A Response to Dwyer's Crap Awards Compilation.
by dakoose on Jan 20, 2011 12:47 AM CST
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I posted this in two other threads, but someone proposed that I turn it into a FPost so here goes. Y'all saw the Dwyer list for the awards up until this point, and in case you didn't here's a link. FYI, I think Rose is the MIP and MVP up until this point, Thibs is coach of the year, Dwight is DPOY, Griffin is ROY, Crawford for Sixth Man.
I dunno where to discuss this,
but seeing as this is a Rose thread, I’ma defend Rose’s MVP honors and drop this on some of his MVP rivals.
Are we at the point where we can tell anyone who thinks Amare is MVP to just STFU? After the loss tonight, the Knicks stand at…..23-20. I keep hearing that the Knicks are relevant, and even K-El-Amin over here thinks they’re better than the Bulls(remember that?). The Knicks are still a nobody in this league, they’ll be fighting for a 6-8 seed and a swift early round exit. Amare puts up numbers on a healthy team, but his team is still meh. Rose puts up numbers on a broken team, and his team is killing it. I wouldn’t trade Rose for 2 Amares.
Also, I see Dwyer has snubbed Rose in favor of Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Dirk, CP3 and Dwight. What the hell is this guys smoking, saying that Rose isn’t even a candidate? Dwyer clearly loves his numbers, so why doesn’t he sink his teeth into that NYTimes article instead of calling out Rose’s defense, which has been freaking awesome this year?
Lebron has better numbers than anybody? Hmmmm……..
DRose, 24.7/4.7/8
Lebron 25.6/7.1/7.2. DRose has equally impressive numbers with more impressive percentages across the boards, and he’s not playing alongside Dwayne Wade and Bosh!
I mean, if two MVP candidates are on one team and their record is only one game better than the team with the guy that you won’t even consider, there’s something wrong with that.
DWade??? Not only are Rose’s numbers more impressive, he’s been better and has had to do it without the best player in the league playing in the same lineup. Oh, and Rose has been the man on his team, Wade hasn’t.
Dirk? Playing really well, but when you miss 1/4 of your team’s games, you shouldn’t be in the discussion. If he was healthy all year he’d be a stronger candidate.
CP3? 16/4/9.6, with zero thirty point games? Are you kidding me. If Rose decided that he didn’t mind losing, he could rack up those numbers with his eyes closed, with more efficiency. DWill too. He’s been better than CP3 this year, by the way. Would that be the worst stat line for an MVP, ever?
Kobe? Rose has been scoring just as well, shooting better from deep and been both a better passer and defender. Oh, and his team is winning games with major injuries to two of it’s three best players.
Dwight Howard. He’s actually got a strong case here, as Dwight is having a phenomenal season, but you’d have a tough time convincing me he’s been better than Rose to the point where Dwight has clearly been better. And again, DRose’s team has been better than Dwight’s, with Rose being the reason why.
Booz and Jo have missed 36 games collectively. Rose has been the only true constant on his team.*
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Wade and LeBron's numbers are a little bit better
They both have TS%s of about 57% as compared to Rose at 54%. They are putting up PERs of 25 vs Rose at 23. Dwyer makes it seem like they are at over 60% and over 30 PERs. When you factor in the degree of difficulty for Rose, and the fact that his team is only a game behind the Heat, you have to give Derrick the edge.
The only argument that I can see for those other 2 is that honestly I wonder if the Bulls would be better/worse if you traded Derrick for either of them. My gut tells me they would be worse. But, if we are talking about what actually has happened on the court this season, I think Derrick has been more valuable than the 2 of them.
The Kobe, CP3 and Dirk arguments are dumb. Especially the CP3 arguments. This isn’t Most Efficient Player. It’s Most Valuable Player. Howard is right there with Derrick.
by JSB on Jan 20, 2011 2:05 AM CST reply actions 5 recs
The Dirk argument isn't that dumb
Look what happened when he went out. Train wreck.
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
I only think it's dumb because he missed so many games
I agree that he was a serious candidate before he got hurt.
As do I.
Part of being the most valuable or best is being on the court and performing. Dirk’s been out/beat up for too many games to get the award, IMO.
I hope Derrick doesn't miss six whole games this season.
Then he’ll be ineligible for MVP.
by msquared10 on Jan 22, 2011 10:11 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Are you trying to be funny?
If so, not only have you failed, but your point is stupid.
