Microwave Rumors: Nick Young and Knee-Mac want to take their talents to Chicago
[Thanks to Alex Sonty from Load O' Bull fame (and my vacation sub this summer) for this one. Look for more posts from him in the future in this compressed NBA season. -ed.]
Nick Young and Tracy McGrady reportedly, according to sources deliberately cynical leaks, want to be Bulls next season, Yahoo Sports reports.
Tread lightly with the prospects of Young, though. He's a restricted free agent, so the Wizards can basically force him to temporarily stay by matching any offer sheet he accepts from another team. On the other hand, if you're so inclined to fantasize (and I know Young is a fringe favorite among many Bulls fans since he was drafted), the only way the Bulls can fit what he'll be paid onto their payroll is by (a) finding ways to dump the contract of Carlos Boozer, Luol Deng, or Joakim Noah or (b) a sign-and-trade with Washington, so figure the sabres horns to rattle blow hard among the Bulls fanbase for Young until the trade deadline and maybe through next summer.
As for McGrady, we do have great restaurants which would value those talents. As for anything basketball-related, reading this felt like watching beautiful women vomit in each other's mouths.
You know the NBA offseason is upon us when Tracy McGrady is a topic, for the same reason that we're all shivering at Yahoo Sports reporting that he wants to play for Thibs with the Bulls:
Tracy McGrady wants to play for the Bulls, sources said, and coach Tom Thibodeau has a relationship with him going back to their Houston Rockets days together. T-Mac is still a consideration to return to the Pistons, too.
The value of McGrady isn't completely absent, for little other reason than he's 6'8" and used that length to grab 5.4 rebounds and 1.4 steals per 36 minutes last season with only 2.2 fouls. But the fact he's incredibly inefficient, turned the ball over at the highest rate of his career (15.2%) despite also posting his lowest usage rate (18.2%), and more closely resembles a nose-guard than a two-guard doesn't even make him worth an equitable portion of the mid-level exemption. If his value drops to where a veteran minimum is a reality, an 11th or 12th man spot on the roster wouldn't be terrible, but it's all relative, right?
Young, on the other hand, grew on me a lot last season. Always be weary of the guys described as "he'll get ya' buckets" because those are usually players who don't shoot well, can't move off the ball, and can't guard anyone. That cocktail is toxic for a team where the best scorer is the point guard, the coach prefers crashing the basket and perimeter players to read the balance of the defense to get open, and the entire dominance of the team revolves around help defense to stop opponents and create open floor offense.
I'm finally ready to accept that Young isn't that guy. Sure, his .497 eFG% and .538 TS% imply he'll simply need the ball too often to be an effective third or fourth scoring option on the floor, but all of those efficiency numbers were also career highs. More important, his career .383 3P% (.387 last season) and 94.3% of those being assisted last season shows he can be that cog in Thibs' street plan.
The statistical analysis is consistent with the spirit of the Yahoo report that:
Young hasn’t been much beyond a scorer in the NBA, and privately believes the chance to play for coach Tom Thibodeau could round out his game. Still, Chicago doesn’t have the cap space to make him an offer outside of Washington’s willingness to match the deal. The Bulls could find a way to be creative, however, but they’ll keep talking to several shooting guards and explore trades.
The best way for a young, athletic perimeter player's court vision and defensive I.Q. to improve is to relieve the necessary amount of energy he needs to expend on offense. A team coached by a man who refuses to comprise the basketball axiom that you use your energy on defense and rest on offense could be the path for Young to actually maximize his potential in the plus-minus sense.
Until we know all of the rules regarding the luxury tax and exemptions, the practicality of actually getting Young rates as incredibly slim. He isn't under the radar. He's young, athletic, aggressive, and can shoot you out of the gym. That's a guy who can financially benefit from being a salary cap albatross on a lot of bad NBA teams.
Remember: if more than half of NBA teams operated rationally, they would've never exercised the desperate effort to lock the players out and cancel ~20% of the season.
All of that said, I fail to see the price worth paying for Young that's too high to pay for Arron Afflalo. This really isn't controversial.
Unless linked otherwise, all stats via Basketball-Reference.com.
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Shouldn't you be working?
Sorry, I just thought that that would be a nice first comment for everyone to read since we are technically at work.
Hell yeah to Nick Young. Taj is really into him since the played at USC together. We should trade Taj for him in a sign and trade.
Also, you seem a bit skeptical as to the Bulls actually making a move. Need I remind you that we have expiring contracts, nice expendable assets with Taj/Mirotic rights/Charlotte pic and are in a climate where a lot of teams are trying to score big on a trade deal of which we could be the peripheral beneficiaries? I am pretty sure the front office will make a move and I am pretty sure its going to be a hell of a lot better than picking up TMac.
Peace.
Man, right when I was warming up on McGrady too
I only see him working out if he was given a major (6th man?) role, so no thanks if he’s truly 11th or 12th man material.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 1, 2011 10:14 AM CST reply actions
I don't have the knowhow with that stats site
but is it possible he did most of his shitty-stat work in the beginning of the season, and improved as he got further away from surgery?
