they wouldn’t be bad enough to build through draft, and likely can’t attract a major FA with max cap space (which they wouldn’t have even with Melo off the books anyway)

Take the Bulls package, move Billups for younger pieces and move Lawson to full-time PG.

At least until mid-December…

I actually agree that he’d be ideal for that lineup

If you have Melo, Rose, Boozer in the line up. Brewer makes a lot of sense with that group.

And players wanting rings can come to us for cheap!

Bagaric plays center, too!

Just collect the most talent and see what happens. With that being said, I wouldn’t trade Noah either. He’s simply too awesome.

As for making the trade if he won’t re-sign, I guess if I knew for sure that he was just a rental, I wouldn’t do it. Because we probably won’t win a ring next year and we’re not gonna be able to replace Deng (and Taj to some extent) the following year. But, if I was unsure, or it was 50/50 that he would sign, I’d take the risk and go for it.

if he gets traded here without the extension, hopefully we win enough and well enough to convince him that he could win here…

not only that, but the media, the attention would be on him…im not sure what other team could offer more.

If we arent winning with melo on our team…well that means melo wasnt the answer, and we continue forward….i like deng but i dont see how if melo doesnt work this team how deng would.

We can go into the tax ya know?

That’s patently false. To sign a player of Deng’s value at market value, we’d need $10 million+ in cap space. We won’t have that.

maybe im in the minority, but if they dont win this year…i think they are out, sure they may be in the playoffs and be competetive, but unless they get some great perimeter talent soon, i think its the end of the line after this year for them…

Rose, Noah, Boozer, Deng.. that’s a fair amount of money. You make Reinsdorf go into the luxury tax. A team with Melo and Rose is probably good enough to make it worth it for him to do so financially. He’d probably make more money by spending to win a championship in that in situation so he’d do it. He may be cheap, but he’s also a smart enough business man to know when it’s time to spend money.

that you dont remember what they were or where they were? So we should all definitely go search for them

I liked the Bullmelo. Can we get one of him dunking on LBJ?

Deng is good…..Rose/Boozer

and then while it’s trendy to say Noah, I’m not so sure it’s not Deng.

its so easy to become likeable in this league now that lebron has officially stamped himself as the villain of the league.
no longer can you hate a player for being a dirty or selfish because it just doesnt have the same passion as hating lebron

The fact we would give them Deng and Taj and draft picks? What Cleveland or Toronto wouldn’t give for that right now.

If they don’t feel like Deng’s contract is worth taking on without getting Noah, they might be better off just letting Melo walk.

because they hold his rights. Do I need to show you the collective bargaining agreement Mr. Heisley? Denver can choose where to move him and where not to move him. Denver will trade him for whoever is giving up the most. The onus is not on Denver to make sure that they trade him to a team that ‘Melo is willing to go to. What if Donald Sterling decides to trade Eric Gordon, Kaman, and a whole bunch of other assets for ’Melo because he’s crazy and thinks ‘Melo will sign there? Denver’s only job is to get as much as possible, IF they are set on trading him. They, have that right.

I also assume ‘Melo wants that extension, and if that’s the case, Denver has control over at least one thing. Like I said, if the Bulls want to TRADE for him, they are going to have to give up Noah because from what I understand, Denver wants to keep him. So, the Bulls would have to take an action to get them agree to a deal, or at least trump the offers of other teams that he’d be willing to sign with. And let’s be honest, are we certain that NY and Chicago are the ONLY destinations he’d be willing to accept? No offense to Mr. Spears or whoever at ESPN Chicago made up the rumor about Noah, but call me skeptical. And it’s not like Denver HAS to make a move right now. They can wait all the way up until June 30th if they want. I imagine that they will make a deal whenever they feel like they can get the most. Or if they wait too long, whenever they realize that they’ve been in denial, and that they have to get something. If the Bulls want to trade for ‘Melo before the season, it’ll probably take Noah.

And one more thing, I understand what happened with LeBron and Bosh, I wasn’t stuck in a cave for the past year, nor was I not following the NBA. Those two teams waited too long, and it passed the point where it became too late. It hasn’t reached that point for Denver yet.

Randolph and Azuibuike were acquired via trade

Overplay to the point of overkill and watch smart offenses rip you apart. Not entirely Melo’s fault since Dahntay Jones and JR Smith also took turns guarding him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2009/#stats_playoffs

But correct me if I’m wrong (and I’m not wrong).

KG 3 years ago is better than any Bull. Pierce was better than any Bull though we hope Derrick can replicate this year if he’s not there already (Pierce is slipping a bit)……

Miami (as I mentioned) has 2 players in Wade and Lebron better than any Bull could ever hope to be.

