Is Rose the new Iverson? And is that a good thing?
by wilsoneads on Jan 23, 2011 9:31 AM CST
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I've noticed a trend recently with Derrick Rose. Tons of shots, low field goal percentage, too much sloppy play. He gets his numbers, but by no means efficiently. This brought back memories of Allen Iverson. Now for a 4-5 year stretch, Iverson was one of the top 3 players in the league, but there was always something...lacking in him, which may be the reason why he never won a championship. Now I know Rose isn't as selfish as Iverson, but man do they have similar games with similar deficiencies. So my question is, is Rose the next Iverson? And is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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No and no.
Rose takes a lot of shots because with injury issues to the team, Thibs gets mad when he doesn’t take more shots. If Thibs told him to ease back and make his teammates do the scoring then Rose would do it. He has said from day one that he prefers to defer and get his teammates involved. It just hasn’t worked out that way to this point.
Iverson was a dink who did not want to work hard outside of game time and looked to make all of the plays himself.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 23, 2011 9:36 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
And Iverson did not work hard on defense.
He just played the passing lanes for steals. Derrick plays defense the right way.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 23, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
win!
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on Jan 23, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
haha!
most rec’s i’ve ever seen.
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
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Iverson was one of the best scoring guards of all time – let’s not get that twisted. He wasn’t a “dink”. Derrick Rose is not one of the best scoring guards of all time yet. Hes also not as selfish as Allen Iverson. Hes also a better passer, better defender, more athletic and has a better feel for the game.
by Fiadelnegro on Jan 23, 2011 9:43 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
If by scoring you mean points, okay.
But considering how bad his percentages are across the board, I would only call him one of the greatest chuckers of all time.
And he’s still a dink.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S.; Working feverishly to get a Sensodyne Toothpaste Dispenser next to Derrick Rose's Skittles Machine. He's going to need it!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 23, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
A chucker who took his team to the finals.
a team that had no business being there. And then actually got a game on the lakers. Lebron had more and did less with the cavs
by TruEChiFaN... on Jan 24, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
that's cause lebron isn't a streaky shooter who can get hot
…but usually disappoints against tough D. he went to the finals because the east blew for quite a while there
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
Don't get it twisted
A.I. is probably the best player for his size in league history. He took one of the worst surrounding casts in NBA history to the finals. If you don’t think Rose can take this team to the finals the way it’s now set up, then that should put in perspective what Iverson did. because his team was worst.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Yeah, uh...no.
Now for a 4-5 year stretch, Iverson was one of the top 3 players in the league,
No way.
Tons of shots
Iverson led the league in USG% 6 times, approaching 40% at its highest. Rose isn’t even at 32%
low field goal percentage
Again, Iverson’s FG% is terrible, terrible, terrible. Rose’s is average. And let’s not bring up TS%, it’s the same story.
He gets his numbers, but by no means efficiently
Yeah..Iverson isn’t exactly the poster child of efficiency.
Iverson is the most overrated player ever, imo.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 23, 2011 9:52 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
I think Iverson's better than you give him credit for.
He singlehandedly led a terrible Philadelphia team to the finals. Not bad for a 5’11" guard.
by wilsoneads on Jan 23, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Lebron did the same thing
but imo that doesn’t add to his resume, only shows how terrible the East was.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 23, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
You say "Lebron did the same thing" as a dismissal
but doesn’t that simply put Iverson’s achievement on the same level as Lebron’s? And that was pretty darn impressive, especially seeing how bad the cavs are this year
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jan 23, 2011 6:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, it equate's his success to Lebron's
and furthermore labels it as irrelevant, seeing as both of them nearly got swept. It’s not like they both went through tough, tough teams and lost a hard-fought final round.
Offensively, Iverson is doing nothing special. Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, Melo, ROSE, all of those guys could score like he could if they were taking as many shots as AI did.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 23, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
Yea but iverson actully won a game in the finals
and did it with less talent, against a better team
by TruEChiFaN... on Jan 24, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
THE EAST WAS THE LEAST
None of those Eastern teams would have been more than 8th in the West that year…..they won 1 game against the Lakers big deal, they were pretty much killed the rest of the way.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
I agree 500%
Iverson is the most overrated player in NBA history. Bar none.
