Derrick Rose brings late-game heroics to international play
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 23, 2010 8:23 AM CDT
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Rose culminated a pretty so-so game on Sunday against Spain with this layup as well as the following similar possession where he was fouled and sank two FTs.
Up until then, Rose had his good moments and bad. The speed shown there was frequently on display, but other aspects of his game were lacking. A couple time he got the ball stolen from him by Ricky Rubio, who guards by bodying up smaller players and using his hands. With Rose even given a bit of daylight he was able to blow by Rubio.
The 3 point shot (shorter in international play, mind you) was also on display, and it'll take me a while to get sold. Rose had good form and arc, but it seems he's never truly set when taking it, usually off a dribble and drifting when he lets it fly. It almost looks like the rest of his offensive repertoire with his very difficult floater attempts...yet he can make those, and maybe will do alright from 3 as well. The important thing is at least taking a few a game to keep the defense honest.
But whatever Rose's flaws (and it's a weird setup from the outset playing with other PGs so much), it was very cool to see him take the final possessions in a quarter that was otherwise dominated by Durant and Billups (and Iguodala, though I'd guess that wasn't by design). I don't think Rose was anointed by Coach K as the team's closer as much as he just happened to be bringing the ball up and the team knew to give him space*, but it was great to see Derrick do what he'll be called on to do all upcoming season, make close games into victories by virtue of his talent superseding whatever limits his team may have.
*unfortunately the Bulls may not be able to create such spacing with their shaky outside shooting.
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As far as Rose' 3 point shooting form
I hope that the shorter line and lighter ball doesn’t mess up what he’s worked on so far in the offseason.
I’d rather him hardly shooting any 3’s in international ball because of the different rule set.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions
It won't
the only thing the lighter ball/shorter distance can do is make him accustomed to shooting too hard. If that happens, it’ll only take a couple practices with the team to fix
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 23, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
At least it offers in-game attempts
Simmons would refer to them as “reps”
by ToroToroToro on Aug 23, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Lighter ball
Why do they use a lighter ball anyway?
real ball too heavy for pansy ass europeans.
by obnoxious american on Aug 23, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 12 recs
for schtick?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yeah, bits are bad.
usually.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 23, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
except yours, Tyger
zing!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 23, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I thank you for the compliment.
Or is that complement?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He was taking just a little bit closer all last year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Look at all that space!
That lane was like the Grand Canyon. If opposing defenses give Korver, Deng, et al half that much credit, I’ll be happy. Who was on the floor for the US? Was that Iguodala in the near corner? And was Lamar Odom setting that screen? (There’s one aspect the Bulls will have an advantage in).
it was Iggy and Billups in the corners, I believe
and yeah, Odom setting the screen.
Obvious answer for Spain would be just to leave Iguodala.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 23, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
so basically all you need is one shooter and another guy who has the threat of being a shooter
We good
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
NBAPlaybook.com
blamed Gasol for showing too hard on the perimeter. He came out too far after Odom showed screen, and couldn’t beat Derrick back to the basket in a foot race. But if the help comes off Iguodala then that becomes less of a factor. The defender (Navarro) was already playing off Iguodala (playing the pass), he just needed to get into the lane a little faster. He definitely had time. He’s not the biggest guy, but two guys in the lane is difficult to score over, even if you are Derrick Rose. The defense should have taken its chances with Iguodala beating you on an open jumpshot in that situation. He was 1-6 and 0-3 on 3pters. Here’s the link to that NBAPlaybook article.
http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/23/derrick-roses-layup-against-spain-wasnt-rubios-fault/
The Funk Might Fracture Your Nose
by chibullsareback on Aug 23, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
That's why Navarro isn't in the NBA anymore
That’s good defense in Spain. The Euroleague likes players that can shoot from distance. They all chuck it from 3.
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by NBA Observer on Aug 23, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's not why.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Aug 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's not in the NBA anymore because he chose to leave. If he wanted to be, he'd still be in the NBA.
