Open Thread: FIBA World Championship SemiFinal: Team USA vs. Lithuania
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 11, 2010 11:02 AM CDT
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Is this gonna be a game worth watching?
Don’t want to sit down for a 4520 point blowout.
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 11, 2010 11:06 AM CDT reply actions
Durant should take every shot
Everyone else looks like shit (especially Rose)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
You're insane.
Especially Rose? He may not be playing great, but he hasn’t been anywhere near shit. He’s actually been pretty ok.
He did look like shit on that layup,
and just got pulled.
Cause he's played like shit
At least relative to his talent. He’s not TJ Ford for fuck’s sake.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he's the only player on the planet that could find a way not to get fouled on that layup
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Your level of hate is getting pathetic.
Here are the PG’s that got to the line more than Derrick last year: Billups, Harris, DWill, Westbrook, Miller, Parker. Only Deron Williams is better, and all but Westbrook have been in the league far longer than Derrick. He was seventh among PG’s in FTA as a sophomore, that’s not bad at all. Get over it.
by dakoose on Sep 11, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever guy
I’ll just paste what I wrote in the other thread when Basketball Smurf said the exact same thing:
All of those guys you mentioned are much better passers than Rose and do other things better too(steals, rebounds), so they don’t need to get to the line and score as much to help their teams. Rose is a scoring pg. That’s where his value lies. So unless he becomes a much better passer and three point shooter next year (which is possible), he’s gonna have to up those free throws by a good margin if he wants to be considered an elite player.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
that doesn't change the fact that he still goes to the line a decent amount
for his position. I didn’t respond because I thought it was a non-sequitur
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't care about position
Rose isn’t a pure pg. And if you think he is, then you can change my complaint from Free Throws to Assists, and it would still be valid. In other words, he’s lacking.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
okay, you can have another point guard
i’ll take Rose. we shall see
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I still think he's really good
It’s just that I’m starting to think that if he’s you’re best player, you’re not winning anything.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
What's a pure PG?
He’s not all about passing and scores more than a typical PG, but he’s good enough to get to 8 assist/game. He hasn’t had a good partner for a pick and roll yet and has only had one player alongside him that can shoot, that being BG. He’s now got Boozer, Korver and Watson, so I’d be shocked if his assist numbers don’t jump significantly.
I hope they do
And if they do, the free throws are not as much of a concern. But, in his second year they went down, not up. And that’s not all because of his teammates
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He did go from BG to Kirk,
whatever that’s worth.
his assist rate went up.
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by TheMoon on Sep 11, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rose wide open from 3 nearly missed everything
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
that was awful
right off a catch/shoot too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 11, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Even worse,
his guy nailed a three in his face right after that,
With Booz on the team he's gonna have to get better at the catch-shoot
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn Westbrook
looks like a better Rose
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
I rescind my earlier point.
Rose has been shit today.
Oh, now that you officially acknowledge it, it must be true
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Listen, I wasn't trying to be an ass up there,
I just don’t get why you hate on Derrick so much based on a tournament in which he clearly isn’t trying very hard in.
I'll admit I'm being a little rough on him
I guess I’m just disappointed. I understand why you guys are bothered by what I’m saying, this tournament is not of huge importance as far as Rose goes, but for some reason, it’s really rubbed me the wrong way. I just can’t wait to get the season started so we can really see what’s going on.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else feeling USA's lack of worry.
OOoooh. Dude got flipped. Ouch
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions
Westbrook doesnt run the team when he is out there
And he has some dumb turnovers. Derrick is trying to play a role instead of doing like Chance and jacking up shots. Once you realize his aim you shouldn’t get upset. He isnt trying to take over. The game is different.
by Playboy_Bull on Sep 11, 2010 11:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I just do not understand this line of thinking
Everyone thinks Rose is gonna be a top 5-10 player, yet everyone is ok with him being a ghost in this competition, and getting outplayed by guys he’s supposed to be way better than. This thing was gift wrapped for him to be a star, but it looks like he can’t wait to get rid of the ball. I’m not advocating him jacking shots like Billups, but do… something.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Dude he is a role player here
Just like Wade was, and other stars has been. He is showing he doesn’t have to be the man to be successful. All you care about is stats or flash. Come October we will have that.
by Playboy_Bull on Sep 11, 2010 12:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Once you can accept that he truly only cares about winning
and isn’t big on personal stuff, this tournament is much easier to watch. Even when he was dominating late in the season and doing ridiculous stuff, he wasn’t out there pounding his chest like Durant or screaming like Westbrook. He’s just different, and it can be both refreshing and frustrating at the same time.
