Frenzy before free agency: Amnesty cut possibilities may be slim, will the Bulls look elsewhere?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 28, 2011 11:05 PM CST
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PrintFrom even before the tentative agreement of the new CBA, the idea of finding a low-priced quality veteran via another team's amnesty cut seemed appetizing. When details of the agreement rolled out over the weekend, I presented the addition of a 'secondary waivers' for amnestied players as a relatively minor footnote. But I've since been quickly convinced by Bulls Confidential (among others) that this provision is a big deal. Though there are still some questions to be answered in terms of how that second waiver process works, I can't think of a reason that a quality player like, say, Rip Hamilton wouldn't be picked up by an under-the-cap team for as possibly low as the minimum.
Combining that likelihood with the possibility that many teams will want to hang onto their amnesty-out-of-bad-contract-jail-free card for future seasons (like the Bulls and Boozer, potentially), this severely hinders the Bulls chances of getting a quality player via that route. On the bright side, no other contending teams will be able to do so either. I think that was kindof the idea. Tricky work, NBA.
So as a coincidence or not, KC Johnson's most recent piece, as opposed to previous ones, has little mention of amnestied free agents, and instead posits the idea that, hey: How about CJ Watson and Keith Bogans and Ronnie Brewer share the SG job, and the Bulls focus their efforts on a backup PG like TJ Ford. What the fuck?
Then this kicker to end it...
Though nothing is definitive, it's considered less of a possibility the Bulls will use their entire midlevel exception on a long-term deal for a shooting guard because of luxury-tax concerns in the first year of Rose's five-year maximum extension near $100 million.
...and a mention of Arn Tellem and Jerry Reinsdorf's weekly bridge game to make this a truly visceral stomach-punch of an article.
Do I read too much into KC's reporting? His reports have been a theme in this post-lockout world, but he's indeed the most plugged-in. And while I don't think it's gospel, he likely has been told by somebody who'd know that we should slow our expectations if we're to accurately predict what the Bulls will do. It'd be nice if we got something juicy from a national rumor-monger, though.
Some other cap-related links (and know your fanposts/fanshots) from Monday:
- Here is some good news for Bulls fans. While I'd been reading all weekend that the delay in new tax penalties would allow the Miami Heat to do whatever they wanted this offseason, Brian Windhorst of ESPN dug deeper and found that the Heat will very likely have to amnesty Mike Miller if only to have enough exceptions to fill out the rest of the roster. And thanks to the eagle-eyed commenter who noted that in that very post there's mention of the Bulls as among the 'most aggressive' teams to sign Miller. Though take that with the above caveats about amnesty waivers.
- Going off of the idea that amnesty won't be an option, this is a very solid fanpost of the Bulls other avenues of talent acquisition. And after reading it I'm not as immediately dismissive of Tracy McGrady (or Stephen A Smith's reporting) as I was before.
- Another fanpost specifically speculating over Kings restricted free agent Marcus Thornton.
- A breakdown of old vs new CBA rules from cap guru Larry Coon. One rule that pertains of the mentioned targets of Thornton and the Nuggets Arron Afflalo is that both of their teams are very likely to keep their free agents if only to make sure they're at the new, higher, minimum team salary floor. Don't fret, gang: TJ Ford may be coming.
- Oh, I can't end like that, instead: all hail the return of humble-bot.
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DRose needs to get his ass to JRs office and say:
I will only sign a five year deal with the Bulls if you immediately agree to spend any amount of money over the cap and pay any amount of tax for any player that would improve the team. You will do for me what Orlando ownership is doing for Howard.
I guess Rose can always go to pretty much where ever he likes. He should grab JR by the nuts.
by adocarbog on Nov 28, 2011 11:10 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
I can totally see the Humblebot doing that.
by arjoseph on Nov 28, 2011 11:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
BJ Armstrong can handle this
It’s not like he doesn’t know how JR thinks.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 7:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So IF JJ were to some reason going to for sure be released...
could and would it make sense for the Bulls to waive Boozer. This would put them under the cap and let them bid on JJ. Also I would think some other player who is released they could pair along with taj replace Boozers production. I dont think this makes sense for any other player though than JJ.
Havn't even looked into Hickson
but with Reddick, yeah he would be a upgrade at the two. But enough a difference from like tmac or the other free agent SG options that its worth giving up on boozer?
by MilkThenClear on Nov 28, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's talking about Joe Johnson
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Nov 29, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions
O thanks I didnt see realize what he was asking.
And Yes i did mean Joe Johnson
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
joe johnson would be a dream for this team
and any other team looking for a sg to be honest. Overpaid?? yes. But he is still the prototypical 2way many teams are looking for. Atlanta is just a crappy organization if you ask me. They have talent, but they really have a horrible structure. They remind me a lot of the wizards in that regard. We may mock JR for having such a cheap attitude and constantly choosing culture over talent, but dammit the bulls are a fine basketball machine. They have a great coach at the moment and training staff. They have basketball minds all around that organization. Atlanta is filled with so many iso players its unbearable.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Nov 29, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
So think the bulls would drop boozer for the chance at him?
