Bucher: Sources: Carmelo Anthony likely to go
[From the FanShots. Not much else going on, might as well have a fun fight over hypotheticals. I don't see the Bulls even pretending (that's a 2010 plan dig, kinda) to get involved -ed.]
Anthony could sign with Denver and convince the team to then trade him. His other option would be to not sign the extension, thereby forcing the team to move him rather than risk losing him next summer as a free agent.
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That's hilarious
“Yeah, I want to be traded, but I’d like you guys to give me an extension on the way out before the CBA is changed next year.”
NY is the likliest destination
At least this brings some new hope to the table.
And please, no more of those crazy Deng trade scenarios. Denver wouldn’t want him unless the Bulls threw in Noah with him … or something
by Option27 on Aug 16, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yup
To get this done, we’d have to at least give up Noah. I’m not so sure I’d want to make that move. I’ve never been much of a Melo fan. If we’re giving up Noah, I’d like it to be for a guy that clearly makes us title contenders, and I’m not sure Anthony does that. Is he that much better than a healthy Luol Deng?
He is better, but we’d be weakening our front court defense drastically, which is vital to having a really good team. Melo isn’t in the Howard/Durant/Wade/Lebron class, even though ESPN likes to pretend he is. In fact, if he does go to the Knicks (supposedly the place he wants to be), I’m still not scared of that team. Now, if they got Chris Paul, that’s a different story.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 16, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rose/Melo/Boozer
Is the closest thing to Wade/LeBron/Bosh you can probably get but even with that core, they still aren’t on Miami’s level.
The X factor with the Bulls is Noah and depth. With the Rose/Melo/Boozer trio, you just play second fiddle for a long time
Yea, but both teams would play second fiddle,
minus some catastrophic injuries to Lebron or Wade. At least with Noah, we have a guy that can exploit a potential weakness of Miami. Plus he’s awesome, and everyone loves him. I wouldn’t give that up for Melo.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 16, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
'Greater than, less than' symbols
are totally the way to decide which team is better than another.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 17, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
that’s why I went with it. It allows for lesser educated people like yourself to follow along using a quasi visual argument.
picture me rollin'
Oh my, overly defensive I see
I’m only saying that ‘>/< charts’ don’t work. Not sure what point you’re trying to prove by insulting me.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 17, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Putting it like that, yes
he is a better basketball player than Artest. But Ron Ron defends Melo about as well as anyone in the league. So the big discrepency in offensive talent is somewhat negated.
picture me rollin'
And Kobe is much better than Rose, and Gasol is much better than Boozer.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 17, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't change the fact that 'greater than/less than' charts
are crude and an ineffective way of predicting series victors (unless, of course, one teams players are all better than yours). It’s not even worthy of trying to debate
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 18, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions
since you wont refute it
you must agree that Gasol is much better than Boozer and Kobe is much better than Rose
picture me rollin'
the problem with less/greater than statements is they leave ambiguity in quantifying differences
for example….
3>2>1
9>3>2
10000>5>.0001
Insert whoever’s names for those numbers, without quantifying the value of any of the players you can’t compare between the 3 greater/less than statements
by SidM on Aug 18, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup, they blow
and commenters who use them (genuinelly) blow, almost universally
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade is better than Kobe
Better and more willing defender, better and more efficient O player.
Wade hasn’t had Gasol, Odom, Artest, Bynum, Phil Jackson on board really ever have that kind of talent as a pro….but esp not the last few years.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
No way
Artest is completely overrated. Remember the playoffs, he was AWFUL especially in the last 2 series save for game 7.
Even bad players can have a good game.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Kobe is 2nd only to LeBron in terms of Talent
which doesn’t really change the fact that the Lakers trio is closer to the Heat’s than the Bulls trio
picture me rollin'
I don't agree
Wade has all the talent Kobe had and is 5 years younger and in his prime. Kome’s been slipping the last 2 years but his team is so great that it masks that.
Kome’s still great, dont’ get me wrong, but Wade’s the most elite SG.
Lakers trio is worse than the Heat’s trio, but the Lakers (Kobe/Gasol/Bynum) have plenty better depth with Odom, Artest, Blake, etc.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
yeah, why be scared of a team with 2 superstars
who led teams to the Conference Finals and owner who is willing to spend anything. Why worry?
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 16, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
who led teams to the Conference Finals
Amare didn’t “lead” anyone, anywhere. I give Nash and the rest of the supporting cast most of the credit for that. As well as a very helpful playoff schedule. They played Portland with half their team missing, and Portland still made it a hell of a series.
As for Melo, I never said I didn’t like him, just that he won’t make that big of a difference. Even if both those guys are in NYC, they’re still not beating the Heat. That’s still the team we’ll need to be worried about, not the Knicks. I just don’t think that giving up Deng and Noah (hypothetically) for Melo, makes us a better team. It’s not that I don’t want him, or don’t think the Knicks will be good.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 16, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
They all deserve credit
Amare has been on numerous all-star teams. Nash is obviously #1 but don’t act like Amare wasn’t the clear #2. I didn’t see Dragic averaging 26 and 10 after the all-star break. And they swept the Spurs – so favorable or not, that is pretty impressive.
As far as the Knicks – they will be loads better with Amare and Melo. And its not like they will just stop adding pieces and looking for ways to trim salary. They get Melo and Paul is just a year or two away. And I’m not convinced the Bulls are better than the Knicks if they get Melo. We will see what they have to give up but remember they got a pretty good coach down there who knows a thing or 2 about offense. The Knicks won’t play any D – but neither did the Suns when they were putting together 60 win seasons. Any time one of your rivals in the conference has a chance to acquire a guy capable of average 29 pts a game, its a concern. A major one.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 16, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You're contradicting yourself
did Amare lead the team, or was he #2?
