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Training camp roster battles, and what to do with James Johnson

As a reminder, your rotation:

Starters: Rose, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah
Bench: Korver, Gibson, Watson, Asik/Thomas*, Bogans

*figuring it'll be one or the other, depending on how Asik looks in camp.

That's basically everyone with a guaranteed contract (and James Johnson, but more on him later), and today Sham goes into extensive detail on the background of those invited to camp: Brian Scalabrine, John Lucas III, Roger Powell, Chris Richard, and Kyle Weaver. A good read if you're unfamiliar with any of them, including what Roger Powell has been up to since leaving Illinois.

Sham's guess is that Scalabrine and Lucas are the best bets to make the team, though only Lucas would be of any help (being a 3-point shooter who sortof has another skill as emergency PG, whereas Scal is not much of a shooter who has zero other skills). Aggrey Sam of CSNChicago agrees, citing the Thibodeau connection above anything, and confirmation that Thibodeau has been given leeway in the Org. and is using it.

Sham likes Weaver also as a backup (backup) wing, but it's a role that James "Jimmy Johns" Johnson currently has. But he interestingly notes that the Bulls could always send Johnson to the DLeague (as a 2nd year player he's eligible).

It's worth considering, as Johnson clearly needs development, and could he get it with the roster as packed as it is, and practice time during an NBA season being so sparse? The DLeague may not prove anything either, but if the Bulls had trust in the coaches there it could be a better shot to get Johnson to become a useable NBA player. As it stands now, he still has intriguing skills but a playoff team like the Bulls likely would rather have the safe choice off the deep bench, meaning while Kyle Weaver has proven to be merely a fringe NBA player, he'd at least know where to be on the court. If there was an injury to where minutes opened up and they'd rather roll the dice that Johnson has a better chance at real production, Johnson could always be recalled.

Unfortunately, I don't even think the Bulls are considering it as an option, given their spotty record with the DLeague. They did use it last year for some late season call-ups (including Richard), but one of their last 'relegated' players nearly got killed, and it's never been much of a relationship before or since.

Johnson is an interesting case this camp beyond his prospective playing time: it's possible that the Bulls decide not even to pick up his 3rd year contract option for the '11-'12 season. That seems a bit extreme, as even as a lost cause it'd only be ~$1.8m in salary, at the least useable in future trades.

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It never hit me that they might not pick up his 3rd year option.

Would it be that extreme?

I mean yeah, I don’t see what losing him for nothing does for them and they may be able to use that 1.8 million in future trades but is it worth holding up a roster spot for?

by Option27 on Sep 28, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

By the Light...

what a wasted pick. I thought he would be a bad ass because of the whole martial arts thing. Right.

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by Cap10_Kirk on Sep 28, 2010 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

In terms of the NFL

At least for Bronco fans, we always talk about watching the waiver wire from teams like Pittsburgh, New England, Baltimore—the elite teams. With Weaver being a casualty of the Thunder, who have one of the deepest crops of talent in the NBA, I really like that pickup as a camp body.

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by Sayre Bedinger on Sep 28, 2010 8:52 PM CDT reply actions  

weaver is clearly the best of the invitees, i'd say

not that it matters much as 11th or 12th man

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by marionette on Sep 29, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

if you look at the ten most pressing questions when you click on Kyle Weavers name

He is ranked number 10. And they describe him as a Thabo clone. Also, i couldnt figure out why I couldnt link it here. Tips?

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by Rex Grossman on Sep 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

You'd only send him to the D-League if you think he's worth developing

If they’re really considering not picking up his 3rd year option, then they’ve probably already decided that he’s a bust and written him off.

by Big D on Sep 28, 2010 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Acie Law is in Memphis....

And should make the team…and I agree, he would have been a better invite than Lucas…

Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.

by Dionysus2.0 on Sep 28, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No idea why we didn't give him another go...

although Watson should definitely be an upgrade.

