I think a realistic goal for us is a championship
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Derrick?
Obviously, Miami’s crazy right now down there on the beach; obviously, we’re crazy coming up here.
He must spend a lot of time with Rose.
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 1, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Sep 2, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously Boozer is following the world championship closely...
I think they’re a game or two away from winning the gold and hopefully they can bring it back for us.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 1, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I like what he's saying
Even if they aren’t there right now, it’s important to set that standard. It drives me crazy when players/coaches/management shy away from that word.
by dbrown25 on Sep 1, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
hes more delusional than those people who dont want melo damn
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
You're wrong on both counts.
If I could anti-rec, I would. It’s not delusional to think this team could win a championship, it’s just unlikely. It’s also not delusional to doubt whether getting Melo is a good idea, it’s just counterintuitive and involves some subtle points, and could very well be wrongheaded. Let’s chill on the “delusional” hyperbole.
by arjoseph on Sep 2, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
not realistic
At a glance, the Bulls look like a stacked lineup with unbelieveable talent, but we are missing a sharpshooter. I’ve said this many times, but because of Boozer’s remark, I must repeat it. We need a sharpshooter to play in the championship.
By the looks of it, the championship will be the Lakers vs the Heat or the Lakers vs the Celtics.
The Lakers have a lineup very similar to the 90’s Bulls along with Phil Jackson. They’ve proven themselves by winning many championships and are pretty much the 90’s Bulls of the 2000s. They have a great all-around team. Fisher, Kobe, Odom, Gasol, Bynum. They also have a decent bench.
The Heat have the 3 best superstars in the NBA in their positions. Wade, James, Bosh. They definitely don’t have a solid PG or C, but they have 3 power horses with raw talent that make up for that. They also have a decent bench.
The Bulls have Rose, , Deng, Boozer, Noah. We have Brewer. He fulfills the defensive portion as a SG, but not offensively. We can’t count on him to close games or bring us back with 3’s like Ray Allen or Ben Gordon would do.
The Bulls can realistcally win a championship if we sign Ray Allen. He is the only answer to bringing back the trophy to Chicago. Ben Gordon is the closet thing to Ray Allen, but we traded him, he’s undersized, he doesn’t have respectable D. Sure, we traded a sharpshooter, but with him gone, we were able to revamp our team to be serious playoff contendors.
If you can think of another sharpshooter that would lead us to a championship, please tell me.
See, the Celtics won because they had a complete team. They had everything we need. They had a Rose-a-like(somewhat), Ray Allen, a Deng-a-like, a Boozer-a-like, and a Noah-a-like.
Korver helps us offensively, but he’s just not good enough.
The Lakers have Kobe. The Heat have Wade. The Celtics have Allen.
The Bulls have Brewer. Not good enough!
a dream filled with tall people
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe Rose has surpassed CP3.
Besides the true finesse of CP3, Rose dominates him in every category.
With Rose being the go-to guy and possibly Boozer taking on that role, you just can’t make it all the way.
CP3 used to be a beast, but he is a PG, who is supposed to primarily be a playmaker.
I can just hope for Rose to make a new name for PG’s and close games. Even Rose wants to take on this role, but it’s a fuzzy idea to me.
NBA was crap in the early 2000s, but the Spurs also had an all-around team to win championships. They had a sharpshooter, Ginobli.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
in no way shape or form is rose even remotely close to the level of a healthy chris paul
could he take that leap this year? possibly but definitely not anywhere near cp3 level yet.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 4:49 AM CDT up reply actions
healthy CP3 or not
now is now.
CP3 isn’t healthy and he probably won’t return to his superstar level like before. Injuries are the worst.
In the NBA, the best PG’s are Rose and Williams. I remember Kenny Smith saying something like Rose is almost on the same bus as Williams and CP3.
Nash is a solid PG too, but he’s just too old to fit in the same category with these young superstar PGs.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
you are seriously overrating Rose
i like the guy, but he is on a tier below CP3 and Williams.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Serioiusly
Watch the Worlds and you’ll see Rose is a long way away. I could play better defense than Rose. That is not hyperbole either. I really believe that. It starts with willingness, and Rose may talk about defense but you can tell he has no desire to play it on the court.
to me it looks like he actually starts a game with that mentality
Its just after he gets beat on like 3 or 4 pnrhe starts to give up/lose interest
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
I just think he's not very smart.
At least basketball wise. He really doesn’t show much in terms of basketball IQ. He doesn’t know how to set guys up, doesn’t know how to get to the line, doesn’t know how to play defense or play passing lanes, doesn’t know how to be a vocal leader, doesn’t know how to run a pick and roll. The only things I can think of that he does that show good basketball intelligence are: controlling the pace, and avoiding fouls and turnovers (although the second part could just be an example of playing timid).
That’s the hard thing about rooting for Rose. On talent alone, he’s almost without peer in the league. Plus he’s a good guy that’s easy to root for. But you really have to wonder if he’ll ever put it all together. Everyone wants him to, because we all know how sick he would be. With that being said, he really doesn’t have to put it all together. As is, he’d be an amazing second option on a team, and can still have a brilliant career. But he’ll never be the guy we hoped he could be. I think we’ll have a better idea after this year. Unfortunately, this tournament has been somewhat of an ominous start.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
People say stuff like this all the time
and it’s unfair, so I feel like I have to defend him.
Rose isn’t a 36-scorer on the ACT. He’s just a guy who’s good at basketball. He’s clearly doing what he think needs to be done to be the best player he can be. But does that mean that he doesn’t deserve to be rooted for because he hasn’t fufilled his potential yet? Or that he doesn’t deserve to be liked because he’s not the player you wanted him to be? Sheesh.
If you’re going to say that he’s not worthy of your ‘fandom’, then how about you go out there and play PG for the Chicago Bulls?
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 2, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, you obviously read the first line and nothing else
because I really didn’t say any of that shit
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by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but did the guy who took his ACT score a 36?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you have to miss questions on purpose
otherwise, its too easy.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
reading tht made my head hurt
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Sep 2, 2010 7:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The ACT is like shooting a barn with a sniper rifle from five feet away
you’re probably going to hit it, why bother aiming?
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Didn't he win MVP of a game like two days ago? Holy shit.
