Derrick Rose #8 on ESPN
ESPN ranks all of the players in the league and puts Rose at #8, one spot above Deron Williams, and at least three behind CP3 (yet to be revealed). Check out the 5 on 5 debate.
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Kobe ahead of him?
No. Just no.
feet firmly nailed to the floor of the Tyler Colvin bandwagon...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 17, 2011 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
the most hilarious part is
this, where someone actually claims that kobe was still underrated on the list at #7. lol.
Look
I didn’t want to offend anyone by saying the "f" word or generalizing my statement to any particular sex by saying "gays" or lesbians" or "bi’s" so "homos" is the most "politically correct" term. I’m just trying to be more tact in a tactless blog.
by Hindut Patrol on Feb 15, 2011 2:51 PM EST
this made me laugh
If you need to win one game, there’s no one I’d rather have than Bryant.
Unfortunately the season is 82 games long, and the post season consists of needing 16 victories. So yea…maybe kobes the best if u need to win 1 game, but most likely, you need to win more than 1…like….a lot more than 1
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
On a serious note
Does anyone else think melo is the best for that situation now?
Should've traded for Melo.
Does anyone else think melo is the best for that situation now?
yes….
….you
Melo is someone you would want to win an offensive posession, not an entire game though. When i think about melos defense i get angry, because we all watched him play lebron really really well, and yet after that game he reverted back to his complacent self on defense. That pisses me off about him. It would be one thing if he just didnt know how or was just incapable of it. But no, HE COULD BE A GOOD DEFENDER, he just doesnt want to be. Waste of talent right there…
sorry sin…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
oh well i didnt read the whole context of that quote
i thought they were talking about the whole kobe is the guy you want to have the balls in the last moments of a game type of thing.
im talking about that.
anyone still kobe is the best at taking the last shot to win a game?
i feel like its melo or maybe durant. although durant seemed to have a lot of trouble just getting shots off at the end of games last year
Should've traded for Melo.
or rose
so long as the last shot ismt a free throw
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Oct 21, 2011 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Another couple things that piss me off...
They rate KLove so low because his team sucks, well, Blake’s team sucks too, and he had Eric Gordon to help him. I’m not saying KLove is better by any means, but Blake is overrated here, and KLove is underrated. Also, If they value wins so much, how could CP possibly be higher than DRose? CP has been on one 50 win team in his CAREER (alas, so has DRose, but read on), and he had another allstar on it. Yet this year, DRose had 6 more wins that the 07-08 Hornets, with no other all-stars, and the starting lineup healthy for, like, 20 total games.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 17, 2011 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
i think espn just really wants to get a headstart on the media machine
for the new generation. Making conflicts, discussions, and forcing readers to choose sides and watch players play with preconcieved assumptions and perceptions thus adding to their hype. This new generation of basketball talent is pretty high, and they are being quicker to get the young guys a rep of being better than the generation thats passing. Its all a part of the plan from espn. Marketing at its finest.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
CP3 has a better all around game
Paul has a much higher player efficiency (30.83 opposed to 21.88) and shooting percentage (.545 opposed to .396). He’s a more complete player because of the general “point guard criteria”, such as assists, defense, and efficient scoring. So Paul is much better statistically. But in terms of wins, 6 wins isn’t a huge difference. He faced a much more difficult path to the Finals than Rose did.
i dare you to move.
Are these numbers in any way connected to reality
PER Paul 23.7 – Rose 23.5
TS% Paul .578 – Rose .550
The Bulls finished with 16 more wins than the Hornets. Hollinger suggests that Paul’s assist are inflated, Rose has a 10% higher USG but a lower TOV%. I’d take Rose’s ability to take over a game and superior physical ability over Paul’s “point guard criteria”.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 17, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Troll
You mean against that team that got absolutely murdered in the second round. yeah, pretty impressive if the lakers weren’t horrible on defense last season. I will keep saying cp3 playoff was great but vastly overrated. Any elite level pg would of murdered the lakers in the playoffs.
by Slick Ric on Oct 18, 2011 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
did you watch the playoffs last season.
So give me an elite level pg that would have “MURDERED” the lakers last season. If you say Rose, then would you think that he could MURDER the lakers by himself through scoring 30ppg? Paul didn’t do it alone. He involved his teammates and took care of the ball. I’m not saying Rose wasn’t spectacular. Both are great players, but Paul is the better overall point guard, RIGHT NOW.
i dare you to move.
Enough of this stats shit.