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:11 AM CST up reply actions
trade booz for jj
"And thank you to God for making me an Atheist." - Ricky Gervais
by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 AM CST up reply actions
via the trade machine
boozer and bogans works for JJ but I still think the idea of them dropping JJ wouldnt be to pick up another horrible deal but try and use his cap space for a few players
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions
The more I think about this the more it makes sense for ATL
Boozer and maybe Korver or Bogans/Asik combo if necessarily, and we get JJ. ATL could then amnesty Josh Smith so ATL would have a starting five of Kurt SG they sign Marvin Williams Boozer and Horford. They would still have the spaced freed by Josh Smith and save a year less on the deals pf Boozer vs JJ along with the lower cap hit each year for Booze. We would be looking at about the same cap hit for this year and next and a much higher number in 2013-2015. But then I’m guessing we wont have to use the MLE and could resign Taj no problem
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:47 AM CST up reply actions
i dont see how boozer makes sense for atlanta
he doesnt fill any sort of need for them…
I also think you are underestmating Joe’s role on the Hawks. There is Joe the player, but there is also Joe the leader. He is the closest thing to a leader on that team, horford is good but still young and nowhere near the charisma bringer noah is. Josh Smith is a fuckin head case who probably only listens to joe johnson. Both horford and josh smith are pfs, horford just plays center because he he has some size and relies on smiths athleticism to help him out.
Boozer doesnt give them anything. He doesnt make that offense more potent, he doesnt give them more size or defense, and he certainly does not supply leadership.
Just so the hawks save a few mil per year this wouldnt work for the hawks.
As for amnesty on josh smith, while he is a head case, he is talented and still pretty young. His contract isnt atrocious enough to be amnestied and would e better off as a trade piece later on. If the hawks wanted joe johnson gone they would just use the amnesty on him and resign crawford. Josh smith is the better compliment to horford.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Could someone also please confirm this would even be possible...
by MilkThenClear on Nov 28, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
no
if they waive boozer they are at about 52-53million, and I don’t see the Bulls winning an auction on Joe Johnson with a 5-6 million bid. If Joe Johnson enters the auction, I could easily see someone outbidding the Bulls.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Trading James Johnson was the greatest day of my life
by Option27 on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 AM CST via mobile up reply actions 9 recs
It doesn't make sense to waive boozer
it makes sense to work on him getting back to 20/10, which would then mean he is playing at the rate we are paying him. Plus, the Bulls have an amnesty available for 6 years, the time is to hope he turns it around, not cut your losses.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
These are my feelings exactly
…make this a truly visceral stomach-punch of an article
I'm OK with them not using the MLE.
As long as they trade for Mayo, Iggy or Ellis.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
well, sure
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 9:21 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so let me get this straight
so the spot formerly belonging to the GOAT has gone from ben gordon to larry hughes to thabo to kirk to bogans and next is cj?
sounds like a foolproof plan to me!
Should've traded for Melo.
This is absolutley stupid. JR is being cheap.
When Wade, The Bron, and Bosh are on one team and Durant and Westrbook are on another team and Kobe and Gasol are on yet another team AND Garnett, Pierce, and Allen are STILL together on ANOTHER team….
WE SIMPLY ARENT WINNING A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH ONE STAR AND NO SG. IT ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN. Deng, Boozer, and Noah are all excellent players, but the JR needs to stop thinking about how to afford Mark Burhle’s next contract and get us the player or two we need to win several championships. We’re starting to look like Gilbert’s Lebron-era Cavs.
Dallas won with one star
and we’re already better than the Celtics
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
I agree
but I think Dirk’s height and playing style are more difficult to contain than Rose. but I guess it also helps to have a guy like Jet who can come in and explode for 20 points in a blink.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:30 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dirk also had problems with a 6'8" wing
put the right guys around Rose and I don’t see why he can’t wee-un. Having a guy like Terry would be nice.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I'm unclear if the 6'8" wing you speak of is a teammate or an opponent...
if it’s Lebron guarding Dirk that you’re talking about, then I present exhibit a, a 2011 championship ring and Finals MVP trophy.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I was talking about Stephen Jackson
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
and while i know its broussard spewing his bullshit. im geniunely scared of the knicks getting cp3
i think that would give them a better big 3 than miami imo. cp3 would have two sick wingmen to toss the ball to. you’d have a closer and a big man who wont be afraid to bang in the paint and the best pure point in the league.
meanwhile derrick is going to be stuck all on his lonesome while JR keeps playing in his office twiddling his thumbs counting his cash.
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Nov 29, 2011 1:25 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
this, this, and more of this
JR = cheap. 3 beats 1 every time.
...he's the same guy who gave Carlos Boozer $80 million, Deng $71 million, $60 million to Noah,
took on Peavy’s $17 million a season deal, Rios’ $12 million per deal and signed Adam Dunn for $56 million. I think we can stop with the ‘Jerry Reinsdorf is cheap!’ stuff.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 29, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions
You can't use JR's baseball receipts here
Go back three spaces.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Okay, fine.
