BlogABron 7/6 - Holding pattern
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 8:26 AM CDT
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PrintThat's the term KC uses for the Bulls right now, though he does mention that after these dominoes fall the Bulls will move on to trying to extend Noah's deal. And then there's this funny nugget:
The Bulls even placed broadcaster Chuck Swirsky at Bosh's Dallas-area home as soon as the recruiting period opened at 11:01 p.m. on June 30. Swirsky called Bosh's first five seasons in Toronto.
Management would love to hear Swirsky's call on Bosh — and either Wade or James — as a Bull.
Which:
1) has me imagining the Bulls getting a helicopter dangling a grappling hook attached to Swirsky's head, and dropping him in Bosh's backyard.
2) reminds me the Bulls have yet to remove Neil Funk from the TV broadcast. That should've been priority #1 this offseason, really.
Meanwhile in Miami, a Wade-Heat joint appearance has been canceled due to awkwardness. That's at least evidence that this is turning into an actual decision for Wade.
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Do Wade and Lebron hate each other?
Because all I see is them jousting to see who gets to play with Chris Bosh. And you know I love Chris Bosh, but shouldn’t these two guys just admit that they’re both better than him by a significant margin and decide they’d be best off playing with each other (and Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah)?
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It's simple to say that they should team up.
But I can’t really see that happening. There’s a common goal in winning a championship but both want to win it in their own terms.
they'll have to admit to being better than him
and still both take less money that he’d make
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
that's really complicated.. also...
Lebron’s homeboy situation is more complicated than him just not willing to take that growth step? (I’m feeling a John Elway situation)
Wade and Bosh eyeing 30 million on the table…
Well Bull’s appears to have done all that they can do, and stood strong professionally. What happens now , just happens… second and third tier free agents are next…
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Bosh may be one of the worse hold ups
I think Bosh wants the max with 6 years, in H-town we’re hoping to trade Scola for him(some other spare parts as well like Ariza).
Morey(the Rockets GM) sent a bunch of our red rowdies to visit the targets for sign and trade. Bosh was one of them.
I actually think the Rockets have way better pieces to offer than Heat or Bulls.
Anyways if Bosh is out of the Picture I can’t see Wade staying with that crap team in Miami.
Toronto wants Noah. Which won’t happen. The best the Bulls can give are Deng and Taj. The Heat have Beasley and Chalmers. I’d be tempted by this if Beasley wasn’t such a head case. Rockets definitely have the edge when it comes to a sign and trade. But if Toronto really wants to start from scratch they might as well take the risk and get Beasley.
I don't understand this.
If we have to trade Noah to get Bosh and Lebron, get it done.
I said the same of the hypothetical Rose/Paul situation. if you had to trade rose for CP3 to get Lebron, you do. Lebron is that good.
Trading Noah would break my heart.
I get that winning is the end-all-be-all, but Noah is the shit. I’d absolutely hate to see him go. If it comes down to winning one or two titles with Rose & Noah or winning three or four titles with Lebron(who’s awesome but I can’t stand) but without Noah, i’m tempted to say I would go with fewer titles but higher satisfaction with the championship(s).
by dakoose on Jul 6, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a loser's mentality
I love the Bulls. That is my basketball team. Do I like Noah, sure. But if you are giving away titles just to keep a favorite player, then you are a Noah fan first and a Bulls fan second.
This makes no sense to me. You play to win. Lebron gives us the best chance. You do whatever you have to in order to win championships.
We must destory the village in order to save it!
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by Sports2 on Jul 6, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think then you fall into the same problem Miami might have...
If you completely overhaul your roster, the fans have no existing affinity for any of the players. It’s harder to root for mercenaries.
Not if...
The mercenaries bring us a championship. Our affinity for guys like Deng and Kurt put us in this situation in the first place. Fans will have no trouble rooting for new players that put a winning product on the court.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
it's a LONG season
we will grow fond of the mercs if they’re wearing the right laundry
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do not include Noah
This offseason is about improvement. If you lose Noah for Bosh, you improve, but Bosh falls back into the situation where he will be guarding centers, a terrible situation.
Bulls need to offer both of their 2012 draft picks, right to swap in 2011 and 2013, Gibson and James Johnson. Throw in a 2014 draft pick if it’s the only sticking point. Make them all unprotected unless Toronto wants better picks down the line.
