Bobcats 96, Bulls 91: Another slow start, another comeback, but this time it doesn't hold
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2011 9:52 PM CST
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| Pace | Eff | eFG | FT/FG | OREB% | TOr | |
| Chicago | 89.0 | 102.2 | 50.0% | 30.0 | 11.8 | 13.5 |
| Charlotte | 107.9 | 46.9% | 24.7 | 18.2 | 7.9 |
The Bobcats have been playing better under interim coach Paul Silas, or perhaps more accurately under 'not Larry Brown'. They've run a bit more (though not tonight so much), and at least from what I saw tonight there's little structure to the offense. Nearly every player on the Bobcats poses a unique matchup challenge for the opponent, and there's a lot of one-on-one play (with some simple pick/roll) to try and exploit that. What keeps them from being a better offensive team isn't so much the ability to get one's shot off, but those shots, like, not going in.
But they made enough tonight, streaky as it was, and usually with a high degree of difficulty. Stephen Jackson scored several tough buckets late isolated on Luol Deng (who had a great game himself), and combined with a prayer of a reverse layup from Tyrus Thomas was enough offensively.
At 6 minutes remaining and Derrick Rose re-entering the game with the score tied, It had looked like the Bulls were going to earn another win late after spending most of the game catching up. They once again started out slow, down 17 at one point in the first half, and while Keith Bogans was also part of a 3rd quarter lineup that helped the Bulls come back...Keith Bogans is useless and shouldn't be playing (obligatory!). His awfulness, allowing the Bobcats to simply not guard him, was expected. What wasn't expected was not only Boris Diaw stretching out the Bulls bigs into a mismatch on the perimeter, but his starting frontcourt partner Kwame Brown getting lots of early touches and converting, and had 10 points in that first quarter.
From Diaw to Jackson to Wallace to Tyrus, the Bobcats present individual problems that should be compensated for by the excellent Bulls team defense, but many rotations were late tonight, including on DJ Augustin after he had beaten Derrick Rose off the dribble. Augustin may be the biggest benefactor of the post-Brown era simply by being allowed to stay on the court: his size will always be a limitation (and Rose especially is always beastly against him) but he's quick and can shoot.
And where the Bulls defense failed to protect Rose (Boozer through sloth, Kurt Thomas through age, and Taj through fouls), the Bobcats were more effective sending help aggressively at the Bulls star, and the expected Rose take-over time was not to be. The Bobcats kept him and Boozer from dominating the 4th, and you'd then see some shots of the 'Cats impossibly go in, and then other times not hit the rim. Maybe Tyrus Thomas was meant for this team, even moreso the Paul Silas version: he started off terribly from the field, managed to need 14 shots (and a lot of them jumpers while not set) for his 17 points, but he stayed out on the floor, rebounded like crazy, and and was never shy and didn't hesitate at all on his late game attempt. It was also a 'bad' shot, I suppose, but it was at least close to the basket, and it went in.
That can happen, which is why it's usually nice to not need a comeback to have the game close in the first place.
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All I can say is that I'm happy I had class tonight.
Games like this drive me insane.
KCJHoop
It’s obvious Thibodeau doesn’t trust him. RT @nithkrish: @KCJHoop KC why does James Johnson never ever ever play? less than a minute ago via TweetDeck
But he seems to trust Boga...I give up.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 12, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Thibs doesn't trust him we need to trade him for something
There has to be a 2 guard out there that can be had for James Johnson that is an upgrade over Bogans. Anthony Parker? Anyone?
cuz he can come back and destroy us like tyrus did!
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
I'm sure they want to
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by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 5:51 AM CST up reply actions
He doesn't make much
And at that price, you aren’t going to find a free agent you trust much either. Trusted or not, he still has more potential than almost any FA we could have got at that price, and with his size and athleticism, you can assume someone would take him back in a trade. It’s not like he has no value.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 13, 2011 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Aren't Bogans and Thomas that cheap?
Weren’t they free agents?
Aren’t they trusted?
All those being “yes,” I have no idea what you’re talking about in that first sentence.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Kurt Thomas wasn't trusted..
