Sheridan: Rondo on the bubble? Rose to start again.
[From the FanShots. Can't argue whether this is a great move or not for the team, I'm just happy Rondo may have some disappointment in his life. -ed.]
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This makes me feel good for some reason.
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Aug 24, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He's honestly expendable on this team
The team needs scoring. Keeping Rondo does not help that. That’s why I think that there is little chance Granger gets cut. The only thing that they would miss Rondo for is his perimeter defense. They certainly won’t miss his locker room presence or jumpshooting. But he’s my least favorite player in the NBA (besides LeBron), so I’m not exactly rational when it comes to Rondo.
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by chibullsareback on Aug 24, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What about his rebounding?
After Love and Chandler, Rondo is the next best rebounder.
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by NBA Observer on Aug 24, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Durant can grab some boards...
But Rondo is good rebounder for his position.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Odd, but reasonable
I still think that something else is up. Why would he start Rondo 2 straight games if this wa a possibility? We already knew that he could not shoot and among the remaining point guards (not counting Curry) he is physically the weakest. Also, Rose, Billups and Westbrook can all play off guard if necessary but Rondo would be absolutely useless as a 2. He also made some really dumb plays against Lithuania (cross court bounce pass to a guy in the corner? Ugh.)
Still, is it worth keeping a Kevin Love? Personally I think Granger is gone. Aside from his strong showing against China in that scrimmage he has been pretty awful his self. And Iguodala and Gay are easily outperforming him at the 3.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions
No way they cut Kevin love
He’s a great fit in the international game and we don’t have any size to spare.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 24, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
You got
to have Gay-Love on the US squad.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Aug 24, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
is sessions american?
Gay-Love-Sessions would be sick.
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Aug 24, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that would be awesome.
But he’s like a Rajon Rondo-lite.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
we made this joke already when Gay hadn't signed his contract in the off-season.
do people forget the times leading up to Lebron not coming to us?
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
i stayed far away from the comments section
just read the stories….. comments were too many and just pointless/awful
Practice beats talent when talent doesn't practice.
by iamsasquatch on Aug 24, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Love
But even before banging his head on the floor he was getting limited minutes. And he is a very bad defender too.
This team is not going to win with size. Only Odom and Durant have been good among guys 6’10" and taller. Chandler, in spite of the occasional block or two, has been inadequate defensively and he never had an offensive game to begin with.
I hope he can get more minutes against Greece so we can see what he can do, but if Coach K. only gives him a few minutes again then it is hard to imagine he will be on the squad.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If odom or Chandler go down with an injury or ge into foul trouble, he'll play a lot
Pat Riley is the devil.
Play well?
That is the question. If he won’t be effective then his size will be irrelevant.
I prefer to think that Coach K. has reasons for not playing him. Of course if he gets some quality minutes tomorrow then my point will be moot.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I think loves pretty awesome personally
The point is we’ll need someone to play center if Chandler gets into foul trouble which probably will happen at some point.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Again, I like Love too
But he has shown next to nothing in the limited minutes he has been given. And if all he can contribute is rebounds and the occasional outlet pass then I would rather go small.
I know that some aspects of his game appeal to the international game, but it hurts that he is a weak defender and not particularly physical. Also, with team a team with infinite depth in the backcourt can he run the floor with the likes of speedy Rose and Westbrook? Is he only useful in a half-court set?
It’s the same situation with Rondo being cut (which makes our conversation kind of irrelevant, but no less enjoyable.) Rondo is considered a top 5 PG in the NBA but apparently there was no space for him on the US team. The point can undoubtedly be argued that he should not have been cut at all but their are also many reasons why the cut is valid. Same could be said for Love if he was the one to go.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Javale Mcgee
showed more than Love. But NBA reputation got in the way.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 24, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The rebounding part is pretty important
And I don’t think he’s that weak of a defender, particularly when you pair him next to an athletic 4.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Indeed
And against big front lines he can be valuable, but I still think his value is selective. He’s more of a circumstantial player in the tournament.
