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Wednesday links/know your fanposts and fanshots: Injury updates, Rose praise, Omer praise, Noah at the mic

With the Bulls having a long break before taking on the Magic (in a so-not-'must'-anything game), it's the perfect opportunity to get away from the game-to-game grind. Look instead for some long-view, perspective, looks on the team and the franchise as a whole...but I'm both under the weather and uninspired. So you instead get a look around the BaB sidebar (and wherever they may direct you) at some Bulls happenings this week:

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Fuck Funk.

Great dig to unfurl in your final sentence.

by jpx7 on Jan 26, 2011 6:09 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Abbot's a douche

One of the most annoying blogger/commentators out there. Listening to him on ESPN’s NBA podcast was painful.

by JSB on Jan 26, 2011 6:36 PM CST reply actions  

lol @ Booz

he just doesn’t want to call anybody sexy after the last person he called sexy to ended up on a TV show. You know, cant have Kurt all on TV during our season

"Where did you get this information and why should I listen to it?" - Stacey King

by Belize on Jan 26, 2011 6:42 PM CST reply actions  

in the kurt thomas/noah video

does stacy king say “he’s so sexy” both times or is one of those Noah?

by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Jan 26, 2011 7:02 PM CST reply actions  

These "stats" guys kill me with their M.V.P. analysis.

The award has never been about the statistically most superior player in the league…in my opinion, it has always been a combo of popularity contest and how has the player improved/carried his team…and yet, somehow Steve Nash has still has two..?

Until Tommy Del Thibo is taken out of your signature, it’s: Juiceboxbogans.

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2011 9:12 PM CST reply actions  

does he deserve two?

"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan

by MRubio52 on Jan 26, 2011 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Nash doesn't even deserve one...

He is the worst M.V.P. in the history of the league…I mean, Karl Malone didnt deserve his, but he was damn good in all phases of the game.

Until Tommy Del Thibo is taken out of your signature, it’s: Juiceboxbogans.

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 26, 2011 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

The Suns didn't win 60 games in 2005-2006.

His first MVP is the problem:

2004-2005: 15.5 ppg, 11.5 assists, 3.3 rbs, 1.0 steals, 3.3 to’s, 50.2% shooting, 43.1% from 3, and 88.7% from the free-throw line.

Good numbers but not MVP #‘s in my book. I don’t care how many wins his team had.

There is no doubt in my mind that he won the 2nd one because his stats improved from the previous year (when he won). The Suns won their division but had the 3rd best record in the conference.

"It feels the same. A win is a win no matter how my stats are. I was not aware at all I was that close. I was too caught up in the game. They made their run and they hit four or five straight shots and my concern was stopping their shots and I guess that led to a triple-double." - Derrick Rose.

by chicity773 on Jan 28, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

If the MVP award was simply the best player for that year, then Rose is definitely not the MVP, and probably won’t have a shot for a couple years. BUT, when you look at certain factors that have been used to determine MVP candidates in the past (i.e. team success, value to team, quality of teammates, star power, numbers), it’s hard to dispute that Rose is one of, if not the the most qualified players at this point of the season.

I mean, let’s just say that voters will not go for Lebron or Wade, which I think is very likely, who is a better choice than Rose right now? Durant, Nowitzki and Howard are the only names I could come up with, and they’re certainly not having much better years than Derrick, if at all. In the end, this comes down to how badly voters wanna screw Wade and Lebron for playing together. And I wish these stat assholes would acknowledge that, instead of trying to just put Derrick’s season down.

Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo

by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 26, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

If New Orleans finishes third in the West,

I could see Chris Paul getting it. His scoring is down and that hurts him, but low expectations for his team and the lack of any comparable star on the team help him.

Durant and Nowitzki will be hurt if their teams don’t finish with 60 wins, but Orlando does have a realistic chance at 60 wins and so I see Howard as the favorite, especially since his scoring is up.

by Tim S. on Jan 27, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

maybe they want better voting for the MVP?

and Nash winning helps your (poor) point, he carried and improved that Suns team and was popular.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 26, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Doubtful.

As it does not appear they are considering the past statistical correlations of winners. I get the feeling they want the award to be given to the player with the best statistical season.

As you noted, Nash winning supports my position…

Until Tommy Del Thibo is taken out of your signature, it’s: Juiceboxbogans.

by Dionysus2.0 on Jan 27, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey ESPN, what Derrick Rose wants, Derrick Rose gets...