All I see is all these small forwards who are apparently leagues ahead of Luol Deng playing like shit. The entire team has been wildly unimpressive. I know it’s blogger decorum to blow Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant, but they’re doing exactly what I expected.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
a lot of the blame has to fall on Coach K
they aren’t running an offense out there. They just pass it around the perimeter and go 1 on 1. They seem to be regressing. For the life of me I can’t understand why Kevin Love isn’t starting. His defense isn’t that good in the NBA, but against these international big men, his slow feet don’t make much of a difference and his rebounding is huge.
And like you, I think Durant and Westbrook are just doing what they do, but not really playing that impressively. With the amount of time the ball spends in Durant’s hands, he doesn’t do enough creating. Again, Coach K has to take some blame. Fran Fraschilla was criticizing Coach K, without directly calling him out, talking about the need to get movement and run Durant off some screens.
Rose, Gordon, Durant, Gay, Love would be my starting 5. With Billups, Westbrook, Odom and Iggy as my main guys off the bench. And I would run high pick and rolls every time down in the half court. All the NBA guys know how to play it, it creates at least some movement, and its a plan instead of the no plan attack Coach K is running.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yea, I like that group
Although I think you can keep Iggy as a starter if you move Gordon into the starting lineup
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by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I would keep Odom in at th 4
We would lose some shooting, but the team would destroy the boards.
i think Gordon and Gay's defense
have been close enough to Iggy’s that I would go with the superior offensive players. Iggy is doing a lot of overplaying and gambling and getting beat forcing guys to cover for him. I think Team USA is going to have to play the better teams more straight up and do less gambling.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate Iguodala. Thanks to FIBA I now have ultimate disrespect for Iggy, Gay, and Billups.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
And people think Iggy is playing good D out there
but his overplaying actually gets the US beat more times than it helps. Plus he is absolutely clueless on the offensive end.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Coach K’s offense is possibly the worst offense I’ve ever seen, and i watch Vinny Del Negro coach the Bulls.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Well, thankfully, *watched.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
No, 'watch' is correct
VDN offenses are recurring nightmares.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Sep 2, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Clippers-Bulls games are going to be scary as hell
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
He won MVP because he had a decent scoring game
Scoring is not his problem, and it’s not why I’m a little concerned. People are taking my criticisms like I’m trolling and saying “Rose sucks!”. That’s not what I’m saying people, no need to get sensitive. I’m pointing things out in comparison to how a top 5 player in the league would/should play, because that’s what we’re hoping Rose can be. I already fucking know he’s good. I’m watching him now to see if he can take it to the mega-star level. That’s why I’m being a little overly critical. And I don’t understand why people have to freak out about this
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not freaking out, I know full well your concerns about Rose.
They’re the concerns that most people share. I just get really annoyed at labeling him “stupid” in a basketball sense. Westbrook makes a ton of stupid plays, where’s the tag on him?
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I never said Westbrook was brilliant
I’ve always said that I thought Rose was better than Westbrook. I think you’re referring to my other post below, in which I said that Westbrook looked way more “athletic”. I didn’t say he was smarter or better. And I didn’t mean to make it sound like you, particularly, were freaking out. It just feels like every time I post something slightly negative about Rose, people freak. It was meant for a lot of people, not just you
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
because we've had ample opportunity to see Rose play and develop
so what he has done in the international games is okay, but it doesn’t override the fact the guy was averaging about 23 and 7 over the last 2 months of the season on .55 TS%
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I know, which is why I'm focusing on finer points
such as attitude, and other little things. I’ve just been a little disappointed on that end is all. By no means am I saying it’s the end of the world
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by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I was taken aback a bit at 1st, but I Agree.
If u other guys dont see what he’s trying 2 say, see Carmelo Anthony…. Carmelo can score, but he’s not all that good at anthing else, at least IMO. he’s a scorer who of course has been hyped up (and worthy 2 b hyped up, dnt get me wrong) since high school and 2 present day, but if he doesnt expand his skills more, ur gonna see his career kinda lose a little star power as he ages and possibly b ringless… but as of now, thats what makes him a “complimentary” piece 2 any great team rather than a team 2 build around him. and thats how i see rose now, but the difference is, i see rose is willing 2 get better and strengthen his weaknesses, like his jumpshot for instance, whether its got better or not, he’s taken criticism about it and is working hard 2 improve it. who knows whats next after he accomplishes that? but i hope for him 2 expand his skills and show us a new breed of PG in the NBA
by Discuss-A-Bull on Sep 2, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it really that hard to write out "to"?
It would make you seem a lot more intelligent if you did that.
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by Poloplaya14 on Sep 3, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol ok
good point, as long as you understood, i’m satisfied, you have to excuse me for many reasons (I’m young and I text alot, and I’m new on blog-a-bull, which is the worst i guess, because im gonna get picked on because of that)
by Discuss-A-Bull on Sep 3, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't pick on new people here.
However, we will pick on you if it’s constantly hard to read your posts. I know this isn’t class, but things like sentences that end with a period, capital letters, and paragraphs are used because they make things a lot easier to read.
I tried to read your post above several times, but I gave up because of the effort required. Unless you’re actually typing from a phone, it’s best not to type like you text.
This isn't class
But I feel schooled. Great advice though.
by Discuss-A-Bull on Sep 5, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Iguodala and Rudy Gay are very overrated.
Luol Deng is very underrated. I win.
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by tyger1147 on Sep 2, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You're always a winner!
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
tyger bite!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i agree with iggy after watching tUSA ball
but Gay is pretty awesome IMO…and him durant and rose work well together
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bball IQ can be a product of coaching
Rose hasn’t had good coaching yet in his career, in college (sorry Cal) or the pros. I don’t think he will ever become CP3, but he can learn how to move better off the ball and how to cut and how to direct an offense. Look at how much his movement and cutting improved once Brad Miller came to the Bulls. All of sudden Rose knew how to go back door and slip into the lane. Well, B. Miller told him where to go. VDN wasn’t telling him shit. Its been reported the players didn’t respect VDN much at all. I’m guessing what we’ve seen so far is Rose on raw talent. Which, by the way, has got him a rookie of the year award and an all-star bid. One of Thibs supposed specialties is coaching up individual players. I think Rose will improve because he is open to coaching.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's a good point
and it’s one of the main reasons I’m excited about the season. We finally get to see how some of these guys perform with a real coach
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by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He already moves very well off the ball when he actually deigns to do it. Too often he stands in the corner and does nothing.