But you’re still right. It wouldn’t be good if Melo went to the Knicks (obviously). At best, we’d be marginally better than them,
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 16, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
more than one person can lead a basketball team
i guess i should have said “helped lead the team.” He did more than everyone other than Nash. I guess I should also clarify that Melo had teammates in Denver too. He wasn’t on the court by himself.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 16, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear ya
I actually think the Knicks will be pretty good too, so I’m not sure we’re that far off on our opinions. It’s just that when you say someone “led” their team to the Western Conference Finals… I disagree. Amare is a good player, but he’s not gonna take you that far if he’s your best player.
When I said I wasn’t scared of them, it wasn’t like I was saying I think we’ll stomp them or anything. It’s just that I don’t think it will drastically change the power structure of the East. The Knicks still wouldn’t be on Miami’s level with Melo. They’d be lumped in the group with us and the Celtics, Hawks and one or two others in that second tier of teams. THAT’S why I’m not scared. Because it doesn’t really change things that much, except making the conference more competitive.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 16, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Because neither of those superstars play defense and nobody else on the team is particularly good.
Sorry, but it’s gonna take some convincing to get me scared of a team that just RE-hired Isiah Thomas
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 16, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point, I forgot about the defensive issues (and Isiah)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Aug 16, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Isiah terminated his contract.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
He couldn't be hired because of his college job.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
i thought he declined the job
after shit hit the fan about the possible conflict of interest, but that there was no official rule against it.
Agreed
A team where the only 2 good players lack effort defensively, and is coached by D’Antoni, will probably make the playoffs, but exit soon afterwards.
it doesnt matter what denver wants
its what melo wants.
if melo were to hypothetically pick us, then if we offer deng they either have to take it or leave it.
simple as that.
the power is all in melo’s hands.
he can go where he wants. its just a matter of now or later and how much money.
denver has absolutely no leverage.
and getting deng back would be much better than losing melo for nothign at all.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
and Melo likely wants NY
I don’t see a case where he ‘picks’ us, since the Bulls aren’t going to even bother trying to court him.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 16, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Melo met with Benny the Bull
sources say he was unimpressed
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 16, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
but honestly I can see the Knicks doing all they can to try and get a deal like this done, basically by getting Carmelo to only commit to NY, and holding the trump card of max cap space this summer to tell the Nuggets he’s leaving later anyway.
The Bulls just won’t do that. Granted they can’t offer cap space, but they could similarly start working Denver and Melo’s people to have him believe that not only are the Bulls are an option, but a better one for Denver to deal with too.
But THEN there’s the problem of seeing what exactly to give up. It’d have to be Deng+Noah, right? Doubt the Bulls do that, not even sure they should, this really has little chance of developing.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 16, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't see Melo coming to Chicago for a lot of reasons
but mostly because I think he wants to go to NY. If it was about winning, than why leave Denver?
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 16, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
because denver is on the decline? duh?
billups is old
kmart is banged up
nene is banged up
no viable back centers
their 2 guards are okay.
ty lawson is your only young talent.
melo would be crazy to stay there if he wants to win.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
all those guys contracts will expire either at the end of this
season or next season. The Nuggets could be far enough under the CAP to make a run at CP3 when he is a free agent. Melo could win 50+ games for the next 2 years in Denver and than have the team completely built around him. He isn’t jumping to a championship contender or dynasty like Bron or Bosh. Instead he is moving from good team to good team.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 16, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see any reason to offer Noah
If the alternative for Denver is getting a garbage heap of stuff from the Knicks.
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Chicago Bulls
Assets: Joakim Noah, Luol Deng and Ronnie Brewer (after December 15).
What’s the deal?: Anthony has also been rumored to be interested in the Bulls, but this could be more positioning than anything else. Chicago seems unlikely to have the pieces to trade for him or the cap space to sign him next summer.
Bottom Line: This just isn’t very likely. Noah is obviously talented, but Chicago would have to package him with Deng and a few picks, and even that might not be enough.
and once upon a time bosh and lebron wanted to be the man on a team
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
But the thing is, why wouldn't they budge?
They’d have an opportunity to get something back, as opposed to other situations where they’d get nothing.
by Stacey_Is_King on Aug 16, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
im sure we can find a retarded gm out there to take on deng's contract
and im sure the other gms would love to down the miami superteam.
if melo wants us. it would happen regardless of what denver wants back
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Lets convince...
Kahn that deng is a 4th point guard
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 8:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
We should've traded him to them while he was stocking up on SF's
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
if Melo wants to go to NY
I don’t see anyway to stop it from happening. NY can offer Gallinari, Randolph and Curry than remind Denver that Miami and Cleveland got even less than that.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 16, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't seem any better than Deng+Taj to me
Yes, Deng is on a longer term deal, but…
Deng is a better player than Danilo straight up. So while you have to weigh Deng’s salary against him, you have to also weigh the fact he’s better, the fact the Nuggets would have to pay Curry $12M up front for absolutely nothing, and the fact that they’ll eventually have to pay Danilo something close to what they pay Deng. That money will go somewhere.
Maybe this is mostly because I’m not a huge fan of Randolph. I just see a pretty strong chance that he’s a guy who’s going to find a reason to stay off the court.
Bottom line, I look at a team with
Billups/Lawson
Smith/Aflalo
Deng
KMart/Taj
Nene/Birdman
And I think it probably is still a playoff team. I take out Deng/Taj and put in Gailinari/Randolph/and Curry, and I’m less confident they make the playoffs.