Dean Done. Now move on the Wade. His endorsement deals in Chicago should MORE than make up for his lost salary. Sign him outright.
Move Deng to L.A. Clippers for a second rounder because L.A. isn’t signing ANYONE. Use that money to sign Asik (if still an option) mike Miller or Korver, Give Morrow a good deal GS can’t match (5 million annually).
Sign Acie Law to a minimum contract, and hope a serviceable PF and SF backup will too. We can always use the Mid-level next year to do that.
Noah
Bosh
Mike Miller
Wade
Rose
Bench
Asik
Morrow
Law
This works because:
Gibson and James Johnson open up 2.9 more million, enabling us to give Bosh the 17.5 or whatever he needs. Once we trade Deng, we go from 15 million (with cap holds factored in) to a shade under 26 million (you have to swallow another cap hold from losing Deng) Wade can then sign for 16.5 and we shed a cap hold, leaving us with 10 million. If we sign Mike Miller for five million with raises annually, we have 5.5 million. We sign Morrow for 4 million annually with raises, then use the remaining two million to sign Asik. Asik’s deal might have to be a one-year commitment, but when he gets close to – or receives – a championship ring, he’ll stay for years to come.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
but even if we get one or two of the top FAs, we’re not guaranteed a championship. If we were to trade rose or noah to pull something off this offseason, and then get knocked out in the playoffs before the championship game, I could see a lot of Bulls fans getting “buyer’s remorse”
The only problem
with this scenario is that it reduces the Bulls frontline defense. They need it against the likes of Orlando, Boston, and more importantly the Lakers. Sure, they would have a great chance to win titles with Bron, but it’s the same issue the Cavs had trying to win.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
To me, there's something in watching hime grown players,
and there’s also something to watching players one enjoys watching. Now, if the choces are to either get Lebron and win titles or to watch a core of Kirk, Luol and Ben Gordon max out in the second round, then the former is the clear preference, but this is different. If we can become a powerhouse with keeping Noah, that’s my preference. To me, there’s a much biggere difference between winning zero titles/1 or 2 titles than there is between 1 or 2 titles/4 titles. I’d rather win with Wade or Bosh than win with Lebron. If we can get Lebron and keep Noah, I’d be ecstatic.
I don't know,
Noah for Bosh? It’s probable that Bosh is generally better than Noah for the most part, but there’s that intangible value that Noah has and adds to the Bulls that I don’t want to go away. His indomitable spirit, eccentric charisma and general leadership quality (plus his great relationship with Derrick and the rest of the team) I think make him worth much more than he seems. Plus, I’m just plainly a big fan of his in general.
Toronto seems very clear on it though. I just don’t want to give up a great team-guy like Noah for a greedy attention-seeker, despite the latter’s undeniable talent.
Yeah
I want my guys to be better at basketball, not better at being excited and jumping around cheering and high fiveing. I want my guys to be good at basketball.
And Noah isn't good?
If Bosh can only come if Noah goes, I’d take having Wade/LBJ + Boozer over Wade/LBJ + Bosh. I don’t think it makes me a Noah fan first and Bulls fan second. I just personally want to have my favourite team filled with guys I like. I love my Bulls, no question. I admit that I’d love ’em a little more if I like the players on it.
That’s maybe just me, but hey, that’s the way it is.
the jumping
and cheering and high fiving make it worth while. Noah is a guy that makes basketball fun to watch. And he’s good to boot.
The last thing we need is a locker room cancer.
None of these guys are lockerroom cancers
I’m not a big fan of LeBron’s personality, and probably can’t imagine someone who I dislike more than D Wade, but both seem well liked by teammates and I’ve seen no reason to believe they would cause any problems on or off the court.
It’s not like these guys are Milton Bradley.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
bosh
isn’t exactly mr. positive.
I’d like to have him, but not at the expense of Noah.
What?
I mean I want to keep Noah around, but that’s because I don’t see the point of adding Bosh if we lose Noah. The whole reason Bosh would want to come here is because he can play PF work while Noah does the dirty work for him. I think if anything Bosh has the best personality of the big 3. Strangest, obviously, but surely not a lockerroom cancer type.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
not sure where I stand on this...
