Fast Forward
I know we haven't even gotten to the season yet, but since it's slow, I figured I'd at least entertain myself, with a lil hypothetical thinking. Instead of going thru the whole season, I'm going to fast forward to February, right around the trade deadline. How do u see things shaping up? Record-wise, where r we in the East? Do we look like strong contenders or not ready yet? Will we be aggressive or complacent?
Here's my take:
I don't think Portland takes the bait for Rudy and ends up keeping him. We go into the season with basically this lineup that we have now, with a D-Leauguer as our 13th guy. And the more I think about the more I hope they do stand pat on this Rudy deal.
Record wise -- I think we come into the new year 25-6, 1st in the Central by about 3 or 4 games, and only behind Miami in the Conference. But I see a rocky Jan. leaving us 33-13 going into Feb. I think we've jelled pretty well, but that it's noticable that the offense is more efficient when we have more shooters on the floor. Luol is having a better than average season, but he and Brewer on the floor at the same time just doesn't work. They both are best at slashing and mid range game, but don't help spread the floor. But because of no injuries and back to "2007 form" play, he has become a valueable asset entering the trade deadline.
It looks as if we could be a very strong contender to the Heat. We need more scoring at the SG, a shooter first, playmaker second(preferably both a playmaker and shooter) and don't want to lose the defensive presence that Deng brings at the SF. By the trade deadline, I'm thinking some way better options than Rudy will exist, and we'll have better ammo. A few of the names I think will be available:
-- Stephen Jackson -- Tayshaun Prince -- Andre Iguodala -- Shane Battier
-- Gerald Wallace -- Gilbert Arenas -- Jared Jeffries
-- Rip Hamilton -- Carmelo Anthony -- OJ Mayo
-- Ben Gordon -- J.R Smith -- Rudy Fernandez
Looking at this list what player, or combo of players, best fits our expected needs?
Melo and AI look the most tempting, but trading for those guys will take more than just Lu and our throwaways (Jimmy Johns and 1st round pick). Plus, we'll have added scoring but it will still leave a whole in the starting 5, where Brewer is best off the bench. The rest of that list really doesn't do much for us either, unless u want to go after Rudy again. But wait, there's 2 names that really intrigue me, as potential targets. OJ Mayo and Shane Battier.
Here's my dream deadline trade: ESPN TRADE MACHINE APPROVED
Breakdown:
Bulls Get: SG OJ Mayo from Mem, and SF Shane Battier from Hou
Grizz Get: SF Jimmy Johns from Chi, PF/C Jordan Hill from Hou, G Jermain Taylor from Hou, a 1st round pick from Chi (not Charlotte's), and a 1st round pick from Hou
Rockets Get: SF Luol Deng from Chi and 2nd round pick from Mem
We get our SG, who can shoot, create his own shot, and play good D in Mayo. He pushes Brewer to the bench and is the perfect compliment to D.Rose in the backcourt. Along with Battier, another Dukie, great defender, above average rebounder, and can knock down the 3.
Grizz get 2 young forwards, to develop. Or plenty of cap space if they choose not to extend an offer. JJ could be a nice backup and complement to Rudy Gay. Hill can't find a home, but maybe in Memphis he flourishes behind Z-Bo and beside Baby Gasol. Taylor is a nice scoring combo guard and they get 2 1st rounders. I know they're gettin the short end of the stick but it's not like it didn't happen before and they're gettin way more for OJ than they did for Gasol.
Rockets get the perfect compliment to their style. Deng is in essence a more efficient Trevor Ariza, minus some athleticism. His slashing style and mid range game will work well with Yao and Brooks. Their rotation is now
PG Brooks / Lowry AND they still have Jared Jeffries expiring 6.8 mil to play with.
SG Kev Mart / C Lee
SF Deng / Budinger
PF Scola / Patterson / Hayes
C Ming / Miller / Hayes
We go into the 2nd half of the season looking like this:
PG DRose / Watson
SG OJ Mayo / Brewer / Bogans
SF Battier / Korver
PF Boozer / Gibson
C Noah / Asik / Thomas
I like this roster, we have our additional shooters, and we are probably better defensively with the additions.
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I think that's fair all around..
We’re getting OJ for Jimmy Johns and a 1st, but we’re giving up Lu for Battier.
Houston is getting Deng for Battier, a 1st and spare parts for them in Jordan Hill and Jermain Taylor
Memphis is giving up Mayo, but gettin 2 1st’s, Jordan Hill, JJ, and Jermain Taylor
I just hate it
if you want to be taken seriously, please type the entire word “are” and not “r”. It looks like you put a lot of time into this, but I stopped reading during the first paragraph.