He’s only on the court now because Noah got hurt, Scalabrine was playing ahead of him. Keith Bogans should be a perfect example of a guy you shouldn’t trust at that price, Thibs is just being a jackass. And it’s not like they aren’t trying to trade for a SG, clearly they aren’t that happy with him either.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 13, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, Scalabrine was trusted at that price.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
we suck
ot
clips are destryoing the heat
in the first quarter
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
The one thing that doesn't make sense to me
Is the team has played without energy in the first quarter lately. Minus Noah, Brewer is the best energy player we have. Wouldn’t it make sense to at least give him a shot at starting, even if you still want to give Bogans his 15 minutes?
At least that fucking tool Westbrook missed a triple double by 2 boards tonight
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Why is Westbrook a tool? Is he like Rondo personality-wise?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01/11/when-does-stat-grubbing-go-too-far/
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
thnx
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
hmmm...
I dunno. Seems like an isolated incident. Until people start making it sound like 17-10-10 is significantly better than 17-10-9, I can’t begrudge a player doing it once. If were in base 12 number system, or people were smarter, I don’t think Westbrook does that. I think Rondo does it no matter what, time and again.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree
it was his first tripled-double. He just got carried away.
Did you vote for the ASG today?
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
but seriously i mentioned in the game thread
we play like shit ever since we started wearing the black jerseys
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
what does
delonte west banging the the life out of gloria james have to do with basketball?
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
How is that on the same level as the style of uniforms?
If you just took my comment as a blanket statement to all things outside of the court you were mistaken.
it was a joke
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
I want the Bulls to get a new SG as much as anyone.
But I’m starting to think that the Bulls simply don’t have valuable enough trade assets to bring in a quality SG.
I suppose starting Brewer or Korver over Bogans would help the defense and offense, respectively. And, obviously having Noah out hurts. But, it’s becoming increasingly obvious that the offense as it is now is completely dependent on Rose or Boozer creating. If the Bulls are going to compete against the better teams (and the not-so-good teams tonight, eh?) in the playoffs, they are going to need an additional player to create some offense.
What were you thinking earlier
Starting to think….?
Bulls have valuable assets, but they aren’t trading Rose, we aren’t trading Boozer….
Deng’s pricey, though could be traded, but why would you trade Deng for Stephen Jackson or JR Smith?
Of the rest of them, we don’t have too many high contracts to make dollars matchup.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
I would trade Deng for Jack
or for Jr Smith and another player from Denver
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
I am beginning to think you would trade Deng for a bucket of basketballs
Why would you trade Deng for Jackson who is older, just as expensive, less efficient, and a worse defender?
Plus, trading for those two guys just creates a hole at 3 instead of at 2.
Where's the upgrade there
I know in 1 less year we’d get out of Deng’s contract, but our team is rolling a bit (even after the loss yesterday). But why? SJax is not an upgrade, he’s quite a bit older, more of a chucker, and well he can be a coach killer…..
And JR Smith one is just funny. Smith for Deng and garbage? Look at us drop back to .500.
Smith can get hot and win us a game we’d have no business winning (without Luol that is), but he can be awful and cost us more games we would have no business losing.
Smith looks better because he’s had guys like Melo, Nene, and for a while Billups who are more consistent, so his high/low output looks great because it can be a nice piece when they need a jolt.
Smith for Deng is a clear win for the Nuggets. We don’t need that route, Deng’s not that bad.
Deng’s good, his contract sucks, and he can disappear, which is frustrating mostly because his contract sucks. Oh well, we won’t be better trading just Deng and don’t haev enough cheap pieces that are good enough that we’d trade to make it worthwhile to trade him.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
I only saw the 1st half and the last 3 minutes.
Did tyrus travel on that layup or was it legit?
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
i think it was a travel
but they dont calls those ever
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I thought too
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by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 5:52 AM CST up reply actions
I thought the layup was legit
but eh
also, he almost fell down when he swung that happy punch afterwards, which I thought was hilarious
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Here is something funny
Some dumbass knick fan i talked to said our D was sad…haha
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
WaddleandSilvy Waddle and Silvy
It’s one thing to stumble in an NBA season and lose to NJ, Philly, and Charlotte….but in the SAME week??? Great teams don’t.
I didn’t realize those three losses came in a weeks time. Yeah, that does suck.
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
I want Waddle and Silvy to interview Thibs again...
Tomorrow. I imagine their filter for asking questions would be completely gone.
