Rudy Fernandez Update
Fernandez wants a prominent role as much as McGrady does, judging by the 25-year-old’s well-chronicled pining for minutes in Portland. But sources with knowledge of the Bulls’ thinking have maintained for days that they would rather gamble on trying to fit in the Spaniard -- whose 3-point shooting fills what they see as a greater need -- than the two-time scoring champ.
In one of its proposals to Portland, sources said, Chicago has offered to absorb Fernandez's modest $1.25 salary for next season with cap space in exchange for a future first-round pick.
Sources say Portland, however, has believed that it can do better in a Fernandez deal and is holding out for more, even though New York also balked at the Blazers' demands this week and elected to sign Roger Mason to a bargain one-year deal at the veteran minimum of $1.4 million.
It’s widely assumed that the Blazers want Taj Gibson back from the Bulls, but sources say Chicago is not about to include Gibson in Fernandez talks. James Johnson is the best young player Chicago has made available.
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I am hoping my monday ends with news stating
that rudy has been traded to the chicago bulls…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
and james johnson has become a blazer
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 7, 2010 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions
i like the scenario where thats all we give up
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 7, 2010 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions
James Johnson is the best young player Chicago has made available.
That’s a funny statement.
I hope this deal gets done somehow, but I doubt it happens now. Rudy’s value can’t possibly drop any lower than a future first round pick, even if he just sits on the bench next season. His salary is still low and teams know that he’s talented. Nothing will be worse a year from now. By short selling Rudy it sets a really bad precedent. I bet they just keep him and hope his value goes up.
He can’t leave because Europe honors NBA contracts. He really doesn’t have a choice. Also, at some point you have to think Kahn will try and overpay for Rudy, if he still has a job.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nah, i dont see Kahn doing that
he only makes colossally bad moves, this wouldnt be that bad relative to his other signings
It really wouldn't be bad at all.
I’m surprised he hasn’t gone after Rudy yet. They aren’t set at SG and Rubio and Rudy are good friends.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
his value will drop
because in a year he will be 1 year away from Spain and won’t have played a significant minute for most of the season. So yes, his value will drop.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 7, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
His value to his new team will drop
but I dont see his trade value dropping if things stay status quo until after the trade deadline. After that point it will drop dramatically.
No it won't.
A first round pick from the Bulls (unless it’s the Bobcat’s pick) is likely to be very low. Portland buys one of those almost every draft. They paid cash to get the Hornets pick two seasons ago and then again paid cash to move up ten spots last draft.
Basically the Bulls pick (probably in the 20’s) is worth about 3 million in cash, which is approximately what the Blazers would save just by GIVING Rudy to the Bulls. To some cash conscious teams that might be worth something, but Paul Allen just paid a couple million for an extra second round pick. He doesn’t care about saving 3 million.
Trading Rudy for a low first round pick is almost the same as giving him away. His value can’t possibly drop below free.
Also, the market can’t get any smaller. The Mavs just lost Rodrigue Beaubois to a foot injury. There’s a great possibility that more teams will be in need of a starting caliber SG by the trade deadline.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
but teams aren't going to be willing to give up more because the risk
doesn’t change. You are telling me that a top team, after losing a starter during the season, is going to give up more than a 1st round pick to acquire Rudy – a guy who was terrible last year and who hasn’t played most of this year? I don’t think so. What are you expecting his value to be in 3 months? Where do you see his value going up too? I don’t see anyone trading a starter for Rudy. Its not like in 3 months the Bulls are going to trade Taj for Rudy. So his value will always be middle to low 1st round pick or back up player. Regardless if Portland can just buy another pick, his value to the rest of the league doesn’t change.
I don’t see a team like Minnesota or New Jersey trading for Rudy because the draft pick is obviously more valuable. I just have a hard time seeing the value rising for Portland’s 5th guard during the season. More teams may be willing to trade for Rudy, but I don’t think some bidding war is going to break out. Its not like you are going to get a lottery pick for him near the deadline. Why would a lottery team trade for Rudy? Why would anyone trade a young prospect for a guy who is threatening to go oversees? Portland’s leverage is that they don’t have to trade him, but that doesn’t mean his value goes up. No one is desperate for Rudy’s services now, and I don’t think that changes in 3 months. If anything, the market may get more crowded as other guys become available.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 7, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
and you also have to keep in mind that Rudy is trying to go to specific places
and given that Spanish players have a penchant for going and staying oversees if they don’t like what is happening in their NBA careers, that limits the amount of teams that will be willing to trade for rudy.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 7, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
A couple things.
Rudy wasn’t “terrible” last season. He was average, which is disappointing given the expectations for Rudy, but not bad by any stretch of the imagination. He still hit threes, had great stretches and actually improved quite a bit on defense. He basically had the same PER as Mike Miller, Ben Gordon, Delonte West. Anthony Morrow, etc. Not exactly great, but certainly not terrible.
Second of all, who cares what the risks are for other teams? The risk to the Blazers can’t possibly get any worse. If Rudy leaves the Blazers and goes back to Spain in a couple years then so what? They lost him for nothing, but still had a pretty good player on the roster for two season. Depth is not a bad thing and two years is a long time. Is a late first round pick worth more than two seasons of a having a productive backup shooting guard? Maybe, but probably not.
You really don’t think the Blazers will be able to get a late first round pick for Rudy three months from now? He could pout for three months straight, demand minutes, skip practice, threaten the coach, punch Batum in the face, and they would still be able to get a late first round pick.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the Blazers will be able to get more than a mid to late first round pick for
Rudy three months for now. I think they are waiting for nothing. I don’t think his value will rise and I think if he isn’t traded by deadline his value will drop.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 7, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
There are several plausible scenarios that can come about which will increase demand for Rudy's talents
Team injuries, push to make the playoffs, or in a possible case for the Bulls, poor offense due to lack of good perimeter shooting.
