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ShamSports on the Bulls 'Creative Financing'

Sham goes over the how/why (to supplement the news he published last week) the Bulls and other teams did the contract quirks they did this offseason:

Incidentally, the wonky up-and-downy contracts the Bulls have handed out are done so entirely deliberately. It is not a coincidence that Carlos Boozer's salary takes a significant upstroke only after that of Luol Deng has expired; similarly, it is not a coincidence that these three unguaranteed contracts all come in the summer that Derrick Rose will need paying. It is not a coincidence that Brewer and Watson's contracts goes down over their lifespan, nor that J.J. Redick's would have done, nor that Korver's flatlines, nor that Boozer's hits its lowest point at the time Joakim Noah will need a new contract. Once the max-slot guys all agreed to sign with Miami, Chicago's priority became obtaining good quality role players at competitive prices while maintaining roster flexibility. They have done it well, even if they still need another shooter.


To say there's more at the link would be an understatement. Go there if you've got some free time and enjoy:

  • The Bulls contracts with unguaranteed years, and the difference between that and a team option.
  • Using the BAE or the MLE
  • Performance bonuses and rookie scale contracts (for the Xavier Henry zealots)
  • No-trade clauses and trade kickers
  • How the Heat did what they did
  • Players whose rights were renounced
  • Teams still over the tax and who you'd think will be moved as a result

epic.

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Devil's advocate.

We still haven’t seen how Reinsdorf will act when we go into free agency with a team very close to a championship. Once you consider that Bosh/Wade/Lebron were never really on the table, there’s not much more the Bulls could have done this off-season, trades aside. Also, the contracts may be structured this way so that just in case this team doesn’t work out as well as some of us hope it does, Reinsdorf won’t be pulling a Cubs, paying tons for a non-contender.

There has really not yet been a chance for us to see how Reinsdorf spends when he’s close enough, so I think we still need to be open minded about it.

by dakoose on Aug 12, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yes.. there has, and he did.

This may be a surprise, but he was the owner in the 90’s.

They paid Jordan 30+ million in 96/97, the salary cap was only 24.4 million. There was no luxury tax then, but the fact is, he still paid Jordan a shit ton of money for two years. I realize that was a special case, but the guy did spend some money on that team. Rodman made 9 million in 96 too, so it wasn’t just Jordan that got money that year.

by Grinder in Training on Aug 13, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was after they had already won multiple titles. The concern is that because of the luxury tax he won't pay

to get a team into title contention, not that he won’t pay for a team once it’s already proven it is a contender. It’s really hard to build a contender without first going into the luxury tax. He has shown no willingness to do this and in fact has indicated that he would only pay for a contender, seemingly making contending a requirement before he spends.

The Chicago Bulls hate shooting ability.

by fundamentallysound on Aug 13, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think (well, i hope) if the bulls

can show they’re at least ECF contenders – which i believe they are – then maybe he’ll be willing to spend to keep the team? or bring in one more piece. i don’t blame a guy for not wanting to spend a lot to keep a .500 team who got crushed in the second round together. but i’d think if the bulls put together a good run this season, he may pay up for that…

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Aug 14, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me, it says that they will spend

But they’ll still try and cut costs at every turn.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Aug 13, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

How much should be spent on Ronnie Brewer?

by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Aug 13, 2010 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

They got everyone they wanted.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Aug 13, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who said that?

Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.

by Illini15 on Aug 13, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only the snarky ones.

DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 13, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

theres more than one xavier henry zealot???

from now on instead of saying "go fuck yourself" im gunna just say "go join the heat"

by sin on Aug 12, 2010 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree about Henry

Memphis is setting up a losing proposition for themselves, Henry and Tellem

If they aren’t offering a standard incentive based contract, as Sham guesses is likely, the agent and the player have every incentive to hold out long as possible. The incentive is greatest for the agent, because whatever money he may lose in not getting Henry to sign a standard contract or even any contract at all, dwarfs in comparison to the money he will lose competing for future draft picks when he has to explain to each of them why he couldn’t get a standard contract for the #8 pick in the draft. In fact, I think Arn Tellem has every reason to push this hold out as far as possible. This just makes him look too bad for potential clients. There is nothing wrong with Henry that you can point to, to explain his inability to garner a full contract – the blame will fall to Tellem.

As for Henry – why sign a contract you will never meet? Lets face it, he probably wasn’t too excited to be going to Memphis in the first place. He is playing behind 2 young players with All-star aspirations who came off seasons where they played 38 minutes a game. He has free agent signing Tony Allen sitting next to him on the bench. He starts the season as the 4th swingman, and that isn’t counting any competition from Demare Carroll who played 11 minutes a game last season. The James Anderson comparison isn’t apt, because we are talking about 3-5% differences for a guy picked 20. Henry was a lottery pick and we don’t know how steep those incentives are. I think the higher you go the more leverage you probably have. Yeah, Henry pockets will hurt. But Memphis’ image around the league will hurt, and when it comes to a player’s league, that matters.

Finally, yeah, Memphis is perceived differently than San Antonio. And while unfortunate, it is the reality. Memphis annually picks in the lottery. How damaging would it be if agents refused to work out their clients there? How much did it hurt the franchise when Steve Francis refused to sign? San Antonio is looking at guys who are being picked in the late 1st round and who have real danger to fall into the 2nd round. Who knows whether as a condition of a 1st round promise, San Antonio makes a player take a less than full contract. The risk of falling into the 2nd round is incentive to agree. Henry did not have anywhere near the same risk. Is Memphis really willing to damage their reputation over less than 1% of their total payroll? Apparently yes.

by Basketball Smurf on Aug 12, 2010 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

"the agent and the player have every incentive to hold out long as possible."