Maybe for Silvy,
but Tom never asked a tough question in his life. Truth be told, I don’t even listen to those two clowns anymore.
I don't listen on a regular basis.
But yeah, they’re typical radio personalities.
Who do you listen to?
Or do you just not listen to sports radio? I think they are the best in the city.
I'm not a big fan of Sports Radio in this city.
However, I like the personalities on B&B. As odd as it sounds, I really like Jason Goff. He’s not exceptionally brilliant or anything, but he’s the only radio guy in the city that seems to know baskteball, and thats pretty much all I care about these days. If Dan Bernstein wasn’t so into “You’re not the Heat so why even bother,” I’d listen even more.
When I was into their little shtick, I liked Waddle and Silvy, and if I want an occasional laugh I tune in, but there’s no substance on that show. Don’t even get me started on that Afternoon Saloon. Teinowits is the worst of the worst. How he’s a comedian is beyond me. I’ve never heard that pufferfish crack a quality joke. Ever.
Mac and Spiegs are just queer. They’re always talking about weird shit and singing awful parodies. Not my taste.
lol, I wonder if they realize how incredibly lame those song parodies are. I can't stand that show
I actually like B & B too. I find them much easier to take in small doses. And I have to remind myself sometimes to not care about their opinions which they are obviously just using to get people riled up. That show can be truly hilarious at times
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
I used to listen to the Score religiously, not anymore
Mully and Hanley are awful. Spiegs and McNeil the same. I like B&B, and think they are probably the two smartest radio guys in the city but I get tired of them just insulting the callers, their show turns into them proving how much smarter they are than everyone else.
Waddle and Silvy are my favorite local show. I think they are funny and Silvy is a huge Bulls fan. Afternoon Saloon is unlistenable. I also really like the SVP show. To me that is the best sportsradio show out there right now.
by JSB on Jan 12, 2011 11:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I hate B&B with a passion
The Titanic is always sinking 24/7 365 days a year with them. And their annoying whiny voices make it even worse. The Cubs could win the World Series and they’d be bitching the next day that Zambrano walked too many batters.
yeah i can't stand them
Doesn’t seem very moral to me. Might as well take Satan’s autograph while you’re at it. - N.C.
they arent fans
professional assholes
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
I enjoy their ripping of the less intelligent fans..
It’s almost all tongue in cheek. Good times. I’ve had about enough of Hub Arkush though.
by Grinder in Training on Jan 13, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I like Silvy a lot
I don’t recall Waddle ever actually having an opinion, and I personally find his personality kind of grating. I think the show is pretty good by sports talk radio standards
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
His voice has never really bugged me
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
They don't have any substance - it's true
And if you listen to Waddle, it’s like he’s trying to fill up as much time as possible with every sentence he says. He adds “If you ask me” and “and I’m not saying that” and “but let’s be clear here” and “Listen, there are many other people smarter than me” to every-single-sentence-he-says. It’s like he’s trying to take care of the 4 hour running time all in one point.
lol, so true
That’s exactly what I dislike about him. He stretches the shit out of everything he says, and there is absolutely zero substance behind it. Which would be fine here and there, but it’s basically every gd sentence that comes out of his mouth
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 13, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think pound for pound
Lawrence Holmes is the best on air talent in local sports radio.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
You have to be fucking smoking crack.. or you are Lawrence Holmes.
by SoulEater7 on Jan 13, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Lawrence is great
And knows what the hell he’s talking about
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Lawrence Holmes tries waaaaay too hard
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 13, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
I dunno, We've played so many games in such a short period of time
that it felt like longer ago than it actually was, I guess
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:40 PM CST up reply actions
it's not news that the Bulls aren't great WITHOUT JOAKIM NOAH
c’mon!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
They're not great with Joakim Noah.
Great is overused these days.
I agree with that too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ok I'm am taking out the emotion I feel for this team and putting it in a jar.
Thibs has hijacked the Chicago Bulls and won’t let us have any fun. It’s clear what his goal is. It’s to stay a few games behind Boston. Fuck him I know what he’s doing. (Sarcasm)
When does Noah come back?
We miss him badly right now. And GarPax have to burn up the phones to find us a 2 guard. Trade the Charlotte pick. It’s not a guaranteed superstar, and we need help now.
Yup.
