Bulls Confidential scouts Omer Asik
I've seen a bit of Asik during this tournament and have been pretty encouraged. Doug at ChicagoNow has seen more, and provides such. Asik's Turkey team look poised to reach the final so there hopefully will be more of him to see.
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illegal screens and flops
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
I'm sure this has been posted somewhere
but just came across a nice Asik highlight video that looks recent.
Warning: he flops like a bitch
Despite all the optimistic scouting reports from good sources, I gotta say every time I watch his videos I come away unimpressed. Slow, lanky big men who don’t rebound aren’t effective in the NBA. If he were a 3 block/36 player, maybe he’d be an exception, but his arms don’t look freakishly long and he looks like he has almost no vertical. I just can’t imagine Dwyane Wade driving to the lane and thinking “oh crap, Omer Asik is there.” And that’s supposedly what Asik’s biggest strength should be.
So he's basically Brad Miller....
Without a good jumper and a bad 3 point shot.
Sounds good to me, replaced an aging and deteriorating backup center with a cheaper one full of potential.
Also, based on what I've seen/heard, I wouldn't say he's slow at all (for a center).
Pat Riley is the devil.
I agree. He doesn't look at all the athletic to me.
Everyone who has scouted him, though (DXpress, etc.) have called him athletic. He seems to have good hands and finishes well, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't know...
Scola has proven himself to be a good defender despite his complete lack of athleticism. Asik may have no vertical and no speed, but his feet don’t seem too bad and he obviously has great timing on his jumping. I am pretty excited to have him as a 10-14 minute a game guy, which is all we will need from him given our front our front court.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Sep 8, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Has he?
I think Scola is a bad defender. Last three years, the Rockets have a 105.1 drating when he’s on the court, 103.4 when he’s off. Throw in poor defensive box score stats and I figure his above average offense balances out his defense. At the very least, he hasn’t proven he’s a good defender, at least from what I’ve seen.
lol, he runs like he doesnt care. My turtle walks faster than his ass
by palmpre on Sep 7, 2010 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
i've always suspected you to be a turtle owner.
by obnoxious american on Sep 7, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
reminds me of Andris Biedrins
Good rebounder, good defender although not a great shotblocker, no offensive game to speak of but still can get points by moving without the ball and catching tough passes in traffic. And a terrible FT shooter.
Extremely
garbage from the charity stripe.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 7, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand why people call guys who can't shoot or do post moves "unskilled" on offense.
They say the same about Noah and it’s just not true. Noah is an excellent offensive player. Any guy who can dribble-drive from outside the 3-pt line (as both have done) is not a skill-less offensive player.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Sep 7, 2010 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
If one doesn’t have a refined post move(jump hook, drop step) or can’t shoot a proper J, most will call that player unskilled.
Do not insult Noah's jumper
He will destroy you with the whirling tornado of doom!!!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I know. I'm saying I think that's dumb.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Any guy who can dribble-drive from outside the 3-pt line (as both have done) is not a skill-less offensive player
Or run to the hoop against a flailing Paul Pierce on his ass. Think David Lee, STAT or any other post player can do that? Very few
David Lee has run some breaks.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Sep 8, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he does, but I don't feel he can dribble into free space like Noah
Almost everything else with the ball —> Lee. So, he’s got that going for him.
Just about anybody can dribble into free space...
That was obviously an awesome play, but let’s not kid ourselves into thinking Noah is anywhere near guys like David Lee and Amare Stoudemire in offensive ability.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I guess you missed the part after the title
Sometimes I half-ass reading comprehension as well.
by NittanyCub on Sep 8, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Noah is fine on offense,
but saying he is excellent offensively is hyperbole.
Furthermore, what constitutes skill? Most don’t associate defense with skill, rather hustle and want-to, so you can throw defense out of the skill conversation. Players can take better angles than others, etc, but it’s mostly about will. I associate skill with passing, shooting, dribbling and finishing around the rim. For his size, Jo can dribble and pass at a high level, but that’s only relative to other centers, so he isn’t necessarily very skilled, just more skilled than most of the plodding centers in the league.
Additionally, Noah’s ability to dribble drive from beyond the arch doesn’t come as a result of skill, rather he’s fairly fast and quick for a center. I’ve seen a crude crossover once or twice, but often he’s just too quick.
