The Need for a New Point Guard
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 4, 2011 11:27 AM CDT
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This is a topic I've been meaning to post about for a while now.
Last season, we all witnessed (sorry, Lebron) the rise of a new MVP in Derrick Rose. But, almost as important, is the fact he has helped usher in a new era and next evolution of the point guard position. Rose, along with guys like Westbrook and Wall (maybe not there yet) represent a new crop of PGs who are capable of going for 30 or 40 points on any given night. While this kind of offensive capability and explosiveness is an amazing asset to have in your primary ballhandler, I'm here to discuss a notion often mentioned here but I feel not truly dissected: moving Rose to shooting guard.
As a comparison to this theory, I'll use the career path of Dwyane Wade. Wade came into the league and played PG for the Heat as a rookie. As we all know, Wade had a remarkable rookie campaign, capped by a spectacular performance in the playoffs where he single-handedly beat the Hornets in the first round, and then almost did the same to the Indiana Pacers in the conference semis before the Heat lost the series in Game 6. The following season, the Heat brass made the crucial decision to move Wade to shooting guard. That year, as the Heat made a run to the conference finals before losing to Detroit in 7, we saw Wade distinguish himself as one of the top SGs in the league. Now, obviously, as it turns out, Wade is a great player and was sure to develop into a star regardless, but I believe this move to SG played a crucial part.
Here's the thing: there is an inherent disadvantage to being the primary ballhandler AND primary wing threat on a team. We all know Rose is one of the fastest players in the league end-to-end, even with the ball in his hand. But in the half-court, the ballhandler is slowed by the mere fact he has the ball in his hand. He is easier to guard and keep track of. This is a crucial point. With the ball in his hand, it makes it easier for the defense to key in on Rose. This is why it's my opinion the Bulls should eventually (hopefully sooner rather than later) move Rose to SG. This move helps in several ways. For one, it allows Rose the ability to roam around a bit more in the half-court where he can use his speed and quickness to his advantage and perhaps have the defense lose track of him on the floor. This can lead to more uncontested midrange jumpers and weak-side cuts to the rim. Also, this will allow him to preserve some energy over the course of the game/season as we will not be burdened with the responsibility of bringing the ball up the court on every single possession. We saw last season how this eventually took a toll on D-Rose and the truth is at the end of games in the conference finals he just didn't have his legs under him. (I think overall the team suffered from the fatigue of pushing it all year to get the league-best record and just didn't have another gear to kick it into once the playoffs came around, thus the struggles against Indy and ATL.) Allowing Rose to play off the ball will hopefully lead to fresher legs for our star player and leader at the end of the long haul when it really counts.
Financially, this also makes sense since I believe it's easier and cheaper to acquire an adequate starting PG than to find an elite SG. Any cheap option at SG is going to come with his own warts. So why not put our best player at SG where he can perhaps truly maximize his potential and then find a good floor general-type PG who can get the offense into position quickly.
This last point is something where I also thought the Bulls suffered some last season. I recall too many times where Rose was barely getting the ball across the timeline into the frontcourt and by that point, you're down to about 14 seconds to get into and execute your offensive set, and this can also lead to brushes with a shot-clock violation, as we saw several times versus the Pacers (if I recall correctly. Damn lockout makes the playoffs feel like eons ago) and the Heat. With the ball constantly in Derrick's hands, you're almost giving the defense help in containing him. We saw defenses gameplan for Rose all season last year, and to his credit, he still succeeded 90% of the time in shredding them apart. I believe a move to SG will make it a bit tougher to gameplan against him as an off-the-ball wing player and might lend itself to setting up Rose for a few post-ups a game as he develops that part of his game.
Maybe this is something Bulls brass has already considered, but I thought the subject to be timely given all the talk of acquiring a SG to pair with Rose once business resumes (if ever!).
Thoughts?
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Paragraphs, please.
Wall of text makes my eyes bleed…
by Doshi on Nov 4, 2011 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I apologize, but gave the disclaimer at the beginning
tried to fix the format on my iPad, but it just wasn’t happening. sorry.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 4, 2011 12:04 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Moving Rose to the 2 is a bad idea.
Rose was the MVP last season at… wait for it… Point guard. The Bulls had the best record in the NBA last season with… wait for it… Rose at point guard.
Wade is taller and stronger than Rose. He has played his entire basketball career at the 2 guard/wing position, except for 1 year in Miami. And if you put Rose at 2 guard than you have Rose guarding bigger, stronger, more physical players. You take away one of his primary advantages – his size. And you open him up for greater injuries.