When he actually decides to make his guy guard him off the ball, he torches guys. He gets a screen and gets the ball with a head of steam. It’s great to watch.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 2, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
right and you can watch any number of examples of him moving off ball
for brad. now if only team usa had a big man who can pass out of the high post. oh wait, they do. — coach k sucks.
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How do you know he can't run a pick and roll?
Because he couldn’t get Tyrus Thomas and Taj Gibson easy buckets?
Playing in the passing lanes is one of the laziest forms of defense and a good way to put the pressure on your teammates to make up for your gambles. I’d rather Rose learn how to become a good team defensive player that knows when to rotate and how to fight through screens. From what I’ve seen he’s miles ahead in terms of effort.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
whoa - i missed that part
Rose knows how to run an pick and roll. He just hasn’t had anyone to run it with. Or did JBJ not notice the constant double teams Rose was facing when he would run the pick and roll with Noah, Taj or Tyrus.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but I don't buy the argument
that he hasn’t had good pick and roll partners. If he had Tyson Chandler, people would say: “Dude, he’s playing with Tyson freaking Chandler!”. Yet look at what Paul did with him. The success of any pick and roll is 90% based on the point guard alone. He should be able to do a lot with what he has had on these teams.
As for the double team comment. It’s not like he’s double teamed the whole game out of the pnr. That’s mostly the last half of the fourth quarter. And he normally just takes the easy way out and tosses it to Noah, taking himself completely out of the game. Which is what the defense wants.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
they run pick and roll all game
and he averages 21 pts and 6 assist doing it. He runs pick and roll fine. I have no idea what you are talking about. And if the defense is going to commit to going 4 on 3 for large stretches of the game, the other Bulls have to make them pay. You talk about b-ball IQ, but than you want him to take on double teams and force up shots like he is frigging Kobe Bryant.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
First, I'd like to see some sort of percentage on how often they ran pick and roll last year
cause I don’t think it was nearly as much as you’re making it out to be. Second, just cause he can score on the pick and roll, doesn’t mean he can run it. There’s a big difference. Steve Nash and Chris Paul are currently surgeons with that shit. Take a look at them doing it, then take a look at Rose, and tell me he isn’t miles behind (and that’s who I’m comparing him to. I could care less if he’s better at it than TJ Ford)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he's closer to TJ Ford in terms of passing than Paul or Nash.
Rose was rarely projected to be an elite passer. For all intents and purposes he’s our franchise player, but that doesn’t mean he’s comparable to the best in the game.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose isn't going to ever lead the NBA in assist percentage
if that is what you want, its not going to happen. That isn’t his game, and it won’t ever be his game. So I don’t know what to tell you. Be prepared to be disappointed.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
he is always going to run that pick and roll closer
to DWade than Steve Nash.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true
And I don’t have a huge issue with it. I guess I just have to get used to it, and adjust my expectations accordingly. If he can’t become a better passer, it’ll be very hard for him to reach that magical potential we all see in him
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
He should become a better passer
but he’ll never be Steve Nash.
Rose is going to be more like Wade, scorer first, passer second. He can still be elite, he just needs to score better.
aka get superstar calls
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose's lack of passing
has been one reason I’ve advocated getting a guy like Melo here who can create his own shot as well as play off the ball too. To ultimately go where the Bulls want to go, i think they will need two guys who can draw a double team. And I don’t believe Boozer qualifies.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly.
Outside of rose I just don’t see anyone who can score on their own when defenses start to lock down in the playoffs. Pretty much all elite teams have go-to-guy A and go-to-guy B
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
The high pick and roll was their main offensive set. They ran a TON of them.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 3, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
32% of Derrick's possessions that ended in shots or turnovers came with him as the pick and roll ballhandler.
Per Synergy. It was by far his most common play.
Basically, jbj, you’re wrong.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 3, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, that doesn't tell me that much
Even though it was his most common play, I’d rather know how the Bulls compared to other terms in terms of running it. There aren’t that many plays in basketball, so obviously pick and roll is gonna be among the highest ran for any team (probably the highest). Also, I’d like to know how effective they were with it, if there’s a way of finding that out. Both of those would tell me a lot more. And you enjoyed writing that last sentence way too much ;)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 3, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
.94 Points Per Play when Derrick ran it and shot the ball. He was succesful with it.
And Derrick ran the pick and roll a lot more than the Bulls did as a team, fwiw.
It was often commented by other bloggers that the high pick and roll was seemingly the Bulls only play under Vinny. You’re just wrong about this.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 3, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Why am I so wrong?
All I did was say:
First, I’d like to see some sort of percentage on how often they ran pick and roll last year cause I don’t think it was nearly as much as you’re making it out to be.
That was more of a question, I never said I knew anything definitively. Plus you never said is they ran it more or less than other teams.
Also, I said I know he can score off a pick and roll. If he couldn’t he’d probably be a pretty useless player. I said he didn’t know how to RUN the pick and roll. Meaning he doesn’t know how to use it for anything else, but to get himself points. No statistical information can tell me otherwise, I can see it myself.
Actually, is there a stat that says what percentage of the time he gets an assist off of a pick and roll? Because I’m sure that will be below average compared to other high usage guards.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 4, 2010 5:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The other high-usage guards have a legitimate PnR partner
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 4, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree with that theory
But, I guess we’ll find out this year. Rose has no excuses anymore because he’s got two big men (three if you count Taj) that are more than capable.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 4, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't think it makes
A difference whether it’s amare, boozer or taj Gibson as the finisher on the pick and roll? Or the type of offense you run? Why did Nash assist rise so much in phx? And he went from one great pf to another
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 4, 2010 12:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When did I say it doesn't
make a difference what type of offense you run? I absolutely think it does. Particularly in Nash’s case.
I don’t understand why everyone is disagreeing with me. Do you guys really think that Derrick is a good psser/playmaker out of the pick and roll? He just isn’t. I don’t care about what stats say. I’ve seen every minute of every game he’s ever played (like I’m sure most others on here have). He is not good with the pick and roll.