I guess I just answered my own question.

I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it

by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 29, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't we carry 3 point guards?

Actually a D-league team with Law and James Johnson might actually be fun to watch.

by tuluse on Sep 30, 2010 6:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kirk Thomas?

I like it hahaha

(from the sham article)

by ChiTownSportsMaster on Sep 28, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't pick up his option. I see no hope for him. No shame in that. Most players bust out, even after 2 years.

The problem with the D-League in Johnson, in my opinion, is similar to summer league: he’s too skilled to NOT be the “go-to” guy on the team, and in the Summer League and the D-League, he might get by with that. Unfortunately, that won’t help him in the NBA. He’s just not good enough to be even a poor-man’s Anthony, jack-of-all-scoring trades type of guy. He, like most players who aren’t all-around awesome, need to concentrate on one or two skills and try to excel at them. Korver, for example, doesn’t have half the athleticism or overall basketball skills that Johnson has, but he does one thing, and he does it great.

It’s probably too late considering his age (but Bruce Bowen and others have made the transition/choice) and what he’s seemed to concentrate on so far, but I think he’d be awesome as a defensive, physical, energy type SF/PF tweener who shoots the open three-pointer. He would never excel at being a lock-down defender or a great shooter, but I think he could at least be a solid rotation player.

Unfortunately, high-motor, defensive and rebounding skills aren’t part of Johnson’s repertoire, and it doesn’t look like he’s trying to add them… from what I’ve seen and read.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Sep 28, 2010 10:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Except he didn't dominate the summer league

So playing at that level might actually help him

by tuluse on Sep 28, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think theres any reason not to send him to the D-league

(in a sense agreeing with you) I just think theres no advantage, IF your not looking to use him in a particular trade (the rudy trade is looking like a rotting corpse at this point) I don’t see how having him ride the bench all season is going to improve him.

Get him to the D-league, get tape on him and if Thibs thinks he can turn him into some sort of NBA player, pick up his option and let Thibs give him a one year trial next year.

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by Rex Grossman on Sep 29, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

At the very best (being as the very least is that he just plain sucks), he dominates D-League for 3 months, the Bulls call him up for a few weeks, he continues to play well by some miracle, and he now has some trade value.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Sep 29, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want James Johnson participating in the Thibs led drills.

I don’t think the D-league coach runs the practice in the same way Thibs does. Plus, in the NBA he’ll learn to play a specific role, whether that’s wing defender or bench scoring or some other role. In the D-league he’ll be put in a position where he’ll be doing some of everything, focusing on nothing.

by JockstrapNoah on Sep 29, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

but isn't it a better chance he's a ball-hogging bench scorer?

trying to get him to be a specialist in the Thibs system seems far-fetched.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 29, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh, I think there's a good chance his natural role is ball-hogging bench scorer

But do we have any hope he’s going to be good at that? he’s not Jerry Stackhouse or Jamal Crawford. He’s on the darker side of bust right now, I’d rather a coaching staff tell him to accentuate what he’s good at, without asking him to handle the ball. If he can earn some minutes doing something useful, then maybe he can start to explore his offense.

Or another way of saying it is, in summer league, he had no limits, he tried to do everything, and he was awful. The D-League isn’t so different than summer league. He needs limits rather than a limitless platform to prove that he sucks.

by JockstrapNoah on Sep 29, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

absolutely agree

what they do with him doesn’t matter that much i think, he couldn’t really contribute last year he certainly can’t with this year’s deeper roster. even if he goes to the d-league and does good the bulls still figure not to be that kind of team that needs to call up.
of course if johnson really does a great nbdl stint then somebody desperate might want to trade for him, but realistically that trade wouldn’t net anything of value.

by grillo on Sep 30, 2010 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

Still can’t believe he won’t be a Cav next year.

by cubbybear on Sep 29, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

that was god awful team defense.