The Bulls need to find a 2 guard who can handle the ball. Someone who can make teams pay for devoting 2 or 3 guys to guarding Rose. Someone who can let Rose play off the ball for a couple of possessions, but not someone who is going to take the ball out of his hands.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 4, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
I don't know if I'd regard it as completely taking the ball out if his hands
guys like Kobe and Wade end up being the primary ballhandler late in games anyway. even Jordan did the same. but it might help to have him not saddled with that responsibility the entire game so he has the energy to take on that burden when it really counts.
I do agree about him being matched up against taller 2s and how that might be something of a disadvantage, but I don’t believe Rose would be outmatched from a strength standpoint. if anything it might make him a bit more prone to picking up fouls, but foul trouble has never really been an issue throughout his career.
Caves did the same with Lebron. if I recall, he played point his rookie season as well. moving him to the 3, while logical, also has him sacrificing a major size advantage and instead puts him up against forwards more comparable to him physically, but it was necessary.
maybe there is a reason why only a handful if PGs have won MVP. perhaps guards of the caliber and skill belong at the 2.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 4, 2011 12:15 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions
you said exactly what i was thinking.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Why does he have to guard 2s?
2 on offense, 1 on defense. We’d just need a big PG to play along side him and guard the 2s on the other end….Kirk? :P
Your example of Dwyane Wade doesn't work
He was just moved back to his natural position. Moving Derrick would be doing the opposite.
Not to mention, Dwyane Wade has a better midrange game and far better post-up game than Derrick. Maybe Derrick’s midrange game will get better, but at 190-something pounds, I don’t expect him to be able to post up many (if any) opposing shooting guards.
Also, by moving Derrick you take away one of his primary advantages: most teams have to find larger defenders to guard him. That usually means that the opposing point guard is stuck guarding someone larger than them. Unfortunately, that larger person has often been Keith Bogans. Fix that problem and the Bulls wont need any position changes.
by darksmokepuncher on Nov 4, 2011 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I think Rose has a better mid-range game than Wade, even now.
Derrick is also a better finisher from close range with his superior use of the backboard and his unique array of floaters, hooks and push-shots.
by dakoose on Nov 4, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why did Rose tire out against Miami?
Because he was guarded by a 6’8" 260 lb beast, because the Heat had a collection of very aggressive, active defenders that played the passing lanes all series long and the Bulls have no one else who can step up and isolate to draw attention away from Rose. Because Boozer and Noah didn’t convert anything at the rim. Because James and Wade shot an unsustainable percentage from outside. Because Tom Thibodeau refused to spread the floor and stuck with the same half-court sets that clearly weren’t working.
None of this goes away if you insert Rose at the 2-guard, and the defense will suffer. You’re recreating the Bogans scenario with a different position. I don’t want Steve Blake as my starting point guard, nor do I want to see the trainwreck that is Kirk Hinrich back in a Bulls uniform and logging 30 minutes a night. Rose needs to get better, not switch positions. He needs a post game, better shot selection, improved defense, better decision-making with the ball. Management should still be doing all it takes to get a difference-maker at 2-guard.
Also, we’re not taking into consideration that Rose would simply refuse to play at SG.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 4, 2011 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I disagree with one part
Rose needs to get better
While that would be great, asking a player to be better after earning an MVP is asking a bit much. He can improve on all you listed but it shouldn’t need to be a requirement. Management neds to get him a better team.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
i think ozzie meant efficient better
as opposed to add more skill better. Rose still has a ways to go in terms of balancing efficiency and one of the hardest components for every pg not named rondo, knowing when to score and when to pass. When hes triple teamed, you can bet theres at least one guy wide open, and rose has to learn how to get that guy the ball in an area where he can score from. Having a second ball handler helps a ton, but id bet a guy like nash, cp3, and kidd could make a defense pay for sending more help their way with a deadly pass.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 6, 2011 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ahh
That I can see. And actually, if you take out October, November and December and just look at what Rose did for the last 51 games of the season, his efficiency was pretty darn good. What’s really scary is that Rose’s best month from 3pt land (December, 65.8eFG% for the month on 4 attempts) was actually his worst TS% month at 52.5%. He wasn’t getting to the line or hitting the midrange very well. After December, Rose finally figured things out. His 3pt attempts stayed pretty consistent and even went up, but his attempts at the rim skyrocketed and attempts everywhere else went down. He started taking it to the rim and getting to the line. I see no reason why Rose shouldn’t be able to increase his efficiency just because he has no learned how to get to the line more frequently.
