Arron Afflalo Talks Bulls
by Option27 on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 AM CDT
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Zach Lowe of The Point Forward recently did an interview with Denver Nuggets shooting guard, Arron Afflalo. Lowe has been banging on the Afflalo to Chicago drum for a minute now and didn't waste the opportunity to bring it up once the two sat down.
Below are the highlights . . .
Arron Afflalo has become, improbably, a bit of a cause célèbre among NBA die-hards. In his four years in the league, Afflalo has averaged double figures in scoring just once (last season in Denver) and never put up a league-average Player Efficiency Rating. Even so, fans of every team with a need on the wing — and especially fans in Chicago — are clamoring for their club to make a run at Afflalo, who will be a restricted free agent once the league resumes business. A lot of Bulls fans preferred him when presented with a theoretical choice between signing him and trading for Golden State’s Monta Ellis, and I ranked Afflalo as the best wing free agent considering all factors — age, cost, potential and value.
SI.com: The Bulls could use some two-way punch at shooting guard. Have you thought about how you’d fit there?
Afflalo: Oh yeah, my agent [Sam Goldfeder] brought that up to me before the lockout. He definitely mentioned the Bulls as a dream that would be great for me based on fit.
SI.com: There’s a fine line, though, right? You don’t necessarily want to take too big a role in your team’s offense, especially if you’re playing with someone like Derrick Rose.
Afflalo: The key is to be efficient. I’m just trying to figure out how much of my game I can put forth before it’s detrimental to my team. I’m still heading toward the direction of using more of myself, but I will never let it get to the point where I’m trying to be a star but my team is not winning.
And I felt last season that as I got better as an offensive player, there would at times be some slippage in the defensive intensity I’ve shown throughout my career. I didn’t like that. I want to get my conditioning and strength to where I can guard the other team’s best player the whole game and still score efficiently.
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dude...
me wants this wing on this team….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2011 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
i just don't see how the nugs let him go
half their team went to china. damn restricted free agency. :/
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
by Jaina on Nov 3, 2011 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
on denver stiffs this article is the main page article of the day
and the inhabitants of d.s. are freaking out that hes gonna go to the bulls….
Finally someone reminded them that hes a restricted free agent, and that unless some other team offers him an ungodly amount, hes not going anywhere.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
that could be interesting
I like brewer, but i suppose that possibly A.A. would be the same as brewer, without the athleticism, but with a much better offensive game? And with jimmy buttler in the picture maybe brewer is a bit more disposable? However im sure nuggets would want more than that……i dont know….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Plus the bulls have some trinkets
like the random 1st rounder of charlotte and the mirotic rights.
Brewer, and the two above assets would be over paying but I’d do it especially since Afflalo feels like a final piece.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 4, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The Charlotte pick is IMO pretty much ONLY for big-ticket items. Like Dwight.
AA probably isn’t worth that.
by Doshi on Nov 4, 2011 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I just think if there’s an opportunity to get AA and compete for the championship this year, you have to get him. Dwight Howard is going to try to play the same game as LBJ. Play coy, make 5 or 6 teams seem like a real possibility and then leave you at the alter.
It doesn’t make sense to hoard assets for Howard.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 4, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
i'd give up the charlotte pick for afflalo
but not mirotic, i think. no reason to use ALL our assets on basically a role player. however, i do agree with the premise that we shouldn’t hoard everything for some slim chance we may get howard, since AA could definitely give us a significant boost.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
yeah I don't see it either
which is too bad because I’m swooning.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Even if he was unrestricted, I wouldn't be too optimistic
Reinsdorf was pinching pennies before the new CBA
With a steeper luxury tax, I think we can look forward to more of the same.
