BlogABron 7/6 (#2) - Bosh to CLE, Bosh to MIA, nobody to Chicago anymore (apparently)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 11:39 AM CDT
Email
PrintSome movement this morning on the rumor front, the biggest being from Chris Broussard which has LeBron recruiting Chris Bosh for Cleveland, and the Raptors already agreeing with some combination of Hickson, Varejao, West, Parker, and picks. Not the greatest haul for Toronto, but one the Bulls can't clearly trump without Noah. KC is reporting the Bulls are also still talking with Toronto.
The bad 'news' (if this is news, and it's not, just rumor/speculation) is LeBron recruiting anyone for Cleveland. Windhorst tweeted Monday night that William Wesley's declining influence in the LeBron camp leads to LeBron staying home.
Worse news is if it's also pulling Bosh off the table. There's the idea that without Bosh to join him in Miami, Wade would surely see there's no big enough improvement for the Heat and he'd leave to Chicago. So that's a hope. Chad Ford sums up the 'current' situation pretty nicely (ht: comments section):
Here’s the thing with LeBron, Wade or Bosh rumors right now. Good sources are differing on virtually everything you hear. One trusted source will say one thing. Another source will contradict it. Sometimes same source will contradict in the same day. So it’s tough. Here’s what I think we know. LeBron and Bosh would like to play together. Wade and Bosh would like to play together. LeBron, ideally would prefer to head back to Cleveland if they can put a winner on the floor. Adding Bosh would be a big step in the right direction. Bosh, however, prefers to land in either Miami, Chicago or NJ. Wade looks like he’s down to either Miami or Chicago. What no one can agree on is this: Do Wade and LBJ want to play together? I’ve heard credible sources contradict each other on this. I don’t know. If all three want to play together … Miami is the only place where that can realistically happen without the players taking massive paycuts.
677 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Please no...
Keep Mr. Hope and Change out of this….he has enough problems to deal with.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I wonder.........
……If LBJ and Bosh tell their guys, what too say to everyone…….Probably…
by I love football! on Jul 6, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
I'm surprised at the consensus
that LeBron actually wants to stay in Cleveland. They’ve had 6 years to add pieces to give him a championship roster and mostly added veterans with bad contracts. I would be surprised if LeBron was still a Cav by the end of the week if he really is sincere about wanting to win.
Wade + Boozer/Lee
is still good…assuming we can land wade that is…
man this is what i was fearing, hinrich gets traded and the bulls miss out on the big 3
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I'm still hoping Captian Kirk serves as the catalyst for a 2nd dynasty
by being traded.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
thats what i was hoping too
but…if we dont sign anyone of superstar talent this year, next year that money will probably be gone…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
wade + Lee and Noah w/ Rose
ill take it
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
I think the one thing the Bulls can hope for now...
Is for Bosh to go to the Cavs so we can get Wade. Bron seems out of play. I will also reiterate what I just posted on Twitter – @BullsBlogger If the Bulls walk away from this with CARLOS BOOZER I don’t even know how I’m going to be able to watch this year.
you'll watch Rose
and Noah. It’s not that hard.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jul 6, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see him staying if Bosh doesn’t come. IMO Bosh to Cleveland is a last ditch hail mary pass to keep him there and if it doesn’t come off he’s gone.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice reasoning
You’re a calming influence.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 11:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe trying to make him look bad if he leaves
But we did everything to get you a winning team!
-Cavs
And
Boozer + $13M can really help us out.
Boozer’s exactly the post guy we’ve needed since oh ever or at least Horace Grant perhaps. Good inside scorer. We have enough defenders around him, and would have quite the punch with Rose-Boozer as a 1/2 and having the good midrange Deng back to his natural midrange self.
Add a shooter or 2, and a backup C and voila we’re MUCH better than last year…..
I wouldn’t discount Boozer, he’s an elite O post game guy…..
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
by majoyenrac on Jul 6, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All guys can get injured though
I know Boozer’s been hurt a lot, but all it takes is one bad fall from a LBJ, etc and he’s hurt too….and perhaps Boozer can get healthy too.
Hey it worked reasonably well for Marcus Camby, who was hurt like 50% of the time when he was younger, which kept him from being the all star he was, then he started to play reasonably more games in his upper 30’s.
I don’t know. I hear the injury thing, but to me BOOZER > Lee in all aspects.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Are you referring to Curry's weight problem?
Thats not very nice.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
who here thinks that bulls management will give up noah for bosh?
of course with the addition of lebron
they better?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Yeah I agree
It’s so damn hard trying to build a contender with Deng’s and Noah’s limitations offensively. It almost forces us to stick a 3pt shooter at SG and a post scorer at PF. Bosh is 1 year older, and is pretty clearly the better player imo. You get Rose and Bosh together, and suddenly you have unlimited ways to turn that into a winner.
No chance Noah leaves for Bosh
I wouldn’t take Bosh for Noah straight up. Noah is the type of player you have to have to build a dynasty, Bosh is not.
this is insanity
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 6, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
They should do it
Bosh and Bron much> than Noah by himself.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Bosh >>>> Noah
Bosh + LeBron isn’t even a comparison.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 6, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And to be clear
It isn’t because I think Noah > Bosh. I just think, in terms of building a coherent roster, Noah is a pretty vital piece for the Bulls at the moment — one whose contributions aren’t simply “replaced” by Bosh’s (definitely superior) productivity.
I think unless we know who the new center would be
It’s hard to judge that move. Let’s say they do move Noah, maybe they already have a center lined up in another trade. I mean it’s only a bad move until we add a starting center, and for all we know that could already be set up.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm glad KC's report is out there now.
It should somewhat appease the folks worried about the org “not doing anything.”
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 11:49 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Second prize is a set of steak knives
Third prize is you’re fired.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
awesome example of character acting.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
It's a little irritating how quickly people are forgetting how much the org has done to be a player this summer
At the end of the day, these guys have multiple offers out there and the right to choose between them. Much as we all love the Bulls, it’s ridiculous to act like all the FAs can’t wait to come here, and if they don’t it must be the org’s fault.
they've been very diligently sending players away for nothing
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which is exactly what everyone wanted them to do, no?
While still maintaining a playoff team last season.
I think he's just saying it wasn't exactly the hardest task in the world
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
How many posts were there prior to Kirk’s contract being moved about that being impossible? And how many people (here and in the media) were astounded that the Bulls got Washington to do it without taking back anything cap-wise?
How many reports have there been that the Bulls are shopping Lu with no takers?
by wjb1492 on Jul 6, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
this is the new development model
Pay your players just enough so that they’re worth more than nothing, then trade them for nothing so that you can fill it with quality players that are way better than nothing.
very poetic cubbybear. Kudos to you.
If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost. You can still call him vile names.
Elbert Hubbard
by Tyrusmancrush on Jul 6, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
didnt bosh wanna go somewhere
where he can grow his brand…is cleavland that place? Can he share cleavlands spotlight with lebron…it just doesnt seem possible…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Can Bosh grow a brand anywhere? I'd love him in a Bulls uni, but his shit aint as hot as he thinks it is.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
playing next to LeBron
will help to grow his brand to an extent. Also, the additional 30MM is big deal for him
But he'll have to
1) Play in CLE
2) Play C in CLE
Bosh will force a S&T to CHI or MIA. He has leverage, too.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I hear Haywood to the Cavs for the MLE is a possibility, and Shaq would come back for the minimum if Lebron and Bosh are there. So I don’t think 2 is an issue, but it does seem like 1 is the reason why it hasn’t happened yet and why it may not happen at all.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, they have some flexibility to get a more 'true' center
Z could hold up another year too.
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If Cleveland wins
Bosh’s brand grows. If he’s linked with Lebron, his brand grows.
I know Gasol’s in LA, but think of it this way if they hadn’t won he’d be another Lamar Odom out there…..even if he’s freaking good.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
New, updated ESPN Predictions
Interesting stuff:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgency-100706
Adande is saying LBJ 25% NY and 10% Chicago
Somebody should fire this guy’s ass
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
nah, I just wrote as I read
Saw Sheridan later
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Sheridan should be fired
he should be arrested
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting
To me, this was the most interesting prediction:
Hollinger:
Chicago: 60%
Miami: 30%
New Jersey: 3%
Houston: 3%
LA Lakers: 3%
Toronto: 1%
Bosh ultimately needs a sign-and-trade to get out of Toronto on his terms, and Chicago is best positioned, with assets that would appeal to the Raptors. Because of that and the Bulls’ strong supporting cast already in place, I can see Bosh becoming a Bull even if neither LeBron nor Wade joins him.
by RM on Jul 6, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's tough to determine what pieces the Bulls have in contrast to pieces they'd actually use
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. I.e., Noah.
Hollinger’s been so off in the past that you’d have to wonder whether he’s including Noah.
"It’d be ridiculous to hate someone for simply what they say in a sports blog. But I greatly dislike every syllable of your angst-filled, smarmy, nondescript, half-assed, elitist-garbage responses." –Rogerspark Kris
i liked stein
Marc Stein, ESPN.com:
Cleveland: 75%
Chicago: 15%
The field: 10%
The only reason I’m giving the Bulls (or anyone else) as much of a shot here as I have is because -- process .
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
of course this will be the most interesting for you
because of chicago: 60
May all work out
If TOR is willing to do S&T and Bosh, like any reasonable human being, is averse to going to CLE, TOR has to work something out with CHI or MIA.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
Not unless Bosh wants the extra money so badly he won’t just walk away. You only have bargaining power if you don’t come across as desperate. Who knows how he’s been communicating to the Raptors.