If he comes back the first game after the All-Star break, he would have missed another 16 games (20 if thru the end of Feb).
March starts off like this:
Wed 02 @ Atlanta
Fri 04 @ Orlando
Sun 06 @ Miami
Mon 07 vs New Orleans
Please let him be back by then!
Has there been any sort of update though
I know that was the original prognosis, but I thougth there was a report last week that he’d be getting the cast off early and probably sometime this week….
I haven’t heard more and wonder if he’ll pull a Hinrich and come back a month plus ahead of time (i can hope).
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
That was my question
I knew that he was originally out 10-12 weeks, not sure if he might be coming back sooner.
put him in a cast and get his ass out there!!!!
At 2-guard…..hehe
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
he probably dribbles better than most of our 2's and 3's
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
After he made that big lyup, he had the most violent celebration I've ever seen
You guys know what I’m talking about? It looked like his arm was gonna fly off his body. Immediately joined the list of players I hate on that play. It’s a BIG list.
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
yeah it looked like he was going to trip
I loved it though (not the context as much), he’s my guy.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 12, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
I mean, how can you not love a guy who almost falls on his face while celebrating his own shot?
I guess when that shot beats you you’re a bit less thrilled about it, but it was especially nice hearing Neil rip into Tyrus for the first half of the game, and then Tyrus having that shot. … I hate Funk so much. Soooooo much.
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by Prevenge on Jan 13, 2011 1:27 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
meh
maybe he was excited because he shot a shameful airball 1 minute earlier
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by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 6:00 AM CST up reply actions
Still bugged the hell out of me, no matter the reasoning
Although I have to admit, another part of me was happy because Funk started picking at him early in the game.
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 13, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
How many games did it take until Ty finally went off on us
About 7 or 8??
(Sing song)...Everybody Hates Rondo...
If he's dumb
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Chalmers has always done a good job on Rose, not sure I see the point...
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
Well, that's a lot different than having him guard one of the fastest point guards in the league
I can see him playing some center if they’re going small or something
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
For like 5 plays
and it didn’t go over that well. Even Lebron said it was something he shouldn’t be doing for more than a play or two. A couple plays is fine, obviously. I thought you meant the whole game. Which would be incredibly stupid
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
I would be Wade just does it.
Especially as no one needs to guard Bogans. Unless you think Wade will guard Deng? That’s a big size advantage for Deng.
Um, no?
Do you ever think before you type?
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jan 12, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not all game
Only when (if) Rose catch fires
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by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 6:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'm surprised CHA's efficiency was that high
given their subpar numbers in FG%, OReb%, and FT/FG. Just shows how important it is to limit turnovers. CHA did a great job protecting the ball tonight
Rose before hoes
Augustine impressed the shit out of me
He had a great mix of scoring and playmaking going on. I don’t think there’s been one game this year where I felt like the pg matchup was so clearly to the other team’s advantage. Westbrook had a decent game. Maybe there was one or two others, but you rarely see a guy completely outplay Rose like that. Definitely just an off night for Derrick, but I’m impressed with Augustine nonetheless. Plus I like his demeanor, he wasn’t acting like an ass after he made plays
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
Did you see Westbrook missed a triple double by 2 boards tonight
Surprised he wasn’t stealing them from his bigs at the end of the game. Loser.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Yeah, Westbrook is dead to me after that nonsense
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
augustin got lucky
i have him on my fantasy team.
hes been pretty terrible lately and i didnt play him tonight cuz i figured drose would rip him a new one but hey guess what happened
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
I think the interior defense had a lot to do with it
Augustine kept blowing by Rose but Boozer and Kurt were consistently late on their help defense. Meanwhile CHA’s bigs closed out on Rose’s drives and blocked his shot five times
Rose before hoes
by Bullsfan7210 on Jan 12, 2011 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but it's not like he was getting tons of points in the paint
He had a few nice drives, but he hit a lot of big shots, and set his teammates up beautifully.