….I don’t want to trade Noah, and think LBJ might be just as enticed by Noah as by Bosh. As far as:
there’s that intangible value that Noah has and adds to the Bulls that I don’t want to go away. His indomitable spirit, eccentric charisma and general leadership quality
I agree, and it’s that same “intangible quality” that Bosh 100% lacks.
there's also
the fact that noah is a big part of the bosh pitch. bosh would love to play the 4 more and needs a hustling, rebounding real center next to him to do that. if the bulls trade noah he’s looking at another team where’s he’s the biggest guy and has to play center.
this is similar to past situation with players like duncan, kg, even dirk in which they, all legitimately center tall didn’t want to play that position.
i’m not saying that bosh is duncan, but probably he feels better paired with somebody like noah rather than bargnani
Toronto taking Beasley goes against everything they believe in...
they are the other Utah Jazz. Character is important to them. Beasley is not wanted, by anyone. If he was, he’d be gone by now. They also apparently like international talent bc I believe they feel like Toronto is much more appealing to someone who isn’t already thinking in terms of the $USD.
I do think Scola would be a nice piece for them, but I also think the Bulls could make a damn good offer with anything from the Deng, Taj, JJ, Asik bag plus draft picks (ours or charlotte’s). I don’t know why they wouldn’t want deng…
S&T Noah perhaps for Gortat
I wouldn’t mind a S&T that brings us Gortat and Pietrus. He is a serviceble center and Pietrus is a good SG/SF but can also be used as a trade piece is we have to S&T for Wade or LBJ. Bosh doesn’t play center and we still get rebounding. I think he can be a 10 and 10 guy like Noah given the minutes.
by LeBenny da Bull on Jul 6, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I KINDA like the fanshots on the left
(ducks)
by Bullshitter on Jul 6, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You have to think
If these guys were slam dunks to stay in Clev. and Miami like all these “experts” say then why isn’t it done and announced. It doesn’t mean they aren’t staying there, just, why would you take the camera off the events you sponsor if you knew you were staying.
In other news, this guy loves double complete rainbows!
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DOQSNhk5ICTI&h=5fa04I5469QPSPoiGfys6SJcGWg
I hate to sound greedy but I don't want Wade..
I want LeBron. Plus I worked hard on this photoshop.. yeah it has it’s flaws. 
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
You shouldn't have posted this.
After seeing that, my “I want LeBron meter” just broke the scale. If he doesn’t go to Chicago I’m going to be sad for a while.
I'd rather have Wade...
I don’t know why, I mean he’s older and more injury prone… not as much of a beast. but god I really do not like Bron Bron…
I can't imagine
How someone could dislike LeBron James but like D Wade. I can completely understand disliking both.. but just LeBron? How is that possible?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, there were horses, and a man on fire, and I killed a guy with a trident.
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Stupid babies need the most attention!
At least Wade doesn't choke in the playoffs...
And he doesn’t complain as much. And he never confiscated a video of himself getting dunked on at a camp. And he doesn’t carry himself with the same amount of cocky bastard swagger. He doesn’t dance during games and pull that bowling/picture snapping shit James does before games. He tends to take basketball things more seriously. He’s definitely not as full of himself and he’s had to work hard at things like getting into college. And, well this sums up perfectly why I dislike James:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjXQCT47EAc
LeBron has had monster playoff series too.
Wade has won one ring and he was playing with Shaq in a finals that was crooked. Let me know when he wins a legitimate ring. It’s like no one remembers the year LeBron took a pathetic team to the finals, as if he hasn’t carried a team in the clutch before.
And Wade’s just as much if not more of an asshat off the court than LeBron James is.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Folks Have Short Memories..
Lebron sure did choke hard when he dropped like 25 straight point to put the dagger in the Pistons heart
Brian Windhorst on LBJ and the Bulls:
# # He really likes Rose & Noah. But there’s lack if shooters on roster. Also it doesn’t sound like he’s exactly being welcomed by Rose.
# Didn’t say Rose was anti-LeBron. But the word is preference was Joe Johnson. They have same agent. That is what multiple people tell me. about 10 hours ago via TweetDeck
# At this point, LeBron has tightly closed ranks, only seriously talking about decision with a couple people. Which is why so little info. about 11 hours ago via TweetDeck
# Also, can confirm several reports of a rift between Wes Wesley & James camp. Wes was indeed pushing Chicago, I’m told. about 11 hours ago via TweetDeck
"I'm going to enjoy an apple in bed." - Derrick Rose
Rebuttle Time.
- Yeah, there’s a lack of shooting on the roster, but there’s a lack of good players in CLE, MIA, NY or NJ. It’s far easier to find shooters than it is to find players like Rose, Deng and Noah. Stars trump shooters, no?