As for making defenses pay with great passing, watch some of the Miami series again, especially pick and roll situations. Rose would draw a double off the pick and roll, backpedal to make space for the screener, dump the ball to the screener and the offense simply could not score off of a 4 on 3 advantage. This happened multiple times. This most notably happened in game 2 when Rose struggled from the field, but Boozer and Noah were a combined 7-19. They could not finish on those brief 4 on 3 opportunities. Lot’s of blame can go to Rose in that series, but Noah was a ghost all series and Boozer had one decent game. Even when Rose made the right pass, nothing was getting finished.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Nov 6, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
IDK about you...
I’d be quite fine with Kirk splitting time at the 1 with DRose. IMO, if you put Kirk Hinrich on the team last year instead of both Bogans and Brewer, the Bulls end up in the NBA Finals. You have a second ballhandler that has chemistry with at least 2 other players in the starting lineup and was developing quite nicely with a third. His defense is still absolute against all but the top 1% of wing players in the NBA. And his shot isn’t as bad as Boston Scum.
Actually, now that I think about it, the Bulls would be basically the same defensive team with Hinrich instead of Bogans/Brewer, with at least one significant offensive advantage. And, while he couldn’t completely shut down a DWade type player, he would have probably made his life a TON tougher on the wing.
i thought brewer was a positive aquisition for the bulls
and im a huge a hinrich fan. Brewer has an athletic advantage that kirk doesnt have defensively, and thats valuable. If anything, replace bogans and cj watson with kirk. Essentially, thats where kirks salary went (if u add up pargo, cj, bogans, scalabrine and the extra capspace we had left, it just about equals the 8 mil owed to kirk)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 6, 2011 8:26 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Chemistry? The Bulls roster was assembled in like 5 weeks and they won 62 games.
Their prized FA acquisition missed training camp and the first 15 games of the season and no one skipped a beat. So no, I don’t need a former Bulls player who isn’t very good anymore back on the team because he used to play with Rose, Noah and Deng.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 12, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rose didnt tire out. stern's refs gave the series to the bron because it was fiscally the best buisness move
hundreds of thousands tuned in to the NBA Finals because they wanted to watch LeBron lose. those viewers wouldn’t have watched if it was the Bulls playing in Dallas.
by kpd on Nov 6, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right, I just hallucinated Rose making bad decision after bad decision
Or Boozer and Noah having a worse time making layups than Kirk Hinrich.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 7, 2011 7:24 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
im not sure if i should rec
or flag……
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Seriously
I don’t understand the constant pining for Kirk Hinrich by Bulls fans. Is it the “gritty” or “blue-collar” attributes that tend to define slow, white players? Perhaps some of those “indefinable characteristics” that assholes like Bill Walton or David Haugh look for when statistics and common basketball judgment fall by the wayside?
Kirk is on the back nine of his NBA career. He’s VERY overpaid. He’s not going to get any taller, faster, or younger so for fuck’s sake people, give it up.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 11, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I know I know
Rec?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
he's only going to be "very overpaid"
for one more season. i’m sure he’ll get a contract more fitting to his role after his current one is up.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
Its a lost cause
Its not even worth debating at this point. The people who like Hinrich like an idealized version of the guy, not the guy who has been stepping on the court since the 07-08 season.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 11, 2011 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Bring back Ben Gordon
I’m actually serious about this one. He would solve all the Bull’s offensive problems.
I think it was a multitude of things.
He did get fatigued from all the defenders making him work and him having to guard wade at times throughout the game. He didnt get his proper foul calls when he did attack the basket. I dont think it was a matter of him not seeing his teammates, but him losing a little confidence in his teammates to make something happened offensively so he put even more responsibility on himself to take the game over at times. Besides that first game, nobody on the bulls was shooting the ball good enough to put pressure on the heat. that made it easier to help, rotate and clog up the paint. He should of made better decisions play-wise though, even if thibs encouraged him to keep running the p-n-r, he should of stopped it completely or only did it when the heat defense wasnt set, so they couldnt rotate properly.
Apostrophes:
They exist!
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
by Prevenge on Nov 10, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
A reliable SG is what the team needs
D ROSE will always be D ROSE. Every year he will get better, trust me. There is no need for him switch position because that has not been a problem for them. Obviously, having a dependable SG was their problem and it must be addressed this season (if there is any) ASAP!
