons than that but I am choking with rage…
One word about Houston. What the hell are they thinking? I know that Gasol is a future HOFer but in the near future he is a double knee operation talent nosedive. They are trading away half their team! I would not take Scola for Gasol in a straight trade! Stern had to veto the trade, not because NO is not making out well, but because Houston seems hell bent on engaging in an act of astonishing stupidity!
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 10, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Crawford
I like crawford but what is he expecting. you have to choose. do you want to play on a great team who has a legit shot at a championship or do you want to go to a team that will pay you an extra 6 mil over thee years and still retire without a fight, he has made is money.
i would rather pay a guy like bogans a bit more than the vet minimum cause he played hard all year without crying about it and did what was expected of him. the team brought the guy in for a reason and he did his job
Bulls NBA Contenders By 2010
Excellent point
Crawford is very talented, but he is nowhere near the winner that Rip is. If you think about it, this Bulls team is going to have to do what Rip’s Pistons teams did back when they won it all. Bulls beating the Heat would be pretty comparable to the Pistons beeating the much more talented Lakers led by Kobe/Shaq.
Good to see Chauncey Billups is taking getting waived by the Knicks well
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Billups: “People take my kindness and professionalism for weakness. They think I’ll be OK with (getting claimed). I won’t be OK with this.”
Maybe he can scare away enough teams for the Bulls to land him,
if that’s even possible with this seemingly certain Hamilton signing.
Lmao
Ya know, I actually kind of understand where he’s coming from. Reportedly, he didn’t even want to leave Denver last year, He was one of the keys to the deal, but he reluctantly went because he had a shot to contend. Now he sees that he could be playing on some dead ass team, and he’s pissed. Hard to blame him, but he still sounds kinda douchey
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
And this is why players have no loyalty to teams. Teams have none to them.
Chauncey by all accounts has played the game ‘the right away’ and gets tossed around like hot garbage. He’s completely justified.
Well, if he wanted to determine his own destiny,
he shouldn’t have exercised that juicy option to stay with the Knicks. He knows he’s not worth that type of cash. There’s a tradeoff: Either take less money and go wherever the hell you want or cash in huge paychecks but be at the mercy of your team. You don’t get to take that big money and then cry about it.
You're right, it was a team option.
I just checked it out and I saw that it was a team option, which is crazy. Why would the Knicks pick up a 16 million dollar option only to amnesty him? What a waste of money.
So I guess Chauncey doesn’t get the blame here, as the Knicks made the decision to pay him and then amnesty him. I still don’t feel bad for him; he’ll end up going where he wants to in the end.
He was gone anyway
Billups was going to be out the door one or another. He was either going to be thrown in for cap reasons in a deal to Paul probably some kind of three or four team deal or as it turned out amenestied so they can sign Chandler. Either way he still gets his money because if he was in Denver as beloved as he is I doubt they would have picked up his option.
by squadron supreme on Dec 10, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
They wanted the value of the contract
if they were going to trade for a big money player.
Another reason the NBA is screwed up with it’s trade rules.
Totally,
as much as Lebron is reviled for leaving Cleveland, who in their right mind would want to play for that organization? That Gilbert guy is a sociopath! He would throw anyone under the bus for short term gain (as he has done repeatedly over the past 6 months).
by THEKILLERWHALE on Dec 10, 2011 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
If he's all about playing for a winner, then forgo the $14 million NY is paying you.
Then he can sign with Miami for the veteran’s minimum. But he’s not going to do that, so I don’t give a shit about his predicament.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Man, he should just call it a day
Everyone knows how pissed he was about leaving his hometown in Denver. He clearly doesn’t want to enter into the “journeyman oldster” era of his career. Doesn’t seem like he’d be happy getting claimed even my a contending team.
Call him, RIP
“Let’s go to the Bull!”
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
this is simple, if he sits out the year he forfeits his amnesty contract
he will be in uniform
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Of the realistic and therefore flawed choices available Hamilton is the one I came to favor
if he was bought out.
I’ve seen comments about Rip not being able to create his own shot and not being a good ball-handler. The guy has never had USG% under 24% in his career. He can get shots off. He also is a good enough ball-handler to handle and initiate offense and make passes. Hamilton has a lot of experience complimenting a scoring point guard.
by Scotter on Dec 10, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
But the major reason I tended to favor Hamilton is no one else
comes close to his experience grinding out playoff games. He’s played more than twice as many playoff games as Vince Carter who is now off the table. And nearly a 100 more playoff games than guys like Jamal Crawford and Jason Richardson. The playoffs are a different animal than the regular season. And having guy that has gone through that may actually be more important than a couple of tenths on a regular season efg%. Are his stats great. No, but they are actually still better than the Mayo’s and Courtney Lee’s of the world that people want to actually give up assets for.
And I say that as someone who can’t stand Rip. I hate his stupid facemask, his stupid sideways dribble at the FT line, and his incessant whining to officials. But he is a pretty decent choice as a starting SG and a guy that can let Deng sit instead of staying on the floor with the second unit. I’d be happy with Jason Richardson and okay with Crawford, but I think I’d rather bet on a guy who has been through the payoff wars that hope Richardson or Crawford are finally ready to get their hands dirty.
by Scotter on Dec 10, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
there is no doubt Rip makes us better than we would have been without him
and I agree, the best part is that he won’t be intimidated at all in the playoffs. He has beat Shaq and Kobe Celtics, beat Lebron, beat Wade – the moment will never be too big for him.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Shit, I forgot about the whining to the refs
That could get annoying
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions
When Bulls players do it it's not whining, it's justified outrage.
Only other teams players whine…
News flash: Luol Deng is good...We now return you to your regularly scheduled hating...
Nha, I've always hated when our guys do it too. Sometimes moreso
Thing is, we haven’t really had a lot of whiners on our team. Boozer is probably the only one , and even he isn’t too bad
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Rip is a pretty good pickup
The thing I like about Rip running around is he gets calls. The extra fouls on the opponent and the extra free throws will help. We can now use the run around like crazy without the opposing scrub torching us.
Plus although he cannot create his own offense like a nick young or Jamal, he’s still talented enough to score against average defenders unlike Bogans that cant drive over any defender.
The added depth will also be useful this season with a lot of b2b games
I like him too
He’s an efficient scorer and really only ran into trouble in Detroit when he had to make his own shots off the dribble. Not a perfect guy but definitely makes them better.