Option A: “please please please please gimme the extra cash, i’ll do anything”
Option B: “well i don’t want it THAT much, if you don’t trade me where i want then i’ll walk away”
If it’s A the Raptors know they can drive a hard bargain, if it’s B then they know they have to take what they can get or come away empty handed.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
True
but acknowledging this reality makes me depressed and I’d prefer to be optimistic
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Luol + $50M in liability really a positive?
Put another way: If Deng were a FA, would the Raps sign him to a 4/$50M deal?
I don’t know the answer to that, but the Raps are thinking about that.
I think someone would
4 years for 50 million for his production? That’s pretty damn good on this market. Look at what Drew Gooden got or John Salmons?
I mean 5 years, 39 million for an old John Salmons or 4/50 for an entering his prime, Luol Deng? In this market, Luol is a bargain.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok people keep saying that but seriously
if Luol Deng is such a good bargain then why can’t the Bulls give him away for anything? Serious question.
Why would we give him away for nothing?
He’s a steal right now. Until there is a guarantee that getting rid of him for nothing would get us LeBron James, there is no point to it. You don’t give away your valuable, young players for no reason.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's to say they've tried and failed?
I can’t believe the Clippers aren’t constantly calling asking to give up a second round pick for him.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Only every media person out there
Also all you have to do is look and see that he’s still a Bull right now to know he isn’t as valuable as a lot of Bulls fans think.
Or the Bulls simply value him more than simple cap space until they are certain someone is coming that's better.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 6, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at everything else media people have said.
It’s obvious they don’t have a clue.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
I’ll refer you to the other two replies, but I’ll add that the Bulls, having no guarantee that they’ll get any free agent at this time, would be absolutely stupid to trade Deng away for nothing.
Besides, the only report I’ve read is that Toronto doesn’t want Deng in a sign-and-trade but prefers Noah. I’ll reply: Duh?
is there another you could direct me to?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well I was listening to guys like Jason Goff on the Score
and Nick Fridell on ESPN that have stated that the Bulls have been trying to trade Deng to get enough space for 2 Max players but haven’t been able to. That way they could tell these FAs at the time of meeting with them that they could out right sign 2 Max players and not totally decimating the team in doing so.
Whether it’s Toronto or any other team, the fact that he’s over valued and over paid to the point that a team like Toronto doesn’t want him at all I think hampers the Bulls ability a bit to deal with the major FAs
Jason Goff
Also said Bosh and Wade are eminent. The guy is just getting started in the business, his sources are probably no better than yours.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Then I was wrong Dils.
Your sources are much better than Jason Goff’s.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well John Salmons ain't a fair comparison
Becuase I guarantee people will pay $7.8M for his production vs Luol, even if Luol is 5 yrs younger.
I’d compare him to Rip Hamilton (much older, more exp), Rudy Gay (what 1 yr younger, not as good a defender, probably equal on O, but gets a few more calls for him, never been on a playoff team or played many close important games, and he’s now at $16.4M a year)….
There are many others….though Richard Jefferson opting out hurts our comparison, cuz Luol’s a lot better. RJ screams moron to me, passing up $15M so he can earn that in 3 yrs.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Exactly
Bosh has leverage in this. Bosh can force the S&T at his whim. True, TOR could call his bluff and say fine: sign outright with someone else, but Bosh really has the leverage.
See here for more details, but it seems that in the case of unrestricted free agents, they have all the leverage. All these players got to go where they wanted. Teams with cap space seemed to have the advantage because teams would need to take very little cap space, if any back, to make the trade happen. If Bosh wants to come to Chicago, he will have no problem forcing a S&T, unless Raptors really want to lose him for nothing.
Luol Deng's Salary for this season
So Hoopshype has it at: $11,355,850
Sham has it at: $11,345,000
anyone know the correct one? Thanks in advance.
$11,345,000
According to Storytellercontracts.com
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I'd always trust Sham over Hoopshype
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The worst part?
Me wasting alot of my time this week tryin to click refresh on hoopshype
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Worser Part?
My internet speed being slower cuz Im tryin to save money
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Bosh seems like the key
Got to go make it happen before Cleveland or Miami do. Offer Noah to make it happen.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
Even Worst part?
Knicks fans ending with something and us with nada. arggggggagagaagaggghhhh
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
How do we end up with nothing?
Worst case scenario:
- Lebron stays in Cleveland and get Bosh to join him through a S&T
- Wade stays in Miami – presumedly brings Boozer with him
- Knicks S&T Lee for another piece
But, if you are Boozer, why in the world do you go to Miami if Wade is the only piece there? We still make more sense with Rose, Deng, and Noah.
Cause he lives in Miami, he wouldn't have to buy a house he already has one.
And some of his close relatives live down here also. So it would make more sense for boozer to play for Miami.
by Dolphins21MZ on Jul 6, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
And because miami fans in Blogabull said so
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
What a stupid response, Am just stating a fact he lives down here.
And he already said he wants to play for the heat.
by Dolphins21MZ on Jul 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You'll feel better when Amar'e's eye and knee completely fall apart
and they still owe him $20 mil – under a new CBA
Here is my plan:
IF Lebron wants to play with Bosh, and IF Toronto won’t do a S/T without Noah, here’s what we do:
1. trade noah for Bosh
2. sign lebron
3. trade deng for pietrus and gortat
i think this works under the cap, and i think all these deals are realistic.
that gives us a starting lineup of rose/pietrus/lebron/bosh/gortat with taj and jj off the bench. i think that team is the easy favorites in the East.
I don’t want to lose Noah, but if you can make that deal I think you have to.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2010 12:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly
Can’t let Noah stand in the way of greatness. He’s a nice player, but won’t win anything on his own.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
The thing is
we have no reason to trade Noah for Bosh, none. Two major selling points to Bosh are that Bulls + Bosh has a shot at a title immediately, and he can play PF next to Noah. Trading Noah means the Bulls are just Derrick + Deng.
In other words
Bosh has no reason to want that trade.
i think the PF thing is a big deal too
anywhere else, Bosh could be stuck playing some C, or stuck next to a crappy C. not the case here. plus, Bosh has leverage in not only where he wants to go, but possibly who comes with. if Bosh decides he’s coming here, we could very well see Wade rushing to join him. let’s face it, Miami with just Wade/Boozer is a 3 or 4 seed, with a short window too boot.
Is he good enough to start for a championship team?
I mean the guy has started 3 games in his career (I understand Howard was in front of him, but that doesn’t change anything). We have no way of knowing how he would hold up in a full time starting role.
I agree he has some potential, but you’d really have to be sure he can hold it down if you’re moving Noah.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He most definitely
is good enouggh to start on a championship team, if the rest of the team is Rose, Pietrus, Lebron and Bosh. Bynum started on a championship team and he could barely walk.
DEJESUS!!!
Bynum has shown a lot more in this league than Gortat has.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
in the regular season he's shown more
in the finals he couldn’t do anything. And they still won. That’s the point.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kendrick Perkins...
Luc Longley, Ben Wallace and Fabricio Oberto were starting centers on Championship teams…I think Gortat could handle it.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ben Wallace won a defensive player of the year award
And led the league in rebounds.
Longley played alongside Dennis Rodman, and Perkins had Kevin Garnett, Oberto next to possibly the best PF of all time.
Chris Bosh is great, but he’s no Duncan or Garnett.
Gortat hasn’t done as much as Perkins, Longley or Wallace in this league. The guy has started 3 games. 3 of those 4 guys you mentioned played with 3 of the best PF’s of all time, and the 4th was defensive MVP and league leader in rebounds. Those are some very special cases there.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Bosh
Had better be close to KG and Timmy for the amount of money is looking to get paid…if he truly deserves a max contract, then he needs to earn it…
Neither Perkins, who started 53 games the season prior to anchoring a championship run (with a PER of 9.5) nor Oberto, who started 0 games prior to his run to the title (with an even less respectable 9.3 PER) had accomplished much in their NBA careers…and they are starting Centers on Championship teams…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
What?
My point was they were with a hall of fame caliber PF (I’m incuding Rodman in that group, because he probably would have been had he been a bit more sane).
Chris Bosh is great. He’s a max type player, all star, all that. That doesn’t mean he’s one of the 5 greatest players at their position which Garnett and Duncan are. Longley played with two hall of famers, an all star, one of the best defensive guards in the league in Harper and Kukoc.
To compare the situation Gortat would be coming into, to those situations is not appropriate or reasonable.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
What?
On this presumed team of Rose, Pietrus, Lebron, Bosh, and Gortat…the best player in the NBA, and top 10 player in the NBA, a top 5 point guard (and improving), you don’t think that situation is comparable to having one of KG, Timmy or any of the others you had mentioned? I think to compare Gortat coming into the proposed situation to those is both appropriate and reasonable…
Any good championship team needs fucking role players…Gortat would fill the role of big ugly body that can defend other big ugly bodies…he will be 26 years old and has a career PER of just over 15, while playing behind the best Center in the league…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ben Wallace
Was a premier player in his heydey, he was a 1 side superstar…even if he crapped out in Chicago, his Detroit days were something, and really he had a decent enough yr 1 here…..
I’d hope Gortat could come close to that.
THe other comparisons hold.
You could put in that Bynum played probably 25 mins a game on 1 knee this year against a great big man tandem of KG, Perkins, Sheed, Davis) and the Lakers still won. A healthy Bynyum is very good, but he wasn’t close to himself in tha tseries due to injury.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Unless one gets you James and the other doesn't.
James + Bosh >>>>> Noah.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I wouldn't do the deal
unless doing it meant we got Lebron.