The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 23, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for the link
Odom gets a lot of credit for taking advantage of Gasol’s bad positioning.
Also an illegal screen
Odom looks like he grabbed Rubio. I call this the Allen Iverson offense (perfected by LeBron). Give the ball to one guy and keep your defender as far away from him as possible until he (in this case Rose) gets close enough to the basket to make a play.
The Funk Might Fracture Your Nose
by chibullsareback on Aug 23, 2010 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
pretty sure they dont care in international ball cause there were like a million of those all game
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 23, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
but it looks like he grabbed him. I wasn’t really paying attention to the screens all that much, so I’ll take your word for it.
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by chibullsareback on Aug 23, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
He grabbed him with the left hand
But it didn’t stop Rubio from moving.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Aug 23, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
i hope rose just takes over leadership of the team if durant continues to be "too unselfish"
With rose’s newfound confidence and attitude it would be awesome if he stepped up and took control of the team.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 23, 2010 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
How much of Rubio's success defending Rose was because of FIBA rules?
I’m not making a statement, but just sort of curious what people think. Rubio seemed to be most successful against Rose when he was much more physical. However, I wonder whether he would have that same success in the NBA where things like hand-checking aren’t allowed. I also wonder whether that physicality caught Rose off guard a bit.
How well would Rubio defend against Rose under NBA rules?
Rubio plays well with the Spanish team
He knows where his guys are going to be. He gambles defensively.
When he’s reaching the move is to dribble right through his arm. When those things are hanging out there just plow through em.
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by NBA Observer on Aug 23, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Normally that would be "the move"...
But Rubio is lightning quick with his hands. Which is why he was able to rip Rose twice. There are many things I would question about Rubio’s game when he transitions to the NBA, but I don’t think anyone will be questioning his ability to pick pockets.
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Rubio
is really effective at bothering other pgs, always been. though i guess that in the nba they won’t allow some of that dirtier play with his hands. then he can’t really stay in front of the quick guards, although honestly, besides a couple of players, and under these nba rules, who can? rose will do that kind of play on everybody.
It was great to see Rose and Rubio match up and go at it...
Both are ridiculously good and fun to watch.
I hope Rubio can make it in the NBA someday soon.
Oh, and Rudy SUX! he should stay in Spain. His head is clearly not there right now.
I’d almost rather have Navarro than Rudy right now!
To his left on this play
On the next possession they set up the same play and Rose went to his right. Gasol fouled him as he had to hack Rose to prevent an easy layup.
What is odd is the Spanish team does not help in the paint once Rose penetrated. They watch. They must be coached to stay home.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Or at least coached to stay at home in the friendly...
Then will adjust should the two teams meet again when it counts…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Yeah, somewhere else I read
that in the Olympics Spain played two different games against the US, in the prelims, where they got blown out, and in the championship, where they were competitive. I’m sure they were holding back something, maybe the directions on when to help are part of it.
by JockstrapNoah on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That play to me
is what sets apart Rose from him other PG counterparts and why I feel it’s a bit unfair to hold him to the same standard as Rajon Rondo or even Deron Williams. I wouldn’t say Rose is more of a lead guard but I think he has a skill set that allows him to take over games in the same fashion as a Wade or a handful of the “unguardable” players in the league. It’s a weird mix at his position and I think that now with a low post presence in Boozer, Rose will have to figure out how and when to be the go to guy and when to play the PG position.
Guys like Rondo and Westbrook have had the luxury of passing the ball to other go to players where Rose hasn’t to this point. I’m not so worried about him being the great facilitator as a PG as making sure he doesn’t lose that ability to take over games. It’s not many in this league that can do that so it will be interesting to watch.
Yeah but it worked!
by Dils on Aug 23, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
This replay was crazy..wish I saw the game. Those screens are killin Rose..but he looked goo in there. Real aggressive, I like that. And I loved the Durant “Thats why you dont wanna be in the NBA” block
I reject your reality... and substitute my own.
Rose's speed > 95% of defenders
I think that’s the overlying factor.
Derrick Rose can beat anyone to the cup. Period!