Absolutely. But they’ll lose, just like George Hill did. Hill signed his rookie deal – the one that drops below the minimum salary – one week before training camp 2008 started, and three whole months after he was drafted. They held out for the full shaboodle, and yet SA refused to yield. At that point, Hill’s options became either taking the discounted deal, or not playing in the NBA. He took the former. So will Henry, eventually.

by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Aug 12, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tellem’s counter-weapon is make to the Grizzlies look like hideous malicious twonks, something which the international media will happily go along with. Yet what, really, are they doing wrong? They hold the cards and are playing them accordingly. It looks bad because of WHO THEY ARE, not what they’re doing.

by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Aug 12, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Anderson was picked only 8 places below Henry. I agree that with Mahinmi and Hill, they could use the “this is the only team that would have drafted you in the first round so deal with it” reasoning, and said as much in the post. But not so for Anderson. If Memphis was picking 2nd overall and San An 28th, it’s a very different beast, but 12th to 20th doesn’t mean much. It’s only the lottery in the most tenuous sense.

by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Aug 12, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Additionally, I don’t think Memphis should have done this. The PR risk was always there, and now they’re living it; this is a team that can’t afford terrible PR, and yet they just invited it upon themselves for the sake of a minimum salary contract. Not worth it.

But what I am trying to do, more than anything, is redress the hypocrisy. What’s the difference between what San An are doing and what Memphis are? Not a lot, but the Spurs are lauded and the Grizzlies are lampooned. I believe I have shown that there’s really no significant difference between the two’s modus operandi, and that such a double standard is unfair. Or if I haven’t, that’s what I meant to do.

by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Aug 12, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you want to redress hypocrisy, have at it

there is tons in the media. But if I’m a fan of Memphis, why do I care? The only thing I care about is putting the best team on the floor now and in the future. If I see a move that saves the franchise a few hundred thousand now, but costs them tons more in PR and bad relations with players, fans and agents going forward, I’m going to be pissed. This isn’t some sort of morality play, we aren’t in Philosophy class, this is business. The benefit of (perhaps) not paying Henry a few hundred thousand less over the next few years does not outweigh the cost in PR. Once you made that analysis, everything else is just window dressing.

If I’m a fan of Memphis, I want my team to give the standard contract, if not the full 120%. Because unlike San Antonio, we haven’t been in the playoffs for 20 out of the last 21 years. We don’t have any future hall of famers on our roster. We didn’t win 4 championships in 8 years. And we haven’t built up the cache to risk coming off like an ass in public nor do we have a history of being particularly savvy when it comes to putting together an NBA team. Memphis is a couple of injuries away of from being called Clippers South. This move simply isn’t worth the risk.

by Basketball Smurf on Aug 12, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and as for players being picked at the end of the first in danger of slipping into the second……what should we make of the fact that Memphis also hasn’t signed Greivis Vasquez, the 28th overall pick, picked as far after Anderson as Anderson was after Henry? Surely they could 110% withouy reprisal? Because I bet they don’t.

by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Aug 12, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Key Point in There about Cap Space
Because of the 2010 free agency bonanza, there’s considerably more teams with cap relief than there are teams that need it. This is a far cry from the usual fare, where many teams have to bite the bullet and pay some tax, because there aren’t enough teams able to take on their excess salary (nor enough dead salary to dump). Oklahoma City were the beneficiaries of this system last year when they took on Matt Harpring’s dead weight contract from Utah, receiving Eric Maynor as the sweetening incentive for doing so. Oklahoma City did a similar deal on draft night when they agreed to take on Mo Peterson’s deadweight salary from New Orleans as a vehicle for obtaining Cole Aldrich’s draft rights; in return, they sent the #21 and #26 picks the other way.

In making that trade, the Thunder took themselves out of the free agency running. Their cap space, which could have otherwise been significant, was bludgeoned to a dollop by the presence of Peterson’s redundant post-trade kicker salary of $6,665,000, money which could otherwise have been spent on free agents. Of course, the Thunder knew this in advance, and did the deal anyway. They clearly felt that Aldrich was a better player and a better fit than anyone they could realistically land in free agency.

Based on what transpired, they were right. Three of the biggest free agents landed in Miami. Three more re-signed. David Lee went to a team without cap space. New York and Chicago bagged only one each; New Jersey, L.A. Clippers, Sacramento and Minnesota came away with none. There remain very few decent free agents now – Louis Amundson excepted – and yet some teams out there still have money to spend without anyone to spend it on.

Since so many teams had so much cap space, only to strike out, some of that cap space still remains. There also exist some TPE’s, a list of which can be found on this website. (It’s slow to update, however.) With the market largely bereft of multi-year contract candidates,, teams might now have to use that cap space via trade. Just like Oklahoma City did.

There’s not a whole lot of luxury tax-paying teams out there. Or rather, to rephrase that; there’s not a whole lot of teams out there who are threatened by the luxury tax and looking to make moves to get under it (like New Orleans were with the Aldrich deal). Most of the tax paying teams are there on purpose. Yet there exist some teas that both want and need to dump salary in ways which, if you think about them enough, are entirely predictable. Maybe not the specifics, but the general idea.

I have been trying to make this point on here, but it is put much better here than I could.

by JSB on Aug 12, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

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