Creating your own shot is really hard
if you play with Stuckey, Gordon and CV lol
All very good points
I’m steadily warming up to Rip. Although I found reasons to get excited about Rasual Butler so… yeah.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
sign Billups,Sheed
make the old piston champion team our 2nd unit lol
by trig on Dec 10, 2011 2:45 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Let him free already
"@KCJHoop: Keith Bogans is drawing interest from several teams. #Bulls have until Dec. 19 to decide on his $1.73M option, but he’ll be gone."
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 2:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions
find out if one of the teams is the Heat
if it is, pick up the option. if it’s not, let him walk.
I'll bet the Heat are one of those teams
There were very few times I was proud to have Bogans on my team, but one was most certainly the Heat series, and his fucking awesome Wade defense. He was in Wade’s head the whole time
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 3:36 PM CST up reply actions
he might take his talents to south beach
I'm getting too old for this shit...
Any word on Kurt Thomas?
I’d love to have him back. Think he was an incredibly underated part of the team last year and could be valuable for saving Noah, Boozer, and others legs in a condensed schedule.
KC
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Keith Bogans is drawing interest from several teams. #Bulls have until Dec. 19 to decide on his $1.73M option, but he’ll be gone.
Bogans is a nice 10th guy
Not sure why anyone would want him to go. He’s no starter and should not be playing big minutes, but I think he’s nice to have deep on the bench. Knows the system and wasn’t that bad in the second half of the year.
He was pissed because his coached benched him
Without telling him why he was getting benched
No longer believes in the Bogans Prophecy
he has to wear the mask
for medical reasons.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
He doesn’t necessarily have to at this point. Remember the injury happened almost a decade ago. It doesn’t hurt for him to wear it, but at this point he should be more than free to take it off.
When they advised him to keep wearing the mask, they didn’t assume he would play for this long. So at this point, he’s just using it as his “Superman Cape”
"truTV is like BET for white folks." - Chuck
"Brian Dawkins is always 100% Eagles related."--macjack09 & BGN Nation
i thought i heard
if he has one more injury, he could have some serious long term damage or something. not worth the risk.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Rasual out?
bench_mob Bench Mob
@RasualButler45 congrats on raptors deal, good luck. We will miss ya on the #BenchMob
I don't care what anyone says
I’m still upset that he didn’t get any burn in the playoffs against the Heat. Crazier things have happened.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
i might agree
but he was just consistently mediocre. he had a nice sophomore season but he only played 45 games (and only 15 mpg) – his crazy shooting in the few games he appeared for the bulls was a huuuuge aberration.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
BYC Loophole
Players subject to base year compensation cannot be traded before Jan. 15, except in a sign-and-trade. If the trade is allowed, then base year compensation is applied to the player’s outgoing salary only in a sign-and-trade transaction.
I’ve read this a couple of times and this seems to have a huge loophole unless the language for the write-up was just not as concise as it could be.
Noah could be traded at any time. All the Bulls would have to do is perform a sign & trade with really, any free agent to also include a BYC player in a deal.
A BYC player, by definition, is under contract via an extension, so he is not the sign & trade party anyway.
So technically, the Bulls could sign & trade Luther Head, signing him to a non-guaranteed vet minimum deal, include Noah & extra pieces and they meet the BYC rules.
I’m no lawyer, and the language may not be complete as it was quoted, but from what I am reading, any BYC guy can be moved at any time by throwing in a random free agent. You still have to satisfy BYC salary requirements, and the 150% match helps that.
Also, the big stinker in the language is, “If the trade is allowed.” But, my, that’s a huge loophole.
Follow-up
I could be wrong about what constitutes the BYC player, and maybe the player does have to be signing via Bird Rights and getting a huge raise via sign & trade for this to apply, where previous extensions are viewed differently, as are extend & trades.
I think you are reading that wrong.
I believe the clause is talking about the player actually signing the new contract in a sign and trade not being subject to BYC. That’s the loophole that allows those players to be traded and their salaries treated normally in the trade when they should be subject to BYC the second the new contract is signed. Not a new loophole, and one that doesn’t affect the ability of the Bulls to trade Noah at all.
by Scotter on Dec 10, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
that's how I read it
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 10, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions
Sup Bulls fans...
Celtics fan here. Curious on your opinions on whether or not Hamilton is the key missing piece to get you over the top. Or do you feel there’s something else you need besides a competent SG?? And if Rip is the guy, do you feel that his lack of range could hurt you when it comes to spreading the floor for Rose??
I honestly thought the Bulls were gonna be a LOCK for Carter or Richardson myself.
I don't think he gets us over the top
buts its a nice addition. What will have to ultimately get us over the top imo is Rose, Boozer and Noah improving individually and how they play together.
What do you think about the Celts moves so far? If they keep Rondo, Green and West it seems they have a bit of a head start on rebuilding. Is that Ainge’s idea?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100% about your comment about Rose, Noah and Boozer having to play better
To me that is way more important than whoever the Bulls would have gotten with the MLE.
I like them so far..
I was against trading Rondo for CP3 just because that minor upgrade wouldn’t have put us over the top. I LOVE the Bass for BBD deal because Bass has the athleticism and shooting BBD never did. Dooling is a good addition as a #3 PG that can play defense. I’m expecting A LOT from Green this year…potential 6th Man of the Year candidate stuff. And if we can get David West, we’ll have a legit bench scorer we haven’t had since KG and Ray have been Celtics. We still have our Mini MLE too so I’m hoping we can get a couple bruisers at the 5 to help JO out or to replace him if he’s traded. And Wilcox will be another energy guy with attitude who can play about 10 MPG for us at the 4/5.
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're crazy if you believe Paul for Rondo was a minor upgrade
Paul can do everything Rondo can do (and better) while also scoring and not being hated in the lockerroom.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
I see your point...
but an upgrade at PG wasn’t gonna help us. Especially when it’s swapping a top 5 PG for a top 2 PG. CP3 can shoot it better but Rondo already has the chemistry, passing, and defensive abilities with the Big 3 CP3 doesn’t. Add in CP3’s knee injury history and his unwillingness to sign an extension, a Rondo for CP3 deal made no sense.
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
i see your point, especially about not wanting to give up your 1 young guy
for a person who won’t sign an extension.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man, homerism at its best.
No offense, but Rondo is not a top 5 point guard. His terrible shooting makes him a 4th quarter liability which is not the credentials of a top 5 anything. Once your big 3 retires, you can’t build a team around Rondo. So, yeah, that trade would have been a big upgrade and more importantly stops you from bottoming out.
by rinconen on Dec 10, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry man...
but you can’t SERIOUSLY name 5 other PG’s who are better than Rondo. I know you’ll say Rose and CP3….then the next best 2 PG’s are Rondo and D-Williams. Westbrook showed in the playoffs his inability to be a legit PG. Nash can’t guard us. There’s nobody else in the discussion.