But I still disagree with the charge that JR is cheap.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
The Bulls are one of only a few teams that has never paid any luxury tax
It’s one thing to give big contracts when you have a medium-sized payroll. It’s another to willingly pay the luxury tax (and the new CBA will likely make it more painful). He’s always said he’ll be willing to pay it when the Bulls are a title contender. If not now, when?
by Big D on Nov 29, 2011 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't disagree that it's put-up-or-shut-up time with regards to JR's statement about paying over if they were within reach of a title.
However, the Bulls have never been this close to a title post-MJ, so JR’s never had to consider it. I don’t think it’s fair to lay that charge at JR before they pass up an opportunity due to money restrictions.
To my knowledge, certain things were not known.
-James Murdoch
by 2ndHalfAdjustments on Nov 29, 2011 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
if that happens
and they meet in the playoffs, i say if it goes to 7 games they should just screw it and play 3 on 3 ball
Lebron, Wade, Bosh
Melo, Cp3, Amare
man that would be so much fun to watch…..
i say lebron, wade, and bosh win by the way…..all three are two players, while only cp3 is considered a good defender
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
The heats three would crush the Knicks three
Even with CP3, the Knicks are going to be easy outs in the playoffs.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions
CP3 made Aaron Gray
a force against the lakers in the playoffs. Aaron Gray. Think about what he’d accomplish with A’mare + Anthony.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 29, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Can't tell if you are being serious or not
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 29, 2011 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I'm with JockstrapNoah on that one.
While I still think the Knicks would fall short of a championship, “Easy out” would have to be hyperbole. CP3 increases everyone’s efficiency, adds another clutch playmaker, and I can’t see how it would do anything except make them significantly better.
Now if they added Dwight Howard and decided to play defense instead of CP3, I’d be even more gushy about it. But I think Dwight doesn’t want to do that, and I think he’ll, heartbreakingly, be a Laker soon enough.
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by dantheman3k on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
You don't need
a pure PG in 3 on 3. You need a big and 2 shooters.
Rose is better than CP3
Noah is better than Amare and seriously with only 3 players he probably outrebounds Amare like 25-4, and Deng is close to Melo (I know you disagree but this is my belief).
im sorry but if youre playing 3 on 3
its purely almost all going to be isolations and i promise you noah and deng are not taking anyone iso.
rose being able to dominate cp3 i can accept but the other two wont be scoring shit
Should've traded for Melo.
Yeah you got every one wrong
including the color of your glasses.
by Gentleman Jim on Nov 29, 2011 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see that team in the playoffs
has the makings of a great series.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
If healthy CP3 is a badass at point, on D and even rebounding (for a guard)
Yeah, I hope the Knicks don’t get him although I don’t believe in that MD system—just not enough D.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
the knicks were able to play the heat pretty well in their last encounter
I dont think it was a fluke, that game essentially came down to who can produce the most offense for 3.5 quarters and who can lock it down on defense for the last 5 minutes. If you add cp3 to that k nicks team, that offensive just goes insane and if melo and amare lockdown on d just for those last few minutes (its annoying that they actually can play defense and just choose not to usually) its very possible that the knicks beat the heat.
I think the miami three have the better trio, but id argue that if cp3 is added to the knicks, melo, amare, and cp3 will be at least far more consistent in bringing an elite level offense. Whereas with the heat you get games when lebron doesnt play to his best, or wade doesnt play to his best, or bosh goes 1-18. The heat are lucky to have perhaps 2 of the top 5 players on their team, but i think what really cost them the finals and whatever games they did lose, was that there was rarely a time when one of the three just didnt show up. Melo, Amare, and cp3 will always get theirs and they have a diverse enough game to each other (where lebron and wade have similar games and even bosh likes to work off the same part of the floor) where its a nightmare to guard.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I hope we can get a young center,
Sam D. I hoping—not exactly a youngster but young enough and hope Pittman has developed some. I’m excited about Cole. Bibby and the older centers were breaking down by the end. Bibby actually did ok until the Heat played the Mavs and JJ schooled him pretty good. I just don’t think MD style works for the long haul—just not enough emphasis on defensive play and I don’t think a team of his has given up less than 100, maybe 103 over a season. The Knicks will be scary with CP3 if they get him though, no doubt.
Reporter: What would you say a Greg Studrawa offense is like? Stud:
"Attack and be very physical…fly around…attacking, come after you and come after you and come after you…." Me: I love this answer.