I know he can SCORE out of it. I understand that. But, to be honest, that doesn’t mean all that much to me. Any great player will be able to score off a pnr. And Derrick is very good. But as a pg he should be able to get his teammates high percentage shots off of it as well. Which he does not. That’s all I’m trying to say, he’s very one dimensional up to this point
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 4, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
i disagree with your belief
that the guy receiving the pass doesn’t matter. I think that guy is almost as important as the guy handling the ball.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 5, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Which is understandable
but I will say, it’s not that I think the guy receiving the pass doesn’t matter, I just think the pg matters much more.
Also, my main point was not that, but that Rose is not very good at the pnr, despite the fact that he can score well using it
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 5, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
the answer is: he is beyond awful. or, more accurately,
the rose-noah-taj-miller combo is beyond awful at running the PnR when it comes to the roll man’s efficiency. so thats a pretty crappy sign for this season’s offense.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
if someone has the numbers for the roll man
when hinrich runs the PnR we could get a better idea of whats going on here.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
this explains why teams were
so desperate to get the ball out of D. Rose’s hands in the PnR last year. Although Boozer’s efficiency in Utah’s offense gives me hope for this year. Looking at the top 10 on that list, 9 of them have all-star big men.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 5, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
From that article:
I am going to be completely honest here, I was surprised to see the Knicks top this list, especially since Chris Duhon is the worst shooting starting point guard in the league. Before doing this, I thought that most teams who are successful hitting roll man would have a good shooter running the point. This is because teams would hedge and double hard, preventing the open jumper and leaving the roll man open. However, this shows me if you have a good player rolling off the screen, that seems to be more important than who is running the point.
So hopefully the fact that Rose-Taj-Noah are so bad at PnR is mainly a knock on Taj and Noah. And since we now have one of the best PnR roll men in the league…
Pat Riley is the devil.
He actually had a lot of success running the PnR with Noah last year. Pick and pop was more difficult because Jo can't shoot.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 2, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
wrong
Noah from 12-16 is above NBA average. Look it up.
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
And how often did he actually shoot?
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 4, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He only shot when he was WIDE open.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 4, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
tyger bite?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 4, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This tournament is an ominous start?
It’s a fucking pick up game. They run no plays and each player out there for USA is doing whatever the hell he wants. Derrick’s not like that and just wants to win, and if he doesn’t have to shoulder the load, then he won’t go out and try to do everything. That’s his style. He was awesome down the stretch last year and did some really good things against Cleveland, but you wanna disregard that because of a handful of pick-up games that Derrick really isn’t interested in? I don’t get that.
by dakoose on Sep 3, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
you couldn't play better defense than Rose
i think his defense has been fine. I don’t know why people have to make these big pronouncements one way the other about Rose. I think KD had him ranked right – he is the 5th best point guard in the league right now behind CP3, Deron Williams, Nash and Rondo.
He is young, he is getting better, he has areas he needs to improve in..
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rondo is overrated
Offensively, Rose is much better, he just doesn’t get to play with Allen, Pierce, and KG. Maybe you think Rondo’s defense puts him ahead, but I would rather have Rose on my team.
by tuluse on Sep 2, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Subtract
the big 3 from Boston, Rondo would be a scrub.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
This is such a terrible argument
Why would Rondo suddenly suck w/out the Big 3? Last year, he was the best player on that team while KG recovered from injury, Allen fell off a cliff, and Pierce aged more gracefully. He’s a playmaker on both sides of the court. He’s the “true” PG that many around here were crying for before Rose was drafted. Just because he can’t shoot doesn’t mean he can’t be the best player on a good team.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Sep 2, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He was scrub before,
and still hasn’t improved on that shitty jumpshot.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He was a rookie before KG and Allen got there
Again, yes, his shot sucks. He still, though, contributes greatly in other areas to far make up for that.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
You can't just say he's the best player on his team,
because he’s in a very unique situation, playing with three really good players. Pierce had a fantastic season offensively, and Allen is still the best three-point threat in the league. To Ainge’s credit, Rondo is surrounded by the perfect crew, two very good long range shooters and an excellent pick and roll forward(KG). If a team were to be truly be built around him, he wouldn’t looks as good. Imagine if Rose and Rondo were swapped, do you think the Bulls would be as good? I don’t.
The Bulls would be different and the Celtics would be different
I don’t think we can definitively say that one or the other would make a drastic improvement/devaluation for the other team. Even with Derrick, the Bulls were terrible offensively. Part of it may have been due to Rose’s inefficient scoring. Maybe, with a better passer at PG, other players on the team are able to step up and cover that missing scoring. Maybe the Celtics would suffer, missing the rebounding and passing Rondo brings that Rose doesn’t. They’re both very good players who’ve made the most of their situations.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Sep 3, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who is the best player on their team?
Isn’t every player in the league in a unique situation… Discounting Rondo because of his teammates supposed greatness doesn’t really make sense to me, Derek Fisher has terrific teammates and he still blows…
You couldn't.
If you’re not in the NBA, it’s because your not good enough, firstly. Second of all, if you’re playing the best players in the world, they’ll torch you. Period. If you think a guy like Westbrook looks fast on TV, it’d be 50x worse guarding him in real life.
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 2, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I could score
on Luke Ridinour and Dan Dikau
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you in the D-League? Do you play pro ball in Europe? Have Division I experience?
If not, then you probably couldn’t score on Tom Thibodeau.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
it's just an expression
like ‘QUINTEN DALEY’, a common phrase that means ‘skip this comment it probably blows’
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
My comments are lengendary,
as well as my catch phrases, my ability to post up would allow me to score on those 2 guys, there are a lot of guys w/o D-I, D-League or Euro experience that could take an NBA player on a play.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummmm....
if by “a lot” you mean almost none than you are correct. When I was I played in Y pickup game against a guy who was playing JC ball. No one on the court could play him…he was amazingly quick, just played the game way faster than anyone else on the court. And he would have torched by an NBA player.
by hitlesswonder on Sep 2, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Acie Law would could probably make an And-1 mixtape out of everyone on this site.
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 2, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I've played with a 6'8 player who was offered a scholarship from UConn
and it’s totally fair game and like, close, up until he decides he wants to play defense. And it’s not even like his defense was great. He told me that at all higher levels, its like this: they’re either tall enough that they can just block any shots from a normal size human being from anywhere, or they’re fast enough that they can blow by anyone who isn’t very, very fast.
And I don’t mean to say you’re not tall or fast, but if you’re tall or fast, why are you posting on this site when you could be owning at basketball?