Right on, rec.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
Why is Dirk not but A.I. is?
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Because Dirk shoots at a high average
and for a guy who did not spend much time in the pain he rebounds well.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 24, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
He's also an underrated defender
He has a reputation as a bad one, but he’s way better than a lot of the premier PFs in the game today (Griffin, Amare, Bosh, Boozer, Lee, etc.).
Pat Riley is the devil.
Because he's p robably in the top 10 greatest shooters ever, in spite of being a big man?
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 24, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
and iverson has one of the top like 5 career averages in scoring despite being 5'11
AND in an era where big men still lived and the rules werent catered to guards
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
Yes, and that proves what point
that he’s an all-time great? I don’t think so
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 25, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
You're really underatting A.I.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Iverson was awesome in his prime.
I feel bad to see people disregard him so much. He may have taken a lot of shots, but at the same time, he was one of the most talented players to be in the game at the time.
Did anybody else think that the Bulls logo upside down looks like a robot reading a book on a bench?
by lama1 on Jan 23, 2011 10:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
see that says it all. that's why i was never big on the melo thing. how many titles do those guys have?
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I used to love watching AI play.
While Allen was always a bit of a head case, he was also a warrior who would do anything to score and help his team win.
AI wasn’t asked to facilitate the offense as much as Rose does, but he was asked to carry the scoring load pretty much just as much.
The year they made the championship series, that Sixer team was based on good defense and having Iverson score as much as possible. Yes, the east was weak that season, but what Allen accomplished was still amazing.
I would say the main difference is that Rose has a calmer head on his shoulders, and that seems to me the main difference, but reading all these people bash on Iverson is pissing me off. IMO, AI was one of the greatest players ever.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jan 24, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
Please explain how an inefficient volume chucker is one of the greatest players ever.
He needed 27 shots a game to average 31. He never bothered to learn to play defense the right way. And his offensive prowess could have opened up more offense for his teammates had he ever truly dedicated himself to doing so.
Having fun watching someone play does not mean they are the greatest at anything. He was a very good player who generally took the wrong approach to the game and did not maximize his above average court vision offensively or his athletic gifts defensively. He was an out of this world athlete who took to attempting while drives at the basket or ill-advised pull-up jumpers.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 24, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Labeling Iverson simply as a inefficient chucker
isn’t fair to what he was or what he accomplished.
Those 96-06 Sixer teams were flat out awful. Of course he was forced to shoulder the scoring load. It’s a very similar argument for Derrick Rose. When you have no one else to score, your best player is forced to take bad shots.
And for such an inefficient chucker, he still averaged nearly 9 ft attempts per game and nearly 8 assists per game.
He also averaged 30 ppg for his career in the playoffs (second only to Michael Jordan), but yeah, that’s not going to help you win right? All he cares about is chucking and padding his stats.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 24, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
See the various comments about how bad the EC was during his time.
And even though I’m not much of an advocate for TS%, but if your career TS% is a paltry .518 and you shoot as much as he did, then yes, you are an inefficient chucker. If you are a career 42.5% shooter and shot almost four 3s a game at a lowly 31%, you are an inefficient chucker. And where are you getting 8 assists per game? He got to 7.9 once as his career high with a 35% usage.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 24, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Man sometimes stats just don't tell the whole story
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Nope
sometimes it’s his words and approach as well. Like how uncoachable he was and his silly anti-practice rant.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 24, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
What does any of that
have to do with his play? He had run ins with Larry Brown. fine. He carried a terrible cast to the finals. He’s 26 and 6 for his career! A lot of revisionist history about A.I. as far as I’m concerned. He’s one of the all-time greats.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
This ignores the point
Labeling Iverson simply as a inefficient chucker isn’t fair to what he was or what he accomplished.