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
right
i wasnt suggesting that the knicks become the better overall team, but that i could see them winning against the heat with cp3. I also wouldnt underestimate the d’antoni style of play. Honestly if it wasnt for some weird calls and suspensions, the suns might have defeated the spurs and gone on to win the whole thing back in 2005. If you give d’antoni the right roster like he had in 04 and 05, that team is scary with how much offensive output they produce.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
you should be scared of the Bulls.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 8:48 PM CST up reply actions
if the knicks can get CP3 and Aaron gray as filler
I think they are pretty much set. I assume NO gets Fields, so maybe a starting 5 of Paul/Walker/Melo/STAT/Gray
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
u want aaron gray
in the d’antoni run and gun offense? You know the white panther is an IRONIC nickname right? And its not jsut you, the ohter day i had a discussion on bullets forever about the worth of Aaron Gray, who sort of kinda played okay against the lakers, and now hes like everyones answer to the center position? Wtf?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
aaron gray is just there to clog the lane
the knicks would likely run small back with Paul/Walker/williams/melo/stat
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 30, 2011 2:07 AM CST up reply actions
aaron gray would not play for Mike D'Antoni
we are talking about a guy who started Boris diaw at center for a year because he didn’t like his big guys.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 30, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
well considering the reports
of interest of Kurt Thomas, Kwame Brown, Tony Battie and Theo Ratliff, it just seems that getting Aaron Gray in a trade with CP3 makes sense, unless Gray is already a free agent, then I don’t have a particular reason to recommend him.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
as much as i hate the idea of Watson being the "solution" at the 2
i do think the Bulls need another backup pg and Ford may be a good fit for the team.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 29, 2011 1:44 AM CST reply actions
K.C is writing bullshit!
If the Bulls don’t like the FA options at SG that’s one thing. But to be this close and not fork up the dough to get us over the hump is stupid. I really hope the Bulls are eyeing a Mayo trade that’s the only way not using the MLE makes sense.
I still will give J.R the benefit of the doubt since he said he would pay the tax for a contender and he said this team would win multiple championships. Pax and Gar both said they need to upgrade the SG position after last season. I think all of this is propaganda B.S. I think in the end that the Bulls will trade for either Iggy or Mayo.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
You really do have to give KC credit, seeing as he's right most of the time
but I think the thing that bugs me so much about him is just the way he delivers his shitty news. It’s always done with the “What’d you expect?” type of attitude, and you can almost see him smirking while you read it.
I know he’s not a columnist, so it’s not necessarily his job to hold the org’s feet to the fire when they fuck up, but it would just be nice to see him put a little more backbone into his work once in a while
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 29, 2011 2:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I was going to write a brief fanpost on this
I also think the Bulls might be going the trade route. at some point we’re not going to be able to keep all these guys. they have to trade away some money to get anything worthy of a decent contract in return. I think Mayo would be the best way to go. we might sacrifice some depth now for future flexibility. but really, depth can be somewhat overrated. it’s the NBA, not the NFL. injuries are less and your best players are playing 35-40 minutes a night. I mean, the Heat went to the finals with 3 players and a bunch of garbage. well, except Udonis. he can play.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 8:45 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
that's one way to look at it, if they're truly scared of the tax
then trading Asik or Taj before their free agency may be part of a plan
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
preferably Taj
I like Asik as possibly our starting center if Noah becomes a trade/ amnesty candidate down the road. plus, with Noah’s injury history, Asik is a great insurance policy.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:32 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Can Boozer get hurt?
And can it be a fake injury just to get Taj more PT? Need to boost that value.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
at times I've felt Taj could probably take Boozer's spot full-time
but then my fear is reverting back to 2010 Bulls.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 10:33 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think he could
Taj with a coach like Thibs? If he remains healthy I can see Taj getting better.
Boozer’s productivity isn’t likely to get that much better offensively. Defensively his rebounding is the only thing he does better than Taj.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
but again, we'll have the same starting five from two years ago minus The Captain...
and we know what a difference-maker he is. I don’t see that lineup standing a chance.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Who, I almost forgot about Lil' Dirk
That made me smile. The plan’s all coming together now. Mirotic gets bought out, Boozer gets amnestied, we can afford Rose + Good SG + Deng + Noah.
It just makes too much sense
The only reason it shouldn’t happen this way is if the Bulls are coming off of a championship and Boozer was a major factor, in which case I’ll have no complaints either way.
by runningman on Nov 29, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Another reason I call K.C's bullshit is...
Didn’t the org try to trade for Mayo at the trade deadline after saying the deal wouldn’t be made because Mayo would demand an extension? I think they know that Rose and Mayo were in the same draft class. Trust me this is a smoke screen in case they crap out on they deals they try to make.
"Shit just got real" - anorexorcist.
I'm gonna put off any anger until after I see what they actually do
Given the short window to make moves, it’s not like we’ll have to wait too long. But if they really end up just going for someone like a TJ Ford… wow. Just wow.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Nov 29, 2011 2:30 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
oh well at least ill be able to watch more derrick rose games in person
when he becomes a laker
Should've traded for Melo.
There is isnt a DERRICK ROSE rule
just so that he will stay here
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 2:49 AM CST up reply actions
Oh man you're getting a head start on being the worst commenter here, aren't you?
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 29, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
I don't get it.
Why would you want that label so much? You seem to be gloating about SoulEater’s absence because of the void you’re able to now fill. Is it because being hated so much adds relevance to your existence?
i believe the label you're looking for is
attention whore
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i think i read your post wrong
still… “attention whore”
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
right, it's not a good thing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
someone will be available for half the midlevel that will be an upgrade over Bogans
Rip VC, Jrich or Tmac are not gonna get multiyear offers.