That creates mismatches and open shots for players along the edge. There is no way you can gameplan for that. You double and they give it to another player who will have a “recovering defender” or a mismatch because of the switch.
This is why it’ll be good to see how a solid wing player (Brewer who has had some flashes of being a good scorer within 18 feet; Kyle Korver 3 pt accuracy) will make Rose’s game so much better.
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I'm more excited about how he plays with Boozer...
Who will be able to score/contribute in a variety of ways off of Derrick’s ability to penetrate.
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 23, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Sheridan seems to imply that there was more to Rondo's benching than just rest
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=TeamUSA-100822
The victory came with a little added intrigue, too, with Rose claiming afterward that Rondo was suffering from some sort of sinus infection — a statement that was rebutted by team director Colangelo. As well as starting Rose over Rondo, Krzyzewski also went with Odom at center in place of Tyson Chandler.
“Coach told the team this morning that he was going to try some other players, change the lineup,” Colangelo told ESPN.com. “We’ve been off to some bad starts in our three games, and so he went with a different lineup, and he said some guys might not play today. And that’s how it played out. I don’t think anything is significant. I don’t know what we’ll do in the game against Greece, but we’re still trying to determine who we are and how we’re going to play, so that was just for today, what he chose to do.”
Hopefull Rose did enough to impress while he was out there to warrant major minutes once the tournament starts. Other than a couple of turnovers, I thought he played well.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 23, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I wonder if it wasn't just more of a tactical move
Maybe he already knew that Rondo was gonna be the guy getting the bulk of the minutes so he chose to go in this dorection to kind of not show his full hand to a really good Spanish team. At least that seems far more likely than Rondo’s role being significantly reduced after getting a lot of playing time recently.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 23, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
i loved the 1st line
Three things won it for Team USA: Kevin Durant’s wingspan, Derrick Rose’s will and Jim Boeheim’s tactical adjustment — code-named “Orange.”
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by Belize on Aug 23, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
sounds like that one guy the bulls had a few decades back
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
How has
Rose’s defense been? I’ve seen part of the games, and he seems much more aggressive. He’s picking up full court a lot which he probably won’t do in the NBA. I’m hoping the emphasis on d will carry over.
by El Toro de Goro on Aug 23, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions
Impressive
Still has trouble getting past screens (I saw Spain doing some double screens; very nice) but he recovers better than he used to and has finally started getting up in player’s faces.
Most impressive Rose play from yesterday (in my opinion) was when Rubio drove right, initially getting past Rose, but Rose recovered and overtook him at the basket, forcing Rubio to try and do a complete stop on the drive and thus leading to a travelling call.
If Rose somehow masters how to use his speed on defense (a much harder trick than it looks) then opposing players are really going to hate him.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Aug 23, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the best thing
is when Rubio tried to get past him, and Rose essentially ripped him up, sending the ball in the opposite direction that Rubio was going. He couldn’t get it from him because of the angle, but you don’t get steals like that from playing bad defense. And he seemed to be doing a lot better coming off of screens, too.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 23, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Man
Rubio looks like a special talent….
That was an interesting game. Hopefully watching this game reminds people that Iguoldala is more like a higher paid Deng than this superstar we’ve been oddly clamouring for for the past few years. Sure he’s athletic and flashy, far trumping Deng in those categories, but his shot is poor and he is more apt to force things…..
And I wouldn’t say he’s better defensively….
At equal salaries, they are pretty equal in my book, if Ig was paid less then I’d say Iguoldala, but the fact that Deng is paid less and is at least as good if not better = no more Ig talk folks.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
by majoyenrac on Aug 23, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Deng is a very good defender
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
by majoyenrac on Aug 23, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Oh, I see...
Well, now you’ve convinced me…
by Basketball on Aug 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
no Bulls fault
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 23, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i'd say Iggy is a more versatile defender
Deng relies on positioning and size, Iggy relies on athleticism and quickness. I’d be willing to put Iggy on a wider range of players and I think his man to man defense is better because he can pressure the ball.