DEJESUS!!!
NO
JR IMO is playing hardball with TOR and possibly knows the CAVs are making last ditch effort for Bosh to keep Lebron. If we fold to quickly we lose Noah if stand pat we may still get one / two of the big three. Or we get Wade and Lee with some MLE’s which IMO can compete with the CAVS.
Well
that’s the “dream” scenario everyone seems to be stuck on, but trading Noah is much better than not getting Bosh and James.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
OK?
What else is in CLE? Bulls with Bosh, Lee, Deng, Wade and Rose is better along with some cheap MLE’s. JR is shrewd you cannot doubt he really holds all the cards. IMO
They still won a crapload of games
It took a horrible playoff by Bron for them to lose. The Bulls may need to go above and beyond to get him and Bosh. I’d certainly prefer them not to have to give up Noah though.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
have some doubts that the old rumored gortat/deng trade is real
but even if it is, it’s really not necessary
i haven’t read all the “talk” of this am yet, but one thing i believe above all is: lebron and wade don’t want to sign with gutted teams.
you all are acting a bunch of ninnies! what is it that makes you believe everything you read, when everything you read is in conflict, with both other statements and with common sense?
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
is this possible?
deng, jj, taj etc for hedo, bosh
or
s&t warrick with NY and PHO and get barbosa and lee in the process
ABJCavsInsider
James now 2 hours late to his Nike camp. He’s either too busy learning Twitter or he’s on the phone with Bosh.
I lol’d imagining him with a team of hiring IT experts teaching him Twitter while millions of people speculate about where he’s going.
We're getting shut out aren't we?
I’m still holding out on my pre-free agency prediction that LBJ stays in CLE and Wade comes to CHI
InTrade all of a sudden All Cavs
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/index.jsp?clsID=3&grpID=9676
Hopefully there’s nothing to this
What is that?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Tht ball dont lie write up of duhon is mad funny
cuz..he’s chris duhon
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
IMO We shouldnt
trade Noah at all. The guy is a winner, he’s a champion. I understand Bosh is a better player and so is LBJ obviously but you cant trade Noah under no circumstances.
i reaaaaaally love NOAH's game and passion
but if trading noah means getting bosh and lebron….still hard but ill bite it
this is just me
im still hoping bulls will not do it :p
i dont want the bulls to be good
so I am right there with you
noah for bosh + LBJ/Wade
that’s it. thats the list
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
i mean only if there is a guarantee
believe me, you wont find a bigger supporter of Noah than me..but Bron + Bosh would satisfy my stannerissm
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Yeah
Let’s be realistic. Noah’s more Dennis Rodman than Bill Russell. Important, yes, MVP, not so much.
Yeah, Dennis Rodman never contributed to title teams.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Contributed, absolutely. But let's not make him out to be a superstar, or even a budding superstar.
But if Bosh wants a S&T and Tor wants Noah, are you really going to choose Noah over Bosh and Lebron?
Dennis Rodman was a superstar in his own way.
He didn’t score much, but what he did on the boards (both sides) and on D, made him one of the more valuable players in the league period.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
But
it’s Bosh AND Lebron
Bosh, Lebron and Gortat >>>>>>>>>>>Noah, Lee and Deng
DEJESUS!!!
That makes a huge assumption
that LBJ is just going to follow Bosh, if anything its the other way around and Noah, Lee, James > Gorat, Bosh, James
by MrPants on Jul 6, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
while he doesn’t have the talent of some, he has a pretty rare instinct and dedication to winning above all else. Were we to land a guy like LeBron, he could probably learn a lot from Joakim.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Hold on...
So you can’t trade a champion, with zero NBA championships, for significantly better players? Not sure I follow this logic.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Bosh realize that if he go to the Cavs in a S&T
he will have to live in Cleveland for 6 years???!!! … and he won’t even be the best player in the team…
I'm sure he does
… and that’s why I don’t think he’s ever been remotely interested in the idea.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
The thought of living in CLE makes me shudder
and I’m not even Bosh.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's just me, but with $120 million, I could make any city a great place to be
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it's not like they are going to live in Cleveland during the offseason.
And during the regular season they have 41+ games outside of Cleveland.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think LBJ wants that
But Bosh has power since LBJ won’t play in CLE without someone of Bosh’s caliber.
What happened to all the
Wade and Boozer talk…..
I mean if we can’t get Wade and Bosh (a pipe dream actually, but one that seemed oddly reasonable with allt he reports over hte weekend), why not Wade (MAX) and Boozer $13M/yr?
Rose-Wade-Deng-Boozer-Noah, and we’d still have the $2M exception right? plus about $2M left for getting Boozer slightly under a max deal.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Boozer is going to take LESS than a max deal??
20/10 gets a max deal.. and if yr Amare, so does 22/8
Boozer oddly
Doesn’t have the starter all star 2010, or all star 2010 on his resume….
And who knows, if he truly wants to play wtih Wade, which is something that’s been long discussed, he may take less than the max to do so, and upgrade to a big market where he’d be a big name (not just a NBA fan known commodity) and we wouldn’t be viewed as the also ran free agent he is today, despite being very good….
I don’t know, I think the lure of a Rose (kind of a Dwill with higher upside and even more athleticism), Noah (a true C that they don’t have in Utah) and Deng might appeal to Boozer as is, and getting Wade appeals him more so.
Or perhaps we do a S&T with Utah giving htem Gibson and JJ to max both out….
Boozer’s a borderline max guy and less sexy than Amar’e, even if I don’t know if there’s really too much difference between the two (Amar’e is more naturally gifted, but Boozer plays harder)….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Boozer options
More years, less per.
Fewer years, more per.
More years, more per, tail years partially guaranteed.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade hasn't decided it
I think the bulls would not wait for LBJ if Wade says yes. But Chicago is Wade’s plan B.
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
because wade wants to play beside bosh
more than boozer?
I don't know what that means
I’ve never used twitter and don’t plan to.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com:
New York: 45%
Cleveland: 25%
Chicago: 10%
Miami: 10%
New Jersey: 10%
The Knicks have the best supporting pieces to put in place alongside him, which I have argued in hundreds upon hundreds of words here.
When I saw the numbers i honestly thought it was a type, then I saw the “reasoning”. Then i realized ESPN has hired comedy writers, satire is funny.
best supporting pieces?
how do you write that and expect to be taken seriously by anyone ever again? would anyone trade Rose/Noah for the entire Knicks with Amare? cuz i’d laugh at that offer and hang up.
BREAKING NEWS
Regis Philbin has just announced that he thinks LeBron will stay in Cleveland despite requesting a second meeting with the Knicks.
Did anyone tell Regis that the Bulls have a Golden Domer?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
noah for bosh no way
i was reading at the top of this thread and saw people were saying get rid of noah for bosh if they have to lmao are you guys crazy noah is a rare player what he brings to the game his leadership just his whole attitude players like him are the ones that bring a team together to championship status. his stats are a bonus and theyre pretty good stats.
by loc dogg on Jul 6, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He is exactly what teams need to win
he’s the “missing piece” to most teams that come close but dont win
tor and cle in panic mode
all these rumors and speculation of bulls trading noah come from them, not chi.
calm yourselves. trust your common sense.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Fuck all this teaming up
Chicago’s the only place these free agents could go without bringing a sidekick
with the way things are shaping out this morning i dont see how we lose out
Bosh seems like the grand prize and the runner up between wade/lebron is going to be forced into signing with us. Unless lebron wade decide to team up in miami I don’t see a scenario in which we lose
quick question
If the Bulls are set on trying to lure Wade or Lebron, but they don’t want to wait on Bosh…why not go out and be proactive and get Boozer/Lee and put 2 deals on the table? One where Lebron/Wade comes, where Boozer/Lee might make a bit less but it would mean championships. The 2nd where we don’t get either and get the market rate.
Wade..
if Bosh does go to Cleveland with Bron, the only reason to stay in Miami would be the extra $30 million. Although it would suck to have no shot at LeBron, that has to increase our chances to land Wade and free agent B I would assum.
Berger . .
The Bulls, who’ve targeted all three of the top free agents, have not spoken with Toronto officials about a sign-and-trade for Bosh, a person with knowledge of their strategy said.
That's bollocks. KC just wrote about the Bulls discussions with the Raps.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 6, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd trust the org's mouthpiece on this one
The Bulls have had consistent dialogue with the Raptors regarding sign-and-trade possibilities to land Chris Bosh, according to league sources.
It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.
George Washington
Yeah right.
Why would they not be? There’s is no reason to not broach the idea with the Raptors…not one.
It just appears that the Raptors won’t take what we are giving. IF backed into a corner, maybe, but who knows. Is there anything the Bulls can do to sweeten the pot other than using Noah (which they won’t do)? Draft picks, etc.
I can't put into words how bad that trade is for the Raps
Anderson Varejao, Anthony Parker or Jamario Moon and Delonte West = expensive crap
Taj + JJ = very cheap potential and financial relief
Let's hope the Raps share your thinking!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
If that deal works
and a Deng to Toronto deal doesn’t, should we assume that Deng has almost no trade value at all?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
100% agreed.
If you lose your star player, why would you choose expsensive role models over value guys + picks? The only thing I can think of is that the Cavs would take back Hedo. But, I think we would too if we through Deng in. Something seems fishy.
screw this. Get on the phone with David Lee
and get him into a second meeting now. Sign him to the max (which for him is 13 mil). Add Morrow, bring in Asik, and resign Miller.
Let Rose turn into the LeBron/Kobe/Wade/Durant type he has the chance to be.