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Jeff Teague is better than Rondo
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
at shooting
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
WE are better than Rondo at shooting.
But that’s not what Rondo needs to do.
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
nah, I'm just joking around
although I do think Teague is pretty good. He gave us hell for a couple games in the playoffs last year. Seems like he’s got potential.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
D Rose, D Williams, J Kidd, Cp3, S. Nash, C. Billups...
There I just did…
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I said BETTER...
not just name some PG’s.
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
dude, you're in the wrong place if you're looking for some Rondo love
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
He's lucky that i didnt say Pargo
nah im not that dumb
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
and I was only half joking about Jeff Teague
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Kidd and Billups?
C’mon man, at least mention Westbrook
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
No one hates Rondo more than me, but sorry, I'll take him over Billups and Kidd in a millisecond
And Nash is too old
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
No one hates Rondo more than you?
I CHALLENGE YOU! :)
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
by T.Moore on Dec 10, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Last year Nash was better than Rondo
He may or may not be in the future, but as far as we know he is.
FUCK RONDO
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
By the way, I have the same concerns about Pauls knees and a lack of commitment to an extension.
But, Paul does things Rondo can’t. His assists are the result of managing the floor and hitting guys in the rights spots, whereas Rondo basically just dumps it off to the big 3.
They're 2 different styles of PG.
CP3 is a ball dominating PG who HAS to have the ball in his hands at all times to be effective. Rondo runs Doc’s precision offense and is a HUGE reason why Ray, PP, and KG are still effective and efficient. Sure CP3 can shoot better but that’s not what fits in Boston. Then you add in defense and Rondo blows him away on that end. CP3 gets a lot of steals from playing passing lanes, a la Iverson. But he can’t play lock down, man to man D like Rondo. And in Boston, that’s more important than being able to shoot.
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
come on, man, be nice
I think we will better but will still lose to Miami
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
Hey now, play nice with the Celtic fan
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
He is not the full answer
He certainly gets us closer, but I hold out hope that Jamal Crawford may be joining the team via sign and trade. The combination of him and Rip together may do it.
I am glad we didn’t sign Vince Carter. I don’t know how well he will hold up with the season as jammed together as it is.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Only reason I mentioned Carter...
was because he could still be valuable as a shooter, especially from distance. And even though he’s an awful defender, I think Thibs system could hide his deficiencies.
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
You may be right
The main problem we have as I see it is that everything must start with Rose. Floor spacing is definitely a problem we have but the fact that Rose must do every single thing on the offensive side of the court is worrisome. I don’t know how much Vince Carter could change that.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
Carter is not Bulls "material"
In my opinion (which is the correct one btw), aside from his offensive skills, he doesn’t fit the team identity. He’s too freaking lazy and doesn’t seems to want to win bad enough. The Bulls org. likes guys hard hat and lunch pail types, like Paxon was in his playing days.
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
crap, I should do a better job editing my posts..
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
I have no clue if it puts us over the top, but it should be a very fun season
I do like the David West move your team made. We will still whoop that ass, however ;)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
This story about Curry being in shape scaries me a bit
Curry may suck at defense and rebound but he can score
Noah will stuff the ball back in his face
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
I'm sure he will but
the question is: won’t Curry score on Noah too?
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
He'll get some easy baskets, but I have confidence in Noah
"Bud Light."
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He hasn't really played since 2007-2008
It will be a minor upset if he makes their roster in my view. As you said he already sucked at defense and was an incredibly poor rebounder. Doesn’t fit the Heat need in a big man. They already have plenty of scoring in LBJ, Wade and Bosh.
Which this story....
Did I miss something saying Eddy Curry has been working out? I am a bit worried too…
New signature coming...but its a process.
word on twitter is that he lost 70 pounds
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
Curry in shape
of course curry is gonna say he is in shape. he won’t come into camp saying “i didn’t lose any weight and i’m a little rusty”
by inglorious bastardos on Dec 10, 2011 4:16 PM CST reply actions
Typical before the season talk.
You usually hear of a player in the “best shape of their life”, etc.
My d***ie is leaking!
Curry lost 70 pounds..
and he’s still what Shawn Kemp was after the 98-99 lockout. LOL
by sexyscottish on Dec 10, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
The funny thing is, Eddy Curry in his "prime" would've still been a shitty fit on that Heat team
They’re an up tempo, defensive team, that has plenty of scorers. Why would they need a lazy, no defense, non-rebounding big man, whose only real value is post scoring?
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
maybe him being fat still
is a way of him reverse jinxing himself on an up tempo team. bc if him being in shape wouldn’t have worked maybe him still being out of shape will help them out, maybe that’s his thinking.
by inglorious bastardos on Dec 10, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions
he should just imagine the ball is a cupcake
he’ll lead the league in rebounds in no time
I'm getting too old for this shit...
by Judge Mental on Dec 10, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Are the Heat up tempo?
I mean I know they liked to get points on fast breaks, but 1) you don’t really need your center for that and 2) When they didn’t fast break their half court offense looked plenty slow to me.
Now, I still don’t see why you want Eddy Curry. How often would you want him taking a shot over Lebron/Wade/Bosh?
Curry is going to take his talents to the “South Beach Diet”
by inglorious bastardos on Dec 10, 2011 4:18 PM CST reply actions
RIP on twitter
KCJHoopK.C Johnson
RT @ripcityhamilton: Stay tune…. I have a lot to talk about. Yessir.
by K_yle33 on Dec 10, 2011 4:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hmm, absolutely no clue what that means...
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
Rip weighs in
ripcityhamilton Rip Hamilton
Stay tune…. I have a lot to talk about. Yessir.
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by HawkeyeBoiler on Dec 10, 2011 4:24 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
FINALLY!!
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
how long ago was this?
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
We won't know for sure until he starts
quoting R Kelly.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
trying to be patient but the bulls need to make a move.
training camp is getting started and they need that guy to be as acclimated as possible. its just like the bulls to wait forever to make a move on something thats suppose to be imminent.
He has to come to us first!
They ALL have to!
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
one interesting note:
Bulls have Monday off, so if Hamilton doesn’t practice tomorrow (also media day), then he won’t until Tuesday (which I believe is the first two a day). Then Friday is the first preseason game
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
Has anyone seen Detroit's buy out being officially "final"?