I agree with you juicebox
Rose looks beyond terrible.
The reality is he isn’t a star. He’s an almost-star.
Rose has usually been the 2nd best player on this team
You could argue Love, but everyone else has had games where they looked far worse than Rose’s worst game.
Coach K clearly wants Billups running things, which really limits what Rose can do. Just relax.
Derrick looks rough.
I am not sure why he is getting so far away from his game.
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by Super-Structure on Sep 11, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah - he's turned himself into a lousy spot up shooter.
Christ, Derrick – do what you’re good at.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Damn Westbrook is good
sigh im almost jealous
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
That is a bit of a stretch.
He is outplaying Rose right now, though.
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by Super-Structure on Sep 11, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
This entire tourney he has outplayed him
this is the only thing we have seen of these two players this year so its easy to think Westbrook may have taken that next step.
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
This is a pretty small sample size.
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by Super-Structure on Sep 11, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Playing without abandon and recklessly only gets you so far.
Rose is playing controlled. He is trying to play….Omg…like a point guard.
by Playboy_Bull on Sep 11, 2010 11:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He needs to play like he normally does...
by getting to the basket.
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by Super-Structure on Sep 11, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
No he hasn't
Westbrook has been super streaky
i agree. and a lot of garbage time.
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Good thing
you’re not an NBA GM. It’s simple, if you followed NCAA and NBA you would never be jealous of OKC having Westbrook rather than Rose. Rose clearly is the better player and you’re being a Chicken Little.
by wfrv5 on Sep 11, 2010 1:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's not "clearly" a better player. They both do different things well.
If Rose had Westbrook’s defense and rebounding he’d be close to a perfect player.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
If those two
were to be drafted all over again knowing everything we know up to this point, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb saying he’d be the obvious first pick. Westbrook could still be 4 with Lopez replacing Beasley.
by wfrv5 on Sep 11, 2010 1:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Feels wierd
when Rose is the cheerleader on the team. They play better with him on the bench
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
It's a little galling (though admittedly somewhat irrationally so)
to see Derrick, our shining hope for the future, getting outplayed by Westbrook.
(I know, I sound like a homer, it’s just perplexing Derrick isn’t stepping up a little).
Rose leading with 3 assists!!!!
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Sep 11, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions
well his job isnt to be a scorer but a facilitator
by Playboy_Bull on Sep 11, 2010 11:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually his job is to be good, he's been bad
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
tell Coach K Rose should score more
by Playboy_Bull on Sep 11, 2010 12:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't care if he scores more
I just want him to play better. He’s been lazy on defense. His passing, driving and shooting have all been non-existent and he looks like he can’t wait to give up the ball the moment he gets it.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, some of you all really need to relax. This isn’t his team and he is not called on to do what he normally does. Yes, his shooting if off today but his defense hasn’t been half bad and he is being a facilitator. Now, when he gets back with the Bulls and is not being assertive then you would have a good reason to complain.
I agree with some of the Rose bashing to some degree
Some, not all. I think that, in his role as the facilitator he has debilitated his ability to play his normal game. He is having a hard time transitioning from passer to aggressor and I think this tournament and his off-season work will help go a long way to making that transition go more smoothly.
For now, I am just hoping for USA victories. I will be pleased with what Rose is doing well and I won’t worry about what he is not doing well because we already know he can score and get to the basket and he will do so in the NBA games that matter more to Bulls fans.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
How was that not a foul
Maybe it’s not all his fault he doesn’t get to the line
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
So why is Westbrook playing over him?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
at the moment he was pulled, he was pulled for Gordon
Westbrook is having a better game today. It happens. Get over it.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
for our best shooter. rose is having a bad shooting game.
it’s smart.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
He's not our best shooter
Where did you get that?
(Korver, for one…)
People worrying about Rose are being ridiculous
He has been asked to play a very specific role on this team and he has done it well. But because he isn’t scoring a bunch everyone says he isn’t playing well.