Resign Noah and Rose. Win a title or 4.
LeBitch and KG's constant showboating, chest pounding, dunking with one hand behind the ear, dancing, and pure and simple rubbing it in is so fucking annoying.
by hongydraw on Jul 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Based on the footage I saw of Lee leaving the UC after his first meeting,
I really don’t think we’d even need another to land him. I seemed to be in awe.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
*He
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...sort of
I don’t think that team ever wins a title, but at least it would be good.
If they don’t sign Lee and a SG now, I think they will be shut out….
by hitlesswonder on Jul 6, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Best case scenario for the Bulls:
Lebron: “come on chris, come to cleveland, it’s fun here”
Bosh: “umm no I won’t be doing that, you and me in Chicago, how’s that sound?”
Lebron: “fine.”
Worst case scenario:
Lebron: “come on chris, come to cleveland, it’s fun here”
Bosh: “ok i’m in, it’s been my life long dream to see the rock and roll hall of fame”
Wade: “ok guys that’s not cool, now I have to go to Chicago or i’ll never come close to winning anything ever again”
My point is I don’t see any realistic possibility of you guys striking out on the big 3. I think you get at least 1 if not two of them.
I like that you didn't mention the suicide scenario.
by bleigh82 on Jul 6, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's create rumors
Wade wants to play with Bosh
But Bosh wants to play with LBJ, not Wade
LBJ doesn’t want to play with Bosh
And so they are looking for a scenario where they can do that without hurting each other feelings
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Reliable sources from BaB report Wade wants to play with Bosh but Bosh wants to play with LBJ, not Wade. LBJ doesn’t want to play with Bosh. ESPN report in 5 minutes.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And now it seems LBJ doesn’t want to play the 4 and Bosh doesn’t want be 5, but 3, but Wade was thinking 3, while LBJ really wants to be a 1
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And because the 3 of them can’t figure what they want to do it goes all the way to the start of the season, they still can’t decide so they retire from basketball and take part in a wildly successful reality show that follows their lives as they try to figure out a solution to their petty problem….if the kardashians can do it then so can they.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Remember
2/3 of the kardashians are hot…sorry lamar.
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
A reliable source’s, reliable sources from BaB, report Wade wants to play with Bosh but Bosh wants to play with LBJ, not Wade. LBJ doesn’t want to play with Bosh. ESPN report in 5 minutes.
Fixed.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 6, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like a love triangle.
But then, why is LBJ “recruiting” Bosh to CLE?
None of this makes sense.
Chris Broussard was just on ESPN saying that Lebron’s tired of the routine and is just going to hang it up banking on his already earned $90M Nike Shoe ads and $62M he’s earned as a player plus other endorsements.
Wade says he wants to stay where it’s warm, so he’s going to the Clippers.
Somehow the Mavericks are going to trade Dampier for Bosh.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
In a twist of irony:
Global warming becomes so bad that people no longer need shoes, causing LeBron to lose all his earnings. Global warming also leads to Chicago winning an award three years in a row for having the nicest weather. Global warming also…Bosh sucks.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Now ESPN has
J.A. Adande on there squinting away (Seriously this guy has some weird eye thing that always bugs me)
And he said because we have absolutely no inside knowledge of what the big 3 are doing since we can’t read their minds, espn has decided to focus on promoting Tennis. Is Roger done?
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
stuart scott is waaaaaaaaay worse.
I wish i had the cap machine on my tv :(
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 6, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
true that but his glasses help
I meant blinking not squinting with Adande, used to bother me when I wathced that stupid around the horn show, but that was a small bit of Adande, now he’s everywhere anytime ESPN mentions bball….I actually liked Stephen A. Smith more, at least he was interestingly annoying.
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I like Wade and Lee in Chicago, easy.
Not dynastic unless Rose becomes all-world, but pretty effin’ good. Competing with Cleveland and Orlando, no doubt.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad of your confidence?
He’s got a ways , waaaays to go to get to being one of the 5 best players in the league.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
even doe i really dont like wade that would be a good team with wade and lee i would grow to love wade
If Bosh goes to Cleveland, then Orland/Cleveland/Chi are tops.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
4 of those 5 starters could make the all star team for the next 5 years straight, maybe longer depending on Wades health
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
All five could.
Rose, Wade and Lee already are. Noah is on the verge. Deng could finally get the props he deserves.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Deng doesn't deserve all-star team props
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
If we win 60 games
Deng can get the Rip Hamilton esque ALl Star vote….
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I think that team is the clear favorite
Let’s not forget the Heat almost won 50 games last year with a team of Wade + jack shit. How many wins does Rose/Deng/Lee/Noah add over Chalmers/QRich/Beasley/Jermaine? I’d say… a lot.
Yeah, it's easy for people to forget just how great Wade is when he's healthy. He's as good as LeBron on his best days.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 6, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Game 4 of the 1st round this year is all anyone needs to see.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I still remember that amazing
Double OT game against the post trade Bulls (us)….that game was phenomenal. Gordon has perhaps his best all around game of his career, and was just simply owned by an impossible to defend D. Wade, and Wade’s defense was all over the place, stopping Salmons, etc….
Oh the days when we were reasonably good…..
7/1/2010: D. Wade comes back home
I agree.
Give Wade another player, like Shaq, and he wins a championship.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
The biggest difference between Wade and LeBron is that Wade never stops attacking.
LeBrn goes long stretches just shooting jumpers sometimes, whereas Wade almost always continues to attack the basket, unless his jumper is absolutely scorching.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose and Wade constantly attacking the basket.
What more could you ask for?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Zeroes are overrated.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wade & Lee = Championship
If you ask me if the Bulls can add Wade and Lee or Boozer they can win the title, I mean don’t forget without Wade the Bulls were a decent playoff team, if you add Wade plus a PF without losing anyone other then Kirk then they get waayyy better. I think some people get lost in all this paring and grouping the all-star free agents together how much of a difference just adding Wade to the Bulls would make. Rose is already all-star, Deng/Noah very good defenders at their position, so if you add Wade the offense will improve greatly. Lee or Boozer can both play well the other Bulls and would make Taj a good guy coming off the bench.
Basically the Bulls would just need to find 1 guard who can shoot 3s and 1 big to backup Noah and if healthy that team is instant contender. Even if James/Bosh are together, they can’t win by themselves, the Bulls would have better TEAM
solid 9, starters only weekness would be three pt shooting but D and rebounding would be very strong
Rose/Backup guard who shoots 3?
Wade/Backup guard who shoots 3?
Deng/Johnson
Lee/Taj
Noah/ Backup(Asik or Miller?)
by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This is so straight forward as to be rediculous
No sign and trade hoops to jump through. We’ll have a decent bench. This is just too easy.
Say the Bulls give up Noah in a deal, with JJ and a draft pick for Bosh.
That’s not really the end of the world is it it? Worst case scenario (i.e. Wade doesn’t come) you try to sign Brendan Haywood, bring Brad back or bring Asik into the fold, and sign Mike Miller or JJ Redick.
Rose
Redick
Deng
Bosh-Taj
Haywood-Asik
Not a bad 7. Have to figure out the backcourt still, though. Hope some of those guys playing in the summer league can help.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 6, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
Zero chance Bosh comes here for Noah
unless it’s preceded by LeBron or Wade signing outright. Bosh has too many other better options than to sign with a non-contender and blow his chance at a title via S&T.
Fair enough. I think that Bulls roster is better than the crap he'd have in Miami, especially if Wade gets hurt again.
And it seems like Miami and Chicago are the cities he really wants to play in.
2010 Offseason Motto: Get Greedy, Bulls. 1 top FA down (Thibs), 1 (or 2) to go.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 6, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
noooo
noah is the glue that holds them together even bron needs a player like this
I thought the glue guy got traded.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jul 6, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
And it should be a competition when you consider its really Noah + Lee/Boozer vs Bosh
I have no reason to believe that Bosh cares more about winning than Noah
Noah’s a beast, all he does is hustle and wants to win. He put up what, 13 and 15 in the playoffs?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jul 6, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, he launched it while in Akron
no big deal. It’s not like Akron has another king waiting in the wings.
I'm not so sure he stays..
I know he’s an Akron native and it’s hometown and evrything, but I think he’s coming here. These Bosh rumors are a last ditch effort by Cleveland to try to keep him.
People keep saying that because it’s his hometown, he wants to be loyal and doesn’t want the fan backlash. But after watching that doc, that was made about his HS days, I don’t think that’s the case. Here’s a couple of things I took out of it:
- He’s Akron’s native son, but it isn’t like he’s always been loved there. He has his fair share of haters, or at least he did in those days. He’s not adverse to going in a completely different direction. The HS he went to wasn’t his neighborhood school.
-
— No matter what his boys are coming with him, but I think they could understand not having the special privilleges. Don’t think that is as big deal as some have made it out to be. His boys don’t really seem like the hanger on types, if anything Lebron hangs on to them.
reddick is at what price range?
but seeing that orlando is willing to pay any amount for their players, he will be hard to get
7 per?
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If Bosh goes to Cle in S&T
We should IMMEDIATELY sign Boozer, who for all accounts is just waiting for us. That way we have plugged in Boozer as our PF, that leaves Miami twisting in the wind. And who do u think DWade would rather play with DLee, Beasley, and Chalmers. Or DRose, Deng, Boozer, and Noah?
Wouldn’t surprise me if Lee chooses the Nets over the Heat, even with Wade the Nets are deeper right now than the Heat. Then Wade leaves, then the Heat have to overpay guys just to be able to put a team on the court.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
If I was Lee, I sure would.