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the way i look at is that Deng is better than anyone they may get offered
but in 2 years the Nuggets could be completely free of any long term contracts outside of Birdman. They’ve been operating at near or over the luxury tax for awhile. If Melo leaves maybe they just tear down the team and build around Lawson, Smith, Gallinari, Randolph, Nene – all young guys on relatively low contracts or rookie contracts. If they just want to reload, they go after Deng. If they want to rebuild, there are better offers available.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I sort of agree, but...
in two years, Gallo and Randolph would either be in the first year of their extensions, or they’d be RFAs. And remember they signed up Harrington too.
http://sportstwo.com/s2/NBASalaries.php#jump_DEN
For two years down the road, they’ve got approx $16M locked up in
Lawson
Harrington
Andersen
Balkman
So, would they rather add Deng+ Taj $15.7M or Gallo + Randolph at some unknown amount (their QOs are $9.6M, so I’d take that as the lowest case scenario)?
So with Deng and Taj, they’ve still got only $32M in committed salary. Who knows what the next CBA will hold, but even with adding picks, they’d likely have some flexibility. I think it’d mostly come down to how they view the players, and how they’ll feel about taking Eddy Curry on the chin.
Another thing thing to consider is that sort of move could also end up making Billups force his way out too, meaning they get pennies on the dollar for him as well. If they’re still competitive though, they probably have a better chance of biding their time and getting a good return for him (though in fairness I have no idea what that is)
I’d figure we should throw in the Charlotte pick too, which is probably higher than anything the Knicks can offer as a pick.
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Went on a twitter binge this morning
and basically figured the offer of Deng+Taj+JJ+Pick is pretty solid for Denver, IF they’re actually interested in getting talent in return.
I view it as a potential problem with an owner dealing Melo, then figuring fuck it might as well be bad and cheap for a year or so (and likely longer). So then they are better off going for salary relief first, and sell someone like Anthony Randolph as an asset to the fans (hey, bloggers would buy it).
I’d be really wary if I was Denver in playing the cap space game, it’ll be hard for them to get under, and then who are they signing better than Deng? Plus Taj is…a person who plays basketball.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, Denver is no South Beach..
While a guy like Noah might enjoy their liberal drug policies, I don’t know how many free agents better than Luol are going to choose Denver over NY or Miami or another warm weather city.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
To me, the big problem with the Knicks offer is that they've also used their cap space
So the only feasible way they have to get Melo is to force them to take back Curry. Which sort of gets the “be cheap for a year” plan off to a bad start. It does get the “be bad for a year” part of things off to a good start though.
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everyone used their cap space
maybe Curry’s deal would be offest partially by insurance?
you’re right they can’t even take another long-term Denver contract without piecing together half their roster. shockingly Curry’s deal is the only fat one left in NY
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
*Sigh
Although this has the chance of benefitting us, I’m not really a fan of players having all this “power”, if you want to call it, and constantly getting what they want like spoiled babies.
by GriggsBriggs on Aug 16, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
"if melo were to hypothetically pick us, then if we offer deng they either have to take it or leave it."
And there’s a decent chance that they decide to leave it.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 16, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
then we ship deng to a retarded gm
and get melo in the summer.
win win for us
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Don't think they'll have cap space even if they dumped Deng
But I do agree it’s basically all we should offer
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Sources
I don’t beieve in sources anymore
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
I hate this passive-aggressive method of demanding a trade Chris Paul and Carmelo are using
If you want a trade, be a man and ask for a trade directly, like Kobe did a few years ago. Don’t drop hints at wedding receptions and use your Twitter account to link to articles about you on another team. I have no doubt this article came directly from Carmelo’s camp.
(And yes, I’m aware the NBA now fines players for issuing public trade demands, but I would argue the players are costing themselves more money by playing these types of games and damaging their images. Even if people didn’t like it, they might at least respect a player who says he would like to be traded to a team with a better chance to win. It’s hard to sympathize with players using orchestrated leaks and not-so-subtle innuendo to leave town.)
by Big D on Aug 16, 2010 6:03 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
They're probably much more direct behind closed doors.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 16, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the Bulls could make a deal after December 15th...
Maybe a three team deal…This ridiculous scenario gets Atlanta involved…but even if we threw in multiple first rounders, I suspect there would be better offers on the table…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
blogamelo
lets go. melo 2011 we can do it
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 16, 2010 6:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hooray, more months of pointless speculation!
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 16, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
and then the months of pointless games
don’t put me through the looking glass, man.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 16, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm, this doesn't move me as much as the Lebron rumors did
because now, I know that if a quote starts with ‘Sources:’ ‘My sources’ or ‘Various sources’, it means nothing.
negative points for not just adding this to the other Melo fanshot today.
this isn’t any extra special news, just Bucher getting the orange-glow off his fingers long enough to type something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 16, 2010 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it a double negative when you bump it to the front page?
by Option27 on Aug 16, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I thought the wedding story was pretty funny, and weirdly detailed.
Definitely worth its own post.
Deng + Gibson + picks.
for melo. don’t want to give up noah
by Da Bears2333333 on Aug 16, 2010 8:21 PM CDT reply actions
I concur
Chicago Jazz > Three Am-Egos
by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 8:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
if it's just Deng+Gibson
you do that deal even without a contract extension from Melo. Bring him in and hope to convince him through being a pretty great team that it’s worth staying.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I basically threw in JJ for salary purposes
Deng plus only one of them isn’t enough $
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I learned my lesson to believe any of thes rumors....