Rose could not shoot as much and be more efficient too, but he doesn’t care to. Rose is a better defender as well, I believe. Definitely the better shot blocker.
rose is not a better defender
They are both bad. Cp3 gets more steals and rose getsblocks
Should've traded for Melo.
how are they both bad?
"Ponchon," says Courteline, "has lived for over twenty-five years in the same house. It has been sold several times, and the different owners always stipulate in the deed that Ponchon will have no rent to pay; all this, without his ever having asked for it."
both get beat consistently off the dribble
but i mean thats how it is these days. with the way the league rules are set there are really no good point guard defenders. its just too hard to stay in front of your man with all the handchecking bullshit
Should've traded for Melo.
PGs are still good or bad relative to each other though, sin. just because
PG defense is really hard today doesnt mean there isnt a “best PG defender” out there.
"Ponchon," says Courteline, "has lived for over twenty-five years in the same house. It has been sold several times, and the different owners always stipulate in the deed that Ponchon will have no rent to pay; all this, without his ever having asked for it."
Here's a light statistical argument.
I’ll post the averages of some top point guards against both Rose and Paul from last season.
Derrick Rose
Vs. Hornets W/CP3: 1 Game, 23 ppg, 46.7 FG%, 4 REB, 6 ASS, 4 TOV.
Chris Paul
Vs. Bulls: 1 Game, 15 ppg, 30% FG, 2 REB, 6 ASS, 2 TOV.
Deron Williams
Vs. Bulls: 2 Games, 8 ppg, 24 FG%, 4 REB, 11.5 ASS, 4.5 TOV.
Vs. Hornets: 2 Games, 18 ppg, 43.3 FG%, 2.5 REB, 8 ASS, 3.5 TOV.
Russell Westbrook
Vs. Bulls: 2 Games, 21.5 ppg, 45.5 FG%, 7.5 REB, 6.5 ASS, 4.5 TOV.
Vs. Hornets: 4 Games, 20.5 PPG, 49.1 FG%, 3.5 REB, 9.8 ASS, 6.0 TOV.
Devin Harris
Vs. Bulls: 3 Games, 17.3 ppg, 42.1 FG%, 3 REB, 7.7 ASS, 2.3 TOV.
Vs. Hornets: 3 Games, 13.7 ppg, 53.5 FG%, 1.7 REB, 6.3 ASS, 3.0 TOV.
Tony Parker
Vs. Bulls: 2 Games, 23.5 ppg, 57.1 FG%, 2 REB, 5.5 ASS, 2 TOV.
Vs Hornets: 4 Games, 12 ppg, 51.4 FG%, 3.8 REB, 5 ASS, 2.5 TOV.
I don’t think those numbers are difinitive in either direction, and not entirely useful as defense is more than 1 on 1. But Rose is a decent defender and in isolation situations, per the NYT, he was the best in the league among PG’s, posting an elite mark of 0.77 ppp, while Paul posted 0.86, Rondo 0.83 and Westbrook 0.92. Rose is better than most give him credit for.
To me that mostly comes from Rose's ability to contest shots.
He’s dedicated to contesting every shot and he’s got the hops to do it.
by JockstrapNoah on Oct 20, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
True. But no matter where it comes from,
its there and he should be credited for it.
Well, I just think that is an unfair comparison
Paul played a team that was weaker defensively than any team the Bulls played, and he was at the position the Lakers have the most trouble guarding.
Its a superficial analysis.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 18, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what you say is true... but c'mon BS, did you watch those laker/hornet games?
paul was clearly in 2009 form for those games and derrick just isnt that kind of player now.
"Ponchon," says Courteline, "has lived for over twenty-five years in the same house. It has been sold several times, and the different owners always stipulate in the deed that Ponchon will have no rent to pay; all this, without his ever having asked for it."
agreed
if the argument is about right now (and it is) then right now paul is still better. Whats really at shame here is that according to the rankings, paul at 4 and rose at 8? the gap exists, but its certainly not that great.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Oct 19, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
he averaged 22 and 12
he had a great series. His PER I’m sure was out of this world. But I think his series is inflated in everyone’s mind because everyone thought the Lakers were going to be great and the Hornets would suck. The Lakers were suppose to meet the Heat in the Finals, they weren’t suppose to get swept by the Mavs. People were shocked that Paul was having such a great series and leading such a poor team against the CHAMPION Lakers, but they weren’t the same Lakers team. The Mavs exposed them. In retrospect, Paul’s series, outside of his amazing PER, wasn’t that great.