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i could defend pargo about 9 out of 10 possessions
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
pargo would miss 9 out of 10 possessions
but im sure its not because of your defense…
(actually this is untrue…pargo would torch you, and me…and probably most of my highschool varsity basketball team)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
joke fail
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
eh i actually killed it
i knew u were kidding…i just thought it would help the funniness if i made it more literal….i failed…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
maybe we shouldve used kirk instead ;P
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Just like why Tiago Splitter wasn't here until this season
That’ll be a fun thing to look back on after Splitter averages around 15/10 this year …
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Fifty bucks that won't happen.
He’s good, but I don’t see him getting 15ppg once Duncan, Parker, Hill, Jefferson and Manu get theirs.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 3, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No you can't play better defense than Derrick Rose but whatever gets you hyped up to play at Lifetime.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Being the next Kirk Hinrich!!!
whatever gets you hyped up to play at Lifetime.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I can play better defense than a stick
go me!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I heard Lindsey Hunter was playing in a lifetime league a short while back
and was putting up insane numbers. Maybe he can go try to D-up Lindsey.
reason I brought up CP3
CP3 and David West were the team for the Hornets. CP3 was the closer. He does a good job at it, but when your PG/playmaker is that guy, you just can’t make it far. It’s fortunate that CP3 and Rose can make 3’s, but as a PG, they shouldn’t make that one of their main weapons of offense.
I think a PG’s primary role is to be the playmaker. The SG and somewhat SF is there to take on the role as a closer/shooter.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
That makes no sense.
The Hornets didn’t win championships because they weren’t good enough, not because CP3 was their closer. Put CP3 on the Magic and, not only would he probably be their closer and best player, but he’d probably make them good enough to beat the Heat, Lakers, or whoever you want.
by Stacey_Is_King on Sep 2, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
dwight and cp3
scariest combo….EVER
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
dont forget the three shooters spread out around them
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
if for some dumb reason
no trades cp3 for say, vince carter and duhon….wow….
That magic team would be good enough and deep enough to kill the miami heat…howard would put up mvp numbers next to cp3, and they would keep their defensive identity as well
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i just looked it up
the more realistic trade would be something like Nelson (forgot about him for some reason) and Pietrus for Cp3…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
The NO would
boycott the arena after that deals goes through, as Barkley said to Ed Rush before a playoff game “Hey Ed! You got any vasaline.”
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really.
Wade/Lebron.
Jordan/Pippen.
Magic/Kareem.
Kobe/Gasol.
There are definitely more examples out there.
Brewer, Gibson, and a high pick for Ray Allen and McDaniels?
I know Ray Allen is on his final contract, but we can still use him for this year to win a championship.
Perkins and Ray Allen for Noah, Gibson, and a pick.
I think the Celtics are preparing themselves for a slump. Rondo is here to stay. Allen, Pierce, Garnett are only going downhil and will soon retire. Allen and Pierce are on their last NBA contracts. Perkins is injured and probably won’t be likehe was in the past 2 years. Shaq is just a bad pickup, but that was necessary. Jermaine O’ Neal is solid, but he’s a weak center and is injury prone. I think this is the last year for a championship push by the Celtics.
Rose, Brewer, Durant, Boozer, Noah. Now that brings joy and I think it’s a realistic team in the future. By my observation, Rose and Durant are pretty much going out because they have so many similarities and get along with each other so well. Durant fulfills the SG and SF roles and somewhat the PG and PF roles.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
dude, are you seriously reading what you're typing here?
1) You say that the Bulls need a “sharpshooter”, and declare that Ray Allen is what they need to get a championship. You make this asinine trade to get an aging Ray Allen by trading two fo the youngest players on the Bulls in Brewer and Gibson. You defend this trade by saying that
“we can use him this year to win a championship.”
However you go on to say that Allen (Pierce, and Garnett)
WTF? So what is it, is Ray Allen is the sharpshooter we need on the team, or he’s going downhill?
2)
If you can think of another sharpshooter that would lead us to a championship, please tell me.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you meant another sharpshooter THAT WE CAN ACQUIRE. If that’s the case, wouldn’t Melo fit the bill? He’d definitely be better than a slumping Ray Allen (your words)
3)
I believe Rose has surpassed CP3.
Wow. Not only did you leapfrog Deron, but now he’s BETTER than Paul?
Rose: 21ppg, 4rpg, 6apg, 0.7 stl 0.7 bpg, 48.9 %fg
Paul: 19ppg, 4.rpg, 10.7 apg, 2.1spg, 0.4bpg, 49.3%fg
I’m a huge D-Rose fan, but even I know where he lies in the hierarchy of NBA PGs. It’s Paul on top, and everyone else is trying to reach him. Don’t be shortsighted in declaring Rose better than Paul just because CP3 was hurt all season, and Rose dragged his team to the Playoffs in a crappy Eastern Conference. Perspective is your best friend.
BONUS WTF POINT:
4)
NBA was crap in the early 2000s, but the Spurs also had an all-around team to win championships. They had a sharpshooter, Ginobli.
Shaq, Kobe, Tracy McGrady, Dirk, Nash, Duncan et. al would like to have a word with you. I have never seen a more consistently rugged decade in Western Conference.
yes, some parts maybe unclear
I wish I could explain everything, but I typed so much that it would’ve taken me a while to do that. Right before I passed out, I posted this :)
I still believe Rose has surpassed CP3. When CP3 even says that Rose is probably better than himself, I think that says a lot. They do have many similarities, but they have a lot more differences.
Rose is taller, quicker, more aggressive, and his jump shot is already better and further improving.
I think CP3 is recognized as one of the top PGs and is considered a superstar because besides the known names and respectable game from David West and Stojakovic, he is the only other good player on the Hornets. West and Stoja are no where near his level.
We all knew Rose would become a franchise player his rookie year. (He’s also from Chicago and he said he wouldn’t want to be anywhere else.) We’ll soon see what Boozer is truly made of, but now, Rose is the best player on the Bulls.
Many respectable superstars rave about Rose’s game. He made the all-star team his 2nd year, starting PG for the World Championship over proven PGs, Billups/Rondo, led the Bulls to the Playoffs the past two years.