It’s hardly a label at this point. Iverson is the definition of inefficient chucker. Seriously.
And considering he was getting 9fta and was STILL horrifyingly efficient, it just shows you how bad he was. Some people like to separate accolades from stats when they consider how good a player was, but I prefer to look at both. Yes, he did good by carrying his team, but you could argue that his inefficient scoring didn’t help all that much, and it was really the defense that brought them to where they went.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 24, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And you're ignoring the Sixer lineups:
How dare Iverson put up a high volume of shot attempts when he had such amazing teammates like Dikembe Mutumbo, Aaron McKie, George Lynch, Theo Ratcliffe, Matt Geiger, Tyrone HIll, Eric Snow, etc etc.
The fact that those teams won anything is an accomplishment in itself.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jan 24, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Hey, Dikembe was, is and always will be awesome
(But the rest of the team sucked indeed)
Did you vote for the ASG today?
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 24, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
on offense?
No arguing his awesomeness elsewhere
He had no choice, then, fine.
Does that add an asterisk to his TS% that says ‘forced to be inefficient’?
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 24, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
Another point
During Iverson’s only full season in Denver, where he finally got a chance to play alongside some other guys who could dependably put the ball in the basket, he put up a .567 TS%, which is quite excellent for a volume scorer.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Yes but everyone was predicting a championship contender.
Iverson’s stay in Denver must be labeled a disappointment if you look at what everyone predicted at the time. Meanwhile, Philadelphia without Iverson was much better than anyone predicted.
I've seen a lot of people say about Rose some of the things you just about Iverson
And my response is the same in bit cases: at a certain point someone has to try and score the damn ball. No his shot selection wasn’t great, but there are very few high-volume scorers with good shot selection. Ive seen Rose take some really dumb pull-up transition jumpers this year. Dwyane Wade is one of the most relentless players ever in terms of getting to the hoop, and even he’s good for a couple absolutely moronic jumpers per game. Even MJ had his lapses in shot selection. Part of the problem is hubris; you cant be an elite scorer without having tremendous confidence in your abilities and it’s easy to let that confidence turn into recklessness. Now Iverson’s nowhere near MJ’s level, but criticizing the former’s shot selection while never mentioning it with the latter is just hypocritical.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jan 24, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Also, Iverson truly helped revolutionize the game
His style of play has had a tremendous influence on the current generation of up-and-coming players. I think the Iversons, Steve Francis’s and Penny Hardaways of the league has had a lot to do with the recent massive influx of talented young PGs.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jan 24, 2011 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Now this is a remark that I agree with.
Iverson’s a great player with not-so-good impact but a nice list of accolades/accomplishments.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 24, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
If you are comparing Rose to Iverson
we’re talking about a guy who made a career of inefficiency and a 3rd year player who has only recently come about a semi-consistent jump shot from within and beyond the arc. The people who say these things about Rose are simply jumping to conclusions. Iverson had an entire of doing what he did.
Ultimately my point is that any claim that he is a ‘greatest ever’ in any capacity is wrong. I’m not saying he wasn’t a very skilled player, but ‘greatest ever’ is not something he should be labeled as.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 24, 2011 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
I agree 100%!
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
I'd say "it depends" to both questions.
Yes there are some similarities to both of their games. There are also a lot of differences. So overall I’d say it depends on which attributes you look at in comparison, but overall I’d say they are different enough players.
To the 2nd one, again it depends on what you mean. If you mean “is Rose stuck with horrible teammates and the need to singlehandedly carry the team each and every game for 8 straight years” then that’s a bad thing.
It seems a lot of you forget, but Iverson was awesome. Maybe not top 3, but definitely a top 10 player between 98 and 2006. And most of those Philly teams he was on were pretty bad. He singlehandedly carried that team. His USG was high because he had to, much the same what that right now Rose has to do more while Noah and Boozer were out. His shooting was poor, again, because he was taking all the tough shots, getting double and triple teamed, and also generally getting beat the hell up. AI took a beating every game and kept going. He may not have put in the effort outside of the game but he sure as hell let it all out during each game. I also think people are underestimating his passing and overall playmaking ability.