Rose wouldn't of missed that dunk so there's that
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
Are we sure that he can still dunk?
(j/k)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
actually he looks very tired-
dead legs. guy better chill for awhile before training camp.
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Well he wouldn't have taken it either.
Probably would have looked for someone to pass to.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, Y'all need the season to start already
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
*shrugs* That's what he has been doing.
You’re the one who said that Rose would not have missed the dunk. I just want to see him actually dunk something. Anything.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Touche. Can we see Deng dunk some too. I miss that after seeing those highlights someone posted.
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, He's been like that from the jump
I just think now he wants to be right. He picked Spain and Greece to be in the Finals and picked the USA to be like 3rd back when they were scrimmaging. So now that the lack of half court offense, youth and inexperience hasn’t proved deadly to USA’s chances of gold and his front runners are gone, I think he just doesn’t want to have to admit he was wrong
How do they leave Durant that open?????
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder if Derrick's performance in this tourney is gonna effect whether or not he makes future US teams
Superteams suck.
Whether or not Paul or Williams want to play
will make more of a difference, IMO. I still think that Rose is the team’s best PG in the eyes of Coach K.
i agree
and he should be very close to if not a fully elite by then
I think Westbrook has been very impressive
he has been playing much better than Rose or any other pg lately in these FIBA World Championship games
I could see him getting cut in favor of John Wall but that's two years down the road.
Besides, the Olympics aren’t that big of a deal to the international basketball community. This is the championship that matters. Kind of wish that Rose played better but I look at it as a nice tune-up for the season.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He has led most games in assists with near-zero turnovers?
I suppose that means he’ll start in 2012? Unless you suppose that ass from the Celtics will be welcomed back
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
oops, meant to reply to JBJ
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by BigforkBullsFan on Sep 11, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
he wont start
unless he clearly becomes better than cp3 deron(or injuries strike), i’m not too worried about rondo unless he learns to shoot by then
Here's what I'm noticing.
Aside from Durant, the guys out there that look most comfortable are used to playing with better players or as a second or third options: Love, Gordon, Westbrook, Odom, etc. Derrick, Gay and Iguodala are the only ones other than Durant used to being the “guy” on their respective teams, and they look uncomfortable trying to play off of Durant. (I am reaching a bit to try and defend Derrick, but this does go along with my observations.) The team doesn’t practice much and doesn’t have many plays, which makes things even worse.
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i have direct tv
and ESPN Classic is in the 600’s. Its a pay channel for me
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I have Comcast, and it's 403 for me
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, they do have a game tomorrow (hopefully for the gold) and he may have to play big minutes then. I think the game before Spain he didn’t play a lot and then basically played the whole game vs Spain. Of course, I’m just guessing.
Really?
I’d bet that Rose is benched with a starting backcourt of Billups and Gordon, and Westbrook being the main guard off the bench
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll bet against that
I’ll be surprised if coach K changes his starting lineup for the entire tournament
I'd bet we don't change our entire plan the day before the final
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
hopefully
he looks lost in the half court though.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That guy is wrong.
Billups won a title, so Odom isn’t the only guy to make it a CF.
He was talking about last year
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by Super-Structure on Sep 11, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't want to hear anyone say that Durant shoots to much
Never again. I don’t care if he takes all of the shots for the rest of this game and all of next game. He cannot be guarded by anyone.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions
I never said he shouldn't take shots,
I just would rather watch Derrick take em. That said, Durant is clearly the best player out there and has the right to jack up shots whenever he wants to.
38 points on 23 shots
That is efficient. Not what Melo does.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions
because the Bulls have a chance to get Durant, this is relevant
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't recall saying they did
It’s simply stating the obvious different between an efficient scorer (Durant) and a generally inefficient scorer (Melo.)
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
but its still not relevant to anything
Melo is available, Durant is not. Melo is worth a couple picks, Deng and Taj, and I would do it without even blinking twice. I wouldn’t give up Noah though – thus, there probably won’t be a deal.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It is relevant to the only thing I am talking about
the fact that Melo is not an efficient scorer. You are bringing up your own topic and using it to say my separate topic is not relevant to yours. I am not talking about the trade possibilities in any capacity.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
but you wouldn't bring up Melo if he wasn't being discussed in a trade
why not say the same thing but refer to Deng?