I don’t care who you are. Not very professional.

by SoulEater7 on Sep 29, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

James Johnson doesn't know the first thing about defense.

You don’t look the player in the eyes, you look at their chest.

Lebron is clearly sitting there like “look me in the eyes, and now I’m gone.”

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by dantheman3k on Sep 30, 2010 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I call bullshit

There is no way that you could determine what body part JJ is looking at from that camera angle.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Sep 30, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Varejao

completely bitches Noah out of the play

by Basketball on Sep 30, 2010 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Never should've traded Noce.

Teams without Chapu lost 1173 games during the 2009-'10 season.

by chapuforyou on Sep 29, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paxson didn't do lines of coke

he just wanted Noce to have the ability to afford doing lines of coke.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Sep 29, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

With him.

I mean, Paxson and Noce were doing coke together, but Noce had to drop out? Because he wasn’t making enough money and stuff.
I guess what I’m saying is that Paxson was doing coke, but it didn’t impair his judgment, just his priorities. Who can he overpay for that clandestine high? Do you know why we brought in Brian Scalabrine? … I don’t know the answer to either question.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Sep 29, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't believe that was our best option on LeBron...

I can;t believe that Vinny would strand JJ out on an island like that!
Basically just said…good luck, you’re on your own!

by scottie33 on Sep 29, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

man imagine our backup front line if we drafted blair and taj

This may go down as the most retarded decade in NBA history.

by sin on Sep 29, 2010 12:55 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Bulls are going to keep him, until they can find someone to trade him with

The bulls have been trying to trade him this offseason and will continue to do so…………i’m glad that the guy lost weight but didn’t improve his game………..the bulls are a playoff team and don’t have time to waste on bums

by Jermal on Sep 29, 2010 1:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Send JJ to dleague

I doubt anybody would try to “kill” JJ. he’ll karate chop everyone before that happens

any updates on Martynas Andriuskevicius? (thank god theres copy paste)

by trig on Sep 29, 2010 1:45 AM CDT reply actions  

He played garbage minutes for Lithuania's national team.

Might have put on a lil weight finally.

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by E-Grizzle on Sep 29, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dleague would be a good call for JJ

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by Belize on Sep 29, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions  

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They’ve been hesistant to use that in past. But he is odd man out. RT @jabes416: @KCJHoop u think bulls send James Johnson to D league?

by Option27 on Sep 29, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions  

When in France eh Rog?
He signed in France to finish up the season with Dijon

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by Ugh It Live! on Sep 29, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Send him to Reno..

Eric Musselman is their head coach. I’m sure they can trust his development with him, he was almost a part of the coaching staff. Can you even send a guy to a specific team or are you locked in to one team where you can send your guys?

by Ceasaleo on Sep 29, 2010 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Ideally

You can send him down to the D-League, let him get some solid minutes and learn the game from a coach the org trusts. With his roster spot we keep one of the invites, the guy barely sees the floor. While JJ goes off down in the D-League. Come January, maybe Brewer and a couple of those back end guys get traded for a legit SG, or a Melo trade goes off. He’s called up and in a position to get a few minutes AND he’s actually ready to contribute, instead of hoping he is.

by Ceasaleo on Sep 29, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think its the Iowa Energy

the Bulls have a specific agreement with them. Or, the Iowa Energy lists the Bulls as an affiliate and I don’t know exactly what affiliate means.

by JockstrapNoah on Sep 29, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Sucks!

And if that’s the case, shouldn’t we have some say in who’s on the coaching staff and/or what kind of system they play?
If you can only send your players to a certain affiliate then to me it should be like the MLB Minor league teams, where the parent team runs its own affiliate. To have it like this makes no sense, at least not to me.

by Ceasaleo on Sep 29, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

some teams do i think. but those teams are smart.

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by TheMoon on Sep 29, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

The Spurs and Rockets

yeah.

Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!

by Prevenge on Sep 30, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

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