I saw the Trib report earlier saying something like ‘working toward finalization’…which means nothing.
I think KC said it could take up to 48 hours, for one reason or another
So it could be that he doesn’t practice with the team until Tuesday (due to Monday being an off day). That is, assuming he’s definitely coming here
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
i think they refer to those as computers now
lol, “email machine”
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 10, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know exactly what it means.
ripcityhamilton Rip Hamilton
Thank u to all my Detroit fans. Love all of u. U will always have a special place in my heart. Yessssssirrrrr
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Yessssir might become more annoying than Boozer's
Tweeting!!!! Like!!! This!!!! All!!!! Day!!!!
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 4:52 PM CST up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! AND ONE!!!
::SUPER SAIYAN MODE::
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
Figure out which one is the fake tweet:
Watching My 3 Boys Play Soccer!!! #prouddad
Wheels Down In Chi Town!!!! Leeee Goooo!!!
Wishing All Of You A Healthy & Happy Thanksgiving!!! So Much To Be Thankful For!!!
Enjoying Every Bit Of Thanksgiving!!! Spending Great Quality Time With The Fam!!
"@RonnieBrewerJr: The will to succeed is important, but what’s more important is the will to prepare. ~Bobby Knight~" I like that Brew!!!
This is difficult.
Guessing “Enjoying Every Bit Of Thanksgiving!!! Spending Great Quality Time With The Fam!!”
My d***ie is leaking!
Guessing the Wheels down one
because he missed a ‘t’ and a ‘s’.
Oh, who am I kidding, it’s the fam one. Two exclamation points? That’s not the Boozer I know
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It means he's saying by to his fans
I'm getting too old for this shit...
JR smith would have been wonderful
He would take it to the Heat in the playoffs, no back down
yeah but the fool took his talents to Asia
in march, the bulls may have a shot in signing him to vet min
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Dwight Howard has requested that the Orlando Magic trade him to the New Jersey Nets, league sources tell Y! Sports.
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 10, 2011 5:08 PM CST reply actions
does stern cancel this too?
the league is fucked. might as well have 10 teams. Gilbert aint wrong about 25 washington generals
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 10, 2011 5:09 PM CST up reply actions
Has it every been different?
The NBA ain’t the NFL. A bunch of small market owners bought in under the delusion that it was.
have superstars ever colluded this much?
Ewing and David Robinson weren’t teaming up. Magic wasnt playing with Bird
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 10, 2011 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
this is why I will always believe the 80s and 90s basketball is truly the Golden Era
Those were real men. Not these fuckin pussies like Melo, and paul bitching they want to play for a team that has players like Kobe. Chicago should feel blessed to have an awesome player like Rose. To me, he reminds me of your oldschool typical hard working player. If only we can have more players like him.
No, you're lucky free agency didn't become such a giant factor in the 80s and 90s.
But your pointless nostalgia guarantees sportswriters are never out of a job.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
its not bout the FA, its about players attitude now these days
Shaq left the Magic for LA, and tbh, never bothered. Thing is I just dont like the constant whining and bitching from players like Melo and Paul not getting their way all the time.
It's really more about teams w/ FAs being scared shitless they are going to lose their guy for nothing
That’s why Paul is being dealt.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Charles Barkley.
Boom.
by JSB on Dec 10, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
For whatever it is worth
Most players don’t start bitching about needing other players, until their third contract. Rose is still on his first.
Magic played with Kareem and Worthy. Bird played with McHale and Parish.
Barkley played with Moses and Erving. Jordan played with Scottie. Shaq with Kobe, Duncan and Robinson.
In the past superteams existed through draft because salaries were so low you could keep a core intact for years. Now that TV and ad revenue has exploded salaries have gone with it, making it near impossible to retain a group of 3-4 HOF players for more than a few years.
by Ozzie Montana on Dec 10, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
thats not why he veto'd
was for "basketball reasons. "
by The90sBullsRevival on Dec 10, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
nope
its the only reason a veto would be even acceptable.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm trying to think of the time that it wasn't 25 Washington Generals
If small markets can’t make better decisions to put a winner on the floor, that’s their faults. This didn’t start with Lebron, it started with players watching Kevin Garnett blow his prime playing for an organization like the Timberwolves.
The Spurs didn’t HAVE to draft Ginobli. OKC didn’t HAVE to draft Westbrook. And the Trailblazers sure as hell didn’t have to draft Oden. It’s not about small or large, it’s about savvy and stupid.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 10, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Timberwolves made it to the Western Finals
and that was with that fake gangsta Spreewell even.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah and so has Dwight.
See where that got the Magic. lol
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Unfortunately
The small market teams are the only ones that go up for sale as teams like the Knicks, Bulls and Lakers make too much money. Then, billionaires make bad business decisions, gamble on small market teams, realize what a bad decision it was, and blame the system and the players for their own stupidty.
Over the past decade, only the stupid take over the small market teams, preventing the small market teams from ever gaining the smarts to be run properly.
Problem is they try too hard to find a star
resulting in Adam Morrison
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I think part of the problem...
is the owner’s mentality. They didn’t expect Lebron or Bosh would elect to become a free agent, then walk away from their team leaving money on the table. But that’s exactly what they did. That single move empowered players and scared owners into this…which is exactly why Paul and Howard are being traded now, the Hornets and Magic ownership want to get something in exchange for their “asset”. Ultimately, even whiny-ass Dan Gilbert broke down and traded Lebron, so he could milk draft picks and traded player exceptions out of Miami (and Lebron could get that extra year).
New signature coming...but its a process.
the thing is...the nets ABSOLUTELY NEED a third team involved with this trade
besides humphries and lopez, who else can they give up. Sure, give up lopez but im dead sure they would demand another player with the same quality as lopez plus future first round picks.
The Magic want so much in return
It won’t get done until February, I’d bet.
"Bud Light."
--Chris Carpenter, asked to name his favorite pitcher
and thats fine by me
and who knows, he might change his mind. I hope he does and consider Chicago as one of his options
Dudley's take
JaredDudley619 Jared Dudley
So I heard Dwight Howard ask to be Traded!! I’m not shocked by that at all BUT to the NETS!!! Why not Chicago or the Lakers even the Mavs?
by JSB on Dec 10, 2011 5:13 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
cause the lakers are in their own shit with the paul trade
and the mavs can be involved and howard seems to hate Chicago :(
Dudley is cool
Fuck new jersey
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
too bad the Lakers don't have anyone the Bulls would want
WojYahooNBA: Lakers had been searching for deal in past day to obtain a first-round pick to send New Orleans as part of Chris Paul package, sources say.
light em up
This is seriously messed up...