But Melo would be the perfect fit for rose and this team. Lebron is the better player but, rose and melo games gel together. IF we were able to someone pull this off, that team could defintely compete with the three Divas in Mia. But I’d still be happy with getting Rudy.
Either way the bulls will be fun to watch.
If melo was smart he would choose the bulls
Rose
Brewer
Melo
Boozer
Noah
That teams is deadly
by Da Bears2333333 on Aug 16, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions
last time i checked melo can shoot
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
really? Where did you look?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He's a better shooter than deng
And that’s a statistically backed claim.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 17, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
nope. look at 82.games outside shooting numbers going back to 06-07. they are about as equal over that time as two different guys can be.
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- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I did (before I made that comment)
Deng’s eFG% on jumpers from the past 3 years: .424, .381, .406
Melo’s eFG% on jumpers from the past 3 years: .410, .417, .406
So in 07-08, they were the same, in 08-09, Melo was definitively better, and last year, Deng was a little better. So overall, they are “about equal” if you go solely by . However, if you look closer, Melo’s % assisted is way, way lower (39 for Melo last year vs. 68% for Deng), which implies that he’s taking more difficult shots. When you factor that in, I think concluding that Melo is a better shooter than Deng is pretty reasonable.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 17, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
also take into cconsideration that melo is the focal point of opposing defenses
i dont think any team in the league game plans for deng
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
I'm pretty sure that every team in the league game plans for Deng
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 18, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
But I still get your point
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
you couldnt make that one post? XD
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Yes, I think this is solid evidence
The general rule is that a guy who’s efficient when using a lot of possessions will become even more efficient when taking fewer possessions.
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related (sorta)
“True shooting % is easily the least consistent stat when a player changes roles”
I think Tyger’s being an ass :). The point is Melo is the better scorer, being just as efficient on way more shots and more difficult shots*, not if you took them in an empty gym with racks of balls. Though I’d still guess Melo does better there too.
*just common sense, and boosted by the assisted %s polo posted. I mean, we’ve seen what happens when Deng tries to ‘create’, and Melo is someone that generates points off iso constantly. It’s a balance to fit someone like that in, but in all offenses you need a bailout option and Melo is one of the best. I posted that b-r piece last week about scoring against top defenses, and Melo is top-10 there.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yes, which makes melo a better shooter in theory. in practice melo shoots
so often and has such bad shot selection that his shooting numbers are equal to dengs. and since melo probably isnt going to change his style of play at his age, even if he changes teams, im not sure the theory part matters.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
c'mon
if Melo limited his role to Deng’s role, he’d probably be more efficient. If Deng tried to do what Melo does, his efficiency would plummet. You guys are acting as if the fact that Melo shoots as efficiently as Deng in much higher volumes with much more defensive pressure doesn’t mean anything. And who says he won’t change his style of play? If he is willing to go to NY or Orlando and potentially team with CP3 or Dwight Howard he is obviously okay with taking on a different role than the one he has played in Denver.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
thats not obvious at all. and i already said i dont care about what deng
at 32 USG% or melo at 21 USG% would be like because not only is melo not going to ever be close to that, i think it would kill his effectiveness. melo is a guy who needs to be scoring a lot and well in order to do the other things like defend and rebound.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
so it doesn't matter to you that Melo is better than Deng
cool
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 18, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
c'mon, we just dont agree on how good melo is. you are obviously willing
to put him in the wade-lebron-howard category where you can say “screw fit, this guy is just the best.” im not willing to do that. i think tyger is right, melo is like rose: he only has relative value now. he can be really useful to certain teams that need volume shot creators (like the 09-10 bulls), but if your team already has that im not sure what rose does for you. i see melo the same way. melo at rudy gay USG% added to a good team is just not as good a player as deng in my opinion.
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i've never put him in a category with Wade, Bron, Durant
I just think he’s better than Deng. Melo is a better score, ball handler, clutch player, and passer. Equal rebounder. Deng is better defensively. But I still think this Bulls team needs scoring and guys who can create their own shot.
And I think fit is overblown. Deng isn’t the protypical wing player you would want with Rose. He can’t create for himself, he doesn’t shoot 3’s at a high enough rate, he isn’t anything special on the break and he’s a poor passer and playmaker. So I don’t see Deng as a great fit. Offensively, I think Melo is a much better fit with Rose because Melo doesn’t need to dribble and dominate the ball but can still get his own shot. Melo has played with ball dominant guards and had a lot of success. Unless the Bulls are in line to get one of those top guys (which they aren’t) I at least want a team filled with perennial all-stars.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 19, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
its not bad shot selection all the time.
its being forced to take tough shots because youre the focal point of opposing defenses. and denver has really only a few offensive weapons on the court with him at a time so defenses can lock in on him and force him to take tough shots
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
I disagree that he's not going to change his style of play
Melo’s consistently been a ~30% USG guy throughout his career. On a team with Rose and Boozer, there’s no way he maintains that. So that should force Melo to at least somewhat change his style of play and shot selection.
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by Poloplaya14 on Aug 18, 2010 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You're an ass.
You’re either lying, lazy or ignorant. There is zero statistical data that shows Anthony as a better shooter than Deng. hoopdata.com also shows what TheMoon says, that they are essentially equal.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
3 seconds left down 2
who you going to let shoot the ball. deng or melo
forget stats.
everyone in the world would rather have melo take it
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
okay?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Careful...
Don’t let a thing like common sense get in the way.
Yeah but it worked!
why? because he has a better shooting % in those situations, all 48 of them?
melo shoots 48% in game winners but hes never shot that well for a season. youd think people would be inclined to say melo got lucky, not that he has some magical ability to hit shots in these situations which apparently fails him in the other 47 minutes 55 seconds of every game.