We can get one for 3 million if they want to chase a ring
its looking like Heat, Knicks*, Thunder will all be ahead of us in likelyhood of getting a ring
Wade/The Bron/Bosh > Rose/JR’s unspent money
Amare/Anthony/*Paul > Rose/JR’s unspent money
Durant/Westbrook > Rose/JR’s unspent money
You obviously are an idiot
His unspent money? Do you realize how much money Boozer, Noah and Deng make combined?
Chris Paul isn’t on the Knicks yet so take it easy. Also, I’d rather have Rose, Deng, Boozer & Noah over Durant and Westrbrook.
by Option27 on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll take James Harden
He’s exactly what we need at the 2. The Thunder won’t trade him either.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that guy is my dream SG.
obviously Kobe and Wade are better, but as a SG to play alongside Rose, Harden is the guy I most pine for.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 10:34 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
who knows,
I think perkins is a strong “Shawn Kemp” after the lockout candidate, I think they take a long hard look at Asik if he gets dangled at them. Plus, I think Westbrook qualifies for the D.Rose rule, so if they have to part ways with him via trade, I think the Bulls can put together a decent player package including picks.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
nope, i'm pretty sure
it’s the d-rose rule for a reason and no one else from his class qualifies (yet). though westbrook could qualify if he gets another all-nba selection this season i believe. also i think durant can claim retroactively that he also is eligible because his extension hasn’t actually gone into effect yet. so that may be extra raises for two of their players…
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I think JRich is a good fit for this team
and while VC is not my first option I don’t dislike the idea
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 29, 2011 6:09 AM CST up reply actions
Except that the four you mention aren't upgrades over Bogans
He took his what to where?!
Boozer has to hit his close range shots
as in, within 3 feet. Or just make Ronnie Brewer our post guy.
by NerdVernacular on Nov 29, 2011 6:42 AM CST up reply actions
Well yes, Boozer has to play better
than he did in last year’s playoffs, when I think he was playing hurt. And in general the top six players, at least, will need to stay healthy. But I think the only player on the team right now who can substantially improve by doing something other than remaining healthy is Rose. He’s young enough and good enough that there’s a good chance he has not reached his full potential.
Rose will have to be able to score against Lebron James and Dwayne Wade
when they’re playing man defense with no help.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
The number one need for the Bulls
A player that creates his own shot that won’t give every point away on defense.
Mayo’s cost is unknown.
Monta’s cost is known.
What about Brandon Roy if the Blazers use amnesty on him. The Bulls would seem attractive as a contender that has parts that can take pressure off Roy to always score. Perhaps with the Bulls he can extend his career the way Ron Harper had done before him.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
the Warriors or some other team will pick him up
I don’t think we’d have a shot at him.
by NerdVernacular on Nov 29, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
yup
as I understand it, only teams under the cap can bid on amnestied players.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 8:40 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ah crap
You have to be under the cap? This will elminate almost all contenders.
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"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions
and thus the league succeeded in the new CBA. yay parity!!
but at least this prevents other contenders over the cap from getting waived players.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:48 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
it's like nobody reads the posts here
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Just yours
;)
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Read? Posts?
Isn’t this just a forum for slightly humorous .gifs?
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Can they trade them after picking them up?
That’d be interesting if Roy gets amnestied, picked up by the Bobcats, Bulls trade Asik and their #1 to them for him, or something like that.
I think they'd be most interested in getting their pick back
They know they’re going to such for a few more years, and they just drafted Bismack as their young defense-only center.
I haven't found a determination on that
I’m guessing it’d be the usual 3 months before being tradeable like any new signing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
people keep mentioning Boozer as an amnesty candidate in the future, but I think Noah would be a better option.
if he continues to be injury-prone, that contract is going to look worse and worse. i love Noah, but the Bulls have a cheaper starting-center-in-waiting on the bench in Asik. he really impressed me last year, showed he can rebound about as well as Noah and is a better shot blocker. if he can improve on offense (which Noah isn’t exceptional at either), I can see trading/ waiving Noah as a way to free up salary.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 8:49 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Between Asik & Mirotic...
It would seem the Bulls will have a starting calibre center on their roster in the future…and Noah could be the amnesty player, if his contract qualifies…
New signature coming...but its a process.
is Mirotic a center? he seems more like a PF/ big wing, but I haven't seen him play enough, just a few highlights.
as far as Noah’s contract qualifying for amnesty, are there restrictions on which players can be waived? am I missing something?
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:22 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
My understanding...
Only contracts signed before the current CBA would be eligible…I am not sure when Noah’s deal goes into effect…he agreed last season, but did not get paid until this year…
New signature coming...but its a process.
I can see how that is unclear
why isn’t yfBB gliding in here with his endless knowledge of the subject? maybe the lockout affected his conditioning. don’t pull a hammy, yfBB!
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:41 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
that's a very good question and I don't know
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
to injured reserve with you!
::tosses yfBB into a dark dungeon with Eddy Curry::
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 10:03 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Noah's deal is under the old CBA
He could be amnesty’d.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
No he's not a center
He’s closer to SF than he is to a Center. His main weakness right now is bulking up enough to be able to handle PF in the NBA. He weighed 210 pounds at the combine, which was 10 pounds less than Jimmy Butler. There’s no way he’ll ever be a defensive anchor in the middle.