Hell of a lot easier to play his position with Lopez than it is with Beasley and Chalmers. Not to mention he said he wants to play in a big market, Brooklyn fits that a lot better than Miami, where the people don’t care about basketball.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i like lee better than boozer
but i think boozer can get us wade
Boozer got pushed around by the Lakers
I think Lee would get pushed around as well. That’s why I’d like to Make the Deng trade to Orlando if we get Wade and Lee/Boozer to add some size and toughness to the front court, plus Pietrus.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
just like someone said above
if it looks like we’re gonna get shut out with LBJ and Bosh…I wouldn’t BANK on Wade leaving. I’d FORCE his hand. I’d get a commitment from Boozer FIRST, and then tell Wade that Boozer is coming to Chicago and make him know/feel that he has no other options. It’s a back door way to get him in chicago, but it could work.
i think that is the best plan
it seems pretty clear 2 of these 3 guys are going to play with one another. If you can’t get Bosh to commit, get Boozer. And than the loser of the Bosh derby, Wade or Lebron will than have to choose between going back to their team or a loaded Bulls roster.
The Bulls have to step up their strategy in some manner. Perhaps this is the way.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
What would the Bosh sign and trade be?
Jamison, Hickson and West?
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
Hickson, West and Varajao+ picks
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve heard talk that the Cavs are even willing to take Hedo. So something like Jamison/Varejao/West/Hickson for Bosh/Hedo.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Bosh and Howard have the best head to head rivalry in the league.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=boshch01&p2=howardw01
and Hedo can ride the bench and step in for Lebron and also play a little point.
Williams
Bron
Hedo
Bosh
Z
?
Fuck that, give me Lee and some three point shooters.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Via Woj
WojYahooNBA
Y! Sports Latest Buzz: Raps haven’t talked to Bosh in days, nowhere on sign-and-trade with Cavs, and more: http://tinyurl.com/2eesslh
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
gotta love woj
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Is Henry Thomas also Bosh?
Woj can say Raps not talking to Bosh and still talk to Henry Thomas.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Bulls only sign David Lee, do they even hold a press conference for that?
I’d personally rather just watch a replay of the Julius Peppers (& Chester Taylor) press conference..
look...
Even if Cleveland gets Bosh..that means Wade has no choice but to come to Chicago..he would be the odd man out..and he knows he’d be closer to his kids/family in Chicago as well as be able to team with Boozer/Lee, Rose, Deng, Noah..coming to Chicago would be a win-win situation for him at that point and staying in Miami would be lose-lose considering they have like no one on their roster.
He could convince Boozer or Lee to take a pay cut.
Resign O’Neal and Haslem, put Beasley at the 3 and wait a year until they can go over the cap. The bulls could strike out.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
chrisbosh
The days are passing by a lot quicker now. It’s always like that when you have to make a BIG decision.
Oh shut up
Just make a fuckin decision
Proud Detroit Lions season ticket holder since.......2009 !!
by BoscoHB on Jul 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey chris, you know what will make our days pass even quicker? YOU MAKING A DECISION.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Which you should have made ages ago.
It’s like none of them saw this coming.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s like they all woke up July 1 and were like “hmm,July 1….i feel like im forgetting something, is it someones birthday?”
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you shouldn't say it allowed.
Zing.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
hahaha I see what you did there...
That was very punny
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I imagine Bosh procrastinating like I do
“My to-do list says ‘Make big decision today’. Hmm. I’m gonna play some video games and then my head will be clear enough to take on this task.”
Being such a math nerd...
I have a hard time guessing which video games you play. Portal? Demon’s Souls? Got a big PS2 collection of JRPGs?
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah I'm not actually a big video game player
Just sounded funnier than “surf the net”. I like Command and Conquer a lot though.
Ha, it's not like the Toronto crowd gives a 'F' anymore
they are like just go already, you bitch
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He's obviously see right through us.
There are no Cleveland or Miami fans.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
*Fixed
chrisbosh
The days are passing by a lot quicker now. It’s always like that when you have to wait for Lebron and Wade to make my BIG decision for me.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Test
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
by Belize on Jul 6, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
dang, thought itatlic with italic would make it crazy
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
fwiw
I’m still not seeing it, but I haven’t navigated off this page yet.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Chris Bosh needs to stop trying to be butt-buddies with LeBron or Wade
Just come to Chicago. Rose and Noah can be your butt-buddies.
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
Here is my plan:
IF Lebron wants to play with Bosh, and IF Toronto won’t do a S/T without Noah, here’s what we do:
1. trade noah for Bosh
2. sign lebron
3. trade deng for pietrus and gortat
i think this works under the cap, and i think all these deals are realistic.
that gives us a starting lineup of rose/pietrus/lebron/bosh/gortat with taj and jj off the bench. i think that team is the easy favorites in the East.
I don’t want to lose Noah, but if you can make that deal I think you have to.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed. I'd rather have LeBron + Bosh + Rose as the new centerpiece
than Rose + Noah + (some FA not Bosh/LeBron)
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on Jul 6, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
sign lebron first
then dont trade noah for bosh hahaha
brons twitter
he just started it today and has almost 40k followers
40k followers
and 0 rings.
Get your drama-filled ass to Chicago
"Freeze it!... now roll it!" -Stacey King, greatest analyst ever.
by WalmartSecurity on Jul 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that doesnt bother me that he hasnt won who said to be a great player u have to win a ring in your first 7 seasons
Lebron is 25, MJ was 28 when he first won. Even the GOAT could only win when he had a good enough supporting cast.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
MJ also went to college
remember, LBJ got a 4 year headstart on him and still has nothing
That's a big asterisk that nulls the above point.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
MJ had a hall of famer on his team.
LeBron has a bunch of garbage.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I was talking about the age point.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and I was saying a different point.
That even though they are the same age, MJ still had a lot more advantages than LeBron did. LeBron with MJ’s team, easily wins a championship.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how they're the same age.
But yeah, the Bulls had a better team.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Typo, my fault.
Obviously they entered the league at different ages. Meant been in the league basically the same amount of time, not same age.
To judge LeBron for being in the league one more year and not getting a ring yet, even though his teams were much worse, seems ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The point was 7 seasons, MJ first won in his 7th, so Lebron is only one season behind him at this point.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
MJ also
had two full seasons with Pip, Grant, and Paxson.
A new Cavs roster is going to take time.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
oh thats it lol but really i dont judge his game or his ability to make a championship team on the count that he hasnt won a ring now if its 12 years into his career and no rings i can see people talking but after 7 seasons people get a grip .
Yeah I agree
i was kidding obviously lol. He never actually had that second star that’s usually necessary
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Jordan helped shape Pippen
LBJ is too busy being the man to make anyone else better.
WordUpThome: BUT THE "FUN FACTS" ON THE BACKS OF YOUR BASED BALL CARDS SAY THAT YOU ARE A RELEVANCE ENTHUSIAST
by thatballhitdeepwayback on Jul 6, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That's ridiculous.
Shaq and Jamison are in their 30’s, the only good young player they’ve had, Mo Williams has developed very nicely.
LeBron’s teams all end up with shitty draft picks, you don’t develop the number 26 or 30 draft pick into Scottie Pippen. His front office has been shit.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
This is when I wish there was a flag for "stoopid"
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's James fault Larry Hughes sucks!
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hope it is two girls and a cup
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Some things can't be unseen........
Don’t google it, you’ll be sorry….
This is the Chicago Bulls
We already sell out, it’d be tough to determine who is a fair weather fan, when it’s a team that’s won 6 championships and filled Chicago during its parades and victory parties in Grant Park.
It’s not like it’s the White Sox or Blackhawks, where it’s an empty house unless they have a good team.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bosh does not want to go to cle
this is good new either way…
he goes to cle…. wade will come here
bosh says I dont want to play in cle
then lebron leaves maybe to chicago with bosh
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 6, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
Bosh, you've always wanted to be "the centerpiece."
Well, you are. You are the centerpiece of this entire free agency clusterfuck. Make up your mind already. (And, uh, please make your mind to say “Bulls.”)
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
Everytime I read this it makes me feel that it's still likely we can get Wade
“You go through a whole season, even the last two seasons, and feel incomplete in a way, no matter what kind of success you have, because you don’t have the most important thing to you with you,” Wade told the Associated Press two weeks ago. “My boys. To be able to have this relationship with them as I have since this summer, it’s been probably the best feeling I’ve had since winning the championship. I don’t think people really understand that.” – Dwyane Wade
Story by Chad Ford 7/4
If his family really is that important to him..
P.S. I’m aware this is a few days old but it’s a good refresher
by juicewolta on Jul 6, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
For the record, this was also before Wade's meeting with the Heat.
Supposedly Pat Riley was hoping to drive his mind away from this point.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it just me or does pat riley
come off as a prick?
by luoldung on Jul 6, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it's impossible
for Pat Riley to not come off as a prick at any given moment
by SidM on Jul 6, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah but Dwyane and Pat have been in constant contact over the last several years..
I don’t know why Pat would address this issue for the first time only 2 days ago
I mean, if this is the first time the issue might seriously make Wade leave the Heat.
I think the custody issue is recent. It would be a good time for Riley to speak up.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The funny thing is
the only player in all of this who has given direct quotes that might allude to the fact they are leaning a certain way is Dwyane talking about his family. We have literally not heard a word from any other players directly which could really tilt the scale one way or the other; everything else is “sources”…
You haven't heard?
Bosh is hungry and might take a nap in a few minutes. The hidden message is obvious!
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah.. aside from Bosh talking about meals.