All the other points are speculation, no need for rebuttle.
by dakoose on Jul 6, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree one hundred and fifty percent
Last I checked, Noah and Rose and Deng better than Verejao, Mo Will and Jamario Moon.
It's easier to find guys just good at shooing than guys good at all of basketball.
So true
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus you can work at becoming a better shooter.
See MJ and Kobe
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by realisticoptimist on Jul 6, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The Lakers won
a title with out having any good consistent shooters
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 6, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
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by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
William Wesley getting kicked out of the inner circle is going to make Leborn Karl Malone instead of Shaquille O'neal.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 6, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting debate on ESPN1000
If the Bulls strike out BECAUSE Wade and LeBron stay home, do you blame the bulls and get angry?
I would say if Lebron and Wade stay put, you can’t blame the front office. Not there fault they couldn’t offer an extra year and 30 million. Right?
Frustrated
But if they don’t get the top guys, I appreciate that they put this team in position to sign Lebron or Wade or Bosh. At some point they weren’t signing.
by niuhuskie224 on Jul 6, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeh i dont think you can blame org
not at this stage, they pushed all in and put a great package in front of these guys, if they want the extra buck, they want the extra bucks, if a S&T cant be sorted what are you gonna do?
I know with the S&T stuff
People will wonder how it couldn’t happen, but you don’t get down to 30 mil below the cap without having some bad or lesser players on the roster.
Of course not
Because they still have plenty of options…they could use the extra cap space to complete a trade for a guy with a big contract who wants out or try for melo next summer…they had a plan and are clearly pushing hard
I would.
Ben Gordon S&T, FTW!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 6, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup
it’s not like it wasn’t this ‘hometown advantage’ to free agency wasn’t known.
I realize i’m saying i’d rather be the Rockets right now (assembled assets, good team, sortof in the running for a Bosh S/T), but it’s the truth.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You definitely blame the org.
The players all but announced that they’re open to a new team by engaging in free agency in the first place. The Bulls have spent 3 freaking years preparing for this moment. If they strike out, it’s all on them, and I think that Paxson officially needs to be fired, even if Reiny would never do it.
Whenever the Bulls are on the court, that’s when they have to perform. This is the front office’s court. They need to perform and if they don’t, there should be consequences.
I'll be mad that they let Stoudemire go to New York if this is the case.
When they could have locked him up early, and then signed one of these other guys.
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the hitch about stoudemire
is that his max is more than the other guys. woulda been real tough, i think.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Work out an agreement with Stoudemire where he takes less than the max.
But you work out a sign and trade with Phoenix, so he gets more money than your own max, but not max money over the six years in Phoenix, and less to start off.
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that works so well
when the knicks wanted to give him 100 million dollars.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
hah!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm beginning to think the original plan A : just sign Bosh is looking better and better...
Get Bosh to commit and then fillout the roster with the remaining $$. If we got Morrow for $5-6M a year, and then add guys like JJ Reddick we’ddefinitely improve as a team,and we may even be better than either Miami or Cleveland (assuming Bron and Wade stay put.)
by streamsowhiskey on Jul 6, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Suns working on a sign and trade for...
This could affect their signing of Warrick…and could get Amare more $$$. I wonder if they would take Eddy Curry and his expiring contract?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
LeBron without a headband.
Yeah who doesn’t want that dude on their team is retarded.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The easiest solution to me
is to trade Rose for Chris Paul, then sign LeBron James. Overnight, we have arguably the two most valuable players in the NBA over the next five years on the same team, and they’d fit great with each other.
by YaoPau on Jul 6, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Geez
What does Rondo have to do with anything?
by diedaily23 on Jul 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rondo and Paul had a bit of a fight during the season.
Basically Rondo was trash talking CP3 on how he’ll never get any rings.
And CP3 was angry that this punk who has the good fortune to play with a team whose entire starting lineup is better than any player CP3 has had his entire career has the nerve to think he’s the better PG.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
What of CP3 injury?
Any chance of this becoming a problem?
I still would not want to do this. This is where my logical mind fails me. I know it would be the right decision, but I love Rose as a player too much to see him go to a crappy franchise like New Orleans.
The is where
the gospel of Derrick Rose has too pervasive of an affect. I’d have pulled the trigger on this ten times over.