Well, he’s on the team. I hope he does get some good minutes tomorrow so we can see what he can do. If he can do his rebounding and ball-movement thing effectively then that is a plus.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Has he been shooting 3's?
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He hasn't really had the minutes to try
Really has just come in at garbage time. If I am correct he’s also been nursing a sore calf.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's a possibility because he started him.
And got a long look and didn’t like what he saw against international competition. Maybe he looked great in practice so he got the starts, and then quickly realized he wasn’t what the team needed after seeing him on the court.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll need Love's size
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Looks like the Bulls aren't the only team that is having trouble finding a legit 2 guard
by regui8er on Aug 24, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Rondo is the guy I would cut.
You would still have Rose/Billups/Westbrook/Curry capable of playing the point. You have a variety of athletic threes in Iggy and Gay and you have a three who can hit the three in Granger. Gordon is capable of playing the 2 just fine, and Kevin Durant is of course the star of the team. Then Odom, Love, and Chandler are players you absolutely can’t cut. Team USA needs as many big men as they can get, and Love and Chandler are the only two players on the team that play like big men.
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Why cut Rondo but keep Westbrook?
Rondo can rebound and play D. Westbrook is a nice player, but if you want to be objective about it Rondo is better. This sounds like a hook-up for KD’s teammate.
I think Rondo is a better player.
But a bad fit for the team, and redundant with Derrick Rose (who needs big minutes and who is better suited for the international game.)
I would rank Rondo as the third best player at the World Championships (after Durant and Rose), but I would still strongly consider cutting him.
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Better suited? A decent coach would find a way to use Rondo and Rose.
Rondo is the best passer on this team and you can’t find minutes for him?
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 24, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
boston can mask his shooting issues whereas in fiba play theyre prob going to take advantage alot
This team has so many weak points already that have a guard who can’t shoot is going to hurt the team alot
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 24, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
With Rondo
on the court you’ll see alot of zone
by QUINTEN DALEY on Aug 24, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
to be fair, westbrook cant shoot either.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
That's true. I think RW has looked more confident than Rondo in the International Games.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 24, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
His outside stroke is at least somewhat passable
And he made a few threes in previous games. Rondo’s stroke is just horrid. FIBA zones completely take him out of the offense as a result.
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by Ben R on Aug 24, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i dnt know about strokes but their shooting numbers over 82 games were almost identical.
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- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
i really do think being KD's teammate is part of it.
and maybe everyone hates Rondo. i’d like to know if he and Derrick actually talk, or just glare at one another.
this has nothing to do with being kd's teammate imo because then green wouldnt have been cut
Rondo is by far the better player. But westbrook is stronger which better suits the fiba style imo. Id easily take rondo over westbrook with handchecking rules though
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Westbrook can play the 2.
He’s 6’4’’, long, and uber-athletic. Rondo, while he can surely guard 2s quite well (and rebounds like a 3, for some reason), is still only 6’1’’.
but his hands are each like a foot long
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Westbrook
Has a working relationship with the team’s best player (Durant). That kind of playing together rhythm is hard to learn on the fly, so I think that helps Westbrook’s cause. Plus Westbrook is as good a defender (more physical, less risk oriented)….
He’s not as good a passer or rebounder, but he has an edge with close ties to Durant’s game.
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Westbrook has been playing better in practice and in the games
the only reason to keep Rondo over him is rep
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 24, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
It is KD’s team after all. If it’s close, why not opt for chemistry & keeping the alpha dog happy?
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by chibullsareback on Aug 24, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one who thinks Westbrook is better?
I honestly don’t think it was a difficult decision at all.
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 24, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know who is better when it comes to NBA basketball
But I see no reason to disagree. Rondo’s game didn’t translate as well to the international level, it happens. With Rose clearly taking the job, Rondo doesn’t offer much, and you need to keep Love around, even if he doesn’t do much, you have to have some size there as an option.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as NBA basketball, Rondo just does far more
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Up until this coming year Rondo has been on a FAR FAR better team.