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
What on earth are you doing?
I brought up Melo ONLY because the notion that he was an efficient scorer was passed around. That’s all. Stop fabricating your own reasons for my words. If you want to do so, discuss it with yourself.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think we went in Melo Trade-Talk overload this week
Seems like it has all died down for the time being though.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, thank dog.
I don’t want to lose Noah for anyone and think we should keep the defense and rebounding of Deng and Taj. Not to mention the draft picks. I’m hoping the only trade we make is a steal of Rudy giving up JJ.
why are you discussing the trade? i thought you guys were only talking about efficiency
and i get laid enough. thanks for the concern though.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Hehe, good for you ;)
Hey, you started it. :P (The trade talk)
I wouldn't say Melo's inefficient,
just less efficient. 38 points on 23 shots is awesome, but this is FIBA play with shorter threes and worse opponents. And for what it’s worth, in the NBA Durant averages 30.2 on ~25.4 shots, Melo 28.2 on 26.3 shots. Durant gets 2 more points despite taking one less shot. That’s good, but it doesn’t seem like worlds apart, and definitely not the difference between being efficient and inefficient. Melo racks up slightly more assists, Durant an extra rebound. Durant turns the ball over a little more, but gets an extra half block per.
Does anyone think Carmelo could possibly
Step his game up with the Bulls if he is traded…..I say this simply in regards he would seem to fit perfectly!……Also, it seems he feels he gets no respect as one of the top -tier scorers in the league and plays under the shadow of LeBum…… Could this possibly add to the rivalry of Heat ,Bulls……But I will say Jokeem the Dream, adds something not many players add I pray we get this done without giving up Jo, He is the main reason why alot of non-bulls fans respect the Bulls, his heart passion and will to win are unmeasurable, a key piece to any winning team
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
For an 82 game season, 2 more points on 1 less shot is a big difference
Not to mention the difference in terms of FT shooting, 3pt shooting, TS% and eFG%. Durant is much more efficient.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think any of those figures really make a difference.
Shouldn’t efficiency be describes as the production per possessions used up? That should be the end all be all. Melo also racks up some more assists and offensive boards while giving the ball away less. I still hesitate to say Durant is much more anything. He is more efficient, but I don’t think the gap is that wide. Though admittedly, I need to define what constitutes a significant difference in terms of efficiency.
Durant is more taller!
…
I think it probably evens out, actually, because of Durant’s absurdly high TO rate.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Shots isn't a perfect measure of possessions used though
If you get fouled and miss, no shot is recorded, right?
wow.
steph curry in the game no derrick. shit.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
But he's playing how Coach K wants him to play!
He’s a pg, he’s not supposed to do anything! He’s a winner! Winners just stand on the perimeter and cheer!
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone disagrees that Rose hasn't looked good.
But you seem to be championing some type of mass panic and I just don’t get the point.
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by Super-Structure on Sep 11, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol, I know, I'm just sad :(
There really is no point to what I’m doing
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Winners have bad games.
Makes it look worse when Rose doesn’t look to score a whole lot as well.
Save your bashing for the season, you’ve used too much of it on FIBA
by aznlildelfin on Sep 11, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm missing whatever you're getting at here.
don’t know what/who you’re parodying, or the relevance to what I said
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Sorry, that wasn't directed at you at all
I was just using your comment as an opportunity to type that
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
ah. my fault.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
This sounds like the panic around here when Derrick started slow this past season.
Admittedly, I was one of his biggest critics early on, as I doubted his injury was that big and thought he was just taking it easy. Turns out I was wrong, and he was really god down the stretch. Derrick will be fine, don’t throw out last season because of a FIBA tournament.
by dakoose on Sep 11, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you though. anytime rose looks like crud people just write it off by saying, "well, he just wants to win."
as if rose kicking ass would not give his team a better chance of winning.
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- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I really hope this doesn't affect his confidence going into the season.
The basketball world is a small one, and people will be in his ear about how he was the second best point guard on a team that was already the second best group of players.
What time is the game tomorrow?
I hope I don’t have to record it.
