Bulls, Heat & Celtics have expressed interest in Shane Battier and Grant Hill
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this sudden surge to get a sf
makes me think that the bulls might trade brewer/korver (or both) for that sg, who is probably gonna be of smaller stature (oj, monta, ben gordon??). Otherwise i dont understand whats the point of adding more sfs who arent really great ball handlers,
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Exactly
I was thinking the same exact thing. Why are they looking into all these small forwards if SG is a top priority?
i imagine they saw how heavily thibs relied on Deng and want a high level defender they can go to if he's injured
that could just be ronnie brewer tho so maybe he IS headed out
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by paddyfairview on Nov 30, 2011 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
It's like what's mentioned below
They didn’t lose the Miami series because of the depth of defense on the wings, so this really isn’t much of a priority
yeah but being able to repeat that depends on a healthy deng, which is no guarantee
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by paddyfairview on Nov 30, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Just because Deng was healthy enough to play well at a very high level of minutes last season doesn’t mean the Bulls shouldn’t acquire insurance in case he cannot this season; moreover, it’d be nice to keep Deng fresh for the playoffs by way of having a back-up SF Thibodeau will actually play, especially in this frenetic, abbreviated season-to-come.
One would have to assume
that they wouldn’t go this route unless they had a plan to address their primary needs too. They aren’t idiots, they can see the same things we see.
by runningman on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously that's a great idea.
No: as runningman states below, acquiring Battier would obviously be component to a larger complex of transactions. I just think the idea is sound and justifiable in principle.
Also: are we entirely sure Battier earns the full MLE?
Im not sure at all. he's a good defender but he's not pushing anybody over the top at this point
i think he will get slightly more than the vet minimum.
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by paddyfairview on Nov 30, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions
That was sort of my thinking too.
I just don’t think most of the teams that could really use or would really want Battier can afford (or would want to afford) dropping $5 million per annum on him.
Battier and Hill can both play the 2. More importantly maybe
they can both guard the 2. Not surprising to me that these names are popping up at all.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 30, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
i get that they can both guard or play the 2
but so can brewer and korver (well at least play the two at some level) i think neither these sfs (including butler) nor our wings are the type of sg that the bulls need, which is the kind who can create his own shot. We didnt lose because brewers defense, or korvers 3 point scoring, but mainly because neither of them could create their own shot.
Our next sg needs to have 3 of these 4 capabilities
defense
Shoot the 3
handles
shot creating ability
also to elaborate on the last two, ben gordon for example is a guy who can create his own shot, however he is a pretty shoddy ball handler overall who constantly lost his dribble when not looking for his shot. Aaron afflalo is the opposite, he does okay just dribbling the ball, but he doesnt have many moves that allow him to score off the dribble nor the passing instincts to make plays for others. He could play backup point for the nuggets because he was decent at bringing the ball up the floor securely.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i don't think these guys are the solution
it just doesn’t surprise me their names are coming up. They can play the 2 or the 3, they defend, they are good citizens and teammates, they won’t cost much money, they never complain about minutes or management – i’d go on but I’m scared Reinsdorf is on the verge of a psychic orgasm somewhere.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
ha
i agree i like the names as well, its just imagining a team with brewer, korver, battier/hill….thats pretty crowded while addressing no real needs…doesnt make sense from a basketball point of view. someones gotta be traded
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
We need a back up for dang
Anyone of these guys can help out and hill guarded lababy real good last yr..Brewer is not going anywere i think.Id like bulls to sign Hill he can play alot of positions.
I really like the idea of signing Battier.
In large part because I really like the idea of not grinding Deng’s bones into dust.
I am a Battier fan
why not
"Violence is not always the answer."
"Violence is the question, and the answers always YES!"
u do realize he is literally a bigger kirk hinrich
just hinrich has the guard abilities of handles and quickness
and battier has the forwardabilities of close range shots and strength
kirk is 6’3 6’4 which is good height for a pg
battier is 6’7 6’8 which is good size for a sf
both play a defense that really doesnt require athleticism and utilizes what some call ‘veteran moves’, both arent overly athletic or explosive for their position, both dont get many steals or blocks.