by darksmokepuncher on Nov 3, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
for a potential final piece
i think reinsdorf knows how much money championships make. There is no reason to believe we were anywhere near full power and we made the ecf, with a whole year together plus a wing that solves several of the bulls flaws (extra ball handler, another 3pt shooter, offensive ability without sacrificing defensive ability) i think you pull the trigger. And its not A.A. is a star, hes a very good role player, so its not like he would be demanding the max or anything. I say the biggest reason this doesnt happen is because denver matches every offer
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 3, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
the other thing that sucks about RFA
is money aside, he may really want to come to the bulls because it seems like an ideal fit for him. but he doesn’t get to make his own choice. now, i’m not saying this is afflalo, but in the situations where the player is unhappy with their role (like gortat for instance, although worked out for dallas in the end acquiring chandler instead a year later) and wants to move on for a bigger opportunity, and the other team matches and basically hampers that, really too bad for the player. i don’t know why teams want to keep an unhappy player sometimes…
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
im sure he and his agent realize that from the get go
so i would at least hope, they would restrain any attachment to playing for another team an relegate themselves into accepting that they will play in denver another year. Also from the interview, it doesnt seem like he hates anything about denver per se, and maybe he does want to go and be on a winning team, but i doubt hes gonna pout if he remains in denver.
I could see some other, more ‘heart on their sleeve’ type players pouting for a season, but im sure those type of players are far and few in between
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
oh, as i said
i wasn’t saying afflalo had given any indication he was unhappy. but it sucks that if they get a nice offer sheet, then they are not actually bound to team for one more year – but for the length of the contract (if they play it out) if they sign an offer sheet. course, if they really want out, they could just sign the QO, and ensure they only have one more year on that team, but still, kinda shitty. it’s not even about pouting, well it kinda is, but it’s too bad for the player when they could have gotten a bigger opportunity elsewhere, in some cases.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
i agree, it sucks especially for the 'role players'
since stars usually get extended before the restricted period happens, role players are often screwed over. Guys like AA who worked their butts off in a season only to not get a contract extension, and at the same time unable to go to one of the bigger cities that seemingly might be a perfect fit. I am sure the players kinda expect it already, but i agree with you that in general, it sucks…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
That last question made me tingle
great question, awesome answer..im on board
"Psycho: I'm liable to go Michael/take your pick: Jackson, Tyson, Jordan - Game 6."
seriously
hes not a headcase, hes not a me first guy, he has the personality that belongs with the rest of the bulls players, and hes willing to do whatever it takes to WEE-UN. The guy is pining for the bulls job….damn that restricted tag!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
why cant i be humble?
why? why?
"Psycho: I'm liable to go Michael/take your pick: Jackson, Tyson, Jordan - Game 6."
c'mon, we all know the NBA is rigged...
the leagues wants the Bulls, and specifically their new poster boy, Derrick Rose, to win a title. he’s even currently nominated for SI Sportsman of the Year. when was the last time an NBA player got that distinction?!?
the new CBA will have some one year clause that will allow the Bulls to spend whatever they want to get whoever they want. so they’ll just throw the max at Afflalo. bam, championship!
;)
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 3, 2011 4:53 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
you had me till max lol
"Psycho: I'm liable to go Michael/take your pick: Jackson, Tyson, Jordan - Game 6."
by Belize on Nov 3, 2011 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, we're basically hoping for him to be 10 times the player Bilbo is...
so close enough.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 3, 2011 7:53 PM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
the name's Bogans...
Bilbo Bogans
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 4, 2011 9:28 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions 4 recs
ahahaha amazing
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I'd rather have Mayo via trade, or BG via amnesty, but I'll settle for it. I'm not totally sold that Afflalo could "create" his own shot.
The only game I totally watched him was when he hit the game winner vs. the Mavs, and he looked damn good that game.
THEO!
i dont know if he can create his shot either
but he does run backup point for denver at times, so thats gotta mean something right? And rose has shown he can play without the ball in just his hands…so theres things that can be done.
Im not sold on oj mayos ’star ability" either….and we definetly would have to trade major pieces to get him, while i can dream that for some reason (A.A. pleads them not to?) denver chooses not to match and the bulls just sign him without losing anyone on the team….
As far as im concerned, AA is everything the bulls organization tells us bogans is supposed to be, but with the ability to handle the ball to boot.
My dream scenerio, we somehow sign afflalo (see above) and then trade korver, brewer, and taj for oj mayo. ….YIkes….