That’s huge for a PG.
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 24, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well as long as you put it like that...
Tough to argue I guess.
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 24, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not sure what you're trying to say...
Rondo is the better basketball player, and it’d take a very good argument to prove otherwise. I’m not talking better for Team USA, which isn’t as clear.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 25, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean an argument like...
Rondo’s still better.
Yeah, I think you know exactly what I’m trying to say.
I don’t buy it.
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 25, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
rondo has enough disappointment in life when he looks in the mirror
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 24, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
and also rondo sounds so down after one dnp. man up dude
Rose would never talk like that :)
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
I'd cut Westbrook before rondo
But fuck rondo.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 24, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This might be the greatest thing I've ever read
After losing his job as the starting point guard to Derrick Rose last weekend in Madrid, Rondo’s stock has fallen to the point where it now appears he is third on the point guard depth chart behind Rose and Russell Westbrook.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Makes absolutely no sense
I’d much rather have Rondo on the team before Westbrook. He just does so much more.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Rondo's problem is that he's an even worse shooter than Westbrook
But yeah, I agree, he’s better than Westbrook is overall. But you can’t play him at SG since he can’t shoot for shit, and if they want Rose to be the starter, Rondo really doesn’t bring much value off the bench.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Westbrook is a worse passer/more turnover prone but equally skilled at D and rebounding and can shoot better. Is Rondo that much better than Westbrook? He is better but Westbrook’s ability to be halfway decent at shooting is a much in international play
He's not equal at rebounding (where'd that come from)
and I personally think that if the Thunder had Rondo, they could’ve been a WCF team last year
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They might have been better, but the Thunder's main problem is lack of production up front.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 24, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Westbrook was better last season with a 8.2 TRB% to Rondo's 7.5
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
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by snley on Aug 25, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think Westbrook and Rondo are pretty equal actually
And that’s not a knock on Rondo because Russell Westbrook is really good.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
ha
to me thats very similar to jordans statement about Pippen being the Lebron of his generation….
Westbrook and rondo are pretty equal…and Rose is better than westbrook….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
The scary thing though
Is that I think it’s Westbrook who has more a chance to get to Rose’s level than Rondo. Westbrook isn’t far off at all, and while not a good shooter, he’s improving there, and his D is superior to Derrick’s, and he’s probably pretty close in the speed dept, which ultimately is Derrick’s biggest strength.
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Rondo just cut cut. Wow.
USA Basketball announced its final roster for the World Championship on Tuesday, cutting Rajon Rondo to get down to 12 players.
Rondo had started the team’s scrimmage against China last Saturday, as well as its first two exhibition games. But he was replaced in the starting lineup by Russell Westbrook for the second half of Saturday’s game against Lithuania, and by Derrick Rose for Sunday’s game against Spain. In fact, he didn’t play at all in the U.S. Team’s thrilling 86-85 victory.
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/08/24/rondo-cut-to-finalize-roster/
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Aug 24, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
and where is juiceboxjerry? he must be loving this shit
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Oh, you have no idea :)
This is seriously the best basketball related news since the Boozer signing for me
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 24, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
bulls do sign and draft a lot of dukies...
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Aug 24, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
yes, they do draft a lot of dookie.
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by dantheman3k on Aug 24, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Dear Rondo
don’t take the Gilbert Arenas route after getting cut.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Aug 24, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think this season will show that Rondo is more of a top 5-6 PG not top 3. He is so overrated its crazy….not that this is a big indication of this. Still he hasn’t really been playing that well and doesn’t even fit with the build and people still think he should be on the team because he dazzled them last playoffs.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
I think it was a bad decision
but not as bad as I thought before. I still think Westbrook isn’t good.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Spears . .
Team USA announces it cuts Celtics guard Rajon Rondo from World Championship roster. Rondo didn’t play in last exhibition in Spain.
