A Clippers fan asking about Vinny
I'm a dedicated basketball fan and in particular a fan of the Los Angeles Clippers.
We recently signed your old coach VDN which I wasn't to fond of orginally because his competitor was Dwane Casey, the Dallas Mavericks assistant coach. I preferred casey over VDN because of his knowledge of the game and his offensive schemes. Point being I shouldn't really hate on a coach that got his team to the NBA playoffs two years in a row.
I wanted to get a perspective from you guys, Bulls fans, because who would know more about VDN than the team'ss fans. I would appreciate if the blog a bulls citizens respectfully gave me their opinions of his offensive/defensive schemes and over all coaching quality. Thanks and good luck tomorrow!
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Well, you should probably know that this community was pretty ruthless on VDN for the whole time he was here. To your credit, at least you are hiring an experienced coach with two years of playoffs under his belt. We hired a “likeable front office guy with a bright future” and we suffered through some growing pains.
X & O’s: Vinny is pretty terrible. There’s not much creativity and supposedly we had the fewest offensive plays in the league. Strangely, the Bulls surrounded Vinny with two former head coaches and an assistant with about a billion years experiences. You’d have thought, between them, they could have created some play that worked. In fairness to Vinny… He didn’t have a single player with reliable post moves, and didn’t have one reliable 3 point shooter. I guess your options become limited.
Game Manager: Year 1 – disaster. If he saw his shadow, he’d call a timeout. Arguably he cost us a playoff series against Boston by not saving a timeout to advance the ball in the final seconds. Year 2 – Huge improvement. In fairness, he had a shallow bench in year 2 as we were more interested in shedding salary for this ongoing Lebron spectacle than creating a deep team.
Motivation: People can complain about Vinny, but players seem to respond to him. He got excellent effort from all but a few, and not getting effort from Tyrus Thomas, Coach Killer Extraordinaire, is hardly a reason to place blame.
Pace: He favors an uptempo game, though he may have been coaching to the Bulls personnel, and undersized team with a lighting quick point guard.
Press Conferences: Snoozers… He’s never met a cliche he didn’t commit to memory and utilize ad nauseum.
Results: In his first year, he pretty much got what was expected. He coached an average team to a 41-41 record. He played young players and we saw a lot of improvement in them. In Year 2, even the biggest Vinny haters have to tip their caps to him. Talk about having the deck stacked against you: 1) Your leading scorer (Ben Gordon) leaves without compensation, During the year, a decent wingman (Johh Salmons) is traded for what amounts to at best a bottom of rotation player (Hakim Warrick) and Tyrus Thomas, an enigma in raw talent who is always tantalizingly close to putting it together is traded for Ronald Flip Murray and his 33% 3pt proficiency. His star point guard is hobbled at the beginning of the season for about 15 games, and later misses more games. His emerging star center gets a chronic case of walking on pins and needles (because I’m too lazy to look up spelling of plantar fa???as) and misses a bunch of games and has his minutes limited in more. We suffer some other injuries, and because of our shallow bench, it’s so bad, Vinny is forced to play AARP member Lindsey Hunter and some guy they must have stopped the bus for on the way to the stadium who was practicing his half court falling out of bounds jumpers with “Pargo” on the back of his jersey. And through it all, we manage to finish 41-41 again. Some will argue, it’s more a testament to the emergence of Rose and Noah. Can’t argue that those players improvements most greatly contributed to our modest success last year but doesn’t a head coach deserve a little credit when his young players perform? .
Player Loyalty: On his way out the door, most Bulls had good public things to say about him, but nobody went to the mat for him. I haven’t read of any further griping about him, so I assume he was reasonably respected in the locker room, though nobody confused him with Red Auerbach.
Fan Loyalty: Who cares? it will be about 2nd quarter of our first game before we turn on our new coach for not having what we think is the right facial expression during a time out. Such is the nature of the beast.
Goodluck. A lot of us are hoping Griffin comes back strong.
by Carcando on Jul 8, 2010 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
This is a very good analysis...
and a fair analysis at that. I was extremely critical of VND for his mistakes, but the front office certainly didn’t do him any favors.
One point I would add in regards to the Bull’s front office is after VDN was here for about 2 months I think their opinion turned on him. If it were not for the incredible Boston series, he very well may have been fired in year one. VDN’s rookie year was pretty awful.
The most publicized front office/VDN conflict was a physical confrontation between VDN and Pax at the end of last season. It is still a little hazy as to what actually occurred, but the reason for it was VDN playing Noah despite having an explicit order not to play him due to his foot problems.
I thought...
It was that he didn’t play him when a game went to overtime because he was told to limit his minutes and Noah had already played too many.
He was told to limit the minutes, he did so, then got yelled at for limiting them. Am I missremembering this? I may have pre-deceived notions…
There were snarky reports out there...
One point I would add in regards to the Bull’s front office is after VDN was here for about 2 months I think their opinion turned on him.
That VDN sold them on defensive intensity first and foremost, and what we remember from year one, that was not exactly what he got his team to deliver on the court. Year two, the mantra from the offseason on was defense first, and the team actually responded by playing above average defense.
My point is that VDN is a good interview. He picked up on the things that your front office values (I AM CHEAP!) and sold that to them in the interview…where Casey was probably a little more straightforward (speculation).
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Waht about BG?
didn’t have one reliable 3 point shooter.
Vinny wasn’t the worst coach. Still, the only good things you can say about him is just damning with faint praise.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
We may give VDN a hard stick but only because he’s had more than a few growing pains and led us to a fair share of facepalms with his rookie mistakes.
I’d like to think he’s learned from them and he probably has. Considering what he did here considering what he had in the cupboard (other than Rose), I’m willing to call VDN’s tenure here a mild success.
In terms of player development, he’s not going to do a lot. But he’s a premier motivator and I’m willing to stake that was what finally got Noah to be what he is today.
You guys got a decent coach there. He’s far from the finished product but he’ll turn out well. Hopefully Stirling gives him a fair shake.
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by Poloplaya14 on Jul 8, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
thanks man...
I needed someone to jump off their kiddie scooter and leave a comment.
THANKS TO EVERYONE!!!
I really appreciate all the insight. Hopefully he continues to grow and utilizes both our low post presents. Once again thanks Blog A Bull!!!
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Get used to random timeouts and flowing locks of hair
by sweetneyisfat on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He stinks your in trouble
Hes probly a defensive of coach in a nba team.he dosent know how to use his players and dosent no nothing about offense,And dosent know how to run plays and calls time outs all the time cause hes not a nba coach..Sorry i feel for you.

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