Because of CP3’s skill level, I believe that’s why he’s the captain. Rose’s talent is amazing and he is on his way to being the captain even though Deng and more vocal Noah is around. He wants this role.
CP3 has accomplished many of Rose’s feats, but I think Rose has much more riding on him for only his 3rd year. CP3 had many burdens when he first started, but he’s older and his potential level is decreasing. Also, I think CP3 is known for his floater. Rose has already mastered his and made it one of the best in the NBA. He can do a floater from the free throw line!
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
rose is not better than cp3. simple fact
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
have you followed CP3 to the point where you saw him in person at games?
I’ve seen Rose in action many times. He’s just damn good and his potential is off the roof.
I have never seen CP3 in person before, but I do watch a lot of NBA on tv. By my viewer’s perspective, he’s not as good as Rose IMO.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
rose is more athletic thats it. that doesnt make him better.
Cp3 had an mvp worthy season in his third year.
I love rose too but we’re kidding ourselves right now with any talk of rose being mvp caliber yet.
If we’re talking about potential obviously rose probably has the higher ceiling but he’s not cp3 yet
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
3rd year hasn't started for Rose
Rose is a huge threat for Team USA. You can see he will be very special this 3rd year.
When you received Rookie of the Year, that’s a good sign for the future.
Anything we say about the Bulls’ 10-11’ season is pure speculation. Once we see the Bulls in action, we can start to make facts.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly its just speculation.
Cp3 is an mvp worthy player on a terrible team but an mvp level pg. Rose is not.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
just speculation for Rose
Rose is showcasing his talent with Team USA. You can see that he’s greatly improved his jumper, somewhat defense, and knowledge of the game.
Sure, he’s playing under FIBA regulations. We will see if Rose is better than CP3 his 3rd year once he NBA season starts.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
past performance is the best indicator of future results
in the past, CP3 has been significantly better than Rose – like it hasn’t been close. I can see Rose narrowing the gap some this year as he improves. But unless you’ve heard something I haven’t, why is there any reason to believe Chris Paul won’t get back to pre-injury form?
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
its not like rose is on a great team, we were mediocre at best the last two season
he just pushes us over the edge into a playoff team.
Bulls fan
To many non-Bulls fans, the Bulls maybe a joke. because of our love of the Bulls, the Bulls are the best to us.
a Wizards fan might think they have the best team in the NBA when it’s clearly not true.
The Lakers have proven themselves by winning multiple championships. Everyone knows they’re a good team.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
so basically youre admitting to homerism
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
you can say so
let’s not get too technical. maybe another time, but i’m not ready for it now.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
i think we've heard enough of your evaluations at this point
thanks to the Carmelo thread from hell.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
i just followed the one sentence definitive statement trend around BaB
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
You just aren't taking enough joy...
from the monster you have created.
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by Super-Structure on Sep 2, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
but carmelo anthony's the best SF in the league and we should trade for him by giving up a bunch of good players because he's such a big improvement from luol deng, who's obviously garbage
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Sep 3, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
also the non-title part of these posts does not exist
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
fudge
**(I’m replying in a reverse fashion, but I’m scrolling up as I type this.)
4) compared to our spoilage of the 90s Bulls, the early 2000s NBA SUCKED! The NBA was just bad. There was not as much talent as today.
3) I know statistics say a lot, but there’s a lot more riding on Rose. Rose has accomplished so much in his first 2 years. I’ve never followed CP3 very deeply. Didn’t he break out in his 3rd year? Rose broke out last year and began some of that his rookie season.
2) any team with Melo will be better. we’re talking about a big contract that the Bulls can’t provide unless we trade somebody. I think the Bulls are content with their lineup and will make more moves once the season starts.
1) if we have Rose, Allen, Deng, Boozer, and Noah, you don’t think we can go all the way? We would have a much younger/athletic and versatile version of the Cs during their prime. We have a deep bench. Allen is still a sharpshooter, yet he’s going downhill. It would still be worth it to acquire him this year. Why wait until next year or any year? Winning the championship should be every team’s goal every year.
The Lakers won last season’s championship. They have a decent bench, but it’s no where near the Bulls’ bench. We have Watson, Korver, Gibson, Johnson, and Asik. The Lakers have a much of goons, that I believe are mostly there for fanfare(LA…actors). The Lakers starting lineup has much talent that they don’t need a deep bench. The Lakers remind me of the 90s so much especially with Phil Jackson. It’s a new generation of basketball, so the two teams can’t be considered very similar.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
very deep bench
I realized that we also have Kurt Thomas. We have a VERY deep bench.
I think you can compare the Bulls to the Magic. The Magic have all the pieces, but they are missing a crucial piece. They signed Vince Carter to be the person that finishes game and provide an offensive threat at SG. However, he was signed when he was well out of his prime.
Ray Allen only going downhill makes his acquisition iffy, but he would still be a solid addition and he would definitely play younger since the Bulls is full of young players.
by benny the bull on Sep 2, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
play younger?
Care to elaborate? I don’t get that statement. I would think playing with much younger players would only make it more obvious that he’s old as dirt.
Chris Paul went from very good to great his 3rd year.
His first two years are both better than Rose’s first two years.
Rose is not as a good as Paul, and you have basically admitted you have no idea how good Paul is, you’re just assuming Rose is better.
dont know if you saw the lakers/celtics series but the lakers' 3pt shooting was atrocious
they won that series through rebouding/defense first
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i read ur 1st line and said fk it
haters get no love
I reject your reality... and substitute my own.
Echoing sin --
who exactly is the “sharpshooter” on the Lakers? Or the 2006 Heat? Or the 2004 Pistons?
Thats
a good point. When the Sixers made the finals they didn’t have a sharpshooter, nor did those Nets teams, unless you call Lucious Harris and Kerry Kittles sharpshooters.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
McKie was the shooter
But the entire offense for Philly was built around AI, who jacked the most 3s. Kukoc would have been a great shooter had he been able to stay healthy. Kittles and Kidd shared the duties in NJ , as Kenyon Martin used to be a dangerous low post threat in those days.
side note
I watched the 1998 Finals Game 5 of Bulls-Jazz… and I never realized this till then… Toni Kukoc is the spitting image of Hugh Jackman.
And since this picture already exists, I can tell I’m not the first one to notice:


Korver?
We need a sharpshooter to play in the championship.