If meals are so important to him then Chi/NY must have the adv in the Bosh sweepstakes
it sounds like Lebron wants it both ways
he wants to play with Bosh but also stay in Cleveland. Hopefully Bosh has some cajones and the Raptors don’t take CLeveland’s junk and force Lebron’s hand.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 6, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
Why worry about being the franchise player when you can make the same amount of money
And have the role of Pau Gasol?
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
they don't make a big enough font
for my LOL at that
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
by Belize on Jul 6, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it a bad thing if Bosh goes to Cleveland?
Doesn’t that all but guarantee us Wade and Boozer/Lee. Of course I prefer LBJ/Bosh but I think a trade is better than letting Bosh go to Miami and Bulls just get Boozer/Lee.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
That's what a lot are thinking.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade and Boozer would make me pretty happy.
Well, frankly it’d be awesome, it’s certainly much more than many on the board were hoping for a few months ago.
Since the beginning I was never crazy about Johnson, Gay, Lee, Amare or Boozer
But if we got LBJ, Wade or Bosh I could have cared less who they brought with.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, sure, I wouldn't have been crazy about them either, per se.
But as has been mentioned a number of times, it is only (very) recently we set ourselves up for a relatively decent chance at snagging 2 out of the top FAs, or LeBron and one of those you mentioned.
It seemed that expectations began to surge out of proportion to our chances after that though. Not really surprising though.
Oh yeah, I totally agree.
After Game 5 of Cavs-Celts the Bulls all of a sudden became frontrunners for everybody. But I think many of us, myself included, forgot about the possible strike and that salaries are gonna go way down and that guys aren’t gonna leave all that money on the table.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The italics came off?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Why'd they come on in the first place?
For a sec, I thought my eyesight had finally failed (after too many consecutive hours on this blog)
there was some weird comment that I had to delete
not sure how that happened.
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Silver lining, you still have someone to throw all your despair at.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I hated on Deng (at least) as much as anyone last season but
his 3 showed some promise last year when he would take it. Ideally, this summer he is building leg strength during a healthy offseason and then putting up tons of 3s. If that’s the case, you put him next to Rose and Wade and he can slide down into the 3rd scorer role and turn into a very productive player from that slot.
This Bulls team could add only Wade and then role players and not necessarily have to add two MAX players in order to compete for the conference next year.
.265
.269
.143
.364
.400
.386
That’s Deng’s regular season 3 pt average for his career. He was terrible at first but it has gotten quite good the last 3 seasons, when people think of his outside shot I think they’re stuck in 2006.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
he doesnt take enough 3s for those averages to be true
if he had more volume I’d feel better about it
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
ben gordon's fault.....
If he just took his contract we wouldn’t have the money to argue over this shit
by sin on Jul 6, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
What did BG sign for...
58 million over 5 years? Yeah if they had signed him and let Luol walk they may be in better shape now and wouldn’t need to look for a shooter either. Something a lot of BG fans talked about at the time for keeping BG.
Are you kidding me here?
You’d rather have that contract over Luol’s? You have to be joking.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont know about you guys but it's going to be really, REALLY hard for me to stop hating
their drama filled asses if any of these 3 come to Chicago.
It almost makes me feel like LBJ In Cle, Wade in Miami, Bosh in NJ, Rose + Noah+Deng+Lee+a good 2 guard – ANY drama makes the Bulls is the ideal end game. We’d still be strong contenders in each season and we wouldn’t have to deal with stupid mock photography sessions or dancing on the bench.
BTW, can anyone imagine 3 of the 4 great champs in the past 15 years (MJ, TD & Kobe) engaging in this kind of nonsense?
Their drama filled asses?
LeBron hasn’t said a word. You should be upset with the reporting / news coverage, and all the guys on twitter for the drama, what can LeBron do?
If he’s undecided, him staying silent is really the only reasonable thing he can do. It’s obvious he wants to stay in Cleveland, but only if they improve the team. Since they haven’t done that, I don’t know what else he can do but stay silent until it becomes obvious they won’t improve, or they sign someone else in a S&T and then he can re-up with the Cavs.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll still hate their guts.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 6, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
wait, it almost sounds like you're using reason and a little imagination here.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
It'd be pretty easy to imagine
Since Kobe did the same thing in 2004 when he threaten to sign with the Clippers.
Except when Kobe does it’s because he has a killer instinct/loves the game/wants to win. When Lebron/Wade etc do it’s because they are attention whores.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, to me, it seems only Bosh is really being overdramatic about it all.
I can’t really say, and very few people can say, whether those 3 are overblowing this and stretching this drama way longer than it needs to. LeBron is probably more conflicted than we realise, whatwith half of Cleveland directly or indirectly trying to guilt-trip him into staying (and he also is HOME, sorta), and Wade apparently has family issues to deal with.
These choices could seem easy to us, as we aren’t dealing with said issues. Not a lot of decisions are no brainers though. Bosh, well, I’m not sure if he has issues like Wade and LBJ. Hence, he’s the only one I see really being a drama queen (his tweets aren’t helping)
Not only that, Kobe has done exactly that.
Did you already forget his flirtations with the Bulls? He actually came out and said it himself and fanned the rumors himself. At least LeBron has stayed quiet.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And at one point he was demanding a trade.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
If someone would have told me this time last year
that the Bulls will end up with a 20 and 10 player in the paint and an actual dependable 3pt threat at the SG spot I would of been ecstatic.
So if we end up with Boozer/Lee and Morrow/Reddick, is that really something to not be excited about?
i just dont want to get nothing.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Bulls worst scenario
Rose
Pargo
Deng
Taj
Noah
ouch!
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, that was ridiculous
in Miami worst scenario they put Lee? Wtf, Miami can’t miss Lee but we can?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
ok, as we've heard
At the very least, Bulls get Boozer and some sg
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Because they
can say that these are the 2 or 3 teams we’re willing to do a sign and trade to. If Bosh wants the money, he has to go to one of those teams or convince another to make a better package if they want him.
DEJESUS!!!
Because Bosh seems to be desperate for the extra 30 mill.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wouldn't call wanting $30 million "desperate"
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
it's not like he won't make any money on the 6th year
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like career-ending injuries have ever happened to big men in their late 20's.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Desperate in the sense that he won’t walk away if the Raptors insist on trading him to a team he doesn’t want to go to.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
They wouldn't if Bosh would come out and say definitely where he'd want to play.
Say, he really did want to come to Chicago, no doubt. He could tell them that’s where he wants to go. They’d have to do a sign and trade for whatever would work out cap-wise or risk him leaving with nothing in return. If they say no to such a S&T, Bosh could say, oh well, I’m leaving, and call their bluff.
But he wants both the max dollars and to be able to play in a market better than both Cleveland and Toronto, preferably with a player like DWade or Bron.
If he really wanted to, though, he could end this by saying he’s going to Chicago to play with a team with a good, playoff-tested core and more cap room to improve, either with Wade/LBJ or solid role players and shooters.
The more time these “Big Three” guys take, the more it hurts their cause in some ways, since so many good to decent role players are already taking deals and others aren’t going to walk away when there’s money to be made.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It's going to be funny when we get DWade
and eliminate LeBron/Cleveland from the playoffs every year and everyone on this board keeps hating on LeBron and talking about how there’s no way he would have ever been able to live up to MJ in the city (which he wouldn’t). DWade FTW
Selective memory is a trait
refined and perfected by sports fans.
by Saracenn on Jul 6, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
chances any of the big 3 sign on July 8th?
It seems like this thing has a good chance of dragging out past that date
Unfortunately.
I think Tiger Woods will finish under par in a tournament before any of them sign.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
This drag is quite a drag
I’ve waited so long for the damn season to end to get some news.
Then waited for the draft to get more news.
Then waited till July 1st to get some real news.
Now I’m waiting for fuckin’ basketball camps to finish?
by Option27 on Jul 6, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Ha.
Just wait until they all go on family vacations starting Thursday to “clear their heads and make the best decision possible.”
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
An interesting article by Woj on why the stars are more likely than usual to take the big long term contracts now. Also explains the logic behind the likes of Pierce and Dirk opting out and negotiating now rather than next summer.
Man! Look at this:
The Knicks aren’t worried about years four and five with Stoudemire’s uninsurable knees, because jobs and legacies are on the line in years one and two. The Knicks are out of it with LeBron James(notes), and sources say the Chicago Bulls are livid with World Wide Wes for selling them on a wired deal that doesn’t appear to be so wired.
Could this be the end of WWW in the NBA?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops
Q: Why would a shadow like Wes become an agent?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
If it doesn’t happen, if it all turns around and Lebron goes there then WWW becomes even more mysterious and powerful than ever before, so powerful that Stern starts answering to him.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Another note about Amare's deal
The Suns reportedly were not willing to guarantee the tail years on his contract. The Knicks were.
I wonder if we’ll see any reports of other offers Amare received.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
I don't see the big deal with Amare here.
He’s played in more games than Bosh and Boozer over the past few seasons.
http://www.dabullz.com | Dabullz on Twitter | Dabullz on Facebook
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
by Andrew7 on Jul 6, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The factors
Amare is productive. There is no doubt about it. The question is how many years and at what price would the market grant to him.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think 5 years is too bad with Amare.
He’ll be 33 when his contract expires. I think he should be productive for the entirety of his contract, with the first 3 years being beast Amare, and the last two in that kind of declined but still very productive.
http://www.dabullz.com | Dabullz on Twitter | Dabullz on Facebook
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
by Andrew7 on Jul 6, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
But the club that could give him the most money, Woj’s whole point, chose not to.