I don't believe this for a second
USABB’s Colangelo said Rondo withdrew since he had “some family matters to attend to and some things to take care of before the NBA season.”
From Spears’ Twitter
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Aug 24, 2010 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
dude definitely withdrew since he knew he was getting cut
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
yea
i mean in the article earlier, he had a lot to say about not playing that last couple of games and being on the bubble.. but no family problems…
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
Faimly issuses
another way of saying he got cut, same way the grion problem was used for Gilbert.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Aug 24, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Awwww, shucks.
Coach, I forgot – there’s this family matter I have to attend to, it’s been hanging over my head for the past three months, and I just plum forgot.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
haha, Gilbert Arenas'd
I spoke too soon.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Aug 24, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
before ray allen came to boston and started having his obi wan influence over rondo, rondo
was known as a bit of a headcase. maybe something like that is going on here.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
He was also known as
buster, trash, garbage, stiff, wet, terrible, horrible.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Aug 24, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He's still known as something of a headcase
Doc Rivers talks of it quite a bit.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Looks like they just did
Yeah but it worked!
by Dils on Aug 24, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love how all the Rondo folks are like
All he has to do is just work on his shooting a bit and he could be the best PG in the NBA bar none.
I think he’s had what 24-25 years of working on his shooting…..it’s just not going to improve much beyond where it is now. It’s one thing to improve your form from college to year 1 in the NBA, but after 4-5 years, and no real improvement on the jump shot, Rondo’s shot more or less is what it is.
He may be able to get a bit better, but he’s not going to turn in from a nonshooter to a suddenly great shooter…..
If anyone could just work on shooting and be better, wouldn’t we all be Kyle Korver’s?
Rondo’s skill is his passing, speed, and quick hands.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
by majoyenrac on Aug 24, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
oooooooooooooooooold joke
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Does this mean Rose won't become better at the 3 point line?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
His 3 point shooting percentage will most likely go up
But I doubt he’ll ever be a high volume shooter.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 24, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You just want Rose
to be able to knock down the trey in key situations, the way guys like Kidd, Barkley, Jordan did, not good 3pt shooters, but knocked them down when they counted the most.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Aug 24, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a lot more likely rose gets a consistent shot than rondo
For starters, rondo’s a terrible free throw shooter while rose has always been very solid at it. That implies that rose’s basic shooting mechanics are significantly better. Also, rondo’s jumper has improved very little in his first 4 years in the league as opposed to rose who got way better from 16-23 feet in his 2nd year.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 24, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the finals, Kobe played
extremely far off Rondo, Kobe was daring him to shoot anytime he had the ball.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Aug 24, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah it means that Rose is
simply the better player with more upside. Rose was the 1st pick in the draft for a reason. His ability to improve his game at the speed that he’s done it is a testament to him and his talent. So developing a formidable 3pt shot to go along with his formidable jump-shot is just a credit to him. Rondo is a heck of a PG but he was never a decent shooter and the reason he was a mid/late first rounder to begin with.
Yeah but it worked!
Rondo didn't improve his game greatly in a short time?
He went from being considered a possible bust to being in the discussion as one of the best point guards in the league within like 3 years. Maybe he has been so focused on improving all the other facets of his game to fit his team that included one of the best shooters of all time in Ray Allen, and also had Paul Pierce out on the wing. Shooting jump shots was not his first priority with the Celtics, and there was no reason for it to be.
My point is, we all seem to hope / think that Rose will improve his shot because he’s so athletic and such a hard worker. At the same time, people are arguing Rondo can’t improve his shot, even though he’s also very athletic and apparently from all reports a hard worker. It seems like quite the double standard.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 24, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
ive always argued this
but ive always felt it was the addition of the big 3 which actually helped rondos development. His defense is mainly just his ability to steal the ball. and i think it became easier for him to push himself all out on the defensive end knowing there were greater players on the court on the offensive end and an incredible defender in the post in case he failed in his gamble. While ill agree that rondo has really come out on his own in the last year, i think its still a result of an organization that had a great coach, a great defensive coach, and even if they werent always playing, 3 bonafide stars. I think going forward we should start seeing more and more of rondos weaknesses and limitations.