This is the Truth. I'm Not the Best, I'm Not the Greatest of All-time. But, I'm Gonna Run Up on You. I'm Fast Because I'm Light, I'm D. ROSE and FAST DON'T LIE!
by BULLysh on Nov 10, 2011 5:34 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Great idea
let’s take the ball out of the hands of our best player…
What other gems you got buddy? Scott Skiles for NBA Commissioner?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
you're right. my ideas is so ridiculous...
I forgot that Kevin Durant, Kobe, Carmelo, Tim Duncan, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, Kevin Garnett, Z-Bo, (I think you get the idea) all play PG for their respective teams. how ludicrous of me to consider such an absurd option.
how about next time you want to shoot down someone else’s opinion, you come with an actual counter-argument.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 10:17 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
My counter argument
is to not do anything you proposed. And as per your list of “respective position players”, besides Tim Duncan (TIMMAY!!!!)/Kobe and KG how many titles do those guys have?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
what I meant was all those players are the best players on their respective teams but aren't the PG
are those teams nuts for not having the ball in their best player’s hands at all times? so the argument that we’d be taking the ball out of our best player’s hands just doesn’t work for me because plenty of other teams have success doing exactly that. I mean, is it so bad to imagine someone else setting up Rose as opposed to him doing it all by himself?
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 11:18 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Are you really saying that the ball isn't ALWAYS
in Kobe’s hands? Really? That’s your argument?
Wait – Melo too? REALLY?
And comparing a point guard to a center and a list of power forwards with the point of “setting up” (whatever that means in your world) someone who BY DESIGN scores most of his points and produces a large % of our teams points by handling the ball and creating?
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
difference comes down to the Bulls don't have a big man in the mold of some of those guys i mentioned.
as long as that is the case, the Bulls might be better off with Rose not being the PG or primary ballhandler/distributer because by nature it makes him easier to contain if he constantly has the ball in his hands. if the Bulls had Dwight, or Shaq, or Kareem, it’d be different. you’re perfectly fine having Derrick at point. but as the primary scorer for the offense, he might be better suited playing more off the ball. might, mind you. there’s a reason PGs usually don’t lead the league in scoring, but Rose has that kind of ability.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
if the ball is always in kobe/melo's hands...and they aren't PGs...
then doesn’t that counter your argument that moving Rose to SG would take the ball out of his hands?
What the shit are you smoking? Seriously?
I believe a move to SG will make it a bit tougher to gameplan against him as an off-the-ball wing player and might lend itself to setting up Rose for a few post-ups a game as he develops that part of his game.
So you’re wanting to put taller, more athletic defenders against him? May I ask, oh I don’t know, why? For the most part, point guards are inherently poor defenders by nature since their responsibilities on offense are so instrumental. You want to take away not only the speed and size advantage Derrick has on virtually 90% (Andre Miller, LBJ, DWill, Westbrook excluded) of the league’s PG’s and pit him against longer, more athletic players? Custard had a plan too you know.
Not to mention the fact that a simple halfcourt trap of whatever schlep you have as the new PG will force a turnoverpalooza beyond imagination of this poor critic. Derrick’s BIGGEST WEAKNESS as a player (when not in front of a microphone) is is off-ball offensive play.
I could go on and on as to why you sir, are clearly sans television, but I digress.
- overall picks and franchise players on championship-caliber teams (MJ/Kobe/Wade excluded) are not shooting guards.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
well, my television says the list of great PGs to not win a title is much longer than the list of ones who have won.
and with said PG being the team’s offensive focal point. I can only really think of Isaiah, Magic, maybe the Big O (if I recall they won one in Milwaukee), maybe Tony Parker for this generation.
was the post intended to give the opinion that Derrick should never handle the ball ever again? I don’t think so. but what I did have to offer was perhaps an easier road to pairing Rose with talent in the backcourt. it’s just my opinion that a formidable PG is easier and cheaper to acquire than a perfect shooting guard (which is what we’re asking for as Bulls fans apparently since we want amazing defense, ballhandling and playmaking ability, can shoot the 3, score efficiently… am I missing anything?). so fire back with all the wise-ass remarks you can think. no skin off my back. this is just an opinion, not a statement of fact. plus it was just a way to think outside the box from the same Afflalo/Mayo/JR/J-Rich options we’ve been reading about since June.