What’s even worse is the possibility of going through all of this, then having New Orleans possibly get contracted if they can’t find an owner…
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Lots of good info in Woj's new article about why he wants to go to the Nets
Los Angeles had long been a preferred choice of Howard’s, but sources say that several factors have pushed him toward the Nets over the Lakers. Howard has a strong relationship with Deron Williams, and has also resisted following the same career path as Shaquille O’Neal, who left the Magic for the Lakers two decades ago.
Howard prefers to the Nets over the Lakers, but hasn’t ruled out the possibility that he would sign a long-term extension with L.A. should he be traded there.
Howard has determined that he wants to be the centerpiece of the new Brooklyn arena, and pair up with All-Star guard Deron Williams when the Nets to move to New York next season.
Orlando officials have resisted being told where Howard wants to be traded, sources said, but understand it will be difficult to get a strong trade package elsewhere if Howard won’t commit to re-signing with that team. After opting out of his contract on July 1, Howard would be eligible for a five year, $109 million extension with the Nets.
So basically Howard has decided he wants to go to Brooklyn, and b/c they have cap-room, he has leverage to make it happen.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_howard_requests_trade_magic_nets_121011
all its saying he wants to play with his buddy Williams and does not want to be on headlines as being the next Shaq
Thats fine and dandy, but I jsut dont see who the nets can give up to ge thim
LEVERAGE
It doesn’t matter what the Nets are offering. If nobody else (Bulls etc.) is willing to give up a primo package for Howard because he insists he will sign with the Nets, then the Magic have to either (1) trade him to NJ; or (2) keep him and let him leave at the end of the season.
nonetheless, its going to be competition for Howard
Lakers will def offer Bynum and Odom and you can sure bet the Nets are gonna have to match that. Sorry, but Humpries and Lopez doesnt even cut it.
Odom going to NOLA
I think
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Someone here said Odom still in the deal
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
All the Lakers have is Bynum
As is they are trying to scrounge up a 1st rounder to give to the Hornets. They aren’t getting Howard.
yeah, sorry, i thought they also have odom to give up too
but i was wrong, nvm, hes going to the nets, lmao
Why the fucking Nets?
He’s never gonna win there…Yeah I said it NEVER
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Yeah, why not?
Two great cornerstones in DH and DWill, a new arena, NYC, ballsy owner who will spend money.
Sounds like a good choice.
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by ColonelFatheart on Dec 10, 2011 5:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I guess you're right
He’s thinking long term
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
Like on Travis Outlaw and Morrow?
Please Nets will never be able to fill around adaquetly without getting awful lucky
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And with the trade...
They would retain their MLE to use on Kirilenko…
New signature coming...but its a process.
Howard's a douche
It’s been obvious since the day he came into the league. Fucking idiot can’t say two words with out cracking a smile. He’s a clown. He wants to be as big a star as Shaq, but it will never happen, because Shaq was witty and knew how to talk, and entertain. Howard has the look, but not the personality
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
He seems fake
and at the same time not fake
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I love this
Now I’m hoping for the Chris Paul trade to actually happen. Lakers are gonna be good but not terrifying without Howard. Knicks dont get the Paul/Melo/Stoudamire dream they hope for. Last, New Jersey with Howard and Williams doesn’t scare me much at all. Maybe the 4th or 3rd seed. If everything happens according to plan, I still see Miami and Chicago as the two best teams in the league
by Option27 on Dec 10, 2011 5:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's going to be fun.
So long as there is no Paul/Howard/Bryant super-team, I think it’s good for basketball.
a Nene/Howard frontcourt?
yikes
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 6:04 PM CST up reply actions
the offer wade by the nets but now they pulled back. im guessing he would go to the pacers
if the nets get nene
as of right now, its on par with the west
if not already a bit stronger. Rose, Wade, Bron, Amare, Melo…and thats jsut a small sample size.
On the down side, we're not getting Dwight Howard
On the plus side, there is now a legitimate chance that Lebron James will never win a title. I’ll take it!
Recovering...
Yeah, for some reason Howard going to NJ doesn't irk me
Seems halfway legit given that the Nets have the caproom to sign him in the off-season if he doesn’t get traded.
im nto scared of the nets at all
You can bet Lopez is gone in this deal as well some other role players and picks.
as are the bulls in the future.
we can match w/e the nets can do
You just said you're not scared of them.
That’s dumb. They’ll have 2 superstars to our 1, and an owner that appears willing to spend big money. The top 3 in the East for the next 5 years will probably be Nets, Bulls and Heat.
dont worry
five-year, $109 million extension with New Jersey will make howard never have to talk about a chamnpionship again. But he can pursue his acting.
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The important question is whether or not Howard is a real gangster or a fake gangster.
What say you?
by JSB on Dec 10, 2011 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I think going to CHI or LA would have been perceived as the easy route for Dwight.
He’ll probably get more respect for going to NJ and being “the man”
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 5:46 PM CST reply actions
except they do still have dwill
and they aren’t winning shit. lol
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Dec 10, 2011 5:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly, idk why people on this blog are scared of deron williams and howard
the diff between those two and the celtics w/ Kg, pierce, and allen is that those guys had QUALITY fill ins. I dont think the nets can pul lthat off that easily
Quality fill-ins?
Like James Posey and PJ Brown. You’re blind if you don’t think the Nets will be good for the next 5 years.
well, i should be saying they had the decent role players already set
i guess you cant say the celtics them since they were already on the team
Yeah they do have Deron. But CHI and LA have more than that.
I’m not saying they are winning it this year if he goes there. But if they do, he’ll get more respect than if he had gone to CHI or LA and won it.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, but who knows what NJ will be getting in the following years
specially when they go to Brooklin
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 10, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
Highly doubt he's given it that much thought
Prokorov and D Will prob just convinced him to come, and he’s easy. He’ll probably still go to LA. In fact, if the Bulls really puched his agent, i wouldn’t be surprised if he came here
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
The big issue is Noah's BYC.
Would have to wait for that to clear.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
NBA players are starting to piss me off
Why the fuck does Howard get to have any say in where he gets traded? There should be massive fines for his behavior. By listing teams he would sign an extension with, he is fucking oover his team. Granted, not as bad as if he just got up and left, but still. Teams like the Clippers have good young talent, but won’t even bother making an offer because it would be a one year rental. This is collusion at its worst.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Dec 10, 2011 5:52 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I think you're a little bit confused
How would it be better if Howard wasn’t allowed to say who he wanted to play for. Then teams would be giving up big-time assets to acquire a player they may/may not be able to keep. It’s best for all parties involved if Howard gets to say where he wants to go.