This is exactly why Boozer is a much more likely amnesty candidate in the future. Mirotic is a ready made option to take his spot for a lot less money, and can replace his scoring which is his primary contribution. Boozer will clearly be declining in 2 or 3 years when Mirotic is ready to come over.
by runningman on Nov 29, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
the gulf on offense between Asik and Noah is vast
The only way I see amnesty on Noah is if he’s hurt, which is a pretty awful situation. Otherwise he should have some trade value, you’d hope.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason I don't see it
Is because Noah will have trade value. Think of the number of teams that are desperate for a center with Noah’s abilities. Why amnesty the guy when there is a decent chance you can get someone in return?
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
noah, asik, korver, picks for howard
amnesty/trade boozer for expiring contracts and put gibson at PF
doesnt matter how many shots rose misses if the opponent scores 50 points a game
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by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 29, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
AND DON’T TELL ME IT CAN’T HAPPEN
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by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 29, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
IT WON'T HAPPEN
although I wouldn’t mind if it did.
by NerdVernacular on Nov 29, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
hopefully
I’m just saying this as a possibility in case he can’t stay healthy and totally diminishes his value.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 10:16 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
NO!
why would you wave him when he is a huge tradable asset.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
read my comment that should be right above yours
at least that’s how it appears on my nifty SBNation app
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 11:20 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
someone takes a chance
big men are just that rare. Nene is going to command big dollars despite his status as injury prone. Stat got paid, despite being nearly uninsurable. From now until the end of Noah’s contract, there will be someone interested in snapping him up.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and what's the point of mike miller
if we have korver.
by obnoxious american on Nov 29, 2011 8:55 AM CST reply actions
while Kutcher might be a more consistent shooter (at least last season)
I think Miller passes, rebounds, and defends better. just a better player all-around.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:03 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
eh, fair enough.
but is he a starting 2?
by obnoxious american on Nov 29, 2011 9:06 AM CST up reply actions
no, but neither I Korver
I don’t think anyone hear realistically sees Miller as a solution.
now maybe if we move Rose to SG…
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:13 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Is he healthy?
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 9:37 AM CST up reply actions
less of a defensive liability than Korver
also with Miller and Korver, you can have at least one 3 pt threat on the court 48 minutes a game, which is a huge boon for Rose.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
if Miller is amnestied, why would he fall to the Bulls?
doesn’t seem like an option to me.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
Sort of OT, but I was wondering how crammed the schedule will be
From NBA.com: Back to Back to Backs: All teams with at least 1; no more than 3
Knowing the Bulls luck, they will get 3. Within 2 weeks.
"You play to win the playoffs, and we let 'em off the hook!" -Herm Mora Green
teams on average will be playing 4 games/ week as opposed to 3.5 in a regular year.
and in the plot to keep screwing the Bulls, they’ll somehow squeeze in the circus trip as well.
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 9:52 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The Circus came and went
The west coast trip needs a substitute name.
I’ll propose the “getting laid trip”.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
Bang Bus?
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 10:35 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is a big advantage for the Bulls, who are young and deep.
The Celtics are going to suffer and even Miami, with the load they put on their top three players, may suffer.
I love this Charles Barkley quote from the shortened season in 1998-99. “I can’t play three games in three nights. I can tell you that right now. I don’t want to have sex three nights in a row; I definitely don’t want to play three games in three nights.”
by Tim S. on Nov 29, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Does he still own that French Mansion in the burbs?
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions
is it weird that i know that the answer is
yes…..
….probably
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
hmmm...
creeper
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by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
He is not a free agent...
Though, with the emergence of Teague last season, he could certainly be on the block…I would give up our non-guaranteed contracts for him…not much more….offers salary relief for the cheap Hawks,…
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 29, 2011 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
sign me up
if he is taking Watson minutes on MLE money.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Yahoo top 15 free agents
lots of centers, hope Miami doesn’t pull out anything
by JustAnotherFan on Nov 29, 2011 10:32 AM CST reply actions
seriously, are they capped or not?
what can they offer a player?
Miami is capped...
They will need to amnesty Mike Miller in order to be able to offer the full MLE ($5M); otherwise, they will only have the mini-MLE (+/- $3M) to offer.
New signature coming...but its a process.
by Dionysus2.0 on Nov 29, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt it...
I would guess either Dalembert (on the cheap) or Kwame to Miami…they need a center in the worst way.
New signature coming...but its a process.
Kwame to Miami
one can only dream…visions of Big Sexy staring down Kwame as he starts to cry
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I haven't heard anything about Kurt coming back
Just did some googling. New York papers seem to think he’s going to choose between the Knicks and the Bulls. One paper mentioned the Mavericks and Heat.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/thomas_leaning_to_bulls_ez85m8YPnRBzOD8BFhxL1M
there's a fanshot on here and BaB tweeted the story
supposedly he’d prefer to come back here rather than play for the knicks
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In my first link there
his agent is quoted saying that.
wow
until I clicked the article, I thought we were talking about Hinrich.