Basically another way my theory can be proved to be correct is in observing what takes place in miami. Nba playres are nba players, and while a guy like kirk hinrich might seem mediocre, surround him with three of the top 10 players in the nba, and he can look like an allstar…i expect the miami heat to have a similar effect on their roster, especially at the pg position…yea…get ready for mario chalmers as one of the best pgs in the league….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Yep but the difference being
that Rondo’s improvement as a player coincided with the improvement of the team. Having Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Garnett can only help a young PG with talent. The issue is that he never had a jump-shot and was part of the reason he went 21st in the draft. He wasn’t predicted to have the career he’s had to this point which is a credit to him. But 5 years in is a long time to not have developed a jumper.
When I mention Rose it’s to say that it’s to his credit that he went in the off season last year and developed a jumper. It will be his credit if he develops a 3pt shot too. This is in the span of 2 years. This doesn’t mean that Rondo can’t turn around and do the same but that may not be in his talent range. Not comparing the players but that’s like saying that because Jordan’s skill set and determination allowed him to develop a turn around fade away and an in between game, then by all means Lebron will develop it too because he’s just as talented. Well that’s no guarantee. Rose’s talent arc is higher than Rondo’s.
Yeah but it worked!
I don't think he was ever a bust
He was always thought as a decent perhaps second guard. But he was a what #21 pick….getting a guy who was known as a rotation player at #21 is never a bust (see Taj Gibson).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Becoming better is one thing
But folks who talk up Rondo are always like, he can just work on his shot and he’ll be the next Steve Nash shooter with more D and the best PG in the league.
Rose dramatically improved his shooting form from rookie year to second year, and he’s a solid mid range jump shooter. Improving to the 3 pt line isn’t as far a gap as it is from Rondo (a good layup guy) to taking a 15 foot jump shot.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
He doesn't have to be the next Steve Nash
Nor have people suggested he would be. He just has to be mediocre and his game would be greatly improved.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 25, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
He has a long ways to go to be a good shooter.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Mediocre isn't good.
Adjective: Of only moderate quality; not very good.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 25, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's funny you're saying mediocre isn't good, yet you said "he just has to (have a mediocre shot) and his game would be greatly improved."
I agree with your first post there. If he had any sort of shot, he’d be a much better player.
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by dantheman3k on Aug 25, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Mediocre isn't the same as good.
That’s why I provided the definition. I don’t know what you want me to do.
I used the words I wanted to use, if you want to assume what I meant, instead of just reading what I said, I can’t help you.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 25, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you're missing that I understand you and agree (or atleast think I do)
his shot is so bad, that even if he had a mediocre shot, he would greatly improve as a player. I believe you said this.
I just think its funny that you also pointed out mediocre isn’t good. It’s of the lightly bad / below average variety. “of moderate quality, not very good” as you pointed out. But that’s the shot, not the player.
but. yeah.
my point is he isn’t even really a mediocre shooter at this point. He had a couple good games where he did well, and if you take out maybe two or three of those performances, he’d be a horrible shooter. I suppose you could do that with plenty of things and it all depends on how you want to skew it, but my point is that I don’t think Rondo is a mediocre shooter. I think he’s a horrible shooter.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I also think he's a bad shooter. That's the point.
Why would I say he needs to be mediocre to greatly improve, if he already is mediocre? That wouldn’t make any sense.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 26, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
an all-time classic gun-in-mouth BaB argument
mediocre/average/good
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 25, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well then people are fucking stupid.
Mediocre does not mean good.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 25, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
so you've elected to continue the
tradition it seems…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
He's alreadya mediocre shooter.
And he’s a top 5-6 PG.
But he’ll never be a good shooter.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
OMG!!! I got the biggest case of SCHADENFREUDE ever, I mean ever!!!