In the 4 losses Paul scored 22, 20, 20 and 10. He never attempted more than 13 shots in any of the losses. In 6 games, Paul had 5 turnovers or more 3 times. In 17 games, Rose had 5 turnovers or more 3 times.
Really the strength of his game, besides his amazing passing ability, is his unwillingness to force anything. Rose is almost the exact opposite. He will take a shot, no matter how tough, if he believes it will help his team win. Paul’s approach is Paul’s approach. I’m not really criticizing it. Neither is ideal. But I would take the guy trying to smash through that wall over the guy looking for the perfect shot. At times Paul took over that Lakers series. But they still lost 4 games by 9 or more points, with games 3, 5 and 6 not being really close. The better guy going forward will be the one who finds the balance between taking over games and getting his teammates involved. But I find their season’s to be far more illustrative of their values than one 6 game sample size.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 19, 2011 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
actually i would have been just as impressed by paul if he had done
what he did in that series to the t-wolves instead. this is because i have also seen derrick play the t-wolves and I know he didnt look like 2009 chris paul doing it; he looked a hell of a lot like 2010 derrick rose, who is awesome and awesome and awesome but inferior to 2009 chris paul. i agree 6 game sample sizes are lame, but thats what we are talking about.
"Ponchon," says Courteline, "has lived for over twenty-five years in the same house. It has been sold several times, and the different owners always stipulate in the deed that Ponchon will have no rent to pay; all this, without his ever having asked for it."
I love watching Blake Griffin
but having him as the 10th best player in the league (already) is ridiculous.
by darksmokepuncher on Oct 17, 2011 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Wow
This is my first post in a while, but I’m so disenchanted from the lockout that I can’t even manufacture anger toward ESPN.
Tuning in to the sad .gif party just made everything worse, and for that (and everything else) I blame yfbb. Boo.
Remember that Hollinger guy?
You know, the stathead who doesn’t watch the games and hates Derrick Rose? Well, he just wrote this article saying that Rose > Paul. Since it’s insider, here are some notable excerpts:
Paul is the best in clutch situations
As our Henry Abbott has outlined in great detail, to the constant consternation of the fanatical army of insane Kobe Bryant fans, Chris Paul and the New Orleans Hornets have been the best crunch-time offensive team over the past few years, by leaps and bounds. This owes as much to strategy as to execution — the Hornets do this crazy thing called running the offense rather than isolating for hero shots at the end of games — but obviously we have to give Paul a big chunk of the credit.
They pad Paul’s assists
Anecdotally, I’ve always been amazed by the dubious assists that wind up in Paul’s ledger in games in New Orleans, ever since I covered their 2008 playoff run and realized David West’s four-dribble drives were showing up in Paul’s assists column.
The numbers back up that theory. Last season Rose averaged 8.1 assists at home and 7.3 on the road, a fairly normal split for a high-profile point guard. Paul, on the other hand, averaged 10.7 at home and just 8.8 on the road, a decidedly abnormal difference. Alas, that spread has been consistent his whole career, except the one that he didn’t play in New Orleans. I wrote more about this in my individual player comments for ESPN.com, which we’ll release when basketball returns in 2013, but other measures also indicate that Paul is getting a lot of cheap assists from the home scoring crew.
Rose got better as the year went on
But the strongest trump card is the one belonging to Rose, which is that he significantly improved his one biggest weakness as the season went on. Over the first two seasons of his career, Rose drew shockingly few fouls for such a potent driver, and that continued in the early part of last season. What propped up Rose’s numbers at that point was an unlikely eruption of 3-point accuracy; once he predictably regressed to the mean his overall production should have sank like a stone.
Instead, Rose offset this decline by finally getting to the line in decent quantities; in the first 30 games he barely reached the stripe five times a game, but after the All-Star break he averaged 8.1. This appears to be a permanent addition to his game — he averaged 8.4 in 16 playoff games — and if so it means that we shortchange Rose’s value on Monday by just looking at his full-season stats.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Oct 17, 2011 4:08 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
never been a fan of Hoellinger
i wish mayweather can give him a larry merchant rant
"Psycho: I'm liable to go Michael/take your pick: Jackson, Tyson, Jordan - Game 6."
lockout makes people crazy
crazy meaning in this case, the opposite of what their normal way of thinking is. So hollinger crazy becomes, sane man hollinger?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
So yeah... I'll be in the panic room.
The BaB nemesis sides with Rose over Paul. The world surely is coming to an end.