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 11:12 PM CST up reply actions
He had a fantastic all-around game
but I was making a comparison to Rose, who tried to do everything off of drives to the basket. DJ seemed to score with ease as he was 3-4 in the paint and got to the line a few times attacking the basket. Yet Rose was 5-15 in the paint with five shots blocked. And I think a lot of that had to do with team defense (no Rose fault!). But yeah, DJ outplayed Rose in about every respect, especially in setting up his mates and protecting the ball
Rose before hoes
by Bullsfan7210 on Jan 13, 2011 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
well DJ has tyrus and gerald who are good shot blockers to back him up
we got 2 guys who cant really get off the ground in boozer and kurt. there were a few times when rose looked pissed at boozer for not stepping in front of DJ. we really dont have any athletic players in our frontcourt which blows. i miss having tyrus back there to block shots. taj does a decent job but he fouls a ton
Kwame Brown got his rocks off and was + 8.
Lu was -10. How did that happen I thought he played well?
+- is crazily noisy over individual games?
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prolly cuz he played over the majority of the 17 point deficit
i believe korver was in when we took a 4 or 5 point lead
A missed shot is less harmful than a TO, that's true.
Never thought about that, makes sense, though. You can get a rebound.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
thats dumb
By that logic a TO isn’t as bad either because you can still steal the ball back
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No.
Teams on average get over 25% of their missed shots back on offensive rebounds. Turnovers end possession 100% of the time.
Rose before hoes
by Bullsfan7210 on Jan 13, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
yep
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
sort of...
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by paddyfairview on Jan 13, 2011 3:48 AM CST up reply actions
I liked this quote from Lu:
“I think we’re winning so many games that we’re starting to relax a little bit and we can’t do that,” Deng said. “I think before we didn’t really know how good we could be. We knew we had potential and we were coming out and playing hard and right now we’ve got a good record and we’re kind of relaxing a little bit. We can’t do that. To get to where we want to get to we got to keep playing like … every game matters. We got to play; don’t even think about the record and just play basketball. This is the NBA. And guys can play.”
I think this really is the problem. They’re trying to coast a little like you see the real good teams do. Teams like Boston, Miami, LA can just hang with opponents for the first couple quarters, then turn on the jets in the third and put the game away. The problem is, the Bulls aren’t quite at that level yet. Especially without Joakim Noah, and ESPECIALLY with Keith Bogans getting minutes
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 12, 2011 11:11 PM CST reply actions 8 recs
This is pretty much my feelings as well
I’m not going to start REALLY paying attention to this team until a month before the playoffs
by Stacey_Is_King on Jan 12, 2011 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
If you told me Boozer was going to miss 2 months and Noah was going to miss 10 weeks, I would have been ecstatic with 25-13. I think the expectations have somewhat been raised with this team because of the good start, and that’s a good thing. But we shouldn’t lose track of the fact that we haven’t been healthy yet and we aren’t a finished product. I can’t wait to see this team with Noah, Boozer and (please god!) a legitimate starting 2 guard.
by JSB on Jan 12, 2011 11:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Hey your back ...I thought you were leaving?
by rick_ross on Jan 12, 2011 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FOR THREE YEARS
C’mon SoulEater, man up and drive that car into the river
The Miami Heat: Like ants and a magnifying glass. ... OH NO! CHRIS BOSH’S BEAUTIFUL FACE!!!!!!!!
by Prevenge on Jan 13, 2011 1:29 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I don't buy that for a second.
The Bulls lost to Philly and New Jersey this past week. It’s one thing for cockiness to hit you once in a while, but not in a cluster like this.
Plus, the Bulls are nowhere near that level yet. Champions get to coast, not teams like this. You think the Hawks and Thunder are blaming losses on Coasting? The Bulls are in that group, not the BOS/LAL/SAS/ORL group. Not yet, at least.
He should have just said they sucked tonight, because that’s really what it was.
by dakoose on Jan 13, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, but it's not like he was using it as an excuse and brushing off the losses
He’s saying they were coasting, but they couldn’t do it. He acknowledged that it was a big problem
Until Keith Bogans is taken out of the starting lineup, it's: Tommy Del Thibo
by Juiceboxjerry on Jan 13, 2011 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I think he's lying.
He just doesn’t want to admit why they’re losing. Kurt and Bogans suck, Booz can’t play D and Thibs’ rotations are retarded. But he can’t say that, so he just throws out basketball cliches.
Maybe he's protecting Bogans and Thibs.
Has to be an explanation for starting slow. That’s as good as any.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's probably what it is.
I don’t buy that this team is in “coast against bad teams mode.” They can’t possibly think they’re good enough to do so, especially after their last two pathetic losses. Lu is clearly just making shit up here.