Except that is if you are a butthurt Bulls fan who doesn’t want Howard to go to a good team.
by JSB on Dec 10, 2011 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok
First off, “butthurt” has to be the dumbest term I have ever heard. Second, I could care less if Dwight wants to come here. Honestly. The Bulls had the best record in the NBA without him. Heck, I am still not 100% convinced that what we would have to give up for Howard would even be worth it. I am sure it would be in the long run, but there is a decent chance we could be a worse team this year.
Furthermore, “it’s best for all parties involved” is rediculous. Since when are trades supposed to be best for all parties involved? If the Magic are willing to part with their superstar, they should have the right to shop him to any team they want. Both teams then have the right to accept the trade at their own risk. Howard is a commodity. He is a piece of property. His value is now severely diminished because he wants to be traded to a team with basically nothing to trade for him. Brook Lopez is a shitty return for Dwight Howard. Heck, Lopez+Humphries+everyone else on the Nets shitty roster not named Deron Williams is nowhere near what they could get for him if they were allowed to shop him to whomever they pleased.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
He is a piece of property.
Welp, that about ends the conversation, doesn’t it.
Let’s break this down a little bit.
No team wants to trade major assets for Howard UNLESS he will sign an extension. The teams Howard is willing to sign extensions with are the Lakers and Nets (and maybe the Mavs). This isn’t about Howard dictating where he will go. Instead it’s all about teams being worried about where Howard will sign as a free agent.
Agree to disagree
I believe the team that owns the player should be able to shop him wherever they want. Howard is hindering that process, plain and simple.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Wow
I believe the team that owns the player
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
Ok, misworded
They obviously do not own Dwight Howard. However, they do own his contract for the time being. And they should have the right to shop that contract wherever they please.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
They do have that right.
The problem is that they have to find a trading partner that is willing to give up major assets for Howard as a rental.
I guess I see your point
This circumstance (along with CP3’s) are just very unique. These will be blockbuster trades of titanic proportions. The Magic NEED to get a good haul for giving up Howard, but teams are not going to want to give it to them without reassurances. Rough situation for all.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
The Magic ARE free to shop him wherever they want to
Nobody will take Howard without him giving up his FA rights. You act as if drafting a player gives that team the right to control where he plays for his entire career.
Well
The team CAN shop Howard anywhere they want, but no team is going to BUY Howard unless he commits to them. This is less about the player’s desire as it is about other teams protecting themselves from trading half their team for a one-year rental.
Dwight Howard is not a piece of property. He is not a commodity
He is a contract employee. I knows its hard for fans to wrap their heads around that, but he has a say in where he works.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, he does
That’s what free agency is for.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
read what JSB wrote again
Any team can trade for Howard. But they won’t b/c they know he wants to play in Dallas, LA or NJ. Would you rather he not say anything, the Bulls trade all their assets for him, than he bolts too NJ as he knew he would all along? That is the alternative scenario.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that would leave a team with no players
AND no assets/draft picks. It would be suicide for any mid or small market team.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Again
I believe that players should not be able to influence trade negotiations. I believe that the team who currently holds the player under contract should be able to shop that contract to whatever team they like. I understand that they can, but I believe that Howard is holding too much influence over the process.
Then again, superstars don’t just get traded every day. Perhapsp I am too young, but I can’t ever remember this many superstars moving/requesting trades ever. I haven’t seen trade negotiations this complicated ever!
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Translation
That black guy has too much power.
Maybe an oversimplification and unfair. But after calling Howard a piece of property and saying the Magic own him, I think you deserved it.
This is just uncalled for
How do you know I’m not black? I am not a racist. I simply misspoke earlier. If Howard were white, I’d be saying the same thing. I never used the woord black even one time. We simply have a disagreement over how trading an NBA player’s contract to another team should work.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
I don't know you aren't black
In fact I thought about it when I was typing that response.
Sorry, but using the terms “own” and “piece of property” in relation to an African-American are just unacceptable.
Fair enough
Although, I would contend they are unacceptable in reference to anyone. Again, I simply misspoke.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Given the history though....
It’s especially bad when talking about an African-American. Especially because I kinda assumed that you were white.
I understand this
Again, misspoke. Apologies to anyone who was offended.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Don't get mad at the players for exercising their right under what's been bargained
Be mad at organizations being too dumb to make better decisions to keep that player. That’s where the problem lies. It’s too many teams in the NBA and too many owners of these teams that worry about the bottom line more than worrying about winning games.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 10, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you don't believe the team Howard is being traded to
should be allowed to talk to his agent to see if he actually wants to play there especially when he is in the last year of his contract and they are trading to acquire him for the next several years? I think your solution will create just as many problems as the supposed problem. In baseball, NFL, etc. no one trades for a player who is about to become a free agent. Why should the NBA be any different?
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
players have been picking their teams
in all sports since sporting began. Free will.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
He is a commodity.
And until that contract expires, he does not have a say in where he works. Once he becomes a free agent, he can go wherever he pleases.
What he does have is leverage. He can walk away next season and the Magic will get nothing for their “asset”, as such, they are preemptively trading him to cash out that commodity.
New signature coming...but its a process.
if you want to look at it like that, that's fine
employees are a type of commodity, especially valuable employees. But I think DRose01 and lot of people are acting as if he should shut his mouth and do as he’s told. And that doesn’t sit well with me. He is a partner in this and to many people don’t want to recognize that.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
While I don't exactly think that way (although it must seem that way)
That is often how the employer-employee relationship works. One of my bosses got fired this week for simply questioning the decisions of upper level management. He never even said he was not going to comply with their wishes, he was simply asking for an expanation. Now he doesn’t have a job.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
The Magic are free to release Dwight Howard whenever they want
No one is stopping them
In many ways...
I think the way Cleveland did it was better…they were prepared (okay, sort of) to let Lebron walk as a free agent, and when he chose to, they leveraged him into a traded player exception, which freed them from taking the bloated salaries of lesser players who were traded back.
I think New Orleans would be better suited to take this approach rather than taking on an extra $40M in guaranteed salary of Scola/Odom. They could then suck for a year or 10 if you are the Bulls (damn you Jay Williams) and wait for the next player to arrive via the draft. Otherwise, they are going to be stuck in basketball hell, just good enough to make the playoffs, not bad enough to draft a true superstar.