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by TheMoon on Aug 17, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i want to hear you say you'd rather let deng take a game winning shot over melo taking it
stats are stats. if youre going to live purely by stats then kobe isnt the most clutch player in the league but i dont think any coach on the planet wouldnt want kobe taking a potential game winner if they had the option
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 18, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i want an open guy to take a game winning shot, whoever that may be.
or i want someone to attempt to get to the hole to win the game. itd be a lot more reliable that way than watching kobe or melo clanking 20 footers off the frnt of the rim in crunch time.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
well thats the obvious choice but hypothetically im saying if you had to give the ball to one of the two
dont be an ass and avoid the question.
no one here is going to pick deng to shoot over melo.
every person on the planet would rather melo take a game winner than deng.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
we certainly like calling people asses in this thread.
i avoided the question because it was so incredibly stupid. so there.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Good post, but
the “you’re an ass” part seems oddly disjointed from the rest of the statement. Are we to assume he’s an ass plus one of the other 3 choices?
a. lying ass (feels like there should another name after that, maybe “hobo”. Play with it a little.)
b. lazy ass (comfortable combination)
c. ignorant ass (feels like too many syllables, i’d go with “stupid ass” myself)
Anyway, Carmelo’s clearly the better scorer is not the better outside shooter. I’d still say the stats we’re looking at don’t tell the whole story as to their shooting ability, as I’d guess that many more of Carmelo’s shots are contested, since he’s the focal point of the offense and defenses pay much more attention to him. I’d guess he could be quite a bit more efficient if he took less shots, but that negates part of the reason you’d want him on your team.
Relax, sir.
It’s not like he’s personally insulting you with his ignorance.
"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."
Yeah, I'm the one who's being an ass...
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by Poloplaya14 on Aug 17, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Melo shot the same percentage as Joe Johnson last season
Many people on BaB were clamoring for Joe Johnson to fill the role of shooter on this team. Not sure how that translates to “Melo can’t shoot.”
by Stay Chisel on Aug 17, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
uh, 3s?
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
OP said "that team can't shoot"
If he meant that the team couldn’t shoot 3s, then Melo would not improve that. If he meant that the team couldn’t shoot from anywhere on the floor, he’s wrong as Melo shoots a solid percentage. Most of the thread above is an argument about whether Deng or Melo is the better shooter, which suggests that we’re not talking about 3 pointers here.
Im all for Melo
But dont give up too much. Espn insider had an article recently about that even though he drops tons of points, he is very inefficient.
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by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 9:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
How Bout this trade.....
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22rvudh
Bulls get: Carmelo Anthony
Denver gets: Gerald Wallace, DJ Augustin, Taj Gibson, Erick Dampier, James Johnson. 2 first round draft picks from Chicago.
*They get an allstar SF in place of Anthony, young players in Gibson/Augustin, a big Expiring contract with Dampier, plus 2 first rounders.
Bobcats get: Ty Lawson, Luol Deng, Nene Hilario
- They get their starting PG in Lawson, Deng is a sold player to fill in for Wallace, and a Center
Lawson, Stephen Jackson, Deng, Diaw/Tyrus, Hilario….thats a pretty good lineup
Someone tell GarPax!!!
But could we get someone else to fill out the roster as well as Melo?
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by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 9:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hah
I meant via trade
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by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 10:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
linking trades from espn trade machine
does’nt mean it gives it anymore validity
by Da Bears2333333 on Aug 16, 2010 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
No
But as unlikely as it seems, this is the best scenario for all teams included. I doubt we could get melo via trade without a 3rd team. That said, i dont want him unless an extension is signed quickly.
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by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 9:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Obviously they are interested.
But for what price? I really want him, but in reality it probaby wont happen. Every indication is that he will “take his talents” to NY. Lets just hope there isn’t another one hour special hah.
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by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 10:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
love is a strange thing
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could we afford Melo?
With the impending need to re-sign or restructure the deals of Rose and Noah, can we afford aigning him to a max co tracts without gutting our team in a Miami-esque way? He would’nt be worth it if not.
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by chicago030 on Aug 16, 2010 10:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
unless he brings us a championship right away
and Jerry decides we’re good enough to pay the luxury tax
he's never payed the tax...
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by chicago030 on Aug 17, 2010 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i could have sworn people in other threads discussed the tax
and came to the conclusion that he’d never open his wallet until after we were a championship team.
well there's what he's said, and what he's done
nobody really knows, except GiT of course.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If anyone "knows" anything it's you
Your know less set on your dislike of the front office as I am that JR would pay for a good team if we had one.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, stuff it
at least I ‘know’ the Bulls haven’t deemed their team good enough yet, and for you it’s a moving goalpost as to when they actually would. I hope they do so you’re proven right, that is my ultimate motivation.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Love the pun
Stuff it….so Bulls blog worthy…..
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Moving goalpost???
What the fuck is that. Contender. That’s the goalpost. They haven’t got there. It’s always been the goalpost. They went out and spent for Ben Wallace when they thought they had something. They obviously didn’t and quickly, and smartly scrapped it. Ben Gordon and Kirk Hinrich weren’t winning you a championship. Paxson’s failure as a GM had nothing to do finances.
So they didn’t waste money and overpay on Ben Gordon, get over it. The team has had no reason to go over the tax. There’s no reason to just waste money to be bad, ask the Knicks fans how great it was to spend 50 million dollars on luxury tax to win nothing. It’s pointless. The only times he’s had a reason to spend in the past he’s done so.
How am I the one shooting in the dark? He’s clearly spent every time his teams have been in a position to win something. What evidence is there to suggest he wouldn’t do so in the future?