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I think it's 1 pm central on ESPN, not spositive though
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt he'll have the opportunity to suck
Unless you mean he’ll suck at cheerleading.
(Ok, that;s it, I;m done, I promise. I’m just depressed)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
man the fuck up.
okay?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
wait...
life depressed, ie clinically, or just about basketball? Cause if you meant the life thing, sorry.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
lol, no, I'm doing ok in life
Definitely basketball depressed, so yea, I do need to man the fuck u
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
rose shot poorly, but he had a good game
made some nice passes, played good defense, and did a fine job running the offense
Time for Omer!
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not sure, but it's on espn classic at 230.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Chris Sheridan just said that Rose took some wild shots in the lane and that’s why he didn’t play in the fourth. He only had one shot in the lane and he was fouled. The other two shots were on a break. Did I miss something?
Sheridan has been dogging on Rose the entire tournament.
He’s had a few articles about how Rose shouldn’t be starting. This team is 8-0 with this starting lineup and they started off great in the first quarter. Why would they change the lineup because he missed a few shots?
lol
@ female reporter saying “Andrew IguadOOLa”
That was pretty funny
Haha glad I wasn’t the only one who caught that and found it pretty funny
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
As I recall Rose scored zero points as a Jr in the state championship
This tournament is a glorified streetball game. Its unwatchable for the most part. The comments on here are ridiculous. WGAF how many points Rose scores?
by Duck99 on Sep 11, 2010 12:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Good win USA
As far as Rose goes, One Big thing people forget about is not only the role of Rose in this USA scheme, but The FIBA game itself, court is smaller, and basically 5 ppl can stand around the rim to roadblock driving and slashing plays. Which is Roses’ biggest asset. Rose is simply playing a role and working on his jumper during practices (to my knowledge). All this is is basically a bunch of exhibition games, where I believe he is simply working on tweaking some things, The rules and game of the FIBA play goes against everything Rose is as a player. I would not be too worried. Except I have yet to really see the much anticipated increase of a better j and 3. but practice makes perfect right?…..Well, as bulls’ fans, lets hope so
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
And I would say the only thing to take
From this tourney, would be the experience Asik has gained. Hopefully this will help prepare him, for training camp and a soon gained backup C role in the NBA
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine, but why is that not bothering Westbrook?
Plus, according to Rose, isn’t he supposed to be this knockdown shooter? He hasn’t been making shots either.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
does anyone remember when derrick carried a shit team to the playoffs last year?
I’m pretty sure that was the same dude, so lets not worry how he does here. It’s a good experience for him and I think it’s showed him that he needs three point shot to truly be an elite guy. I bet he comes out strong in the final.
Could be several things
But I am willing to bet Westbrook takes this personally as if he has something to prove, plus from waht I’ve seen most of Westbrooks’ points come off of turnovers or fastbreaks, and as I recall when the ganmes have came down to the nitty gritty, Rose has shown his true capability and gotten to the basket at times.
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
ignore the spelling errors
Watching UGA game and getting highly frustrated lol
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Please if you could
How does he look…?……(Locked into UGA game)
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
All-in-All
I would not take very much from these games, Rose will have the best players around him hes ever had. He is gaining much more experience with defending the pick and roll, and he will gain much more defensive knowledge this whole offseason with Thibs, Early up to Mid-Way through the season we will see the schemes and experience be put into play then I believe the pessimistic comments, if called for, can be accepted, but this is highly premature, and comes off as seemingly ignorant, when all factors are taken into consideration
Yeah, I'm rooting hard for Turkey here
I want a Bull to win gold ;)
Besides the obvious concern of free-throws
Does he seem to turn the ball of quite a bit?……God I wish we still had B-Miller, he could be a great mentor to Asik and help him get the best out of his abilities, and help him with some of his inabilities, He was very underrated (Maybe not by true BullFans) as a pivitol part in Noah’s success last year
by chicagobullies on Sep 11, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i think that will be a common theme throughout the season
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless he's fairly thick-headed
he’ll realize the game is called differently in the US. He’s horizontal foot speed is damn impressive for his size. It’s the lack of explosivity that’s bothersome.