New signature coming...but its a process.
The only way of using the word "butthurt"
is describing the dumbass Dan Gilbert…:)
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
How does that make him a pussy?
The Magic are more than welcome to hold onto him. He isn’t holding out. If anyone is being a pussy, it’s the Magic.
i jsut dont liek the fact hes dictating where he wants to be traded
fuck that, the FO decides where he goes. If they get the best trade offer, lets say from the Thunder, then they should take it. FA IS A COMPLETELY different thing from trades.
What's happening is that TEAMS don't want to trade for DHO without an extension in the bag
The Thunder don’t want to give up Russell Westbrook, if Howard is just going to sign with NJ after the season.
who says the Magic want westbrook
it doesnt have to be westbrook. It can be a combination of perkins, harden, first rounders. that imo is better w/e nets have to offer.
The individual pieces don't matter
My point is that the Magic will trade him to the Nets BECAUSE that’s the best deal that they can get. Howard isn’t holding anyone hostage. The Magic and Thunder can make a deal if they want to. And I’m sure Howard would play out the season in OKC and then go to NJ. The Thunder don’t want to do that.
Totally missing the point man.
I hope I can say I did my best, achieved a lot and won a couple of world championships. - Michael Jordan, circa 1984.
no i get his point. my problem is with the players dictating where they want to go
while they are still under contract.
You and a number of other people are obviously missing the point
Nobody wants to take a risk that a superstar like Howard will leave them high-and-dry like LBJ did the Cavs. THAT’S why Howard has a say in where he goes.
yeah, i get your point and have from the beginning of the conversation
I already know they dont want to lose him to FA but I just have a problem with players demanding where they want to go and jsut limiting the teams options.
What you want is different from what countless
philosophical discussions and legal proceedings have determined to be fair.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
its what makes the NBA frustrating sometimes
and why the NFL has been more successful than the NBA, esp when it comes to the trading
Then watch the NFL
Where players are thrown away like used condoms every week.
Trying to wish that the NBA is more like the NFL is foolish. Simply put, the product in the NFL is the game. The product in the NBA is the superstar players. That’s why the NBA players will always have more power.
i watch both, each game is unique in its own right
but ur right, the NBA is a star driven league.
Its what makes the NBA awesome too.
The difference between the NFL and the NBA isn’t the system, its the game. Its the difference between a rotation of 45 players and 8 players. NBA players just have way more individual impact in relation to the team. Its still a team sport, but top-line talent is will always have leverage. A once-in-a-lifetime talent like Dwight Howard is going to have leverage and should exercise it as he sees fit.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I hate it too. FA he can decide where he wants to go, Trades tho should be the teams right to get the best deal they can for him, not trade him where he want to go, unless it’s the best deal for your team…
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
on the tiniest bit of significance if rip really does sign with us.
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by glycen on Dec 10, 2011 6:03 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
ITS OFFICIAL?! :D
See the most important parts are the ones that are unseen
See the wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king
If the league/owners really wanted to solve the problem........
of players demanding a trade along with their destination. They should make the “Bird rule” do the exact opposite when a player leaves his team. By that, a players salary is decreased by the same percentage if they sign with another team that drafted them. Therefore, a team is not held hostage by a player and his agent. This rule would go so far after signing another contract with the team that drafted him. Just a thought, and maybe solve the super-teams, promoting their brand, and promoting loyalty. Go ahead and beat me up, not trying to solve the NBA problems.
this is ridiculous
the NFL already solved this problem – franchise tag.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
NFL players also holdout after they have signed with teams and demand their contracts be restructured
and unproven rookies can holdout despite not proving a thing in the pros.
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on Dec 10, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions
Agree!
But they remain on their drafted team, correct?
Elway had a hell of a career for the Colts didn't he?
Manning on the Chargers too.
by JSB on Dec 10, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Newest CBA put caps on rookies
They can’t really hold out anymore
Eli Manning
comes to mind. John Elway? No one NFL players matters enough to care if they want to go somewhere or not. But they DO always pick their teams. And they bitch about their contracts constantly and threaten to leave teams all the time – Matt Forte – Chris Johnson. The difference between the two is that Forte doesn’t mean as much to the Bears as Howard does to the entire city of Orlando.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I wont deny one player on a 15 man team means more than one on a 55 man team.
However, we all are frustrated with how one player can manipulate the league or a franchise. I was just suggesting how to solve the situation. Yes, my ideas do have holes but controlling a players money is one solution.
The NFL: Everything the NBA wants to be
While at the same time, want to get a franchise at London..
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
I think the best solution is to get rid of the maximum salary
This is such an issue because the most undervalued assets are stars on rookie deals and legitimate superstars on max deals. The moneyball approach in the NBA is to load up on superstars at the max and then fill in with MLE and minimum vets.
guys could still take less money to play together in that situation
the only way to restrict movement is to negotiate some type of franchise tag.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
but the difference between less money
and what the timberwolves could offer you wouldn’t be a hard decision.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:26 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, you are right
I think the franchise tag is kind of unfair to the player anyway. So the no max contracts with a stiff luxury tax could be the solution. But the owners are so greedy, they wouldn’t consider it.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:30 PM CST up reply actions
I expect greediness and really that's ok.
Its the stupidity that gets me.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, but I think it would make the decision a lot harder.
Plus, in every other league superstar salary is an ego issue. It isn’t in the NBA because of the max salary. You think every FA wouldn’t try to bust the bank each year, rather than team up with a guy making the same.
you have a point
if Wade and Bron were both making $25 or $30 million a year than it becomes impossible to even field a team with the two of them on it. But the owners in the past have been so concerned about Albert Pujols type contracts, they have backed themselves into a corner. They need to take some responsibility for how the system is set up now, instead of constantly whining.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:33 PM CST up reply actions
Guess we know what's important to him...
McGrawDHBulls Mike McGraw
Guess they wanted him back after all. RT @MagicInsider: Magic close to terms with Jason Richardson
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Really?
This just seems like a silly move for both parties if Magic are trading Howard.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
it really is a dumb signing on the magics part
makes no sense whatsoever. I wonder what the contract details are
Damn.
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Jason Richardson has reached agreement on a four year, $25M deal with the Orlando Magic, league source tells Y! Sports.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
I was expecting it to be a little more than that.
He definitely could have been had for the Bulls full MLE
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
Orlando with Brook Lopez won't be that bad
but I think the 4 years was the important part for him.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
22* not 20.