That’s what happens when you mess with Brad Miller.
Rondo, baby this was Bulls fault, in a karma sorta’ way.
No Bulls fault!
No Bulls fault!
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
by marionette on Aug 24, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
they had no dunks!!!
I dont know why but no bulls fault seems like a luol quote…
:gives the vinny stare::
“good job marionette”
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
My sources say that Rondo was cut because the shape of his head too closely resembled the painted area.
Still trying to verify…
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
rose over rondo. now and forever
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 24, 2010 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Coach K chose Hinrich
in 2006.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Aug 24, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
in 2006, Hinrich was good on offense
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 24, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
hinrich's still good at D
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Hinrich was awesome early on
He lost his confidence in 2007-2008…..
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
i've been singing Westbrooks praises from the beginning of camp
he is more of a defensive force than Rondo. And once Coach K decided to go with Rose in the starting line up, and Curry as his back up, Rondo was done for.
This should make the Rose / Rondo rivalry a little more heated, no?
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 24, 2010 2:03 PM CDT reply actions
It should put another chip on Rondo's shoulder, that's for sure.
And that helps no one outside of Boston.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 24, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
after seeing the growth of derrick's game-
defense and three point shooting specifically – I think he’s ready to make the jump to top three point. My guess is we’re going to see Williams, CP3 and Derrick (in that order) as the best. I’ve just loved how he’s defended.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Just curious, what makes you think Williams is going to take that leap over Paul this season?
Williams closed the gap last season, but Paul, when he played, was still far better than Williams. I’ve heard long term doubt about Paul staying healthy but have seen nothing indicating he’s even more of an injury risk this season.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
without Boozer, Williams may have to carry more of the scoring load
which would, at least to the general public, make him seem overall better than in previous years. Maybe enough to leapfrog Paul?
Eh, they'll still have Jefferson and Millsap
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I wouldn't be surprised if Billups were still better for another year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Mostly a matter of health.
Paul is sensational, but he’s small, and I’m not yet positive he’s recovered completely. I also prefer Williams as a defender – stronger, gambles less.
I really have a hard time debating who is “better” though. I haven’t seen them in quite some time…for these kinds of thing I like the head to head matchup. Removes a lot of the ambiguity from things.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
As do I
I think Paul might award his team more points with his gambles than Williams playing it safe
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
depends on how good your back line is.
if you’re on the celtics, sure.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
No love for Steve Nash?
Yeah, he’s terrible defensively, but he’s still incredible offensively.
by tuluse on Aug 24, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this calls for a pg ranking!!!
cp3 (healthy)
Derron Williams
Jason Kidd (has the complete game, now with more 3pt shots (sounds like a cereal commercial)
Steve nash
Derrick Rose
thats my top 5
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Jason Kidd??
He doesn’t belong up there. He doesn’t even belong in the top 7.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That's harsh.
Kidd steals, he runs the offense well, he can shoot 3pt shots.. his only downfall is he can’t get to the rim anymore, which hurts the Mavs a lot, I think.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
Cp3
Deron
Nash
Rondo/Rose
Rose/Rondo
Billups
Parker
Where does Kidd fit?
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Point taken.
But he still is pretty good.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
kidd was never a scorer
the guy can flat out lead a team, maybe im just a fan of players who do the small things real well, but yea kidd can defend, pass, rebound, lead and his bball iq is through the roof. He is still a threat to get a tripple double on any given night…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Aug 24, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it was so awesome watching him slap a 19/16/17 game on atlanta
this year, at his age.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
that was the same game he ran into mike woodson right
i dont know, i think im one of the few that liked that he did that…woodson was way on the court, and kidd was trying to tell the ref and the ref was just ignoring it so he took matters into his own hands…i think alot were critical of the action, but i thought it was a lesson well taught…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Aug 25, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I absolutely loved that he did that.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 25, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that was so awesome. :)
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
usually late September
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Aug 24, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rondo "withdrew" from Team USA
Pussy
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Aug 24, 2010 4:58 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, tell that asshole to get a better family without problems.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Aug 24, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You really believe he left for family reasons?