Anyway, Noah’s pretty damn good and the reason doesn’t really make a difference.
defense is far more than will
saying it’s just wany-to is hyperbole
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
There are other things involved,
but at the NBA level damn near everybody is gifted enough to play (at the very least) acceptable defense for at their respective positions. Do you not agree that 90% of NBA players are quick, strong, athletic, etc. enough to play quality defense?
no
just because they are all qicker and faster tha n us doesn’t make them able to defend. There’s also different types of quickness and speed. Ty awson and Derrick Rose are among the fastest in the league moving forward, but neithere has shown they’re even near as fast moving backwards.
there’s also “reaction”, which has nothing to do and want to and not as much to do w/ athletic ability. Your mind’s ability and speed to recognize what a shoulder lean or a hip movement means and translate that to a muscle counter-action is an incredibly unique skill that’s absolutely essential to being a good defender that you haven’t even considered.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Sep 8, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Conditioning
I don’t expect much from him in his first year as NBA pro, but after next year if he doesn’t gain some upper body mass then he’s going to be a waste. I think he has enough basketball skill, the question is going to be his conditioning and adaptability to NBA play style.
Apparently he's strong enough to handle Schortsanitis
If you don’t know who Schortsanitis is, he pretty much destroyed the US team back in the ’06 worlds. If Asik can match up with him, he can up with anybody from a bulk perspective.
Pat Riley is the devil.
poor Sofo. He was just too fat.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Upper body mass is the most overrated thing in basketball.
core mass and strength/stability and lower body strength are both way more important. Yao Ming is a perfect example. Sure, he can bench 350+ at this point, but the fact that he always had a thick mid & lower body (despite being skinny as a rail up top) helped him have a chance right away.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You can be as strong as you want,
but when you get into the paint if you don’t have some meat on your bones you’re going to get knocked around. It also depends on what position you play. Your point rings true for centers, but smaller players are different. Derrick benefits from a having a strong, broad upper body when he gets into the lane, as he takes contact but absorbs it while the opponent is knocked to the side. Is it THAT important? No, but it can really, really help.
Just from personal experience, I didn’t make my high school team as a sophomore but started in varsity as a junior and the only thing that changed is that I bulked up from 145 to 190, and I’m only 5"8. It definitely helps as a guard.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 8, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
great analogy.
I once played football. Does that have relevance?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's a stupid answer.
You don’t need to play professionally to know how weight lifting affects performance. From personal experience, putting on mass helped a ton.
And by the way, what is core “mass”? The best/strongest core won’t manifest itself significantly in terms of weight. I’ve been around sports training and weight-lifting for roughly 6 years now and have never heard anyone mention core mass. Core stability and core strength, on the other hand, are widely discussed.
havin your weight in your core and legsgives you a lower center of gravity
that’s important in just about any sport; probably not. I don’t know about body building
I won’t go into bonafides on athletics, but I definitely know more than you. You don’t have to believe it, but it is tre.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
But you can't have significant weight in your core,
no matter how hard you work. And for the specific position I spoke about, a slashing guard who gets in the line, most of the contact is well above the waist, so lower body weight isn’t as relevant. I admitted you were correct about centers, who don’t play up in the air is much as smaller guards do.
And as far as your last point, throwing around terms like core mass don’t make you sound too informed. You also equated leg strength and lower body size doesn’t help either. Either way, this isn’t a dick measuring contest, but I’m very, very content with my athletics knowledge.
Sorry, I meant senior year, don't know why I wrote junior.
Some of it was dirty(fat) weight, but I’ve fixed that by now. I’ve been 190 ever since. No steroids, just 3500 or so calories a day, lol.
I'm excited about Asik.
Mostly I like his ability to operate well in set plays and not just pick and rolls. He know his role, he’ll never take a shot outside of the paint which basically means he’ll never take a bad shot. He’s always looking to seal his man in the paint and get the ball low.
He’s a very specific tool that Thibs has on the bench, and if Thibs and Rose(or CJ Watson if Asik is paired with him more often) can learn to accentuate his talents, he’ll be a valuable player for the Bulls.
hes being paid barely over 1 million, if he sucks big deal.
He’ll be better than Aaron Gray. Boozer, Noah, Taj and Thomas will be getting most of the minutes at the 4 and 5 anyway. Asik will fill in untill he gets comfortable, as long as he has good hands and can catch the ball he’ll be fine. .
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