They still might if the Knicks want to absorb it all.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
actually
it’s even better than that. he’ll be 32 at contract’s end.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I think a lot of it has to do with
How much of Stoudemire’s game is dependent on his athleticism for him to be great.
Boozer can slow down some and still help your team. Obviously though, it wasn’t that a big deal because Amar’e was the first of the non-Bosh PF’s to sign. If the Knicks were that concerned about it, they’d have looked at Boozer first or just kept Lee.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Amare should be productive well into his thirties.
His jumpshot is pretty damn good. 45.2 efg%. That is pretty solid, considering that Amare is taking only 2 pointers, so that’s essentially 45.2% shooting on his jumpshot.
And this is part of what is missed on Amare. After dunks, this is his second most assisted shot. These aren’t shots that are specially created by Steve Nash. These shots are going to be available on any NBA team (and have always been available on the Bulls teams as of late). Big men don’t like to go out too far on defense, always giving these jumpshots. There is nothing that Steve Nash gave Amare that he wouldn’t get between Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah’s great interior passing.
http://www.dabullz.com | Dabullz on Twitter | Dabullz on Facebook
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
by Andrew7 on Jul 6, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said..
Obviously it wasn’t that big of a concern, as he’s the one who got signed ahead of Boozer and Lee.
But when you’re signing a guy a max deal, I think you look at every little factor, so it’s bound to be discussed.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
When Lebron ends up as the next Karl Malone.
It will become evident that he should have listened to World Wide Wes.
And yes, Lebron will whore himself out for a championship when he’s 40 years old, only to fall against the Detroit Pistons (who won’t be in Detroit anymore, as Detroit will be a desolate wasteland by this point)…..probably the St. Louis Clydedales…..ST. LOUIS BASKETBALL.,,,,Larry Hughes will be proud.
http://www.dabullz.com | Dabullz on Twitter | Dabullz on Facebook
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
Why St. Louis?
Louisville Kentucky seems more obvious to me…or that Seattle area could use a basketball franchise…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 6, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
With the league money shortage.
They’re going to be looking at eliminating the St. Louis revenue check, and the way to do that is by putting a team in St. Louis.
http://www.dabullz.com | Dabullz on Twitter | Dabullz on Facebook
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
This has been the best and worst
weekend of my life
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
by Belize on Jul 6, 2010 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
you gave me a heartattack with that title
something tells me even the mafia wouldn't call on greg walker if a hit was needed.
-MarketMaker
Per Woj
and sources say the Chicago Bulls are livid with World Wide Wes for selling them on a wired deal that doesn’t appear to be so wired.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions
damn it! i mean, i know what that means,
but what the hell does that mean?!
OK Woj
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
I would guess it close to wired...
Before Maverick Carter started whining
I kind of hate Maverick Carter.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
10 years?
I’d put the over/under at 3 years tops
I can't believe at least part of my biggest NBA hope will hinge on some dude named Maverick.
Is LeBron Goose, then?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that his real first name
Maverick?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
I really don't know.
But that’s what he calls himself.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously.
He should call Antoine Walker up, see what good friends they are once you’re broke again.
LeBron isn't going to have the money problems Walker does.
He has a lot more revenue sources, and from all accounts, doesn’t spend the same way Walker does. As obnoxious as he is off the court, he seems to be pretty intelligent.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the trading of Hinrich.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably both.
But that isn’t a good way to start a coaching job.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Pleading ignorant
Can someone please explain to me what that means about a “wired” deal?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 6, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, I was thinking the same thing.
The Bulls heard Wes tell them before the draft: “Trade Hinrich, get more space, get LeBron.” Bulls believed. Wes isn’t anybody. Bulls got played.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
WHO?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
110%
It’s hilarious if the org regrets making that Hinrich deal.
As if moving Hinrich wasn’t already required to building the championship caliber team that can be built in Chicago this offseason.
Remember guys, these are the same people that made Pargo our 3rd guard, Lindsey Hunter our 4th and resigned a hesitant Gray to more than minimum money (meaning we could’ve just say had Richard on the roster for like half that price and in the same role, doing the same non effective big body crap).
The people in charge just didn’t become competent overnight. Trading a few bad contracts, underperforming players and firing a terrible coach doesn’t make you smart. It just means you’re admitting to the terrible mistakes that you made and are confident enough to think you can do better this time around.
Regardless what happens
I don’t know why they’d regret getting rid of a guy who is overpaid.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry i dont believe any of this shit.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 6, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
my sources tell me WWW has nothing to do with lebron's decision
he will do whatever the hell he wants to do. I wouldn’t listen to WWW either. Sounds like another leech attached to lebron’s calf. Bosh, posed for the statue, LBJ showed up to the meeting in Mikes.
I have no reason to believe we are NOT getting at least LBJ and Bosh, and the wait is because we are finalizing a Deng trade so we can possibly bring in Wade too. We will then announce all 4 moves at the same time.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 6, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions
My sources
My sources tell me that LeBron likes his eggs over easy. Yep, I have sekrit sources too.
by RM on Jul 6, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Well.. at least that leach was trying to make sure LeBron was successful.
Symbiotic relationship. Pretty sure Maverick is far less concerned about killing off the host, and that is not good for the Bulls.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd listen to World Wide Wes
He’s selling Lebron championships and a legacy as possibly the greatest player in NBA history.
Maverick Carter was selling Lebron on the Clippers, and now is selling him on career purgatory.
http://www.dabullz.com | Dabullz on Twitter | Dabullz on Facebook
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
by Andrew7 on Jul 6, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
also, the guy was close to MJ
MJ = lebron’s idol
why wouldn’t lebron want to listen to WWW
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
why?
If Lebron want’s to come to the bulls, and does… WWW gets all the credit. If he does it w/o WWW Maverick Carter becomes the new WWW.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
meant for GiT.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 6, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
But from all accounts, Maverick doesn't want him to go to the Bulls.
If LeBron goes to the Bulls, it doesn’t make Maverick look like WWW, it makes Maverick look like he got bitch slapped and told to sit at the kids table, while Papa LeBron talks to the adults and makes a life changing decision.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It could mean the end of LRMR as we know it
You know, “LeBron, Rudy, Mushmouth, and Russell” marketing agency.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
how do you know what Maverick is thinking right now? Did someone’s “source” tell them this. I think EVERYTHING we’ve heard thus far, has been bull shit.
Do you guys forget Lebron quitting on the Cavs these past playoffs? Ripping that Cavs jersey off like he was done? Did he not wear mike’s to his meeting?
I think LeBron has given us enough clues as to where he was going in 2010. Now all of the sudden he is back in love with Cleveland? I don’t buy it.
I gangbang so hard, it would bring back curls.
by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 6, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
As much shit as we all talk about the Knicks, at least they got someone.
He may end up being their biggest bust since Antonio McDyess, sure. But they got someone.
I can’t even try to defend what I wrote here.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They had no one
We already have 2 “someones”. And neither will be a no-kneed cyclops in 3 years.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha! Yes!
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Im suprised nobody has used WWW as a screen name yet
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
Ha! KC!
Until this ends, our son Henry will be called Bron Bron and our son Charlie goes by DWade. Just need the wife to sign off on it.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
My sources report
KC and the wife haven’t spoken in a week.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Okay, I have to duck out of here for a bit.
Hopefully by the time I come back the rumor cycle will have the Bulls as favorites to get at least one of the Big Three again.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
TTwersky
On LeBron’s corporate facebook page, he favorited 8 other pages. Seven make complete sense. The eighth is Maria Sharapova…
I don’t think Sasha Vujacic (her boyfriend) would be happy if he finds out about that.
I'd say the 8th makes more sense than any other page.
Obviously this TTwersky has not seen a picture of Maria Sharapova.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
lebron and maria were a possible item way before people knew who/what sasha was
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on Jul 6, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh but it makes perfect sense.
It’s called a bag of ice cubes, a full bear rug, squeez-cheez, and a nine iron, Twersky.
Why is everyone so worried???
If Bosh goes to Cleveland, Wade comes to Chicago. If Bosh goes to Miami, LBJ comes to Chicago. If LBJ and Wade stay in their respective cities, Bosh is coming to Chicago. We’re fine.
Your last two are a bit suspect...
especially the last.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Plz, try and lay off the OT comments
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions
You enjoy us stressing out over rumors, don't you?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He is only sublimating his own anxiety
through passive aggression and sadism.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow
what great news to wake up to
Malone...stripped by Michael, to the floor, stolen by M.J.! Michael the steal! 16 seconds left, Bulls down 1. Michael against Russell, 12 seconds...11...10. Jordan, Jordan a drive, hangs...fires...SCORE! He scores! The Bulls lead 87-86 with five and two tenths left, and now they're one stop away...
Wade's camp is over?
dwadeofficial
1st day of Bball camp is a success. Big shout out to Pro-Camps for helping make it possible. Workout time
can we get an answer now?
I thought LeBron's ended Wednesday and Wade's Thursday?
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the stuff that makes ESPN so damn amazing
by Option27 on Jul 6, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I stopped reading at "According to Chris Broussard."
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't help but notice Deng and Bosh both being on the same team.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
How is there any scenario with Pargo as the Bulls’ starting SG?
“Accourding to Broussard,” the Bulls will spend their cap-space on LeBron/Bosh/Wade, or absolutely no one at all?
not quite
note the “worst” above the right column. As in worst case plausible scenario for next year’s starting 5.
I can read (and somewhat well, in fact)
I’m still failing to envision any scenario – worst or otherwise – that involves Pargo starting the season at SG.