Man – if he only had a jump shot.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
i think its hard to get used to the differences between the way the games are called
i can see him getting called for a lot of moving screens and hands in the back on defense. Plus he tries to contest everything which will lead to more fouls.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
In case you guys weren't tuning in,
when the commercial break is over they will address why Rose sat in the 4th.
Wasn't as bad as I thought
Just that the defense were playing off him too much and came with Gordon because of it
He said Rose sat because he was shooting poorly
If we’re being honest here, Westbrook has looked better than Rose in this tournament. Rose hasn’t shot well in these FIBA games. Everyone got excited over Rose’s supposed improved jumper and new 3 pointer, but I don’t see any improvement at all.
Westbrook has had some really nice stretches,
but he also has played a ton of minutes against scrubs. If coach K believes Westbrook is a better option, then he would play him. Personally, I think Gordon should play with Rose and Billups should run the offense with the second unit, but I’m not coaching this team.
No question that Westbrook has played against second stringers
So the level of comp is not the same as what Rose has faced. Still, Rose’s shot hasn’t looked that good this tournament. I was hoping for some marked improvement and just have not seen it. On the plus side, I think Rose has played some good D and I like how he handled the ball in transition.
he just made a crazy move
he is a slow motion steve nash right now
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Does anyone know who owns his rights?
If any NBA-team does…
his form looks okay
i don’t get why he shoots them so badly
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
best international game i've seen this summer
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 3:17 PM CDT reply actions
We got Asik on one channel and Melo on another(NBATV),
not a bad basketball day at all.
what a disaster!
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
one announcer is yelling the game is over
the other is yelling there is still time. Chaos
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
ok so turkey scored on a layup, wide open. then with 0.5 seconds left
serbia launched an alley oop, but a dude from turkey (not asik) blocked it cleanly. it was going in i think
Asik channeling a WWE heel on his last play
I can’t wait for him to get to Chicago. I get the feeling that watching him play is going to be fun.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 11, 2010 3:36 PM CDT reply actions
if i played fantasy basketball, "Semih Ehrden's Giant Hand" would be my team name. what a funny announcing call.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Truly Glorious
Feel sorry for Serbia, though.
They were the better team
it will be interesting to see how the USA does
against the crowd and the refs tomorrow. It could get interesting if Turkey can keep it close.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 11, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
You guys have a steal in Asik
He has a high basketball IQ, makes the right plays and knows what’s up. Nice injury. Hahaha.
Cousins is good but he's no mana from heaven.
Did you see him get poked/hit in the eye??
It was pretty hard.
Now I once had an elbow to the eye and saw double for the rest of the game and kept playing, but that’s me… ;) (Turned out later a bone behind my eye was broken. Air bubbled out of my eye-socket when i blew my nose. It was quite cool.)
I did
I just think that they were too quick to let the other player shoot the FT and he seemed fine afterwards. He was given an opportunity and he capitalized on it without anyone anyone telling him to take a fall…I’m just saying.
Still think it was wrong though.
Wow. Kudos to you. I would have stopped playing if that happened to me. Glad it wasn’t serious.
Cousins is good but he's no mana from heaven.
It's possible there was SOME acting involved.
In spite of good looking form on his FT’s his percentage is surprisingly low so there are reasons to speculate whether it was a tactical ploy. However after watching it again in slow motion and seeing the hard direct hit to the (open) eye, I’m confident there was no acting involved.
He didn’t play the rest of the game, though, so we don’t really know. However you don’t need two fully functioning eyes to run onto the court celebrating after the game… ;P
Thanks, man. Must have been the adrenaline. I wouldn’t have kept playing if it happened today, I’ll tell you that. My work is highly dependent on proper vision.
There's definitely acting involved
but personally I don’t think you need it to be efficient
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 12, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
makes sense. the stakes are too high to be screwing around with a guy who isnt doing anything.
give him a brief chance, and if hes no good sit him, like what don nelson did to monta ellis in the 06-07 playoffs.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Agreed
I still think Rose is awesome, but this is also a situation where having no ego hurts him. Apparently he needs his entire team, and city for that matter, to tell him it’s ok to be really good. He doesn’t know when to defer, and when to score, and every time he misses a shot, you can see how frustrated he gets. He just needs to play the damn game.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris Sheridan has a very punchable face
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
as does broussard
as does hollinger
as does adande
as does…wait am i seeing a trend here
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
“The zone, you know the zone, I thought with Andre [Iguodala] and Derrick out there, they were playing off of those two guys. So it became more difficult for Chauncey to get a look, or Kevin Durant. And Russell can really penetrate against any defense,” Krzyzewski explained. "So you had that, and Eric has been our best shooter outside of Kevin Durant, and Chauncey at the point in that situation is something that we talked about as a team and as a coaching staff.