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He has gone over the cap though, during the Jordan era
But the tax has only been around for a decade. A decade in which the Bulls have never been title contenders. I guess it’s not our money, so while wasting money to be a 6th seed instead of an 8th seed might make for a better regular season fan experience, I don’t really see the value in it.
And while I know.. yfBB. I know. That he loves baseball and hates basketball, he has had big payrolls in baseball, even though the White Sox attendance wasn’t that high, when they were contenders. He paid over the salary cap for Jordan, the second time around when they were contenders.
So while I get the argument that he’s cheap, every time he’s had a chance to win a championship in either sport, he has spent the money to do so. I see no reason to believe he wouldn’t do so in the future if such an opportunity arises.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
As long as they keep getting rid of good but overpaid players before they actually become contenders...
…that’s the moving goalpost.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well that's fine if that's your goal post
But getting rid of players who won’t help you win a championship like Hinrich or Gordon doesn’t change anything. The team is better today than it was when they were here.
My goal post is a team that could be a championship team by spending more. We’ve yet to be in that situation since the luxury tax came into play. When ever he’s been in a position to win a championship though, he has spent.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
ding ding ding
though moving Deng would help. But really this could be a hidden reason to include Noah, not just to get a deal done but then you move a potential high salary later.
obviously that’s massive speculation.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Amen
Right on the money with that thought. Reinsdorf would never take the risk of trading for Melo without including Noah. If they don’t win a championship then they are a team in luxury tax hell. If they include Noah in the deal, whether they win a championship or not, they would still be below a luxury tax. Bigger picture, a team could potentially not have four high salaried players under the new CBA anyway. You are going to have to move Deng or Noah at some point, I would rather move both for a bonafide All-Star then lose one for nothing or “young talent” in a few years. Maybe you bring back Birdman or get a third team involved for another big. Rose, Melo and Boozer is a very, very nice trio.
by CreamoftheClass on Aug 17, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Luxury Tax hell?
With Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and Carmelo Anthony? You’d think these guys are Allan Houston or Eddy Curry, they are good to great players in their prime or not even there yet.
If he cared about the tax as much as some of you think, if it did become a problem, he’d just move one of them for a draft pick to a team that has cap room or something along those lines. He’s not going to shed Noah before it’s a problem. That makes no sense. Cheap or not, he’s still going to be better off keeping him out of a Carmelo trade, even if it’s just so he can trade him for cheap players or a draft pick in the next off season.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
If they built a team around Rose, Melo, Boozer and Noah, people would quickly see how overrated Anthony is.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
no. people would quickly see how undervalued melo is
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Overrated or not
He’d still be someone a team would take off your hands, which would be your only concern if you are trying to avoid the luxury tax.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
When Melo is your 4th best player
You have quite a team
I wouldn't trust ESPN on anything.
What’s next? A 12 hour Melo telethon?
decision part 2
“i have chosen to allow the nuggets to send my talents to the windy city”
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
by sin on Aug 17, 2010 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every team in the league will be trying to get in on this...
…I say Denver takes the best package before the trade deadline, and since they’re rebuilding, that package is going to have to include multiple 1st round draft picks. If the offer is Melo for Noah + Deng, I’d say no way. If the offer is 2-1st rounders, Deng and whoever else they want, I’d say Denver could do a lot worse. They could always lose him for nothing…
by streamsowhiskey on Aug 17, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
I'm probably in the minority but I think Deng is a better fit with the Bulls then Melo would be.
There was a good article by Haberstroh on EPSN a couple of weeks ago which questioned whether Melo was even a max player. Sure, Melo scores a lot but he doesn’t do very much else and compared to the average small forward his scoring efficiency is nothing special. Even his PER from the last two years while good, is not that of what you expect from a max player.
Not sure if it's a minority or not, but you're far from alone in viewing Deng as a better fit
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
you're forgetting the Thibodeau magic dust
I’m wary of it, and it’s sort of an easy call: Denver likely needs Noah, and I wouldn’t do it.
But say it’s the only remaining (as in, nobody else can be dealt anyway until december) package of Deng+Taj+JJ and even if Melo doesn’t sign an extension it’s not a huge risk. And meanwhile Melo is a likely upgrade, and the Bulls would be darn good so he’d likely re-sign.
Is Melo+Boozer a problem defensively? maybe. I think it’s worthwhile risk Melo matures as a player and gets more committed defensively. It’s a risk Deng keeps getting hurt, too.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Melo's game is basically the type that Rose's "most likely" projection ends up at.
High-volume and moderately-efficient scorer. I think Rose can actually be better than that, but percentage-wise, I’d not say it’s “likely.” I’m not sure how two of those would wrok together when you add another high-volume scorer in Boozer, even if he is more efficient.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i think they would be incredible...
offensively. top 3 team potentially.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't.
Melo has a lower ORtg than the rest of his team. I just don’t get why he’s considered so great.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
scores nearly 30ppg at will? i dont think anyone on our team can do that
melo can get his own shot at anytime. deng cant.
melo can score in the clutch. deng cant
etec etc
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
"at will"????
what does that mean? He’s not near as efficient as people who actually do score “at will”. That’s not “at will”. He is quite willing to take a lot of shots, I guess.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If you have 3 guys as good as Melo scoring the basketball for you
than you are going to have a pretty good offense. I think Rose and Boozer would open up the game for Melo. He had his highest TS% of his career playing with Iverson. I think he is a good fit with Rose. A high volume scorer who doesn’t handle the ball as much as guys like Kobe, Lebron or Wade.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He had a rough year two seasons ago...
but if he puts up 22 per consistently, he is definitely a max player.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Aug 17, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
22 PER is not max worthy, especially when that's the high point of his career thus far.
But, he’s also only 25 years old and has at least shown the willingness to improve his game. It could just be a matter of he’s not really good enough to be a complete player.