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 24, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
why not
afterall kirk hinrich left the team usa for similar reasons, not because derron williams was better and was gonna take his spot or anything, but he had other priorities…..same with rondo, its not like theres another pg on the team thats so much better ::cough::rose::cough::
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
This is just too awesome
It makes total sense to me. As much as I hate Rondo, there’s no denying he’s a damn good player, but it was becoming obvious that it needed to be either Rose or Rondo getting the main pg duties. Their styles are different and it was probably tough for Coach K to switch them up like that. They needed a clear floor leader and having both of those guys on the same team muddied up the picture. I’m a little shocked that it’s Rondo who got cut, but there has to be a little more to this story than they’re letting on. Hopefully we start to hear something about the reasoning tonight or tomorrow.
Superteams suck.
The funny thing is, yesterday he said this (or at least it was reported yesterday):
"I think I’m on the bubble," Rondo said Tuesday. "Just looking at the obvious — I got a DNP last game. That pretty much speaks for itself."
So, a guy admits to everyone that he’ll probably get cut, then magically in the next 24 hours he develops “family problems”? Uhh, no. Not buying that.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 24, 2010 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
family issues = cant get family willing to pick him up at airport
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
life is sweet.
Well, he was … and he wasn’t. Rondo withdrew his name from consideration, or if you’re cynical, he jumped before he was pushed. He will not be on the U.S. team when it starts the tournament on Saturday.
Rondo would have been a curious selection for an international team because he has no reliable outside shot and can’t make free throws. Now, he will head home instead of to Turkey, where the United States will try to win a gold medal in the world championships for the first time since 1994.
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=may_peter&id=5494072
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Rose gets the starting PG spot
Rondo goes home.
Life is sweet.
I checked it out earlier.
Yeah, it’s pretty hilarious.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
i love the
rose just has a little bit better jumper than rondo.. otherwise rondo is far superior.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
remember when Sheridan thought Rose would be cut?
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
now he’s starting.
(like we all thought would end up happening from the beginning)
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
save this post
so you can replace ‘starting’ with gold medalist, then mvp, then champion
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Seems pretty clear what happened
Rose and Westbrook outplayed Rondo, and the Team USA brass didn’t think Rondo would be able to handle sitting behind rival PG’s close to the same age as him without bitching and moaning. The last thing they want is a replay of the 2002 World Championships. They’re already overloaded at the point, and Rondo was the easiest guy to cut. I had assumed they would start Billups at the point simply so the young guys couldn’t bitch about sitting behind a veteran with a Finals MVP on his record, but when they decided to start Billups at the 2 they were forced to choose between one of the young point guards.
I still don't like Billups at the two
I’d keep everything the same, but start Westbrook. Use Billups as the point off the bench. If I see Billups try to pull those old man moves in crunch time again, I’m gonna be very sad. Rose and Durant at the end of games if they wanna win.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 24, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Billups is a good perimeter shooter and team defender, he's the best fit at SG the team has
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
With this young a team, I like having Billups out there, especially because is his still a very good shooter
and defender
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Given the pace that Coach K likes to play at...
I think this is the right move. When the USA is pushing the pace they really look like a team that can win it and it is clear that Rose, Westbrook and Durant have a camaraderie that will play out well on the court.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Aug 25, 2010 3:10 AM CDT reply actions
Sheridan scouts TeamUSA (via destroyed fanshot)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TeamUSA-2010Roster
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 25, 2010 9:20 AM CDT reply actions
I understand the need to keep things nice and tidy on the front page, but is there some way when you destroy a fanshot that provides a link you could post it at the top. before the 200 comments happen.
I don't understand
email me if it’s that big a thing. people see the comment if it’s a new comment, usually. Plus I simply love destroying peoples dreams.
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