Besides, most of the people “clamoring” for Iggy wanted to pair him with Deng. And Iggy only makes a million a year more than Deng, so its not like their salaries are widely disparate. So I feel free to talk about Iggy all I want, despite your wishes.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 23, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
I’d say Iggy + Deng would form the best defensive wing tandem in the league by far.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Hopefully Brewer can step up his defense
he has the athleticism to be a beast on that end. But I haven’t heard him referred to as anything other than an above average defender.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully Thibs will capitalize.
Or at least have a plan to.
by Khalid El-Amin on Aug 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we all saw what Thibs did with Tony/Ray Allen.
They did a great job in the Finals defending Kobe (especially Tony Allen, and TA and Brewer are pretty similar)
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
Hmm...
Wade and James might differ.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Aug 23, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably.
Neither of them are elite though.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 23, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
together?
worse, by far, than Deng/Iguodala? I’m not buying it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yes they are.
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Not really
top 5 at their position probably, but not top 5 overall.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 24, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
kobe artest?????
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
them, too
although, I’d argue they’re a little old and not as good without Gasol, Bynum and Odom behind them.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yeah age def is a factor
But for at least the next 3 years or so id take kobe artest over any wing combo in the league in a 7 game series
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Wasn't Rubio's fault Rose was able to get to the cup.
NBA Playbook broke the play down MAGNIFICENTLY!
http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/08/23/derrick-roses-layup-against-spain-wasnt-rubios-fault/
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
no Rubios fault
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by dantheman3k on Aug 23, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
No fault-o!
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by ChicagoMarine on Aug 23, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't able to see the game but good god, this crossover is quite fun to watch
by Option27 on Aug 23, 2010 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
haha, that's amazing!
How did I miss that during the game? In all seriousness, I wouldn’t be surprised if that guy has some back issues or something after that.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 23, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
its the bulls fault
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
scroll down to adocarbog's comment in green
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 23, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG, OMG, OMG
I have achieved fame, at last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by adocarbog on Aug 24, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
i missed the game, but huge huge kudos to rose for going to the hoop on the pivotal
offensive possession of the game, especially when the refs arent calling fouls. not many guys do that.
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i love how the player jumped out their seats, epic!!!
by palmpre on Aug 23, 2010 11:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
just use the preview button
it’ll cut your comments in half
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 24, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
think rondo could really be cut?? i think granger is the likely out from this squad
@CSheridanESPN Big question for Tues-Wed: Who is the final cut for Team USA? Rondo, Granger, Love DNPs vs. Spain are clues. Decision by Thursday expected.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
shooting liability can hurt
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
More talk of being cut from Rondo
“I think I’m on the bubble,” Rondo said Tuesday. “Just looking at the obvious — I got a DNP last game. That pretty much speaks for itself.”
Coach Mike Krzyzewski said he will go with the same starting lineup against Greece that he used in Sunday’s one-point victory over Spain, using Rose at the point, Chauncey Billups at shooting guard, Kevin Durant at small forward, Andre Iguodala at power forward and Lamar Odom at center.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/olybb/news/story?id=5492343
If you are a Rondo hater, you should read the whole thing. It talks about how Westbrook and Curry have moved ahead of him in the rotation, and while we were all worried about Rose’s play, Rondo was horrid against Lithuania 2pts, 1ast, 4turnovers.
I have to think that 1 way plane ticket back to the states is going to suck. Maybe they should have brought Javale McGhee, so the guy who is cut won’t feel so bad.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 24, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
“*unfortunately the Bulls may not be able to create such spacing with their shaky outside shooting.”
Shakey outside shooting? Korver the best 3 point shooter in the nba (literally), Deng, one of the best if not THE best pure jump shooting small foward in the nba, and then down low boozer can step out a little and create space because defenses have to stay on him (not to mention boozer has a reliable 10-15ft jump shot for a big man). Spacing wont be a problem this year.
by ptfcNassoc on Aug 24, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would never doubt Deng's purity
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