Wow Lu
Sounds like a captain….never thought I’d hear it from him.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
happy bday
Did you vote for the ASG today?
by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 6:03 AM CST up reply actions
This game was assy. I blame the black jerseys
First game they wore them we lose Noah. Havnt won a road game since.
by Scala-three-ne on Jan 13, 2011 12:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
he meant he learned he needed surgery the night we pulled those stinking jerseys out
The ultimate fan experience is no longer courtside seats, it's Keith Bogan's job.
It's been a wierd day for the East Top 4
All (minus Boston) losing.
Veeeeery wierd…
How many 'good' 1st quarters have we had this year? 2? 3? Maybe.
We were down 12 at h-time. You can’t relax like that against any team, ok maybe against the Cavs and Wolves you can, but like Deng says, they are falling in love with the second half too much, and we see that pretty soon we are gonna be losing these kinds of games in bunches. I don’t know why the Bulls can’t just wake up earlier. Is the Penguin giving them a good pep talk before? Is he giving them enough Red Bull? Doesn’t seem like it!
Wow nobody said it! You just can't accept it can you?
Well, then I will say: Rose played like shit.
Sorry but it’s true.
Still love him, still our guy, still the best PG in the league. But last night was not his night.
Did you vote for the ASG today?
that could explain
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by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
his D was not good either
not at all
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by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, a lot of people mentioned Rose' off shooting night.
Rose’ offense isn’t a systemic problem and that’s why he get’s a semi pass in terms being allowed some leeway in the criticism department.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 13, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
weren't 3 half court shots...
factored into his shooting percentage?
The goal without Jo is to 3-5 games over .500.
If we can do that over 3 months, I’m fine with it.
Bulls record:
Without Boozer – 9-6. 60%. Key wins: Portland (I guess), Denver (Ugh) & Dallas. Notes: 4-3 on the Circus Trip. Held 2nd half leads in all of the losses. Oh and one loss (to Denver) during this stretch we didn’t have Rose. But CJ did his best Rose imitation. Almost got us the W. Thibs failed us.
Without Noah – 9-5 (so far). 64% (Rounded). Key wins: Philly, I suppose. 45 is 45, no? Well, maybe not. Considering you lose to them 2 weeks later. And Boston. I don’t want to hear they didn’t have KG, blah blah. They came into Chicago having won 4 in a row (including beating the Spurs, who gave up the night before against NY [Pop disagrees of course]….sounds familiar? What else do those coaches have in common?). Notes: The NBA has a lot of bad teams.
With NOAH & BOOZER – 7-2. 78% (Rounded). Key wins: OKC & Lakers. Notes: Joakim was playing with an injury during this entire stretch, we later learned. We were all upset that he had no rebounds in that ORL game but that was his first full game played after sustaining the injury to his thumb. Dwight likes to hurt our players too (Rose knows this all too well)? Jo wasn’t having none of that. Also the only 2 losses were during the first 2 games back with Boozer. He’s his old self again, even on defense.
by chicity773 on Jan 13, 2011 11:08 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
And with an integrated Boozer playing big minutes 7-0
Those first 2 Boozer games he played like 22 minutes of bad bball and the team didn’t even know how to use him at all yet. I know it hurt that they were against the C’s and the Magic, but we’d played better at least against the C’s in the first game with KG, I think that was just bad timing.
Now Orlando’s had our number since we blew them out in the first game of the post Salmons/Miller trade….so who knows.
But once they had a practice after 2 games of film, Boozer became a factor.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
your memory is good
hopefully the team finds itself healthy for the post season push.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
This Bogans thing is beyond stupid
The Bulls have been getting behind early in games. Bogans plays early in games and contributes nothing on either end of the floor. Hmmm… Isn’t it obvious that the coach should change the lineup to try to give the team more energy/skill/talent/etc at the start of each game?! Does Thibs not see the other team leaving Bogans wide open because they know he can’t score? Thibs is an imbecile.
Sam makes a pretty good case against Bogans...
Does this mean Gar Paxdorf is subtly trying to force Thibs hand?
Are you assuming that Smith is their mouthpiece?
It’s getting harder and harder to justify Bogans in the starting lineup. The slow starts cannot all be a coincidence.