“So we went to that, and that was a good thing to go to.”
Aren’t we supposed to have the guy that can penetrate against any defense?
I think the problem is, and this was mentioned in the other thread, Derrick is scared to go in there. Rose wants to do his circus layups where he puts the ball in without being touched, but he can’t in FIBA play. Whereas Westbrook is just storming in like a freight train, and dunking on people or getting to the free throw line.
I still think Rose should probably be playing over Billups, who apparently thinks that this tournament is all about his old ass. Obviously Coach K is afraid to bench his “leader” though.
Superteams suck.
this is the problem we've had with rose since he was drafted
for some reason he likes using his floaters and trick shots instead of muscling his way in like he should be able to do.
this is why we’ve always complained about his ability to get to the line. he doesnt put himself in position to have fouls called. westbrook does a good job of muscling his way into the defense and drawing contact and for some reason rose just likes to shy away from it..
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 11, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he led the NBA in FG% at close range last year. So, his floaters and trick shits obviously work for him. It's a legit skill to pull those off.
Certain people are making it seem like guards can only score via layup, 3-pointer, and free throws.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree it works
but dont you think he’d be more efficient/ help the team alot more
if he got to the line and in the process got the his man/other team into foul trouble ?
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
His floaters should stay
instead, he should be taking less jump-shots
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 11, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
well thats what he shouldve been doing last few years
this year things may change with boozer in the fold.
boozer is going to be working inside alot. although boozer likes to take jumpshots too so who knows.
my guess is we’ll see alot more jump shots from rose than we’d like this year.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
No, that's what he should have done on a competent team with a real coach.
He’s going to take more jump shots than drives, that’s what guards do. The key is for those shots to actually come within a context of a play rather than dribbling around and hoisting up shit before the buzzer.
I want the floaters, free throws, 3-pointers, etc. He has to have it all to take that next step. Hopefully with Boozer around Rose doesn’t have to be such a high-volume shooter.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
figuring it all out, and how it all ‘fits’ is probably one of the biggest parts of developing into a great player
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 11, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Westbrook does just really fly in there without any regard for his body or what-not.
Rose had 2 freak injuries last year thanks to Howard and I’d rather he stay injury free then go to the hole with “something to prove” and fuck himself up.
by Playboy_BullV on Sep 11, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
its not about having something to prove
its about scoring efficiently. we’re not asking rose to throw his body in there without control. its about get contact at the right angles like lebron/wade etc do in mid air when they drive. squaring your body up so you can take a hit and get contact. no ones asking rose to run full speed head on into dwight (which is basically how he got injured)
all we need is derrick to draw contact. cp3 is barely the physical specimen rose is and he isnt afraid to get inside and score/ draw contact. deron williams does a great job of draw contact as well. rose really imo was too shy his rookie year. which led to developing that floater which he fell in love with last year and just totally made him refuse to drive in for contact more often
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Exactly
Getting fouled is a skill. When done properly, there’s really not much injury risk.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 11, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
i mean theres injury risks in playing the sport period.
you could land on someones foot shooting jump shots.
you could have freak accidents like shaun livingston making a layup.
theres injury risk no matter what.
but you just have to be smart about it and minimize risk and theres ways to get fouled without risking your body every time
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
AHHHH! They benched Rose and now the sky is falling!
The only real concern i Have is that Rose doesn’t get injured. I could care less if they cut his minutes.
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by RogersPark Kris on Sep 11, 2010 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
if he played for usa he would not even be a rotation guy
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Considering how unimpressive the non-Durant forwards have been I think Deng could do just fine on this team.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 11, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hellloo BaB
just reading up on the week’s bball missed news and it looks like Rose has been ass lately. Hows he playing today???? Good/better? worse???
man, fuck you! by palmpre on Sep 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
new thread is up for the final
very late, I know.
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