I tend to think Charlotte’s pick is a good deal for both sides. A pick in the teens is not a golden ticket. The Blazers traded Martell Webster for the #16 pick this year and saved money in the process.
So I agree with NVE that Chicago’s own 1st round pick is not that attractive since it’ll probably be in the mid 20’s. Blazers don’t need to trade Rudy for a pick in the mid 20’s. Paul Allen buys them.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Agreed
Rudy was a malcontent and the low first round pick will always be there because thats what he is worth. He’s not a game changer. He’s a piece to fit around other pieces. Does he fit in trailblazer land? it looks like he might be more trouble than he’s worth so if you want to wait it out then do so but I don’t think there will be another bidder out there who will give you anything more than a project and a first round pick.
The teams that would give a little bit more would probably be in the same conference as your team.
Just because Allen will buy picks doesn’t mean he doesn’t value first round picks.
3 Million is 3 million,
Not when you're worth $22.5 billion.
They’ve been stashing first round picks overseas because there just isn’t room on the roster.
They still have the rights to a bunch of recent first round picks. Victor Claver (22nd), Joel Freeland (30th), Petteri Koponen (30th).
What’s the point in stockpiling another first round pick when you have three first round picks you can’t even bring over because your roster is too crowded? Is a late first rounder going to be more deserving of a roster spot than Joel Freeland or Victor Claver? I really doubt it.
They might as well just let Rudy rot on the bench.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think if it's just the Bulls first rounder, then yeah it's a steal
I personally think that if the Bulls give up that Charlotte pick, everyone wins.
I’d hate to give up a draft pick that has such promise, but for a player that fits perfectly into what you’re trying to do, I’d do it.
As for James Johnson, I feel like the Bulls should offer another pick if they expect anyone to take his talentless ass.
Yeah, I completely agree.
The Charlotte pick makes a lot more sense and I think it will get done if the Bulls decide to give it up. The Blazers may still wait to see what happens after Rudy plays with his National team. He’s almost certainly going to play well which can only improve his value.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Which is apparently how much value he has right now.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Torn ACL's can't even talk.
Your argument makes no sense.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus I try not to think about torn ACL's.
It’s bad luck.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm against giving up the Charlotte pick because it may be the Bulls only chance to
bring in top flight talent in 4 years if Rose and Noah are killing it and leaving this team as a perennial 50 win team. Sort of like what Utah did this season, but hopefully with someone better than Hayward.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 7, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what ya mean but teams that are ready to go for it all (like I think the Bulls would be if they traded for Rudy) really don't need to gamble on draft picks anymore
You think Miami, LA or Orlando give a shit about draft picks? They’re going for it all at any cost.
I’m suck of being that fan that always hopes to hit the jackpot in the draft in order to get to the next level.
They’re close enough as it is. Fuck it, and just go for it
Unfortunately for us
Portland probably knows what we’ve been discussing here recently: the Bulls will be a terrible 3 point shooting team. There should be virtually no chance that the Bulls pull their 1st + cap space offer for Rudy before this years trade deadline. Barring injury or an ugly football style holdout, of course. This could be long and frustrating.
Lets do the deal on our terms
The Bulls have to do their best to keep as many of their first round picks as they can. Come midseason when teams know they may be out of the race there will be plenty of wing players available that are better for the bulls than rudy. Some possibilities are…. Ariza, Battier, Iguodala, anthony parker, granger, corey brewer, steven jackson, gerald wallace, Childress, Jason richardson, dudley, rasual butler, fransisco garcia, and omri casspi. If the bulls can keep their future firsts until mid season they can possibly package a few of those firsts and taj for a player like iguodala or granger which would put the bulls right there with miami. My hope is the bulls dont give up a good first rounder for rudy, save them for a real game changer.
Church to that! Rudy can't stick D for shit and is an up and down streaky shooter from 3.
He aint worth what all their asking. Their overvaluing the shit out of him. JJ and a future 1st rounder is more than enough……their trying to get over! Taj>Rudy!
Taj is more valuable than Rudy for sure.
If Rudy is a “streaky shooter from 3” then a consistent three point shooter doesn’t exist. I’ve seen him stick D for shit a few times. I guess you could call him a streaky defender.
by Nick Van Excellent on Aug 7, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
1st and James Johnson.
if they can do better elsewhere than good for them. I just don’t like how I’ve seen so many teams on the trading block get an offer from the Bulls then go on to say no then at the trade deadline do the exact same deal with someone else.
Gibson is a keeper we have had too much turnover and we need to keep some consistency from last year
Blazers are annoying
Fernandez needs to throw a tantrum and put pressure on Portland to trade him.
don't let the bed bugs bite
I know it's kinda of crazy to think but I honestly think....
adding Rudy would make the bulls serious contenders. What he brings to the table is exactly what the they need. Another player who can shoot the three ball and is overall just a good baseketball player. Where going to win with team ball and he only strengthens the team even more. If they pull this off, I think he would end up starting.
Lastly, the more clips I watch on brewer, I think he looks more like a Small forward. What you guys think. Him and deng have similar game. The only difference is deng as a better jump shot and brewer can drive to the basket better.
just check this team out very deep…
pg rose and watson
sg rudy and korver , brewer
sf deng and bogan
pf boozer, Gibson
C noah, thomas
am i missing anybody?
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