I’ve considered most of the counters some of the replies above have made, even while writing this post, but doesn’t mean it hurts to
throw it out there. obviously it hurt you.
how about we move Jo-No to PG and start Asik and save on getting a new player altogether? is that absurd enough?
my TV works just fine, thanx. but I am smoking some good shit, so maybe you’re right. maybe.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 10:39 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
oh, and btw...
out of all guards in the playoffs, only Russell Westbrook turned the ball over per game at a higher rate than Rose, and when factoring in assists, Rose didn’t even rank in the top 30 in ast/to ratio among all guards during the playoffs. so maybe Rose has some “turnoverpalooza” in him as well.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 10:59 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sample size
is something people tend to use when judging the overall quality/skills of a player. Just like it’s not fair for me to rip into your basketball acumen after reading just one idiotic post (although it clearly didn’t stop me) it’s not fair for you to assess Rose v Westbrook based a single year’s playoffs. And I find it hard to believe there were 30 other guards in the 2011 NBA playoffs in total, much less those that has a higher assist/turnover ratio than Rose.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
To clarify
30 other starting point guards is what I was saying. Of course fuckin Earl Boynkins or whoever other Johnny McBench Guy had a better ratio. Again…sample size.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
fair enough
all guards, regular season:
-Rose tied for 5th in TOpg (I understand players with usage as high as high as Rose will have high numbers in TOs)
-Rose is 58th in ast/to ratio.
I’d like to see that rank among players with at least 50+ games played, though mostly everyone on that list qualifies, but I’m on my phone and that’s too much trouble. point being Rose isn’t the epitome of ball security either.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 11:30 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
You know what
enjoy your bizzaro basketball world where you attempt to turn the youngest fucking MVP in the history of the league into a shooting guard.
I never said Derrick didn’t turn the ball over either but for fuck’s sake man he possesses the ball if not the most in respect to his teammates, it’s damn close, so give the kid a break if he’s played 40 minutes and lets a few go off his shoe or fires one into the 5th row.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
you know what, I'm gonna go live in my bizarro world since it's the only basketball I have right now.
you brought up the point about turnovers. I never mentioned that as a knock on Rose in the post. me putting up some stats is not an indictment on him, it’s just for curiosity sake. I’m not trying to destroy our MVP, just presenting a possibility for down the line is all. is it really so impossible to imagine him as a SG? I mean, would you have imagined Magic playing center in a championship-clinching game before it actually happened? but it did. nothing wrong with that.
don’t worry. I like you, little man. you cool.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 12:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
YES!
It really is!
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Ha sorry to get heated bro nothing personal
the 1st BaB fight of the season is always filled with pent-up offseason aggression.
But Little Man? I ain’t one of Avon Barksdale’s crack slangin’ boys last time I checked. And if I was I’d probably choose either Bodie or Slim.
"The Zen philosopher Basho once wrote: 'A flute with no holes is not a flute, And a doughnut with no hole is a Danish.' He was a funny guy."
by Ugh It Live! on Nov 11, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
s'all good. i'm the same right now.
it just feels good to be able to have these discussions.
really, this whole idea was born out of a conversation a buddy of mine and i were having one day a while back. sure, he’s a Heat fan, but i won’t hold that against him or his logic.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 11, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Rose has a lower turnover % than Chris Paul or Steve Nash
There were 18 players in the NBA last season with an ast% over 30. Of those guys, Rose has the 2nd lowest TOV% trailing only DJ Augustin. Rose doesn’t turn the ball over to much
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 11, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rose had friggen lebron guarding him
did westbrook face that kind of defense? rose had multiple guys being thrown at him per game. i’m not really surprised his ast/to ratio suffered in the playoffs. but it doesn’t mean that i don’t want him to keep doin what he’s doin.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
im of the school of thought that positions only matter defensively
if you have your center (noah) bring the ball up and make the pass that causes the score, for that one possession you could claim he was the POINT. Guys like phil jackson actually like to utilize the classic positions, which are still used when announcing starting lineups (guard, guard, center, forward, forward) allowing more flexibility in offensive schemes and taking away some presumed role of that position on offense (shooting guards dont have to just shoot, small forwards cant play big).
Defensively is where the positions matter more, and even then the lines can blur (lebron guarding rose, afflalo guarding durant). So to me the idea of positions is kind of over rated since from possession to possession it can change. If the bulls add an oj mayo, or even when playing alongside cj watson, i am in favor of running some plays with rose moving without the ball. I think we saw examples of this against the pacers who were doubling and tripling rose right off the bat. However, I think its better on most possessions for rose to have the ball to start off with, because the moment he touches the ball he puts the defense on its toes.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 11, 2011 12:19 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
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