I also worry how a team with Melo, Rose, and Boozer exists in a happy medium. Rose is unselfish, but he’s yet to worry about teammates who complain about lack of touches.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 17, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't think Melo is a max guy
but unlike Amare or even a guy like Boozer, I think Melo is going to be giving you the same production at the end of his contract as at the beginning – barring a major injury of course.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is a very good point.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
22 PER for a guy who takes 22 shots a game is good but far from great.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I agree with you.
If Deng made $3 million less per year or had a year less on his contract, most people would see it as a no-brainer. I think it’s close, but Anthony at max just doesn’t do it for me.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
he's no Xavier Henry or anything
there’s only so many spots for a max player on this roster. Either you’re getting a SG or upgrading Deng, so Melo is about as good as it can get. And while it would likely be a final big roster move in one sense and there’s the worry of ‘locking in’, in another Melo is still quite young and we’d be buying his prime years.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
and i think he'd be completely tradeable in his prime years if it doesn't work out
so I don’t know how locked in you would be.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
heh, Knicks will always be there
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't think Melo is that big of an upgrade, "as a whole" "as a fit" in this team.
To me, it would be like going from Boozer to Amar’e at their current contracts. How much better does that get the team?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
if joe johnson is a fucking max player
melo sure as hell is
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
Sure it does, but it doesn't mean they're "worth it" in maximizing wins for the money spent.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
saving money dosent win you championships
look at the lakers. there are loads of overpaid players over there.
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
sure
and if the bulls didn’t have to trade anyone to get melo and I knew they’d spend $100 million, I might change my tune.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ya, but it was the underpaid players, Gasol and Bynum, that put them over the top.
Artest and Odom didn’t do much and Kobe pretty much choked in game 7.
i think odom is a really, really underrated player. he does a ton for that team.
for now his contract is awesome.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I'm not sure if using the worst contract in the NBA as a basis for comparison proves that Melo deserves max money.
The JJ signing was so bad that it was even widely panned before it actually happened.
by MrBungle on Aug 17, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Made it to the ESPN rumors page
As Blog-A-Bull proposed via ESPN’s NBA Trade Machine, Anthony for Luol Deng, Taj Gibson and James Johnson works salary-wise.
by Option27 on Aug 17, 2010 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL!
not Ryan Corazza’s fault that ESPN so frequently pees on the line between rumor and speculation.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
and if my random trade machine idea turns into a real rumor
then my goal of becoming the next Sam Smith would be closer to reality.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 17, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hey!
Thats my rumor (kinda). A few weeks back i posted a fanshot proposing this trade, but i got total crqp for it. Even sam smith rejected the idea hah. Im not bitching, just saying
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by chicago030 on Aug 18, 2010 9:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Smith rejected you because you're from Sudan, must have been malnourished as a kid, and have soft bones.
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Good one! ;)
Not. Im not from Sudan. Im from Djoubouti duh.
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by chicago030 on Aug 18, 2010 2:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
so who here secretly works at espn
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
I got one!!!
Most of it is crap but its worthwhile sometimes.
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by chicago030 on Aug 18, 2010 9:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What if...
What if Denver decides that unlike Cleveland they are going to get something for Carmelo so they decide to just trade him to any team that gives them the best offer. Now of course this would mean that Carmelo would just play the one year wherever and then vault for Free agency.
Would it makes sense for the Bulls right now to step forward and offer Luol Deng for Carmelo…for just one season. Now before I get flagged for this suggestion think about it. The Bulls have been trying to get from under Luol’s contract for a while now. Would it be the worst idea for the Bulls to say to Denver “Ok we know he wants to go to NY but we’re willing to rent him for a chance at taking down Miami and getting a ring” “We’ll give you Deng for Carmelo straight up.” I’m not sure what else it would take to match salaries for the deal but I guess my question is this: Would giving up Deng, without a guarantee of Carmelo’s return be worth it?
Yeah but it worked!
Before you get flagged?
You’re suggesting something that was suggested 20 other times in this thread.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Magic and Knicks atop the wish list
Anthony’s hesitation to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Nuggets goes beyond his desire to enjoy the major-market exposure and pressure that LeBron James and Dwyane Wade turned down this summer. Melo would accept other destinations as well, and the Magic are believed to be at the top of his list along with the Knicks, according to a person familiar with his strategy.
The exit strategy began taking shape last week, while Anthony was in New York for Nike’s World Basketball Festival. It was then, according to the source, that Nuggets management was advised to begin exploring trade possibilities for Anthony to avoid losing him as a free agent and getting nothing in return. When Denver fills its vacant GM position, the likely choice, former Suns executive David Griffin, will inherit a crisis similar to the one he endured with Amar’e Stoudemire, who left the Suns for a five-year, $99.9 million deal with the Knicks.
I’d love for the Bulls to be a part of his wish list but I remember we were on Bosh’s wish list as well.
World Wide Wes owes us a favor
Oh, and who is Anthony’s agent again?