He is a piece, hopefully
joined, by an assassin, Melo
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
this spawned alot of replies
so I hope this isn’t too late, or got mentioned in side tangents.
1) Didn’t Ray Allen sign with Boston? And seeing that your post was September 1st, I thought it happened over a month ago. Maybe I missed something, or you were referring to down the road.
2) Kobe is not the Lakers’ “sharpshooter”, at least not yet. While it may feel like it at times when he drains three 3’s in three straight trips down the court, the sharpshooters for the Lakers are Fisher, Vujacic, and hopefully Blake and Artest (Ron still has alot of work to do). A sharpshooter is generally defined as someone who performs most catch and shoot work, coming off of screens or waiting for the kickout from the post.
Now, when I said “not yet,” it’s my hope that as Kobe slows down (by slowing down, I mean speed and quickness), I’m hoping he becomes a Reggie Miller-like 3 point sharpshooter. Of course LA will still work him on the elbow and the low post, but the Kobe-iso will become a thing of the past. I also look for him to move to the SF position, where he might be able to take advantage of what quickness he has left against generally bigger players. This only works though if the Lakers can acquire a somewhat dangerous dribble penetration threat to start at SG or PG in the next 2-3 years.
better that Boozer says it than Doug Thonus
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions
So you're laying of Tyger now and going after Thonus again?
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
actually
in the context of that one post, Doug isn’t even going out on a limb much. but all summer it’s been ‘douchebag’ this, and ‘bitch’ that, for a team that clearly kicked our ass in free agency. I’d prefer to focus on the Bucks and Hawks. Or, ya know, the Bulls.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
IMO, if the Bulls were able to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals
that would be a HUGE accomplishment and confidence booster for the team. I would be esctatic if the Bulls did this!
I could see the Bulls finishing anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the East
depending on how quickly they jell, injuries, and how Boston and Milwaukee look. But I don’t see them beating Orlando or even challenging Miami until there is a serious upgrade in firepower.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
firepower aka melo
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
but the more I think about it, the more I believe Redick would have been perfect for this team. The Bulls should have overspent for a need. There is a lot of pressure on Korver to have the best season in his career by putting up volume and efficiency.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I still would've cringed at the Redick-Deng-Boozer
triumvirate of unathleticism. But we probably do need shooting way more than anything else.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
MELO,
is the answer, an Elite scorer eliminates the sharpshooter need, Melo #1 priority on the Bulls would be to score, my concern is Melo’s shot selection, he cleans up his shot selection he can be an even better scorer, and thats scary.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
If they could have gotten Redick and then subsequently made the rumored Melo deal, they would have been pretty stacked and JJ
and Boozer would have been the only weak athletes.
Rose
Redick
Melo
Boozer
Noah
Asik, Watson, Kurt Thomas, Lu Amundson
would have been pretty nice, I think.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 2, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
His second year in the nba
he put up 558 shots and hit 40.5% of them. He’s certainly capable of putting up the numbers the Bulls need without even having a career year. Korver said himself that Sloan told him to shoot less, but if Thibs gives him the green light, I expect big things.
boozer also believed noah was what? 7'2?
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Why does Westbrook look so much more athletic than Rose nowadays?
In my mind I always thought Rose was the slightly superior athlete, now after watching these USA games, it feels completely different. Westbrook dunked like 19 times today, while Rose was jogging around the court tossing up floaters. What the hell is going on?
Superteams suck.
i pressed enter too early, my bad.
I say he doesnt have the creative license because he’s the starter, and has to think about setting up KD, Billups et al. He also has to defer to Durant, who’s a more proven and efficient scorer.
Westbrook on the other hand can just go balls-out off the bench, in the D-Wade sixth man mold in 2008.
Different roles, yeah? My thoughts…
Yea, I was thinking that could be the case also
Problem with that theory is, even when Rose is looking to score he looks pretty underwhelming. He’s had a few nice drives and layups here and there, but for the most part, he’s having trouble getting past everyone in the halfcourt, and all of his shots are little floaters. He doesn’t attack the basket at all.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe cuz it isnt actually the nba season
Roses place in the nba and westbrooks place are completely different. Rose is the centerpiece of a team, westbrook is an awesome luxury. Westbrook has something to prove to the league and its fans, he needs to show his greatness…rose has to win games without injury. Theres also personality, rose just inst flamboyant, rose will settle for a layup on a fastbreak cuz it takes less energy and it makes it easier for him to get back, while westbrook will dunk it to make a mark on the other team saying “hey…im on the thunder too…pay attention”.
If boozer and deng play well this season on offense, expect rose to be flashier…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Durant's the man on his team and he's dunkin' and flying around...
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
yea but i still dont think durant is trying
hes like 6-11 and deceivingly explosive…i havent seen a single guy in this entire tourney that has been really able to defend durant, and he isnt really forcing the contact either
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Durant's 7 feet now according to rumor
scary, scary thought …
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
cant wait for the mythological SF battle between a 7-3 kevin durant
and a 6-10 320 lb lebron james: whoever loses gets their pituitary gland removed.
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by TheMoon on Sep 3, 2010 3:16 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah one of them is playing scrubminutes most of the time
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
He was bashing Rose before it became cool, Juicebox is good people.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
very true
if one wants to be on the bash-rose bandwagon, JBJ has been driving in every game thread the past two years.
I’m wavering. he used to be infallible. Then the Bulls tried to BS me into saying we don’t need LeBron because we have him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
when did the Bulls try to BS people... nevermind
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's shared responsibility
them, fans, my own mind…
the appropriate thing would be for them, upon failing at getting the top free agents, to hold a press conference and fire themselves. anything less is implicating them as non-failures :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
actually after 4 seconds of introspection, maybe Rose is back to infallible to me
i mean, its not like we’re getting a better PG. and he’ll be quite good even if he never gets to the very elite.
Just that he kind of needs to be a top-5 player for the Bulls to be great, ya know? Else we’re hoping for other positions of the roster to improve, which may be even tougher given our self-imposed financial constraints.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Has anything happened to make you believe that he won't be a top 5 player?
by Option27 on Sep 2, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you ever see him being better than LBJ, Dwight, Durant, or CP3? I don't.
That’s 4 guys that will likely always be better than him. Then there are loads of other guys that are currently better than him that will be so for another few years – like Wade.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Sep 2, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see Rose ever surpassing CP3 in terms of production.