In Rose’s favor, assuming it’s not a fluke this year, he has the better 3 point shot and is on his way to being a better defender. He’s also bigger, stronger, and more athletic.
It’s not the worst thing to be compared to such a great player as AI. If anything, Rose is well on his way to being better and already has a nice group of teammates to build on.
I guess what I ultimately mean is...
Is he going to be that point guard that’s good enough to bring his team to the brink but never get them over the hump?
Absolutely no and neither was AI.
I have no doubt that AI was good enough to lead a team to a championship, had he ever had a chance to play with a championship caliber group of teammates.
by berzerkulous on Jan 23, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
ehhh...that's a cop out. it's not like he was in the league for 3 years and then broke his legs, he had time.
when you get right down to it, iverson has no place on any of the championship teams of the last two decades. who needs an extremely inefficient shoot-first point guard? as its been noted already a million times, rose has a dozen important “team” skills that iverson never possessed or seemingly cared about.
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
It's not a cop out.
Give Kobe those very same Philly teams and he’s screaming to high heaven for a trade.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 24, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
agreed. but a trigger happy 2 is easier to build around than a trigger happy 1.
i hesitate to blame sixers management for not turning an iverson-dominated team into champs
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
So you’re not blaming Sixers management for giving Iverson such shitty talent to work with? Who exactly should be blamed then??
Even Kobe couldn’t win a championship without a dominant big to help him out.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 24, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
look, all i'm saying is, in my opinion, iverson is not a player you can build a championship squad around
not that the philly FO did the best possible job, but there’s really no blueprint for playing winning basketball with a profoundly selfish scoring guard who is supposed to be your team’s distributor.
anyway, say you’re a free agent shooter – do you really want to play on that team? say you’re a big name guy, at any position, do you want to commit your prime to a chucker with an occasional knack for big shots? i agree kobe couldn’t win a title without a dominant big, but i don’t think iverson could win one with dwight howard.
"I'm broadening my horizons past basketball to vocabulary." - Jeff Van Gundy
by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm saying
this whole idea that Iverson is profoundly selfish is absolute crap. He was selfish because the team needed and wanted him to be selfish offensively.
And as far as your other point, how exactly would a dominant scoring guard not mesh perfectly with a more efficient scoring big like Howard? If anything you look to the dual high volume tandem as a potential problem ( ala AL-Carmelo), but I can definitely see a Howard – Iverson duo contending for championships.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 24, 2011 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
speculation. when else has larry brown coached like that? when else has it worked, outside of one lucky shot in a bad east?
and a scoring guard is exactly what howard needs, just not one who is supposed to play the 1. unless they run the triangle, so maybe he should go to LA.
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
looking at that again, i assume you mean AI-melo
and it’s definitely a problem. two high-usage guys, one of whom is supposed to run the offense? go figure, it didn’t work out. if you want to see a PG who chucks out of necessity, watch bulls games.
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
"go figure, it didn’t work out"
It did work out to some extent. Both AI and Melo were extremely efficient that year. If Nene had been healthy, they might have won it all that year.
Pat Riley is the devil.
"but there’s really no blueprint for playing winning basketball with a profoundly selfish scoring guard who is supposed to be your team’s distributor."
Sure there is. Name him Kobe Bryant, put him on the Lakers and pair him with a hall of fame big man.
Pat Riley is the devil.
"but a trigger happy 2 is easier to build around than a trigger happy 1"
I just disagree with that. It’s basically the same thing, if you ask me. Swap Kobe for Iverson on the 2000-02 Lakers teams and they’re still in a great position to win 3 championships.
Pat Riley is the devil.
neither of these LA comparisons work, because LA runs the triangle
you don’t need a distributor in that system. OK, maybe AI could hack it, but i’m not really ready to elevate him to the level of the only two guys who have made it work – MJ and Kobe. And you need phil. You see AI putting up with team-building native american rituals?