Rose/Cj
Oj/AA
Deng/Butler
Boozer/Thomas
Noah/Asik
with bogans getting that luxurious bulls ‘mentoring’ job….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
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#Nuggets Shooting Guard Arron Afflalo brings up the #Bulls as a “dream fit” for his upcoming free agency. iamagm.com/news/2011/11/0… via @iamagm
THEO!
Derrick Rose's next tone setting statement
Why can’t Arron Afflalo play for the Bulls?
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by macjack09 on Nov 3, 2011 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
a hilarious nugget that i overlooked the first time i read it
SI.com: If there is a knock on your game at this point, it’s that you haven’t proved you can create your own shot consistently at the NBA level — whether it’s in isolation, on pick-and-rolls or whatever. If you look at the numbers, you haven’t used a very high percentage of your team’s possessions.
Afflalo: Yeah, my usage rate has been pretty low.
SI.com: Usage rate? You know the advanced stats, huh?
I also like his “as long as im a millionaire ill be fine” line (or rather, the bulls organization loves it)….honestly, i think if we get him, he will be my hinrich replacement…now theres a thought!
Afflalo: [Laughing] I’m a student of the game.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
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I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Wow I've never seen a player reference advanced stats
Sounds like he genuinely is a student of the game. I like that.
Pat Riley is the devil.
USAGE RATE?!?
HE FUCKING USED THE WORDS “USAGE RATE?!!?”
pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
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by boyonthedock on Nov 8, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
Damn
this guy sounds like the dream player the bulls need, beside MJ coming out of retirement. He’s aware of his game and he is a good defender , good three point shooter, and he can handle the ball.
Here's a video scouting report of Afflalo, done by a the Nuggets blog "Roundball Mining Company"
It’s a little dated and is based on video from Afflalo’s days with the Pistons, but it’s a pretty good vid for anyone who’s not extremely familiar with Afflalo’s game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwxFuWKZniE
Pat Riley is the devil.
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and raise u some basketball HOO HAA
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I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
My jaw is on the floor
I’ve never heard a player discuss trading off usage and efficiency and trying to optimize their usage to their team’s benefit. I’m speechless.
I think I’m in love.
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I've been saying this all along
Everyone wanted to chase Mayo, I said Afflalo is the answer, you said it would never happen. The Bulls need to get him!
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Lol.
People here have been clamoring for Afflalo since well before you joined this blog. Additionally, Afflalo saying that he’s like to be a Bull doesn’t increase the chances of the Bulls getting him until he’s actually a free agent, which he isn’t for at least another year.
Beyond that, he is not the “answer” alongside Rose. He’s a souped up version of Bogans, but he isn’t going to be the creator that some of us would like the 2 guard to be. A guy like James Harden would be more of an “answer” than Afflalo, like Bullieving in Miami said below your comment. He’s a fantastic shooter, playmaker and passer and can easily create his own shot.
by dakoose on Nov 4, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The only caveat to what you said above.
Is that Afflalo has the potential to be (or already is) a top 5 wing defender. We think of Bogans and Brewer as defending 2’s, but Afflalo would be a better defending 2 with efficient offense. Hard to find.
Harden would be just flat out mind blowing on the offensive end playing next to Rose. (As would mathews and a host of other scoring 2s)
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 4, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither am I.
I saw Bogans and Brewer do some fantastic work on Wade in the playoffs and in the regular season playoffs.
i think brewer has the better size and strength
to be more of a factor on defense than afflalo, but i dont think its that huge of a difference. Essentially, Afflalo can do the job of both korver and of brewer….AT ONCE. Remember all those times we wondered who would be better off starting, brewer or korver, and we always found ourselves in a pickle because brewer couldnt shoot,and korver couldnt defend. AA solves that problem,and he can act as a secondary ball handler to boot.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 4, 2011 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yep
its the combination of skills that make AA the critical piece.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 4, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree overall.
I’m pro-Affalo. But at the same time, we should realize that’s while he’s a good defender, he’s not that good. I think Brewer’s actually a lot better than Afflalo on defense. RAPM says Afflalo’s a -0.1 on defense, while Brewer’s a +3.1. While we’re at it, he’s not the shooter Korver is either.
Pat Riley is the devil.