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by dantheman3k on Nov 29, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
can we just grab someone asap?
i hate waiting and watching teams pick up should-haves and could haves
Lockout Blues...
nobody's picked up anyone yet
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
furthermore, no one can
I guess people really don’t read the posts.
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by dantheman3k on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
congrats, you're catching up to sin in unlikability.
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someone's jaded...
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 11:14 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
ok maybe im in a poo-poo mood
but i just have a feeling once everythings a go, where gonna sit back and negotiate while teams make fast/risky moves
I WANT RISK!!!!
Lockout Blues...
Man we are really losing out, Miami just picked up West
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- fundamentallysound
the solution to Lebron James 4th quarter woes
is to have his new father out on the court with him giving him encouragement.
Go ahead son, take the shot.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
I like Caron
but i think he’s too slow for a 2 guard. He’s a great 3 but he’d get killed off the dribble by the Wade or Kobe. Plus he’s not the best shooter and we need a KILLER at the 2.
by MartyMondays on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
yeah butler's more of a 3
i don’t think he’s the right fit for the bulls.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
I was listening to wad.silvy and I figured
Maybe Brewer is the best option?
He’s the best defender at the 2, thats for sure.
And other than a lack of 3 pt shot, he is ok offensively.
10 pts from brew and 10 points from Korver is good enough, right?
I was listening to wad.silvy
well, there’s your problem
by obnoxious american on Nov 29, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not good enough
because when we get to the 4th quarter against miami the same thing is going to happen.
by MartyMondays on Nov 29, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
if were gonna do brewer
why not just sign 1 yr vets and keep the chairs turning every year
post-lockout blues...dada dada da
I will say that all SG additions should look to be better than Brewer
otherwise I agree as why not just start Brewer.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
is anybody still trippy of the fact that blogabull is poppin again?
like so many posts it feels like an all out orgy
post-lockout blues...dada dada da
by Belize on Nov 29, 2011 12:45 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
you must attend the worst orgies ever
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 29, 2011 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 8 recs
there’s no such thing as a bad orgy
unless jerry sandusky and bernie fine are there
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by MichaelClutchtree on Nov 29, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
one girl and twenty dudes
=bad orgy
by BULLieving in Miami on Nov 29, 2011 1:02 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions 6 recs
1 girl = good
basketball = good
lockout over = good
by MartyMondays on Nov 29, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
one girl and twenty dudes
make sure you wear shoes.
Let us cavort like the Greeks of old! You know the ones I mean.
by hedonism bot on Nov 29, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
sez you
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Are you trying to tell us something?
Never mind, I don’t want to know. It’s getting too close to acknowledging that there are real people on the other side of these screen names.
please, never acknowledge people here as real humans
I’m just acknowledging that there’s a wide spectrum combinations that would please all kinds of orgy-lovers
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
We might as well just sign Mcgrady
I’m not in love with the idea but at least he can make plays happen, and he REALLY wants to be a Bull so i guess that’s positive.
let him start and split the minutes with Brewer, and if we’re up in the 4th quarter let brewer in to shut the other team down. If we’re down leave McGrady in for offense. Plus he can help run the bench mob that got too wild sometimes thanks to CJ.
like i said it’s not perfect but he seems eager, and has changed his game to a complimentary player not a wannabe star player.
by MartyMondays on Nov 29, 2011 12:47 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
i think he really wants to be in a big market
and knows LA and NY arent going to come knocking (and sharing the spotlight with kobe, melo, and amare is a drag to your brand)
i honestly dont care if he is just concerned with his brand, so long as he also brings a playing style that helps make him famous (i.e. helps bulls win) he can be as big of an ego nut as he wants
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
And they just keep making money . . .
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by Option27 on Nov 29, 2011 1:12 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
JR's about to give Kenny the greenlight to sign Gary Sheffield
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
or perhaps they make a splash with Cecil Fielder
take that Cubbies!
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 29, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
lol yeah that was kind of my point
Griffey Jr., Andruw Jones… what’s next? Cecil Fielder and Gary Sheffield? Edgar Martinez?
Guilty Simpson should be our starting SG
by Rose Colored Goggles on Nov 29, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
All DHs
plus Dunn. The plan is coming together.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lol cub fans
‘we don’t care about the sox’
by obnoxious american on Nov 30, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
With the reports that the clippers are going hard after D Howard
anyone think there is a chance we could somehow get Eric Gordon? There isn’t a better fit IMO with Rose them him. It would also reunited the two from there AAU days and give me the IU starting backcourt I never had when Rose chose Memphis over IU.
please ignore the few spelling errors I'm on a week long studying binge for the CFA on Saturday
on a side note, any advise on that test(level 1) from my fellow BaB finance people?
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
He's definitely not afraid to be but
from everything I’ve heard when I went to IU while he was there he is a pretty humble guy. Also he played with Rose on the same AAU team so I would think they are close enough for him not to mind to differ to Rose.
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
wouldn't orlando want Eric Gordon in return?