Yeah, he was good-enough-to-deserve-PT-on-a-bad-team-improved
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There's no way Washington is stupid enough to let Nick Young go
He and John Wall combine for one of the best young backcourts in the game. Jordan Crawford is fine for garbage time minutes, but that’s about it.
by darksmokepuncher on Dec 1, 2011 10:14 AM CST reply actions
In what way?
The part where he’s 2-3 inches shorter or kinda of a bad shooter?
by Alex Sonty on Dec 2, 2011 7:52 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If there is any way to Young
For a reasonable price we have to do it. Afflalo is also restricted and supposedly Denver want’s him back especially with JR and Chandler stuck in China.
Completely forgot about Nick Young. He would definitely fill all the needs that the bulls
require in a SG. What would the wizards value in a trade though? I’m assuming they’ll match any offer, plus the bulls could only bid so much, so a trade is probably the only slim chance the bulls have of getting him.
On the J.R. Smith bandwagon until otherwise advised.
KC Johnson just tweeted:
Caron Butler has been working out in Chicago. Source close to him said he said this AM, “I hope I don’t have to leave.” #Bulls
as long as he doesn't get hurt again i'd love to see butler as the SG for a few seasons
IF we can’t get afflalo or young
by grabmesomeBOOZ on Dec 1, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Haha...I wouldn't
His last near full season he was crap. His TS% was lower than either of the other two by plenty. He has a worse 3pt% than Rose did last season (below 30% is not what we need). His ORtg was a 101. Who cares if he can create his own shot if he does so really inefficiently? The only thing he is good at is defense and rebounding. We already have a relatively young and healthy Ronnie Brewer for that. He would make our team worse than if we simply stuck with Brewer.
If we can’t get Afflalo or Young (although I am skeptical on Young), I’d rather go after Rip Hamilton. He can still hit the 3 ball. He posted decent, albeit not spectacular, efficiency numbers. Finally, his AST rate is pretty darn high for a SG. 4APG is pretty good for a guy playing with relatively crappy players around him. Butler is done and would be a worse fit than what we already have.
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by DRose01 on Dec 1, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
wow after seeing that i'm really surprised
i thought he was a lot better than that.
and that lack of a full season thing is scary. he’s never played 82 games.
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by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
yeah, i would rather have grant hill
damn, didnt think butler would be this bad, lol
He'll stay
once he tries the pizza
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by T.Moore on Dec 1, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Butler never played a full season, I think
I don’t trust his heatlh at all
by JustAnotherFan on Dec 1, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
boozer at camp early.
that’s something at least.
by obnoxious american on Dec 1, 2011 11:46 AM CST reply actions
PUAHAHAHAHA
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im somewhere between laughing and crying right now
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 1, 2011 12:11 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Why can't we win it all?
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by JustAnotherFan on Dec 1, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I really like the idea of Nick Young on the team
He is a great spot-up shooter, and can also create his own shot. But I wonder how our defense would look. He seems willing to play hard in that regard
Tmac with aPER of 15 with that team last year?
Id say he has some left in the tank, and he has massive respect around the leahue
He did some good things
And as ugly as it was, passed the eye test here and there, especially after the All-Star break. But for him to look anything near good, he needs the ball a lot to negate his inefficiencies. He can have a very good career end — just not on a good team.
What do you guys think about Shawne Williams
Shot the ball pretty well last year, but had problems in Indiana
I am really not sure what
the Wizards would want for Nick Young. They seem to be in rebuilding mode and are full of young assets. They also have tons of cap space. What do you offer a team like that?
they owe us one for sullying our image micheal jordan with a wizards jersey.

the least they can do is not match our MLE offer for Young.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
YOU OWE US FOR MJ DRAFTING KWAME BROWN
How ’bout that? :p
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 2, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Man I'm totally down for Nick Young
I think everybody here, anyone who’s a Bulls fan, and the Bulls front office themselves all want Nick Young, but now the question is, would the Bulls be willing to pay the luxury tax for that? I think, with Chris Paul’s move to the Knicks almost inevitable, and the Heat already in the mix, in order to stay competitive in the top of the East we almost have to. Realistically though, anything is almost a better upgrade than Bogans right now, so I’ll take anything, except T-Mac, he’ll probably be out for the year within three weeks of playing anyways…
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by Ceasaleo on Dec 1, 2011 8:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He chucks
Because it’s the Wizards playing for nothing at all.
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Young is shooting within the context of the offense, and our bigs are so bad at setting picks James Harden would have a hard time. That said, you aren’t paying for his playmaking, that’s for damn sure.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
Everytime I see the "take their talents"
Bullshit I remember we didn’t get LeBron.
If I never read that phrase – grammatically incorrect mind you – ever again, it will be too soon.
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by Ugh It Live! on Dec 2, 2011 6:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Nick Young is much taller than I thought
I thought he was 6’3", but he’s listed as almost 6’7" in shoes. I’d love to sign Nick Young. He can get more money elsewhere though.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Dec 2, 2011 7:41 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

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