Unless he still think Westbrook is Rose’s equal…
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Oct 18, 2011 5:28 AM CDT up reply actions
eh, basketball stats.
if you were starting a team, and picking any point guard, for one season, not taking account of age or anything, you’d have to be crazy if you’re not picking derrick.
by obnoxious american on Oct 18, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That depends on the rest of the team
You may want a passer like Nash over Rose if you have good enough pieces around them.
do any of these "guys" know DRose is number 1?
ITS ON HIS JERSEY FOR BENNY SAKE!!!!!
"Psycho: I'm liable to go Michael/take your pick: Jackson, Tyson, Jordan - Game 6."
I dont think they got the memo
…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Oct 17, 2011 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Here's all the Bulls...
DRose-8
Jo-29
Lu-46
Booz-50
Taj-103
Brew-154
Sheek-156
Korver-192
Big Sexy-254
Bogans-255
CJ-258
R Butler-335
Pargo-345 (lol)
J Butler-442
JL3-444
Sacl-449
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 17, 2011 6:16 PM CDT reply actions
Deng remains highly underrated
Rudy Gay is at no. 27. Putting Gay 20 spots higher than Deng is flat-out indefensible.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Oct 17, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, Deng is ranked too low
and Gay is ranked way too high. Are people really taking Gay over Bogut, Chandler, Curry and eric Gordon? His team was better after he got injured…
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 18, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Steph Curry gets too much love.
I’d take Gay over Curry and Bogut, maybe Chandler.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion
I’d take a strong defensive center over the high usage, but limited SF, any time. Chandler was the difference between Dallas becoming a champion and another also ran. I’ll say again, Gay’s team got better when he was hurt because they started to go inside more and the defense on the perimeter picked up. Curry and Gay is closer. Gay is bigger but he doesn’t use that size as any sort of defensive stopper. Curry is a more efficient scorer, killer 3 pt shooter and more savvy player. I’d take Curry.
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 18, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
why?
deng is a great team player.
rudy is a better all around sf
deng as a player himself is not that good. he cant really get his own shot off. cant really dribble or create for others. defensively hes good.
but rudy can get his own shot off. scores a lot more. and isnt that much worse than deng on defense given that his athleticism makes up for what he may lack in fundamentals compared to deng
Should've traded for Melo.
First of all, Deng is superior defensively by a wide margin.
That definitely factors into being an “all around sf.” On offense, the two players have identical TS%s, and Gay scores an extra 2 ppg because he shoots the ball more. Yes, Gay is a better shot-creator than Deng, and that is valuable. The corollary to that is that he needs the ball in his hands to be effective, and that takes opportunities away from his teammates. As Smurf mentioned, Memphis got better when Gay got hurt because they started to go inside more. If you want to say Gay is a more skilled player than Deng, fine, but in my book, the “better player” is the guy who has a greater impact on his team’s ability to win basketball games. The results are what matter.
Anyways, if you think Gay is a little bit better than Deng, that’s a reasonable opinion, even though I disagree. Saying Gay is A LOT better than Deng (20 spots in the rankings is quite a big gap) is just stupid.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Oct 19, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the only thing gay has on luol is athleticism.
by obnoxious american on Oct 19, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
to be fair, hes also a better shooter and better at accumulating defensive boxscore stats.
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wow pargo is on there?
holy crap.
by obnoxious american on Oct 18, 2011 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i didnt notice that either.
at least his “ya never know when he’ll get hot” reputation is intact despite not ever getting hot.
by JockstrapNoah on Oct 18, 2011 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He got hot in 2008 or so
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
i'd agree that rose is around the right spot for the upcoming year
but kobe at 7 is more of a lifetime achievement thing. rose is definitely better at this point.
the other thing is that b. griffin at 10 really bothered me. like some posts above said, i think he’s getting overrated at this point. top 20 or 25? sure. but that guy is a one-trick pony with no defense and not a ton of post moves. he’s freakishly athletic and posterized a ton of guys which is why everyone thinks he’s so good.
don’t get me wrong, i’d love to have him at PF. but the guy was a rookie last year. give him a few years before saying he’s top 10
probably true, but his passing really impressed me this year, for his age and position.
"Ponchon," says Courteline, "has lived for over twenty-five years in the same house. It has been sold several times, and the different owners always stipulate in the deed that Ponchon will have no rent to pay; all this, without his ever having asked for it."
My deductive reasoning skills tell me Howard will be (appropriately) ranked in the top 5.
Hey, remember the pre-lockout rumors about Dwight leaving Orlando? This recent interview probably will not bring Magic fans any comfort, but the remaining 29 teams can dream, right?