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 29, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Most likely..
More of a pipe dream since I think EG would be the best possible compliment to Rose of any guard in the league.
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Any piece you see we have that would fit Orl better then another SG?
by MilkThenClear on Nov 29, 2011 1:52 PM CST up reply actions
if they are giving up Howard
Noah maybe. He is the only one. But I have to think the Clippers offer will be something like Kaman/Gordon/Aminu for Howard which means the Clippers are going to be giving Orlando a Center, 2G and young SF.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 29, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If they trade Howard to LA,
they’re getting Griffin back.
no they aren't
they’d trade everyone but Griffin. Its like saying we’d have to give up Rose to get Howard – Orlando would know thats a non-starter. You get both so they can play together.
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 29, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Truth
The only reason Orlando would trade Howard is if they know he’s not coming back. They wouldn’t have the leverage to demand another team’s best player. It’s the same way Denver could ask for everybody but Amare in return for Carmelo.
If we said no to Rose for Howard,
they’d say fuck off. There needs to be a centerpiece going back to ORL for Dwight, and LAC doesn’t have one other than Griffin. I don’t see them trading Dwight for a package built around Eric fucking Gordon. ORL should try and trade Westbrook/Perk for Howard.
Eric Gordon would be awesome
I don’t think we have what the Clippers need though. They’d probably make us take Kaman too.
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by NBA Observer on Nov 29, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
They actually still have cap space
and Kaman is in the last year of his contract. In fact, if they waived him, they’d have a hard time making the minimum payroll unless they sign someone major. There’s really no incentive to get rid of him, because at this point he’s an asset. There are teams that want him either for his talent or for his expiring contract. If Philly ever decides to move Iguodala, the Clippers will be right there.
Eric Gordon won’t get moved unless Dwight is coming back. The Clippers have the best talent/money combination in the league right now. Imagine if they hadn’t traded Baron, and then drafted either Derrick Williams or Kyrie Irving.
by runningman on Nov 29, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
clippers are one legit allstar away from being a force in the west
and it would be freekin awesome if they can finally surpass the Lakers :)
i believe once they let go of bogans, KT, lucas, and pargo
they would be under the cap and have enough room to make one move using their MLE. I would say right now they are capped but I’m not 100 percent sure.
if we let go of all of them and are under the cap
wouldnt that mean we could bid for roy?
Should've traded for Melo.
yes, but we would most likely get outbid by teams who are well under the salary cap
im sure the bulls will make a bid for a player liek roy or even hamilton. However, i think there are other teams who are also looking for “bargain” players and playoff contenders like the bulls, heat, knicks etc. will have a difficult time outbidding against teams like the clippers.
right that's a good question
Is it, if you are under the cap you can bid as much as you want?
or
if you are under the cap you can bid the amount that would bring you up to the cap.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 29, 2011 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
the latter
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
then Roy is out of the question.
The Bulls must be about 20th on this Waiver wire.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 29, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
they're not even on the waiver wire since they're not under the cap
he’d only be available as a FA after he passed through that 2nd waivers.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 29, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
heh clearly I'm skimming not reading
but if you are amnestied, nobody bids on you, then you are a free agent?
Once again. No Roy, no way. Hell, the teams that have the room are going to put 1.6mil on Arenas in a heart beat.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 29, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
DAMN, that would suck
i would rather have pargo than Arenas, lol.
yeah, hence, why im saying it would be tough to outbid them
its b.c of our limits. the small amrket teams will def become the major players i nthe amnesty bidding game. I mean, the bulls will bid but will prob fail on all attempts. dont worry, the heat, lakers, knics are also in the same position.
Heat would have to amnesty Miller in order to be under the cap. Idk why the hell people are saying the heat have the advantage with the new CBA. its not like thye have as many movable pieces like the bulls and they are ROUGHLY around the same salary as the bulls. They will use their MLE on players like Dalembert and I hope other teams block heats every attempt to snatch a player who can make their lineup virtually “complete”
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….the Warriors are in the market for a veteran guard, likely at shooting guard. And a couple team sources let me know that if Brandon Roy is indeed Portland’s amnesty choice, as the Oregonian reported, the Warriors are definitely interested.
If the Warriors were to pick up Roy, Monta would almost have to be traded right? I mean having Monta, Roy, and the new draftee Klay (who is going to require minutes) is quite a crowd. I mean I’m not Monta’s biggest fan, but if the price is right……
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weird...the warriors looking for a guard?
that means only one thing…they want ellis gone for the sake of saving $$$. we know ellis will demand a big contract somewhere down the line and the warriors are looking to SELL HIGH on ellis.
they would def get roy for a good price and im sure the bulls can def offer a combo of gibson, watson, and picks for ellis.
totally weird.
two combo guards already.
by JockstrapNoah on Nov 29, 2011 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
they might want him gone for more than just money
mark jackson is in charge now and hes supposedly trying to bring a defensive mindset to the team so he may want a change of guard at the 2 so that he can get a bigger better defender there.
Should've traded for Melo.
monta & roy is a nice 1/2
id love to grab curry from them instead imo
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