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying he's as good as those guys
I’m saying that the notion that it was impossible to build a championship contender around AI is not accurate.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Rose is what Iverson should of been
unlike iverson he puts in work in the gym that’s why he’s a better shooter…i think he’s an Iverson upgrade…yes he takes alot of shots and partly is his fault but also his team puts him in pretty much F’d up positions where he has to take da last shot like when Jordan was play n when doug collins was coaching…I love iverson though he’s a champion in my book and him and DRose has a similar drive for success(#3 did make it to the finals), its one of those “student becomes greater than the teacher” things…DRose is also bigger and stronger so he can do a little more around the rim than ivo, he also a better leader ivo wouldn’t quit on da game but DRose wont quit on his team…big plus, and he got a better personality…by da end of his career…DRose will be over Iverson…championship or not
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Good post
I think there are some similarities between the two. I think Rose can be an evolutionary Allen Iverson if he can continue to improve. The thing that is most similar about their games is how hard it is for their man on defense to stay in front of them. The fact that Rose has 4 inches and 30 pounds on Iverson is huge. He is going to be able to hold up much better. If Rose continues to work on his defense and jump shot, he will become what Iverson couldn’t become.
I think that Rose can be the best player on an NBA Champion. I’m not sure AI even in his prime could.
Agreed, But AI did run into Shaq and Kobe
So he got close,
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I'm actually pretty surprised by some of these responses
Rose and Iverson are very comparable players. Rose right now has a .538 TS% on a 31.7 TS%. When Iverson was Rose’s age, he had a .535 TS% on a 26.7 USG%. All of the arguments we make about how Rose has to carry the scoring load because he lacks help definitely apply to Iverson too. Rose is definitely a step ahead, but overall, they are not very dissimilar. And that’s not a bad thing. Iverson may have been a tad overrated, but he was still one of the greatest players of his generation.
Pat Riley is the devil.
It's easy to throw out numbers like TS% and Usage and claim that makes them similar.
But how they got to those numbers could not be any more different. Rose is a career 48% shooter from the floor who, until this season, did not take 3-point shots and could not get to the line. The only reason his TS% isn’t higher now is because he still only gets to the line 6 times a game. Iverson was lucky to shoot 42% from the floor in a season and never shot well from 3. Iverson’s assist % went down in his first 3 years while Rose’s went up. And more importantly, Rose shoots because he is asked to, not because his is built to while Iverson was shooting 18 shots a game in his rookie season.
If Rose’s Usage and shots per game go up in the next couple of years then it would make a little more sense to make such comparisons. For now, the Stephon Marbury comparisons make more sense though he couldn’t shoot either.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 23, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
"But how they got to those numbers could not be any more different."
Really? They’re both dynamic guards who rely on athleticism and creative ballhandling and finishing moves to get their points. Yes you’re right, Rose does have a higher FG% and AI got to the line more but, all things considered, I’d say they’re very comparable. Obviously, no two players are exactly alike, but I’d say Iverson is, more or less, as close a comp to Rose as you’re gonna get. Marbury might be a little more comparable, but whatever.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I think we'll get a better idea further down the line.
As of now, I think the comparison has only come about because of his recent stint of bad shooting. I really hope he doesn’t feel the need (or has to) shoot 20 shots a game for the rest of his career. Getting a bloody 2 guard would help.
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 23, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions
If Rose has a true shooting percentage
of .508 ,.496, .518 ,.489 ,.500 his next 5 years, i’ll concede that Rose is Iverson. I don’t see that happening, because Rose actually cares about making himself a better player, and will not simply take more shots to compensate for hitting less of them.
And yes, Iverson was a good player, but a selfish one. I hated his game at the time, and I had never even heard of TS%. It’s true that other teams had to concentrate a lot of resources to keep him from scoring, but what bothered me is that he’d shoot the ball anyway. Brown did a great job building a team around a bunch of guys who played excellent defense and didn’t mind that they never touched the ball.
I hope not.