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by T.Moore on Oct 17, 2011 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Blake griffin is not overrated
He probalby is not top 10, but he shouldnt be ranked any lower than top 12. It was only a handful, if that, full of players who had a better season than him in only his “rookie” year.
yeah but look at how theyve been doing the rankings
they have kg ahead of bosh
nash way up there
sure he had a great statistical year
but are you going to tell me hes a more skilled player than say zach randolph or pau gasol?
hes a dunking machine who cant play a lick of defense and have very limited offensive game.
Should've traded for Melo.
by sin on Oct 18, 2011 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
We should know better than to perpetuate misconceptions.
People always do these things to Rose game and now many are doing the same to Blake. Sure he is not a great shooter but that is not that big of a deal because he has a nice post-game, the jumpshot is only going to make him a 29ppg type of player. Blake does dunk alot but the guy has a nice post game, considering the era he is playing in. He may not be more skilled but he is damn sure more physical and he hustles more than those two guys. blake had more forty point games than any rookie since AI, that does not sound like the guy is limited offensively at all to me. Im not some huge blake fan but he had a phenomenal rookie year. I said he wasnt more skilled than those two guys but If im not mistaken he has just as many triple double than those guys in his first year. blake was putting up great assist numbers for a rookie big man.
yeah but my point is they dont seem to be ranking players by what they did last year
they seem to be ranking them overall right now as a player.
statswise derrick rose and westbrook had similar years but there are a lot more factors in rose’s game that make him a clearly better player.
i think it should be obvious that blake is not in the top 10 players of the nba just yet
Should've traded for Melo.
#8 is pretty cool. actually if you told me a year ago derrick would be the 8th best player in the league
id have cackled with joy for about a week. id probably put him above kobe, durant and maybe even wade, but #8 is really good for a 22 year old PG.
"Ponchon," says Courteline, "has lived for over twenty-five years in the same house. It has been sold several times, and the different owners always stipulate in the deed that Ponchon will have no rent to pay; all this, without his ever having asked for it."
Come some explain to me
where that Kevin Arnovitz guy found that Kevin Durant posted the 13th best defensive +/- in the league? He didn’t even post the 13th best on his own team, let alone the league.
OH MY GOD LET'S ALL GET PISSED AT STUPID RANKINGS THAT ARE ONLY BEING DONE TO FILL SPACE
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I have to say I'm shocked Chris Paul is #4
ahead of Rose, Durant and DIRK?!?!? Really Dirk at #5 is bad. Right now you have to take him over Paul and Wade. If we were talking about winning a game for next season you could arguably take him over Lebron and Howard too. The point of the game is to outscore the opposing team. In a tight game, I feel Dirk gives you the best chance to do it. Not the greatest defender, but his shot making and leadership makes up for it.
My top ten:
1. Lebron
2. Howard
3. Dirk
4. Wade
5. Rose
6. Durant
7. Paul
8. Kobe
9. Gasol
10. D Will
Others receiving consideration: Westbrook, Melo, Stoudemire, Nash
by Basketball Smurf on Oct 18, 2011 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Dirk Nowitzki is still not good enough to lead the Mavericks to a championship
Good job ESPN :P
Rose decides not to go 1-on-2 and I was thinking, "what are you doing?! You've got the numbers!" -Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
by Prevenge on Oct 19, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think one of the 2 Knicks should be in there
Over Gasol.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Oct 20, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Andrew Bynum 30?
Right….at least Noah beat him.
"You play to win the playoffs, and we let 'em off the hook!" -Herm Mora Green
I don't think Noah is a #29
He might have been at the start of last season. He practically carried the bulls though the “defense not quite ready” stage. He wasn’t the same player when he came back from his injury, though. I do think playing with Boozer is a tough pairing, I hope that Boozer can adjust to Noah better (ie. contest shots, rotate and move into the low post) when this thing gets warmed up again.
by JockstrapNoah on Oct 18, 2011 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Which Noah do you think is more likely?
He wasn’t the same, but i’d expect him to start off this year the same way he started next year.
I think Boozer sucks up alot of his offensive freedom
and harms the whole team defensively, and Noah in particular by concentrating on rebounding his man’s shot instead of contesting, even though Noah is an extremely reliable defensive rebounder.
Noah can’t be that player, the player that makes good decisions, takes up the space the defense gives him, and leads on the defensive end, with Boozer in there.
I think the 2011 playoffs Noah is the most likely as long as he’s saddled with Boozer.
by JockstrapNoah on Oct 18, 2011 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
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