AND ONE!!!!!! YOU MUTHAFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT REF!!!! AND ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Juan dela Cruz on Jan 27, 2011 2:57 AM CST reply actions  

Abbot got ripped to shreds for his post yesterday. I can see if he doesn’t think Rose deserves MVP, but what his reasons were beyond stupid. Such as STILL calling Rose a bad defender when the numbers would prove otherwise.

by fredv21 on Jan 27, 2011 9:37 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I think this was posted last week, but to those needing ammunition to combat the assertion that DRose plays “bad defense”
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/rose-dwarfs-other-improvements-with-defense/

"Keep it goin', baby. You're a bad motherf%^*er...." -Mamba

by CAto312 on Jan 27, 2011 11:41 AM CST reply actions  

My take on stats is, it’s a good tool but you need to watch the damned games you effin nerds
I’ve seen some ridiculous viewpoints based on stats alone….

"Keep it goin', baby. You're a bad motherf%^*er...." -Mamba

by CAto312 on Jan 27, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions  

Wait

til you’ve been around here a bit longer.

by kingj41 on Jan 27, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The Adande and Hollinger points you make at the end of that are paramount to Kobe (or anyone that gets both of those guys on their side) winning the award

I honestly have no problem with basically any of those guys winning it, so long as they all stay healthy and consistent.

why can't Neil pick on Bogans for once?

by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 27, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Do you think the writers who vote on this award are actually swayed by Adande or, especially, Hollinger?

If the Lakers make a late push to overtake the Spurs for top seed in the West, I could see Kobe stealing the award. However, it’s going to have to be newspaper writers pushing that story, not espn.com writers.

Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com

by snley on Jan 27, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I disagree in part

I think ESPN is very influential in shaping the MVP debate, especially since they’ve gotten in the basketball business and I think Hollinger in particular has been influential in getting people to focus on stats in these debates. Adande, not so much, but I used him as an example because he is based in LA (and I think also works for the LA Times). ESPN is essentially the source point for all these beat writers – ESPN is where they want to be. I think they follow the storylines put out by ESPN. They shape the dialogue.

I don’t think having ESPN behind a particular player, in of itself, is enough to make that player MVP. But they kind of decide who the viable candidates are and everyone kind of follows suit.

by Basketball Smurf on Jan 27, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

You forgot a con about Paul

While he is ultra efficient, he isn’t doing enough for his team. He doesn’t take enough shots and he doesn’t take over games as much as he should.

New Orleans would be better served if he would try to do more, even if it hurt his efficiency.

by tuluse on Jan 27, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Would they really be better served?

Seems like distributing and going the efficient route has done his team pretty well through hake a season. We know that. Not sure how he could do MORE for that team by changing his approach now.

by pooriejay on Jan 27, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

he's creating less efficient shots than if took more

So yeah, I think they would be better with Paul shooting instead of Jarret jack or Trever ariza

by tuluse on Jan 27, 2011 8:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Here's a Rose analysis that Henry Abbott linked to today.

Link

In reading about whether Rose is “worthy” enough to be an All-Star starter, I came across this statement. I had to read this about four times to make sure it says what I think it says.

The only real issue is that the three guards in front of him currently; Wade, Rondo and Fields are much better guards.

Do you think the Knicks would give the Bulls Landry Fields for Rose?

 

by bryield on Jan 27, 2011 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

Me either

But it seems like the Rose hate is piling on by the day.

by bryield on Jan 27, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe, but Wade is probably better

I still wouldn’t trade for him because his injury history is scary.

by tuluse on Jan 27, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

You know Tim S. is using every fiber of his being to resist jumping in.

Let’s not bait him. :)

Dr. Handsome, D.D.S.; Working feverishly to get a Sensodyne Toothpaste Dispenser next to Derrick Rose's Skittles Machine. He's going to need it!

by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 27, 2011 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Fucking horrible syntax, too.

That sentence should read more like this:

“The only real issue is that the three guards in front of him currently – Wade, Rondo and Fields – are much better guards.”

Dumbshits and their inability to effectively employ semicolons.

by jpx7 on Jan 27, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Also:

Abbott mistakenly attributed the article to Dave Berri, when it was in fact written by Andres Alvarez and simply re-posted on Berri’s site.

by jpx7 on Jan 27, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Starters announced today. Is Rose a lock?

bad shooting from Rose the past week, sore back after he landed on a layin, remember he grabbed his back in that one game?

"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah

by Trey23 on Jan 27, 2011 3:19 PM CST reply actions  

I'm kind of over the Rose All-star/MVP talk..

He’s helping the team win and elevating everyone around him, and I care about a million percent more about what happens in the playoffs than I do about all that other stuff. And so does Rose, thank goodness.

by DisCUBbobulated on Jan 28, 2011 12:25 AM CST reply actions  

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