We’re all talking about the MVP up until this point in the season, as thats where we are on the calendar. Dirk has played in 33/42 games, good for 78.5 percent of his team’s games. Extrapolate that to a full season and you have Dirk playing just 64/82 games. Furthermore, his knee is clearly still injured and he’ll likely miss even more games. If a player isn’t healthy for a solid chunk of the year, that should be held against his MVP bid.
Derrick, meanwhile, has missed just one game.
But good point, though.
A better way to put it....
is to assume he’ll only miss what he has already…. so assume his total games played will be 73/82…. in my mind that doesn’t disqualify him for MVP…. now if he misses another 9 games, then sure, he’s probably disqualified.
Ya know, even though I totally disagree with Dwyer
(at least his reasoning), I really don’t want Derrick to win MVP. If we’re all honest with ourselves, he’s had a GREAT year, but and MVP year? I’m not so sure.
I’m well aware there really isn’t anyone that’s having a much better season than him, which is why it’s silly not include him as a viable candidate for MVP; but the player that wins the award, particularly if it’s Rose, will be one of those guys that’s looked at with a jaundiced eye for a long time.
Winning it will be more of a weight dragging Rose down, than an honor. Peopleeople will constantly question whether he’s truly worthy. It will lead to more criticism, and more people picking apart every aspect of his game.
Now, he can totally explode in the next couple years and become a Lebron, Wade style beast, thereby proving after the fact that there’s no question he was worthy, and personally I think that will happen; but I guess I’d rather just wait til that time comes, as opposed to seeing him get it now when it would obviously be a very controversial decision. Idk, is that a stupid way of looking at it?
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 20, 2011 3:20 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Meh, if he's earned it, he's earned it. You don't get too many chances to be MVP.
Look at CP3, he was clearly MVP a few years back but didnt win and hasnt come close to winning it since cuz his teams havent excelled.
If Rose is performing at a high level and has his team in a great position then he has earned it. You’d think that by now people would learn not to doubt Rose or worry about awards being a weight upon him. He has shown resilience. People will always question Rose and if Steve Nash can win it then why not Rose?
by Playboy_BullV on Jan 20, 2011 6:16 AM CST up reply actions
Rose winning the MVP would probably be on par with when Nash won his
He’d win it for the story more than the actual production which doesn’t stack up to a handful of other players in the NBA.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
u act like Nash's numbers dont back up the award at all
id rather say his impressive numbers + story
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on Jan 21, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
His numbers, while impressive, weren't the best when compared to other players each year he won
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
his scoring was not up to par, sure
every other stat he was dominant.
I would guess, he had a hand in the highest percentage of points for his team.
While shooting historic numbers for a guard. The fact that he didnt deserve it is a myth started by Simmons.
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
I think it has more to do with the fact that he doesn't play defense
and that Kobe Bryant was leading a very mediocre team to the playoffs and playing better basketball than any wing player has since MJ. It’s not so much that Nash didn’t deserve two MVPs, just that Kobe sure as hell deserved one of them far more.
Nash was more efficient than Rose, but
also a weak defender.
Kobe’s team didn’t do well enough for him to win either of Nash’s years. Nowitzki maybe should have won over Nash one of those years, though. Actually, Nash also had great stats the year Nowitzki won, so they arguably could have switched years.
i think that makes sense
and not that i think Rose is the type to just sit back and be satisfied, but i’d rather see him snubbed for the sake of working even harder on his game. the drawing-fouls thing is coming along, and if he can refine the post game he was trying to unleash on Augustin, hot damn. then he really could be a no-doubt MVP down the road.
Would Rose really give a crap what random people think about his award?
Plus, 12 months after he gets it just about everyone will forget anyways.
I think youre trying to deny your homerism
and to say:
Winning it will be more of a weight dragging Rose down, than an honor. Peoplewill constantly question whether he’s truly worthy. It will lead to more criticism, and more people picking apart every aspect of his game.
is ridiculous. Give the man some respect, he is a strong candidate for MVP and I could care less what jack ass pundits say, and you know who cares less? D.Rose I dont see him in post game conferences complaining about his TS% and how he needs more help.
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Jan 21, 2011 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Implying Rose has carried this team to its record is a load of crap
This team has the best defense in the NBA. That has been far more of a factor in the team’s success than Rose.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
take out rose we are prolly one of the worst teams in the league
Headbands not allowed
by ALmighty1080 on Jan 21, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
Take out Rose and assume they become the worst offense in the NBA, that still leaves them as a .500 team
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Wrong
We would be the Cavs.