.423 v .413 from the 3 pt arc
Afflalo owns the higher number.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 5, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Korver takes 6.1 3PAs/36 min while Affalo takes only 3.5 3PAs/36 min
Korver is better at getting off his shot than Afflalo is with his quick release, and that makes him a more dangerous shooter.
Pat Riley is the devil.
he is a still bit of everything, thats his appeal
instead of running a platoon of guards, Afflalo can put in significant minutes at the two and when you need to specialize, you would still have either Korver, Brewer, or Bogans (depending on if there is a trade.)
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by hedonism bot on Nov 5, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, that's simply not an accurate measure of individual defense
Aaron Afflalo is a far above average defender. That stat has JR Smith at a -.03. I’ve watched the two of them play and there is no way in hell that they’re about even. Kyle Korver is at a 1.4, which is showing me that this stat is much more of a team rating than an individual rating. I dare you to watch Korver against an elite offensive player, and Afflalo against that same player and conclude that Affalo isn’t dramatically better than Korver.
After looking over the RAPM formula, it’s just raw +/- stats, turned into “adjusted plus minus” by ignoring some results and running a formula on the rest, and then made into “regularized” adjusted plus minus by changing whatever is needed to make team the numbers better line up with team success. I’m not sure why you believe it has any degree of accuracy on judging an individual player’s defense, especially when it’s in disagreement with all scouting reports. It still suffers from the same deficiencies of any +/- stat, which is that you can’t separate 1 person’s impact from the other 9 people on the floor.
Also, Afflalo has had a higher 3 pt percentage than Korver for 2 of the last 3 years.
So because there are a couple instances where RAPM doesn't match up with your preconceived notions, we should throw the whole thing out.
Yes, it isn’t perfect, and I’m not saying that Afflalo’s absolutely a below-average defender because RAPM says so. But when RAPM shows such a huge gap between Brewer and Afflalo, that sends me a signal that Affalo probably isn’t the world-beater that everybody thinks he is. RAPM is hardly the only piece of evidence behind my conclusion, by the way. I actually watch basketball too, and while I think Afflalo’s a solid defender, I’ve never seen anything to suggest that he’s a “top 5 wing defender.”
By the way, your understanding of RAPM isn’t really that accurate. I suggest that you do some more research into the methodology behind it before you completely throw it out the window.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I don't watch a lot of West coast games
Have you seen AA against elite players in important games? How does he do against Kobe, CP3, D Will and those types? He seems smart enough that I think he would be a good fit in this defense.
the skill set is good
I think people are overestimating Afflalo’s impact though. Affalo is not a good ball handler imo either. No better than Brewer.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 4, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewer can barely bring the ball up the court
I don’t think Brewer is a good ball handler at all.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 5, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
AA played backup pg in college
and in denver there were stints where george karl would put him as the point, albeit not for a short period of time…brewer ran backup point in high school…….so while neither may be nba point guard type ball handlers, its also a stretch to say that afflalo is as bad as brewer at handling the ball…ive seen him put the ball on the deck after a defensive rebound, he gives it up early, but theres nothing that made me cringe in the way he handled the ball.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Exactly
That’s Affalo’s true value. Having Brewer and Korver on the roster is fools’s gold at the end of games since you can’t merge their talents, and whoever you leave out there at the end of a Miami game will cost you points.
yes.
+1
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 5, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I want Harden
now HE is an explosive offensive player! that us one shooting guard I would die for to have on the Bulls. plus the De La Soul beard does it for me (no homo)
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 4, 2011 9:31 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, he's even more of a pipe dream than afflalo though :P
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Afflalo and Courtney Lee are the same exact player.
Both are 6-5 SG’s who shoot 40% from 3, play hard nosed D, can handle the ball, but can’t create their own shot. Oh yeah both are 26. Lee averaged 8.3 ppg in 21 minutes a game. Afflalo put up 12.6 in almost 34 a game.
Lee had an PER of 12.63 and Afflalo’s was 13.61. The major difference is that Lee was playing behind Martin and Afflalo only had to compete with the knuckle head better known as J.R Smith.
It’s amazing that people will trade the farm for Afflalo, but would curse the the org if the traded Asik for Lee. Lee might actually be a little better athlete than Afflalo IMO also.