LA had Shaq which they turned into some depth and then swindled the Grizzlies for Pau in a move that is likely to not happen again seeing as there is still negative backlash in the league (Popovich again this year said something about that trade, even with Marc Gasol coming along and surprising everyone—I’m sure he even surprised Memphis seeing as he was what 80 lbs heavier than he is now…). Plus Kobe is better than any Bull.

I’m not against a superteam at all. I’d be fine having 3-4 guys eat up the entire cap and guarantee us close to min players, but I don’t think a Rose-Melo-Boozer with either hopefully a Noah or Deng is in the same league as a:

Kobe-Pau-Bynum-Odom-Artest or a
KG-Pierce-Allen-Rondo (esp the pre KG knee’s version, but even last year’s version, I think age will catch up).
Wade-Lebron-Bosh….

And that’s why I’d rather have the depth, because our depth with guys not as good as those superteams above is our best chance. We can’t compete with a big 4 at the same level as those above….our big 4 isn’t as good talent-wise.

The question is whether you can ensure a motivated Carmelo. I would think facing 3 guys from your draft class in the ECF would do the trick.

I like Noah more, but Nene is very good.

They have size all over the place.

Iverson was better than what we’ve had in place (even if I hate AI and think him overrated).

Billups is very solid.

I’m not saying take Melo off the Nuggs and we have more iwth Rose-Boozer-Noah, we do. But I think we have a better team with Rose-Noah-Boozer-Deng-Gibson-Korver-Watson-Asik-Charlotte pick option coming than what we have with a decimated future lineup that has a very good dont’ get me wrong big 3 of Rose-Boozer-Melo and maybe big 4 if we could keep Deng or likely if we kept any Noah, but that big 3 or 4 ain’t in Miami’s league, and thus we’re trying in this scenario to be like a Midwestern Miami, but without a big 3 at the same level, we aren’t likely to be as good.

At least now if the ducks align we might have something with a solid starting 5 (the depth at the 2 spot with Brewer/Watson/Korver makes up for the lack of a star there) and the solid 4 rotation of Boozer-Gibson, at least we have something that might compete with Miami.

We can’t beat Miami at it’s own game….which ultimately is what this Melo trade would do.

Right now we probably can’t beat Miami with all of our depth, but at least we’re offering a chance that depth might trump the big 3…..because we do have solid depth and potential 4 all star caliber team (Rose and Boozer are for sure a-s quality, Noah and Deng are always borderline if the team is good enough in the Rip Hamilton was a multiple all star mode).

I guess I didn’t interpret what you were saying correctly. But the Bulls are going to be an attractive destination for the MLEs of the world… behind Miami, but still a very strong option. Also, the (presumable) draft picks going out to Denver would certainly hurt our depth. For the next few years, we’ll still have Watson, Asik, Korver, though. Throw in an MLE and that isn’t the worst bench in the league.

Went over and re-signed Nate Robinson at more than market value, we’d do similar things. Resign guys like Korver, Brewer, Asik, Watson to fill out the bench. It won’t be a problem.

In any case, wouldn’t you rather worry about your 8th man than figuring out how you are going to get a star SF? I see no evidence of great teams having trouble filling out their rosters, nor have any reason to believe the Bulls wouldn’t be able to do it.

after Denver was knocked out of the playoffs.

I wouldn’t even do Noah for Melo straight up, let alone with other pieces included.

remove Noah and add Melo, and i really don’t know what the Bulls are anymore. Thibs’ defensive magic dust would have to become a reality. sure they’d have 3 good offensive players, but one needs the ball a lot (Melo). our rebounding and interior defense (which are supposed to be our strengths) take a pretty big hit. maybe LeBron has to work a little harder on the defensive end against us, but (and maybe this is already the case) that team would score at will on us, and we’d no longer have the benefit of owning the glass on a nightly basis.

it seems likely that this is the only way Denver will do a deal before the season starts. can’t blame them for trying.

so how is he Top-6 of all positions?

mean we should keep ours to have a real advantage over them? I imagine such a defensive plus would be really helpful.

How does Miami look on the defense side of the ball anyway, to you more observant basketball followers? Is it passable enough because their offense is so fearsome?

seriously, they’d have to do a 3-way where Deng brings back a big man…and i just don’t see how that would happen. not a knock on Deng, but who’s giving away a starting caliber center for him?

What if this is happening because they are starting to see that they’ll have a hard time extending him?

http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/24037490434

The Chicago Bulls offered Joakim Noah a five-year, $60 million extension two weeks ago.

(via Doug E. Fresh)

So I guess he turned that down?