If we had Boozer and Noah healthy, yes we would be around 40 wins
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
So, you're saying, without Rose this team slips to league bottom in defense?
Because, to be as bad as the Cavs the defense would have to completely fall apart. The Cavs have the worst offense in the NBA and the second worst defense.
Let’s assume the Bulls slip to the Cavs level offensively, that has them scoring 99.9 pts/100 possessions. Currently, the Bulls are allowing 99.8 pts/100 possessions. That is a .500 team.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Without Rose the defense gets worse
CJ guarding pts for 35 minutes? Disaster
What was the Cavs D with Lebron? Near Elite.
maybe not as bad as the Cavs, but yes struggle to win 35
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
CJ Watson is not a terrible defender
This would still be one of the top defensive teams in the league. If anything they would resemble a slightly better current Milwaukee Bucks team.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S.; Working feverishly to get a Sensodyne Toothpaste Dispenser next to Derrick Rose's Skittles Machine. He's going to need it!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 21, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
LeBron's a much greater defensive force than Rose
The Cavs also lost Ilgauskas and a great defensive coach in Mike Brown as well as missing Anderson Verajao most of the year. This team would not fall from best to worst in the NBA defensively without Rose.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Don't take it too serious
VDN just made number 5 for COY in another list:
http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/Awards-110119/nba-awards-watch
Did you vote for the ASG today?
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 20, 2011 10:19 AM CST reply actions
Maurice Brooks is a retard.
I generally like ESPN’s basketball columnists, but that guy is either really, incredibly dumb, or he writes up those Awards updates in like 45 seconds each week. Either way, he should’nt be employed by a major sports publisher.
Clippers are a better match for him..
It’s not totally ridiulous to say he has done a good job in LA, even if he was over his head in CHI. Apples to oranges, there, IMO.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jan 25, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions
Really?
Vinny’s Clippers are on pace to win just 3 more games than they won last season, and that’s with a season of Blake Griffin, some fresh young talent and a huge step forward by Eric Gordon. Vinny sucks
Yeah.. I still think so..
they started 5-21, but are 12-5 since, including wins over the bulls.the heat, the lakers, and the Nuggets. It’s not out of the question for this team to go 23-16 from here on out and win 40 games.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jan 25, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Still don't see how that's Vinny's fault.
I think it’s more about Griffin being a beast, Eric Gordon enjoying his post-Team-USA bump, and Baron Davis coming back from injury and actually being energized. Oh, and DeAndre Jordan playing much better defense at center than Kaman did.
I'm not sure I believe this to be true
However, to play devils advocate, Vinny’s specialty is supposed to be motivation. So you could attribute Baron Davis actually caring to Vinny’s coaching.
If you have to spend a paragraph explaining why someone (Rose) should be an MVP over someone else with superior numbers (i.e. Lebron)
usually he (Rose) doesn’t deserve it. Rose isn’t the best player in the league, and he’s not good enough where you can look at his leadership and say he deserves it over someone else.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 20, 2011 12:24 PM CST reply actions
i get what you're saying
but so far, don’t you have to spend a paragraph to explain any MVP choice right now? there isn’t a “hands down” guy yet. i’m doubtful that when the season is over Rose will be the choice, but as of now, he definitely deserves consideration. i’d probably give it to Dwight this year, though it’s worth noting that his team was struggling before the trades. you can’t deny that Rose has done the most with the least amount of help. really, Thibs has been his best sidekick thus far (Bogans aside).
How about this as a measure of MVPness
How many less wins would the team have if said player was injured for the season. Sans Rose, and given the other injuries, the Bulls would probably be as woeful as the Cavs. The only points they’d score would be technical fts for when teams triple team Boozer w/o the ball(on the rare instances Booze actually plays). Good arguments can be made for d12, cp3, and dirk(assuming he doesn’t get injured again) as well. I don’t think Lebron or Wade should be in this discussion at all. How can you say someone is the most valuable to their team when the other best player in the league is playing right next to them. The Lakers and Heat would still be better than .500 teams if one of their stars went down. The bulls would be in Nets/Cavs territory.
by RoseTyrusMancrush on Jan 20, 2011 1:07 PM CST reply actions
To me, you acknowledge all that should really matter
the other best player
If Wade and LeBron are in some order the two best players in the NBA, the better one should be acknowledged as such and not punished for being fortunate enough to play with the other.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
NO!