Worst case scenario is likely Carlos Boozer and JJ Reddick — at worst, the Bulls will find someone to take their money.
We'd at least start a rookie before Pargo.
There is no way in hell Jannero Pargo is starting for an NBA team this year.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dave Kaplan on Twitter:
@thekapman: If the rumors I heard about the Bulls agreeing to trade Deng to Portland for Przybilla + Bayless are true they have a FA in the fold? Right?
"If I wasn't in our band I'd hate us, just to be cool." -Daniel Johns
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 6, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
@thekapman: I am going on Portland radio right now. I’ll update my blog with scoop shortly.
"If I wasn't in our band I'd hate us, just to be cool." -Daniel Johns
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
"Scoop," huh?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
i like the sound of that.
i like bayless too.
by rocky_mountain_bull on Jul 6, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not.
“If the rumors I heard…” isn’t a good start to a Tweet.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Link
"If I wasn't in our band I'd hate us, just to be cool." -Daniel Johns
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jul 6, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He also said about a trade that would land Chris Paul in Portland
How amazing would be Paul+B-Roy
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Great...
So he’s switched gears from his “insider” Cubs rumors, to the Bulls.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
So it looks like the players are waiting for Bosh's sign and trade
Wherever it might be.
If they're going to trade Deng to Portland...
why not ask for Fernandez instead of Bayless? He fills a need and Bayless is a tweener/SG. Pryzbilla is a very good backup center…I’d like that trade.
by streamsowhiskey on Jul 6, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally think LeBron is waiting for the WC to be over.
Dude has said he wants to be a global icon, so maybe he’s waiting for the global focus to be on him before he decides.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
I'll say it one more time I hate Chris Broussard He's a ohio boy that want's LBJ to stay in Cleveland
Everyday this guy’s got something different to say either he has good source’s or he is totally lieing just to keep himself in the game like he’s the man (Or better yet ESPN) who is boring as hell to watch since all this started same what if’s for a week now mostly how new york gets LBJ
There like everybody they dont know until it happens. These are all just rumors ,But it Does look like we might have something to worry about each day passes more FA’s are signing and the scenarios or becoming fewer and fewer,
"Cleveland suck's":Joakim Noah:2010
I think the ESPN analysts get a pass and a sign that says "kindly avoid in-depth interpretation"
SportsCenter is the most watched sports show in the country. It’s on for the better part of a day, and most of the time live. That means the analysts have to come up with something new to say every hour or so to avoid going stale.
The Twitter sources, however, only need to tweet when they hear something meaningful (i.e. no forced schedule). With that in mind, you should probably get angrier with someone tweeting idiotic scenarios over the ESPN analysts doing so on tv.
"wordy and overly verbose."
by larry on Jul 3, 2009 3:43 PM CDT
by Black Sox Baseball on Jul 6, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Not too bad for a team that would be spending like 28 million dollars on a team lol.
Yea, CB, if the Bulls decide to keep 28 million dollars in cap room that is their worst cased lineup probably!
What would NY look like if they kept 28 million dollars in cap space? Miami? NY? NJ? Cleveland without Lebron spending 58 million isn’t much better than those scenarios.
It’s like CB forgets that Lee, Boozer, Allen, Reddick and others are out there. Even a terrible scenario could have us get Lee and Reddick and still have some cap room to add a decent backup center and 3rd guard to the mix. That’s pretty much worst case in my mind.
No matter what our worst case scenario is, it can’t be worse than having to give Darko Milicic $20 million
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 6, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
Although he may be an OH boy, Broussard was the one who started all this LeBron to Chicago buzz immediately after the Cavs loss.
www.chicagobullsky.blogspot.com
This is true.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats part of my point dude its all B.S. Boussard's full of it
Everyone’s logical guess was the Bulls, the way the bulls cleared there cap space was the best because they kept there core.
Derrick and Joakim would (bareing any major injuries would make another big jump in talent )
Will it matter in the end,?
its true even with no salmon’s,Ty,we still went 41-41 the unit of rose noah miller kirk, taj and deng are a playoff team even with guys mixed in like flip and warrick so yes if we get a david lee JJ reddick and a couple others we would be better but not a championship team
"Cleveland suck's":Joakim Noah:2010
by joaroselabrosh on Jul 6, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Whew?
ZachZaidman
Report: Bosh won’t agree to Cavaliers sign-and-trade http://bit.ly/b7pa59 3 minutes ago via web
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Probably blew someone at the Berto Center the way he blows everyone at Halas Hall
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMFAO
That made my day yo!
"Cleveland suck's":Joakim Noah:2010
by joaroselabrosh on Jul 6, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he follows the Bears
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the ginger heaired genuis
saving the day!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith
He's just picking up Broussard's report and putting another spin on it.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you have a twitter account.
Otherwise no one will believe your sources.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't sound legit at all
PDcavsinsider
According to exec familiar with Raptors thinking, TOR undecided on what type of sign-&-trade to look for if they participate w/ Bosh
PDcavsinsider
Exec said TOR going back-and-forth on whether they want to try a total rebuild or attempt to get veterans that can help more immediately.
I'd hope for their sake they go for a rebuild
Because they aren’t competing right now.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If Colangelo takes on 3 pricey roles players and doesn't get rid of Hedo this summer...
he won’t have a job in a year.
Free agency in the NBA will make a man do crazy things.
Like agree with Colin Cowherd on the Amare signing.
He said that Amare does things on the court that don’t matter and he gets most of his points off P&R and he decides to leave Nash.
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
Bulls 2010-2011 Starting Lineup:
C- Noah
PF- Stacey King
SF- Kendal Gill
SG- Randy Brown
PG- Rose
Bench:
Wennington, Deng, Paxson and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Is Stacy King mic'd up?
Because if so, I can only imagine that’s going to be good times.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm...
YaoPau of BaB has been told by sources that Kendall Gill is making a come back to the NBA
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me, but what about Dickie Simpkins?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 3:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I would love Dickie Simpkins, I was at the game he dunked on Mourning to beat the Heat
the year after Jordan retired. But, Dickie wants to play with wade or james.
by BenchPargo on Jul 6, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Does that number get released tomorrow?
Or on Thursday?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Doubt it.
And I’m sure the teams/agents have worked the channels enough to know what the cap wil be by now.
http://www.dabullz.com | Dabullz on Twitter | Dabullz on Facebook
Chicago Bulls Blog and Forums. NBA Power Rankings.
I'd agree with this..
They have professionals who are basically there to just do math. I find it hard to believe they don’t have a good handle of what it is at this point.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Well $500k per year plus raises
so for a 5 year deal that could be $3 mil. Seems worth it to wait four extra days to know if you’re going to bank that.
yeah but
would that be enough for them to just give up on the team they want ?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe for Bosh...
that’s 1/6th of his yearly salary, and he’s never made much in endorsements. If you make 50k a year, having to forgo 8k over five years might make a difference to you. Who knows, but I could see it.
Are you kidding me?
Have you not been reading everything that has been bantered about in the 5000 posts on this blog…all of these guys want to receive the max contract and none of them are willing to accept anything less than the max…
Keeping Luol Deng on this team makes the Bulls much more attractive at this point and time, as he is an established 17-7 guy, a not so ideal fourth banana (ala Lamar Odom in LA)…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
What in the Wide World of sports is going on in here!
I leave BlogaBull for 6 months and all hell breaks loose!? Bulls fans we have to remember in any scenario we will be a better team next year. D-Rose is a stud and he and Noah are our future. Don’t panic people! Ronnie Brewer, Boozer or Lee and a few others is a solid team. We wouldn’t have seen that kind of talent in a long time.
So hope for the best and expect the worst as far as the big 3 are concerned. We all know that with out a showdow of doubt we have the best ready made roster available and Bosh, Wade, or Lebron want to play games or act like bitches and go to a different situation then fuck em!
We got to keep our heads up. We’re not going to be a terrible team next year! Mark my word on that shit!
Remember my friends and never forget……….
you leave for 6 months and come back when lebron, wade, and bosh might come here, and ask why all hell has broken loose
silly guy
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 6, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The King tweets
Hello World, the Real King James is in the Building “Finally”. My Brother @oneandonlycp3 gas’d me up to jump on board so I’m here. Haaaa
"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan
I wonder how many programmers went into creating...
his automated twitter system.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 6, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago or Miami.
I love the fact that Bron wants Bosh in Cleveland but Bosh doesn’t wanna be in Cleveland but he wants to play with Bron in ANOTHER city! Oh Bosh, you’re so stubborn; don’t ever change!
"You never got me down, Ray. Ya hear me? Never got me down."
-Jake Lamotta
by The Red Menace on Jul 6, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The fact that these players are friends really really hurts The Bulls
If this were Bird and Magic, they both would be rushing to joinThe Bulls first so they could win. James and Wade seem to be reluctant to join us and potentially screw the other one over. If none of the big 3 come to the Bulls then the biggest winner in this free agency is: Kobe Bryant. He gets to win another one next year.
THEY'RE NOT MEN
this blog sucks.
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN's future
After this summer, anytime i see Chris Broussard, Chris Sheridan, Stein, on ESPN I think I’m going to have to mute the TV…anyone else agree? How the hell can Pargo be the worst case scenario? The worst case scenario is clearly:
PG – Jay Williams…because Rose is sent back to school and has to retake his SAT
SG – Manny Harris…because I go to Michigan
SF – Luol Deng
PF- Taj Gibson
C- Eddy Curry because Noah decides Tennis is a better fit for him
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Blog a Bull
Related FanShots on Blog a Bull
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