And I think he would have left 3 on the table over a four year span for a shot at on a championship caliber team like the Bulls
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:40 PM CST up reply actions
Do we know hhow much that would be over 4 yrs?
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Tough call
I am betting no. He was willing to sign with Orlando who is likely trading Dwight Howard, and should not be anywhere near contending status. Did the Bulls make an offer at all
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
I don't think the Bulls made an offer.
But Richardson definitely would have accepted the Bulls full MLE which I believe is 4yr/22M
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
How do you know?
Bulls never extended an offer. Maybe the thought of starting for a championship team was worth the pay cut. Coming off the bench for the Celtics, not as appealing.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Meh, fair enough
Do we know if anyone besides ORL made him an offer?
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Good sweet lord
How is this a good idea for a Magic team that will almost assuredly be rebuilding?
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Yeah I don't get their decision or his
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
they have that arenas money to burn!
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't the full midlevel 4/21?
So the Bulls really are just cheap bastards. (not like I needed this for confirmation, but still)
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
It will be interesting to see how Hamilton does for the Bulls.
If he sucks, choosing him over Richardson will look really bad. It would be nice to know that they simply preferred Hamilton.
20.5M/4 yrs
@KCJHoop
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Most #Bulls could’ve offered JRich is 4 years, $20.5M. He signs with ORL for 4 years, 25M.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
Well that's just cheap and ridiculous
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
luxury tax reasons
thats why they didnt sign him.
I really think 2 years versus 4 years is a big deal
and I’m glad they didn’t decide to commit 4 years of salary to an aging player. That Jason Richardson contract may be a hard one to trade.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions
You know what?
We’re getting to the point where worrying about flexibility and years on a contract is becoming a moot point. An extra 2 years for J-Rich as oppose to 2 of Rip Hamilton should not be a deal breaker at this point. We were in the ECF last year. At what point does Reinsdorf decide to spend what it takes to win a ring? After watching Dunn, Peavy, and Rios get their money I’m just tired of hearing about the luxury tax and what the Bulls can’t do.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
by Dils on Dec 10, 2011 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Exactly
At this point, it really doesn’t matter. We just need to worry about retaining good players on our team, and using the midlevel to sign the absolute best player we can. Bulls are still bargain hunting for no reason.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
Locking up bad money is never a good thing. You have no idea what things will look like 2 or 3 years from now.
considering that J Rich 2 years younger than Hamilton
he will probably look a lot like that.
by Basketball Smurf on Dec 10, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions
cause J Rich is nto worth the luxury tax
think bout it, how much diff is there between Rip and J Rich? I m sure J Rich is a better shooter than Rip, but I jsut dont think its worth hitting luxury tax for a guy like J Rich. Now if we are talking about a solid SG like lets say, JR SMITH, then i would have def offered a contract liek that
He signed for 5 mil more
You think he really decided to stay in that hell hole of Orlando for 5 mil?? The Bulls didn’t offer him anything
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
like i said, J Rich is not worth the luxury tax
and in his third yr of contract, hes gonna be old and clearly be in the twilight of his career. the man is 31 yrs old, please, I would rather have Rip FOR JSUT TWO yrs anytime of the day
I don't care what we got Rip for
I’m concerned about putting the best fit on the team for a championship. Why are we worried about luxury tax?? Seriously? We’re not talking about a 6 year deal for a backup Center. We’re talking about getting the best option for our more pressing need.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
please tell me why would you have J Rich who really didnt do so well wit hthe magic last yr
the man numbers have been declining, alright, hes no JR Smith. Hes simply just not worth the contract if him and RIp are basically on the same level and we get Rip for relatively cheaper and shorter contract.
rip's defense coupled with shooting
fits better.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 7:05 PM CST up reply actions
I'm seeing that argument everywhere today.
And there are players to go after and give a big contract to. Jason Richardson isn’t one of them and I’d rather the Bulls not sign someone just to show that they’re trying. That’s not smart.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 6:57 PM CST up reply actions
if there was a guy like iggy in the FA
I would have DEF offered a LONG-TERM contract.
No they would be signing him because he's the better player
Honestly people are all excited about Rip and I really can’t tell you what the guy has left. I hope he’s got some gas left but I think Richardson at this point is the better player.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
From that perspective, I agree. You should get the best player possible.
I just don’t think Richardson is hands down better.
And I’m also pulling for a trade deadline deal for a marquee player as a third team in a trade that uses the various assets the Bulls have stockpiled. Two year contracts work better in this scenario.
by JockstrapNoah on Dec 10, 2011 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
wrong
the MLE is all we could offer. we could trade for him, but then you just give up depth for a guy whos old and declining
...and we're back
by paddyfairview on Dec 10, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Makes sense
The Bulls probably knew he was looking for a longer contract. Rip makes more sense…
Orlando playing for the #1 pick this year??
Gonna trade Howard AND give J-Rich a 4 year deal??
Richardson's deal is a bargain for the Magic.
I was expecting him to make a lot more money if he didn’t sign with the Bulls.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Me too.
I’m just saying I was expecting Richardson to make a lot more money than 4/25 if he opted to play for a crappy small market team.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure if the Bulls had offered JRick 4 years, 20 million--he would have accepted it.
Would you rather have JRich at full mid-level exception, or RIP at 2 years, 10 Mil?
rip at 2 years
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Dec 10, 2011 6:51 PM CST up reply actions
Rip at 2 years
But contracts aside I prefer Richardson
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions
Richardson's better, I'll take him
4/20 is not crippling no matter how you cut it.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 10, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're probably right.
and that contract would be easy to move in a trade for an upgrade later on. It’s really all about JR’s cheapness.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
somewhat agree. At least in the next two years, I feel like JRich is probably worth 6-7 million, anyways.
So i’d be fine overpaying over the last two years in the deal.
by TooMuch2Gain on Dec 10, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
Confirmed.
@KCJHoop
K.C Johnson
To be clear, #Bulls never offered full, 4-year MLE to JRich. Yet another attraction of Rip is shorter-term deal.
by BearDownChiTown on Dec 10, 2011 6:57 PM CST reply actions
This is really the last off season in a while where the Bulls have a bunch of trade assets
including Taj, Omer, our SG’s on short term deals, picks, and yet it doesn’t seem like the Bulls are trying to get a stud at SG like Mayo or Ellis. Instead the Bulls are trying to get bargains just to do “something.” And we all know JR is going to let Taj and Omer leave for nothing. It’s unfortunate.
by TooMuch2Gain on Dec 10, 2011 7:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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