We HAVE to punish them for choosing to play together every chance we get!!!
by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 20, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
Im in no way saying that ose is better than wade/lebron
If the MVP was just about who is the best player MJ would have won every season he played w the Bulls. Nash has 2 MVPS, he hasn’t ever been close to the best player in the game.
by RoseTyrusMancrush on Jan 20, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Going by past precedent, LeBron shouldn't win the award
MVP hasn’t been about deciding who the best player in the game was in any given season. The award has been about which player had an extraordinary year and seemed to contribute the most to his team.
If you want to change what the award is given for, fine. But last time I checked Jordan doesn’t have 11 MVPs. I don’t think LeBron should be held to a different standard.
Yes he should have
My point is that the writers often don’t give the award to the best player. Rose clearly isn’t the best player in the league yet, but should still be one of the top, if not the top, candidate for MVP this year given the criteria the writers have used in the past.
by RoseTyrusMancrush on Jan 25, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
I get the point, and you're probably right.
But I’m torn on the criteria the writers use. Because of those Jordan non-MVPs, I generally believe that their criteria are stupid; the best, most impactful player in a season should get the MVP, not the player who creates the best “story.” It is unfair to guys like Jordan and LeBron that people get bored with their awesomeness.
On the other hand, I really want Rose to win the MVP this year.
MVP is about producing the most "value" on the court
Not about possibly producing the most if circumstances were different.
LeBron and Wade on the same team means they each produce less value because they don’t have to go all out every night.
Nash had STAT
when he won his MVPs. I just dont think Lebron putting on an MVP type season. His numbers are slightly lower than his Cavs years, when he won his MVPs and I dont see the Heat imploding if they lost lebron but Wade and Bosh are healthy in the way the Cavs have without Lebron. If the MVP was awarded midseason, then Id have to say the top 3 would be Rose, Howard, STAT. I’d rather wait and see how the season plays out and decide, but say Rose isn’t in the discussion is ludicrous.
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
by Rex Grossman on Jan 21, 2011 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
My favorite thing to read about the Knicks....
even though the Bulls haven’t beat them, the Blls are still obviously better and the Knicks suck. But if they Bulls beat the Lakers, then that’s cuz the Lakers aren’t really that good, and the Bulls are actually totally awesome.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jan 21, 2011 12:32 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Not saying the Bulls are better than the Lakers, but Knicks do kinda suck
22-19 with a crap strength of schedule (.483). Their offense is only 9th in schedule-adjusted offense and their defense is 24th. By contrast the Bulls are the number 1 defense by a wide margin and number 21 in offense.
Kelly Dwyer also has articles like these
Nets say ‘nyet’ to former Nets on their program cover
so fuck him
I remember once former Bull Dave Corzine staring at a stat sheet after a loss when he had one rebound and Michael Jordan offering, "One more rebound than a dead man."
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:11 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:12 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It all comes down to your definition of what MVP is.
If it’s “The best player in the league”, LeBron should just win it every year. Jordan would have won it every year.
To me, most valuable player means just that. You gotta think of a really great team in the league and assume they would flat out suck without that MVP. Rose may not have stats comparable to previous MVPs or what not but as it stands, among the top teams in the league, Rose and Dirk are clearly the favorites.
Dallas without Dirk is just pathetic (as we just witnessed). Chicago without Derrick would most likely be pathetic. He’s single-handedly kept this team amongst the best (record-wise) without Boozer or Noah for most the year. Take Wade or LeBron off Miami and I still think they’re a bit above average. Take Amare off NY, they’d suck but its not as if they’re tearing it up now.
I want Derrick to win it badly. I want him to be the youngest MVP ever. I want him to be recognized as the next great force of the NBA at such a young age. I want people to mention “MVP” when they mention his name. I want him to continue with the accolades. ROY onto All Star onto Olympic gold medalist and onto MVP. The kid is on a rampage. While we’re at it, I want him to win MIP as well. Nothing in the rule book says you can’t win both
by Option27 on Jan 22, 2011 5:13 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Wow, you must REALLY want him to be MVP!
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by kingles on Jan 22, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I guess you want him to win 9 MVP's for his career
A bit low, but admirable nonetheless.
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by Prevenge on Jan 23, 2011 3:29 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
and MIP 9 times
Which is a bit more impressive
by tuluse on Jan 23, 2011 3:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
By the ninth time I expect him to be averaging 50/16/24 on 60% shooting.
Ceiling? :)
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by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jan 23, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
I really came in here expecting to see a rampaging debate
but I guess this settles it.
by Basketball Smurf on Jan 25, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions
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