Rose’s personality could not be more different, but right at the moment, for whatever reason, his game is similar. But Rose has not reached his peak and we don’t know what the next two years will bring.
And yes, if nothing changes I would call that a bad thing.
D-Rose is Francis, Marbury, and Iverson rolled into one, minus the attitude.
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wait...then what's left?
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
Derrick's career FG% so far: 47.4% according to NBA.com
that’s better than Kobe, Durant, Deron, slightly better than CP3 (47.3%) and slightly worse than Lebron James (47.5%).
“meh”
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 24, 2011 10:44 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
re: sloppy play, Derrick's Turnovers per game: 2.8
better than Kobe, Durant, Deron, Lebron, Dwyane and slightly worse than CP3 (2.5).
“well, I guess he’s alright…..but if we ever get the chance to get the Kurt guy back, we gotta do it.”
by darksmokepuncher on Jan 24, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Thier close but Rose is more of a PG
which killed Iverson’s career since everyone wanted him to play the 1..AND HE’S A 2!
"Where did you get this information and why should I listen to it?" - Stacey King
maybe this should have been about comparing Iverson to Gordon
and…a few years ago?
by SidM on Jan 24, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
CJ Watson and iverson is a way better comparison than rose and iverson
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by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
That's insulting to AI
and I’m not his biggest fan, but … wow
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
by Prevenge on Jan 24, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i mean he's an undersized shooter who wouldn't play the point in an ideal world
not he’s a crappy backup who, while he has a stroke, has never actually attempted to put the ball on the floor or fight around a screen or really “distribute” but prefers to mack on floyd mayweather’s girlfriend dribble around the perimeter like the pre-trade magic and then jack up generally ill-advised shots that are less blatantly offensive when he’s having a rare “on” night.
"I'm broadening my horizons past basketball to vocabulary." - Jeff Van Gundy
by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Iverson had more than "rare on nights"
AI in his prime was really fukin good..way better than BG even though BG was/is more of a pure shooter than AI
"Where did you get this information and why should I listen to it?" - Stacey King
read it again
cause i agree
"I'm broadening my horizons past basketball to vocabulary." - Jeff Van Gundy
by paddyfairview on Jan 24, 2011 6:41 PM CST up reply actions
What is this? Bash Iverson day?
Iverson was a sg and Rose is a pg in the nba and it is crazy to call someone a dink……..the man lead his team to the finals, mvp of the league in 2001, smallest player to ever accomplish this and will be in the hall of fame, give the guy some credit, Rose and Iverson are completely 2 different players.
A lot of old white guys post on this site it seems....
"It feels the same. A win is a win no matter how my stats are. I was not aware at all I was that close. I was too caught up in the game. They made their run and they hit four or five straight shots and my concern was stopping their shots and I guess that led to a triple-double." - Derrick Rose.
Excuse you, sir
we prefer to be called ‘old white men.’
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S.; Working feverishly to get a Sensodyne Toothpaste Dispenser next to Derrick Rose's Skittles Machine. He's going to need it!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 24, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
Wheres that come from/ whys it matter?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
I think he's talking about how AI's "gangsta" kind of image ticks off old white guys
or at least the perception that that’s why some people aren’t fans of him.
Seriously, that's an effing stupid thing to say
It should be deleted
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 25, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
DRose is no Iverson, but is becoming less efficient of a scorer and becoming more of a "chucker" these days
DRose has been given the “green light” and has taken more bad shots this year becasuse when in the lane and can’t get all the way to the rim he would just chuck one up to the rim hoping something good happens. And It also doesnt help his FG% when with a few ticks left in the qtr he just flings one up near full court and misses. IMO, DRose should settle for a balanced mid-range jumper in those situations when the paint is too well occupied. Given time, I hope he will improve this part of his game.
I'm suprised this hasn't been mentioned yet
Rose AST%: 40% this year
AI AST%: 28.8% for his career
AI’s career high AST% for a year: 37.6%
Rose’s Years above 30% AST%: 2 out of 3
AI’s Years above 30% AST%: 5 out of 14
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