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by illwill on Nov 4, 2011 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Good point.
I guess one difference is that Afflalo has been on steady upward trajectory while Lee’s career has been more up and down. But I agree, they are pretty much the same player.
Although in fairness to the Bulls – the Rockets themselves were asking for a lot for Lee.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 4, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Another major difference:
Lee might actually be available.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say that Lee is the player Afflalo is, but they’re close. And when you factor in the resource it would take to get Afflalo, I actually prefer Lee.
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by MPG on Nov 4, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
What on earth do you mean here?
Lee’s the one who’s actually under contract, so Afflalo’s the one who’s more available.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Afflalo's a restricted free agent playing for a team that just lost it's other shooting guard,
whereas Lee is a second stringer that’s been dangled in contract talks. There’s a great deal of projection here – on my part – but that’s why I said “maybe.”
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by MPG on Nov 5, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
but afflalo talks about stats!!
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Nov 4, 2011 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nobody's saying we should "trade the farm" for Afflalo
I’d be pretty peeved if we traded Asik for either of the two. I like both of them, but only in the sense that they’re a lot better than what we have currently. Neither one’s that great, and I’d rather just roll the dice on Jason Richardson, Vince Carter or Rip Hamilton than give up Asik.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Lee is a good player, but they're not the same
People were down on Lee after his second year because he shot 33% from 3 point range that year, which is unacceptable for the role he’d be expected to fill for the Bulls. It was good to see his shooting rebound last year. It should still be noted that in the last 3 years, Lee shot .380 over 602 attempts, and Afflalo shot .423 in 604 attempts. I don’t think it’s accurate to see that their shooting ability is equivalent.
Also worth noting is that although they both scored about 14 points per 36 minutes, Lee did it at 44% shooting and Afflalo did it with a 50% fg percentage. Afflalo had a .620 TS% last year and has improved all 4 years he’s been in the league. Courtney Lee had a .534 TS% and his rookie year percent of.556 is still his best shooting performance of his career. Afflalo profiles as an extremely hard worker who might not have reached his ceiling yet, while Lee profiles as an inconsistent player who’s only as good as his situation.
I’m sure that both of them would play great defense and succeed in Thibs’ system. I’d definitely give up more to get Afflalo than Lee, though.
by runningman on Nov 5, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You should also note that Afflalo has actually played on consistently good teams,
Where Courtney Lee was a salary cap victim that got shipped to the Nets where they won 12? games that year, bringing down all his averages.
Having said that, Afflalo is better then Lee, but the price of getting Afflalo may far outweigh the price of getting Lee, and that’s pretty important too when you have other pieces to fill.
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Awesome points. Nice use of advanced stats!
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by WalmartSecurity on Nov 10, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
My dream free agency would be
Afflalo (SG), Kirilenko/Jefferson (if amnesty) (SF), Dalembert. Of course, this would mean they have to take on lesser salaries, which is unlikely unless we amnesty someone ourselves
why dalembert?
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by hedonism bot on Nov 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Two points:
1) Asik for Afflalo would probably work, depending on whether or not Nene leaves during free agency.
2) He won’t be a restricted free agent when the season starts again…in 2012.
no way the nuggets let both afflalo and nene walk
the idea i got from the Denver Stiffs blog was that they (nuggeets) would match any offer for afflalo so long as it didnt conflict with resigning nene.. Nene is more important to them than afflalo right now i guess.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
hey larry hughes still needs a job
Just sayin…
"Psycho: I'm liable to go Michael/take your pick: Jackson, Tyson, Jordan - Game 6."
no
don’t say it, EVAR
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by hedonism bot on Nov 13, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
I think he would all use some perspective
I’d LOVE the Bulls to somehow acquire AA but Mayo is still there to be had. Let’s not forget that he could have been had for Josh McRoberts.
That’s the deal that needs to be made.
by Option27 on Nov 7, 2011 12:51 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
no he is not "just" there
or else he’d be a bull already.
That’s the deal that needs to be made.
true.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 13, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
no way
should we ever trade Asik for Afflalo
by MartyMondays on Nov 7, 2011 5:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Don't we have to match salaries in a sign and trade?