He has a long way to go to even be in the conversation.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just thinking Paul will be 3 to 4 years older
by Option27 on Sep 2, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed.
paul’s injuries will significantly impact the longevity of his career and i dont think he’ll be able to maintain his top tier play for that many more seasons as young as he is.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
well, I'm reassured
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
my future 3
1) durant
2) lebron
3)wade
4)howard
5) cp3/dwill/rose
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry
but all of these future rankings are a bit ridiculous. no player drafted with or after rose is even considered. this is just today’s top players (at least the younger ones) and rose tossed in because he will continue to get better. But still, other people will get better too, the guard will change and all that. Guys like Griffin, or Tyreke Evans, or hell even Rubio might have the same chance. One thing is to say that in 4 years Rose will be better than Cp3 (debatable, but still) and totally another thing to say that he’ll be the top pg in the nba.
good point let me rearrange
durant
lebron
wade
howard
cp3/dwill/rose/john wall
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
i get that him becoming a top 5 player
would make Bulls management jobs easier. But its so rare to get a guy who can be a top 5 player, and it isn’t easy to predict who can develop. Instead of being bitter at Rose for not being better, i prefer to be bitter at the organization for not putting together a better team. Because remember, organizations win championships.
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You just want to be bitter.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I prefer being bitter at everyone
Dammit, Benny the Bull! IF ONLY YOU HAD PERFECTLY NAILED THAT ‘LEBRON, COME TO CHICAGO’ ROUTINE!!!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
i read that as "you just want to be hitler" for some reason
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 3, 2010 4:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Moving the location of the Fanshots is definitely akin to invading Russia.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 3, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
I’ll move them back before the season, I swear. I do like the new tagline, it serves as a constant tease.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 3, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
as will the rest of the season
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Either that or bring back commenter executions.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Sep 3, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you!
I’ve finally built up some equity in this place, and it only took me about 2 and a half years, and thousands of insults to get here
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Sep 2, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
look, you fretting person, at the facts.
According to DraftExpress
-Rose has a pretty good advantage on no step and max vert.
-Westbrook is a little stronger.
-Westbrook is quicker.
- Rose is a little faster
Let me throw another category in: body control. go to 82games and look at westbrooks finishing around the rim. pretty bad for a 2nd option with that raw athleticism, right? rose is worlds better in this category. huge worlds. so rose isnt dunking on tunisians, who cares?
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by TheMoon on Sep 2, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
He's also bricked a ton of layups, and just isn't as good.
Derrick is a known commodity. From time to time he’ll do something insane, but he’s not always trying to. Meanwhile, Westbrook is always pedal to the metal, often out of control and yelling after each of his dunks. They have different personalities and roles, and they’re completely different people.
jokes aside
i think were going to have a Cavs-like season atleast. Be awesome during the reg. season, blowing out lame competition and then falling just a tad bit short to either Boston or ORlando
I reject your reality... and substitute my own.
While I love that thats being talked about again..
the Bulls are a Star SG or a Star 3 away from a chip maybe even both.
we are so mellow without melo
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
star 3?
But haven’t you heard that we’ve got this stud named Luol who is an excellent defender and drops triple doubles on fools from Macedonia and is almost as awesome as Melo. Not to mention that he’s gonna take a step back this year so that his long 2’s will be 3’s now. THEN, the sky will open and it will rain Jordan sneakers, and money will grow on trees, but it won’t matter cuz p#ssy will all of a sudden be FREE. Deng/Brewer FTW.
by Rosenscrubs on Sep 2, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
lol
No team will dunk on us all season
by Rosenscrubs on Sep 2, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
When I clicked the link, I thought it was gonna be the E-40 Captain Save ‘Em video. Guess I’m a bit old school though
nothing wrong with some old school
[trys to find Hall of Game CD]
man, fuck you! by palmpre on Sep 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
Could explain to me how CP3 is better then DRose. I've never seen CP play before
by palmpre on Sep 2, 2010 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lol
(i’m just going to assume that was a joke)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 2, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Booz
I believe this team has the tools to win it all. This is the first time since MJ that that could be said… but now it’s up to them. I’m looking forward to seeing how hard they will work and how well they can gel but I agree with him, the could do it.
by xFIB on Sep 2, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
i think they have the tools to win the east if they play absolutely flawless and rose blossoms into an mvp caliber pg
But noah/boozer is never ever going to beat gasol/bynum
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Just kick Bynum
in the knee and he’ll be out of comission, lol!
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
thats when phil counters by offering noah weed to throw the game
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Sep 2, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL!! I bet Phil knows where
to get that good Cali green!!! He probably has a perscription for it.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Sep 2, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
we counter by having some interesting open-heart surgery for Gasol to witness
huzzah!
Also, we probably don’t need to hit Bynum in the knee, he’ll do it himself. :P
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I'll believe it when Taj comes out and says it.
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by chapuforyou on Sep 2, 2010 3:20 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Hard work, dedication. Hard work, dedication
LuolDeng9
On my way to workout with jo kim and get up some shots, already back at it.
by Option27 on Sep 2, 2010 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I bet they
Each brought their hard hat and lunch pale
by Basketball Smurf on Sep 2, 2010 6:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I just think it's cute he has a nickname for Noah.
Also for a guy who does Bikram yoga he never looks particularly flexible.
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by Ozzie Montana on Sep 2, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
LuolDeng9
just did Bikram yoga, its as hot as Africa in that room. lol wow
He would know, he’s African.
by NittanyCub on Sep 3, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
but did the people smell like dead donkeys?
-Danny Granger
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Sep 3, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions
when you think people can't get any more stupid
enters Granger
by JustAnotherFan on Sep 3, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i bet joakim camps out in the gym
True Story: joakim noah is Chuck norris
man, fuck you! by palmpre on Sep 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT
That's every nba player goal and dream
is to get to the finals and win a nba championship………….if you don’t believe that as a nba player, then you shouldn’t be playing at all and i wouldn’t want you on my team that i support, which is the bulls……….that’s why i like the new players like Boozer on the bulls……..everyone knows it’s partly about the money but it shouldn’t be all about playing for the money, winning a championship is a big accomplishment for most players
Derrick Rose has infected everyone!
That’s leadership for you!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Sep 3, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
