The biggest difference, shane battier didnt have to share his position with another good sf, so he was just beloved…kirk was polarized
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
don't know the numbers
but i always thought battier was a better shooter 17ft and out.
by obnoxious american on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
bout time i see some quality names
batty can play the 3 or 4 and grant can play the 2 or 3…both play team ball and both have won in the playoffs. I like
post-lockout blues...dada dada da
Either one of these over Tough Juice
He hasn’t been the same since the commish outlawed the chewing of straws and he stopped drinking Mountain Dew.
i feel like whenever it's Heat vs anybody in terms of signing a free agent
the Heat will always get the player first. Wade/The Bron/Bosh/warm/hottest girls in the world/no income tax = by far the best situation for NBA players.
I don't know about that
some guys still value playing time and opportunities to contribute. Do Grant Hill and Shane Battier want to be minor bench guys for the Heat or do they want a chance at crunch time minutes for the Bulls? Grant Hill has had opportunities before to go hitch on to someone for a chance to win a championship – he stayed in Phx because he wanted to play.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 30, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
right, it really comes down to brands i think
more established players who already have shoe deals and the like and just need a championship to cap off their career are gonna fly out to miami. Guys who are still brand building or looking to be THAT GUY are gonna come to chicago. Anyplayer who goes to miami will be considered as the guy who helped round out the heat. The guy who joins the bulls could be the guy who put the bulls over the top. If you are brand building you would rather be the latter.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
would be funny to get grant hill now
if only 12 years too late.
by obnoxious american on Nov 30, 2011 4:53 PM CST reply actions
the man can still play
and he actually still has some left in the tank. Im glad the bulls are considering Hill.
Anyone think all this interest in Caron hill and battier means deng is about to be traded?
Iggy/ellis deals coming?
Should've traded for Melo.
i really cant imagine deng being moved after they rode him for 40 minutes per game all season
thibs would have a seizure
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by paddyfairview on Nov 30, 2011 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
maybe thats the reason
how long do you think deng’s body is going to hold up like that
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Dec 1, 2011 1:22 AM CST up reply actions
and thats why you look for a backup. hill and battier arent taking deng's job; caron conceivably could
but it’s a downgrade considering he may not even be 100%.
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by paddyfairview on Dec 1, 2011 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
I think a trade is coming
There’s got to be a way we can wiggle into the Monta Ellis for Rudy Gay deal. And of course, I used our old pal, THE TRADE MACHINE, to mess around with a few things. Came out with this 3-WAY trade between MEM-CHI-GS.
MEM does this deal to get Monta, but also to grab a big man to back up Gasol in Biedrins.
GS does this deal to get Rudy, but also gets a defensive minded SG in Brewer to play alongside Curry, until the rookie is ready to step in. They then still have enough money to go out and get a Dalembert, Chandler, or DeAndre Jordan in FA.
CHI does it to get OJ. I guess we could throw in our 1st to one of the team as well
thats a terrible deal for memphis
rudy gay and oj mayo for monta and andris biedrins? of course, if anyone is dumb enough its memphis
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by paddyfairview on Nov 30, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think it's as bad you may think
Other than not trading Gay for Monta to start with. But if they are going that route, which I doubt since the rumor seems more unlikely because it’s all coming from GS, adding Biedrins, while getting rid of OJ opens up money to resign Gasol and gives them a quality backup to Gasol at C as well. MEM would have a glut of SG’s if this trade were made, Ellis, Allen, Mayo, Henry, and Vasquez, plus where ever they plan to play Selby. Someone would have to go.
They were set to trade Mayo for McRoberts last year and Biedrins is better than McRoberts.
i dont't buy it. the trade last year was for mcroberts AND a first round pick.
people see MEM’s situation as disadvantageous for Mayo, so his trade value is higher than his actual production dictates. Plus it’s probably only gotten higher in a thriftier market, since he’s a possible star on a cheap deal. I dont like him that much but, considering a monta-gay trade slightly favors GS anyway, I cant believe they’d ship him out for nothing more than Biedrins. They could get much more value doing separate deals.
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by paddyfairview on Dec 1, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, as far as going after a lot of these sf, the only thing that matters is if they're versatile enough to defend the two
and out of all the names I’ve read, the only one that made me think twice was Caron Butler. Not sure how that one would work out.
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