So just Asik wouldn’t really work. I don’t think they take Asik anyway. Nene isn’t going anywhere, and I can’t see them trading a starting G for a backup C.
I would think Affalo’s market value would be about $4-6 mil. Honestly, I would be willing to give a 4 yr/$26 mil deal, just because I believe he’ll will continue to get better. He might compare to Courtney Lee now, but give him a year or 2 and he could very well be a “healthy Brandon Roy” type of player.
The player that Denver would be interested in is Taj. They have no true PF on the roster, Al Harrington and rookie Kenneth Faried being the only 2 on the roster. Trade Taj and Brewer for Affalo and u may have a deal.
by Ceasaleo on Nov 7, 2011 7:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Not sure about matching...
That will depend on the new CBA…rumored to have less restricted salary matches for trades.
7 for 7.
Asik has more value in the nba
than Afflalo will ever have. Asik is a 25 year old 7 footer who changed playoff games as a rookie. We could get a lot more than Afflalo if we started shopping Asik.
Asik is all defense no offense.
As great as his defense is, he’s a flawed player: he can’t make free throws, he’s not an offensive threat, and he gets winded, he can’t play 35 minutes a game.
Afflalo is a complete basketball player that would fit perfectly into the current starting 5.
I’m not advocating trading Asik for AA. Asik is such an unusual player and fits so well into the second unit of this team that it’d be much more difficult to find another Asik than it would be to find a better starting 2 than bogans. But that doesn’t mean Asik has exceptional trade value.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 12, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Conditioning is not something permanent.
Noah used to get winded after 25 minutes too.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 12, 2011 6:01 PM CST up reply actions
Teams would give up more for Asik then for Afflalo
there’s no way to show you proof obviously but talented 7 footers are priceless in the NBA. Check Brendan Haywoods contract for example.
We could probably get a player of Kevin Martins status if we did a package of Asik, 1st round Picks, and Brewer or something. Not saying we should just saying something along those lines is probably possible.
And the all defense no offense argument for an NBA big doesn’t matter, just wait and see the contract that Tyson Chandler is going to get this off season it will be much more than Afflalo’s and Chandler is a horrible offensive player.
by MartyMondays on Nov 13, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
Thats true about Chandler.
But I’d not say Asik hasn’t proven himself as a starting center yet. I think he’ll get there, but until he does he’s not deserving of a Chandler like pay day.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 13, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
i never said a Chandler like pay day
But when his contract is over with the bulls he will get some big offers.
by MartyMondays on Nov 14, 2011 4:24 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Only way I'll trade Asik
is for that SG on the Thunder forgot his name. THAT guy would be perfect
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James Harden?
That guy would be PERFECT.
by MartyMondays on Nov 12, 2011 3:16 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not 100 percent sold on him either
i just really love players like him that are so multi talented it’s great to watch.
by MartyMondays on Nov 13, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
are you both not sure of his ceiling or is it something else?
because even before he blew up last season he looked like an awesome fit for the Bulls.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 13, 2011 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
harden's ceiling?
I’m not 100 percent sold on him because i haven’t watched him play too much, he looks like a perfect fit though. Too bad its not possible to get him.
by MartyMondays on Nov 14, 2011 4:25 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Harden is a more efficient, better shooting Salmons. They have similar old-man style games but Harden is much better overall
i consider harden a classic two guard
jordan kind of changed all of that when he came into the league and the started the evolution of the position but harden is about everything you’d traditionally want from a 2.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 15, 2011 6:46 PM CST up reply actions
No way, harden is most definetly the modern two guard
Honestly, a guy like bogans is more of a traditional shooting guard. Traditional shootings guards were always your best shooters, their job was to score via jumpshots, the small forwards were the ones who played sort of an inbetween game via slashing, power forwards were your post players and centers were usually anchors on both sides of the ball. Harden is a modern style guard who can do it all, slash, shoot, create. The modern era has very much blurred the lines between positional roles, and position players more by size which tends to matter more on the defensive side of the ball. If harden was 6’7 as opposed to 6’5 he would be a small forward.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 15, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
you don't know what youre talking about
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
...thats my line
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 15, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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