I'm making this a Fan Shot.
Cool?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Interesting...
"I think I came out and I was like one for five, and he (coach Paul Silas) looked at me and said ‘Keep shooting,’" related Thomas, who suffered under former coach Larry Brown. "He’s going to do that as long as you do what you have to do on the defensive end and you play hard. He’s going to let you play ball as long as you learn from your mistakes and play smart. He’s just giving a lot of guys confidence.
I always wondered why the Bulls didn’t do the same thing. As long as he brought energy, blocked shots, and rebounded the basketball, who cared if Tyrus was rewarded on the other end with a few shots? He wasn’t a horrible shooter. If VDN plays him more in that Celtics series, I still think the Bulls win it.
Hey Rose. I don't see the appeal!
Tyrus screwed up his defensive assignments a lot here
Which is why Skiles wouldn’t play him.
I couldn’t begin to try to understand VDN’s though process.
VDN and the clippers are now what
12-13 after that abysmal start, with huge wins over good teams like the Spurs, the Bulls, the Nuggets, and the Heat…..
All the while having their veteran C on the shelf, and their PG out of shape, not caring for half the games.
I know Blake’s amazing (And EG is pretty darn good), but I think Vinny’s learning.
It's almost 2011 Bulls. Let's Get Grimy!!!
Thomas was a rookie with Skiles.
Screwing up defensive assignments. OH NOES!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He was a rookie on playoff team
Trying to win with players who don’t know what they are doing is hard.
OH NOES!!!
So I heard on The Score this morning that LeBron sprained his ankle last night in his first game after the "karma is a bitch" tweet?
if that’s true it’s not only pretty funny, but also helps our chances against them this Saturday.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 13, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions
Via David Haugh's Twitter
LeBron’s iffy ankle makes him questionable for clubbing Fri night in Chicago. Sat vs. Bulls at United Center another story
Damn, so instead it ends up hurting our chances...
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 13, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
haha
i’m sure an ankle aint gonna stop LBJ from going out clubbing. His talents and all that.
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
Excellent point, I think we know where his priorities lie
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jan 13, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Vinny coached his ass off last night
Fuck you Thibs
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
CJ watson 1-6 again
Make a damn shot. People here were saying he’s been playing well recently. What?
Again a bunch of no calls on Rose drives. Yeah the players were kinda going straight up, principle of verticality, blah, blah, but they were in the circle, and thats always a foul.
Missed call that took away basket from Asik, that was not a travel. (I’m fed up with him. Defensively he makes too many fouls, trying to take a charge, On O he can’t grab a rebound for his life)
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
seriously, I thought CJ was better than this. He's been pure garbage, liquid garbage
"I love you, mommy!" - Joakim Noah
everyone not named Rose is garbage for you
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by JustAnotherFan on Jan 13, 2011 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
Defense is the problem
for the slow starts, especially rhe last three games. I agree Bogans shouldn’t start, but the bad defense is not on him alone.
For some reason, it takes them a while to get a handle on an opponent and get consistent stops. This has happened much of the time all season.
by El Toro de Goro on Jan 13, 2011 2:07 PM CST reply actions
really i kinda think our offense is the main problem in the 1st
theres little movement, usually just boozer and rose doing a screen and roll and every1 else stands around. Bad shot goes up and fast break down the other end. TOs are a problem early in the game as well. Brewer or Korver would help smooth out these horrid starts
Assuming defense is the problem...
… some of that could be made up on offense. Bogans is terrible on offense so he is a problem on both ends of the floor. I agree that these slow starts are not all on Bogans, but jeez it’s obvious he is not an NBA starter and continuing to start him in the face of these bad first quarters makes zero sense.
Coasting = lame excuse
The problem is like any other time we have a slow start….everyone standing around watching Rose get double teamed and Boozer flanked. We need someone else to help out besides Boozer…we are NEVER going to get that from Deng on regular basis. Bogans is joke on offense.
We need a third serious threat. He’s not the solution, but Brewer can help. He’s certainly better than Bogans. Brewer does a better job getting Deng involved. Brewer also is better running mate with Rose on fast breaks. There’s NO QUESTION Brewer should be starting and getting as much minutes as Rose and Deng do.
Deng was actually pretty damn good against Charlotte
8-12, 22 points only 1 TO.
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