Oh, that’s right. Leon Rose. LeBron’s agent and representative for CAA, which also employs William Wesley. If we were in the Matrix, the cat would have walked by twice by now and asked for the Nuggets to fly to New York to pitch Anthony using PowerPoint.
if we're on the list of possible destinations than we have a chance
outside of Howard its not like Orlando can send back overwhelming talent.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
They have some good players on reasonable contracts in Bass, Gortat
VC’s contract for next year is only partially guaranteed and would help replace Melo for this season. Ryan Anderson’s a good player still on his rookie contract. Anderson/Gortat/VC for Melo/Anderson gives them immediate help as well as future salary relief. Would also make give them the depth to use KMart’s expiring contract in another deal if they want.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
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by snley on Aug 17, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vince Carter sucks
they’d be better off just taking the Knicks offer than going with that group.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
to expand
VC, Gortat and Anderson won’t win them anything. And you add $4 million of salary on to a team that is already over the luxury tax. Anderson won’t even play with Harrington as the “shooting” power forward. If you are going to rebuild, than you might as well take 2 or 3 young prospects from the Knicks (Chandler, Gallinari and Randolph) and cap room.
If the idea is to reload than Deng is better than anything Orlando can offer.
Unless Orlando is in love with Gortat (and the Nene/Gortat pairing appears awkward too me) than there is no reason to take anything Orlando has to offer over the Knicks or Bulls.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 17, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgot about Harrington, that was such a stupid signing
VC, though, isn’t really that much worse than Melo. Obviously age is a huge difference, but if they want to try to make one more run this year before blowing up and re-building, they could do worse. VC/Gortat or Bass package isn’t great but neither is Deng/Taj/JJ. It really depends on Denver’s long and short term plans for which would be considered better.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I'm with the Smurf on this one
Getting VC is much better than getting Eddy Curry, but I don’t see how getting Gortat helps them at all since they’re locked into Nene, and I don’t know that Bass is much of anything at all. I don’t think I would trade Taj straight up for Bass, given that he was absolutely buried on the Magic’s bench last year.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Bass being buried behind Lewis, Anderson, and Gortat I don't see as necessarily a terrible thing
Taj would have had a tough time trying to get minutes ahead of those guys as well. I can see where Taj would be more appealing than Bass in a trade. Still, depending on what Denver wants to do, I could see VC being far more appealing than Deng.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I could see it too, but I think Denver would be wrong
they’d basically get a loafed season from Carter, then have to pay him $4m the next year to be off the roster. And I still doubt they get anyone in 2011 free agency better than Deng (who’d have ‘only’ 3 years remaining on his deal at that point)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
While we may not be as big a draw as playing w/ Howard or playing in NY
If he played here for a year with Rose, Boozer and Noah, maybe he realizes just how big a draw he could be in Chicago & stays. In any case, if it’s just Deng & filler like Taj, I’d say it’s worth the risk he walks on us after the season.
Just like the 2010 Summer failure, I’d rather go for Melo for a year and fail to keep than not try to get him at all. If the Knicks are his top choice, you have to think the Bulls wouldn’t be out of the question. We have a big market, an all-star PF and he can handle cold weather obviously.
I guess it depends on what the Nuggets think of Deng, but you’d hope the Bulls would at least try.
by Grinder in Training on Aug 17, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally guarantee that...
Chris broussard will later appear on sportscenter talking about melo and mention the scenarios we have been discussing, and use us as his “league sources tell me” bs.
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by chicago030 on Aug 17, 2010 3:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Have there been any indications about the org's interest or lack thereof in 'Melo?
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by ColonelFatheart on Aug 17, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions
They'll say something like
“We’re always taking into consideration, ways to make this team better.”
And if they miss out on Melo, they’ll say
“We feel the team we have put together this offseason gives us the best shot at competing for a championship.”
Or something like, “We got fighters”
Denver Holds the Leverage
As much as Melo wants to walk around and have his agent demand trades, he has no leverage. The new CBA is likely going to drastically cut salaries. So not signing an extension will likely cost him 30-40% of what he would have made.
If I’m Denver, barring a phenomenal trade offer, I call his bluff. I see if he wants to lose out on $20 million over the next few years. I don’t think he does.
Yeah, if he's going to leave, he's going to leave.
They may not get anything in return, but it’ll be a big expiring contract coming off their books.
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by ColonelFatheart on Aug 17, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't want Boozer to fail...
And you know Pargo won’t fail.
Rudy can't fail
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Melo likes NY, Houston, NJ - SI's Mannix
Should the Denver Nuggets elect to trade Carmelo Anthony, the New York Knicks are believed to be the All-Star forward’s first choice for a new home. But they are not his only option.
Multiple league sources familiar with his situation told SI.com that Anthony would also be open to signing a long-term deal with Houston or New Jersey should either of those teams offer the Nuggets an acceptable trade package.
The Bulls don’t appear to even be in the conversation, so don’t get your hopes (or dander) up.
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by ColonelFatheart on Aug 18, 2010 1:44 PM CDT reply actions
New Jersey over us?
Freakin New Jersey?!
"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah
I'm more offended by Houston
at least NJ is in the mythical big market (or NY market, specifically) that he wants.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 18, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
And they're moving to Brooklyn, where he was born.
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by ColonelFatheart on Aug 18, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously
how is Houston an improvement over Denver? Its bigger but its not like they are set to do a bunch of winning if they get him. And Houston isn’t exactly a media darling either.
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 18, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he likes fat people and air conditioning
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Maybe he wants new ad dollars from China.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 18, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
hey no one even mentioned the heat around june
it was always bulls/cleveland and maybe ny
so we have hope
from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"
eff u man
why are you even at BaB if you arent a Bulls fan?
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by chicago030 on Aug 18, 2010 10:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Per The Denver Post, Melo to meet with Nuggets next week
Nuggets management is expected to sit down with Melo some time after the team names a general manager, which it is expected to do next week. Former Suns executive David Griffin is the leading candidate.
If Melo doesn’t sign an extension next week, Nuggets may very well try and trade Melo immediately.
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