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by Fukudometer on Aug 15, 2010 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ditto that for
“u” being “you”. Two more damn letters, man.
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by Fukudometer on Aug 15, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
says fukudometer?
Better switch up your username ……fuckyoudometer perhaps?
;)
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by mrdope on Aug 16, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or its the Shawn-o-meter
for Kosuke Fukudome, the Cubs outfielder?
Fukudome + Meter = Fukudometer
Although, you certainly lived up to your handle…
by torch on Aug 16, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of that list of players you compiled
Players I would not consider:
Stephen Jackson – good player, bad contract. He will be 34 years old when his contract ends. Career 42% fg isnt too hot either.
Tayshaun Prince – his greatest asset right now is his expiring contract. Since the Bulls will likely be over the salary cap next year after extending Noah, I dont really see any reason to give up young players or draft picks for Prince.
Gilbert Arenas – awful contract and crazy.
Jared Jeffries – offensive liability, and best asset as an expiring contract.
Richard Hamilton – good player, very bad contract. He will also be 34 years old when his contract ends.
Ben Gorden – good player, bad contract (and long).
On the OJ Mayo/Deng trade, I think a Mayo and Rose background would be a defensive liability. Mayo is not a bad defender, but he is an undersized SG with all the trappings. I also dont see Houston wanting any part of that trade. If I am GM of the Rockets, I would want more returns for Battier, Budinger, Jordan Hill, and a 1st rounder than Deng and a 2nd rounder.
Mayo's hardly undersized
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 15, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
OJ Mayo is 6'4.25" in shoes with 6'6" wingspan
Here is his profile from NBAdraft.net 2 years ago:
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/oj-mayo
The first statement about his weakness is that he is somewhat undersized for SG.
Budinger is not apart of the deal, and
get back Deng for Battier is a steal, but Houston giving up a 1st round pick is horrible.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Aug 16, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would OJ Mayo be available?
He is a good player on a rookie contract. If he was available, they’d want a heck of a lot more for him than what you suggest.
Exactly
I’ve heard nothing to indicate that Memphis is shopping mayo. And why would they before his rookie deal ran out, unless they had a shot at trading for a star?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Aug 15, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Idiotic
This is stupid too even bring up and why the hell would Houston do that trade? Battier is really good and they already have SF’s. They wouldn’t take on Deng’s contract as they just traded Ariza to cut cap.
Off topic, sort of
but in NBA 2k10, in a display of complete stupidity by the AI, Houston offered me Shane Battier AND Luis Scola for Luol Deng. I promptly accepted the trade and whooped ass for the rest of the season.
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I've manuevered my way to
Rose/Carter
Fernandez/Korver
Melo/Alexander
Boozer/Taj
Noah/Asik
Korver’s release is sssllllloooowww though. Hope they changed it for 2k11.
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by Sir Buckets on Aug 15, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
furthermoring my ever-so-constant point that what happens in a videogame is completely and totally fucking irrelevant.
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by dantheman3k on Aug 16, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Trade discussions as of 8/14/2010
Miami is rumored to be offering Mario Chalmers (PG) and Drexler Pittman (Center) for Rudy Fernandez.
Orlando is rumored to be offering Daniel Orton & future 1st for Rudy Fernandez & Portland 2nd
Portland lukewarm on Bulls offer of James Johnson & Charlotte’s 2012 1st for Rudy & rights to Victor Claver (6’10 PF/SF).
Golden State is shopping both Monta Ellis and Andris Biedrins. Warriors are rebuilding around Stephen Curry and David Lee and are looking to reduce salaries.
I don't get if
We start the year at this phenomenal 25-6 rate (full year that’s a 66 win pace) then fall to 33-13 (full year pace of still 58.8 games, why we’d take all the major risks and trade Luol Deng (who I think would be a key piece to our 25-6 start…..
I doubt we start at 25-6 (new pieces, new coach, circus trip, but if we did there’s little chance we’d do a major trade in yr 1 of the new team…..
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by majoyenrac on Aug 16, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
At least you're entertaining yourself
and me. 25-6?? yeah right more like 19-12. Don’t want any of the people listed (except Melo) and who knows what we’d give up for his half season with us before he leaves. Come on October.
you wouldn't want gerald wallace??
he rules. oj mayo is pretty good as well..
by obnoxious american on Aug 17, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Wallace is not that much better than Deng
he’s cheaper though, which is nice….
He’s a better defender and rebounder, but Deng’s better all around offensively by a pretty good margin.
Deng’s actually been healthier and is younger….
I don’t think the upgrade to Wallace is going to make a major change to our team….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

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