I agree
But I really love Derrick. Also, what if CP3 continues to have injury problems or falls off after the injury he sustained. Rose at minimum leaves you with flexibility due to low salary. Rose’s value will remain high for two more years while his contract remains low. I would not trade Rose for nearly anyone in the league until closer to his new contract at least.
And yes...
I realize I am being an idiot here, but I need some sort of justification to keep my favorite player.
You're not being stupid, I understand we can be partial.
And really, Paul for Rose straight away, I say no thanks. But if that’s the keys to Lebron’s kingdom…then, I think it’s go time.
love it
Bulls could not only give NO the best Paul replacement possible, but could they absorb a contract like Okafor too? Someone run numbers for me :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
Paul makes $8 mil more than Rose, and LeBron’s $17ish mil would eat up most of our cap, so no taking on Okafor. But moving Paul for Rose saves the Hornets owner $16 mil over the next two years, and he’s looking to slash payroll as his selling the team is being delayed. Doing that while still having a superstar name seems like a smart move for him.
don't think trading Chris Paul is ever smart
but Rose is a nice catch.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
But they already have all their minds made up. This is just for attention!!!
/idiot’d
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
eh, it's still very likely
not completely made up, but yeah
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Been trying to shake it off and stay positive
But just getting that uneasy feeling were about to get shafted for FAs.
man, i dunno but its all sound a little bleak out there for the Bulls
Bulls Org is very quiet and ‘professional’ during this period, perhaps they are just all talking shit cos they arent getting any info from Bulls.
Im of two minds, Bulls silence is a good thing and they are handling business, or they are just waiting around for an answer to thier pitch and will get out played while they wait.
Ric Bucher and Chris Broussard
They know about as much as we do, except they wear ties and talk on ESPN
The man. The dream. Derrick Rose
Media has to keep the stoylines fresh, right?
Wouldn’t do to actually stick to your guns, I mean, it’s the MEDIA.
[./sarcasm]
It's reached the point
that I want any of the Big 3 to go to Chicago just to see their reaction and have somebody call them out on it.
The Lebron media bailing is simple - no WWW.
This is true on two levels…1 – WWW was talking to everyone during the process and that really pissed off Maverick Carter. So all the news AWoj, Bucher, Broussard ( especially) were getting from June 20-July 1 went away.
2- WWW was pushing very hard for Lebron to go to Chicago so that he could be the one who orchestrated the Lebron deal which would set him up forever in NBA deals. Again, Maverick Carter got pissed at this because it took power away from him…. and it took away the power the Cavs give to Carter and his homies in Cleveland.
by Jscho316 on Jul 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it's a good thing?
I mean, the rampant pro-Chicagoness didn’t lead to an immediate signing, so maybe the now rampant anti-Chicagoness will lead to a signing? </baseless hope>
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but
Former Knicks point guard Chris Duhon has agreed to a four-year, $15 million contract with the Orlando Magic, according to ESPN’s Chad Ford
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions
No worries we have Acie Law
The man. The dream. Derrick Rose
by vasko on Jul 6, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
actually, I do like Law better
and I didn’t even watch that week-long surge he had when everyone was hurt. Just can’t stomach the idea of a Duh return.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same way.
Acie Law at I assume near the minimum is much better than Duhon at 4 million.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
at this rate Law's gonna get 3/$12
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
If you don't know if it's been posted
Why don’t you do a simple search for “Duhon” to see that it was? Ctrl-F works wonders.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Bulls may be part of Sign/Trade for Warrick
Maybe Bulls would be in this sign trade and get David Lee
Bulls get: David Lee
Phoenix gets: Warrick (gives Phoenix big trade exception)
NY gets: Stoudemire
by K_yle33 on Jul 6, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting...
If we end up with Wade and Lee I’ll consider this summer a huge success. Even though I’d rather have LeBron.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 6, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Broussard has shown one thing over this FA period
He has no journalistic integrity and absolutely zero credibility, he has flip flopped on his story so many times its a joke. Hes covered about every base possible from Bulls\Nets\Cavs\Knicks and back again.
He should just quit while hes behind, before he hurts himself.
by mrdope on Jul 6, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why do people expect reporters to be "consistent"?
Do you even know what journalistic integrity is? Journalistic integrity is accurately reporting what your sources tell you after performing an adequate amount of fact checking. Broussard hasn’t “flip flopped”; Broussard doesn’t have a horse in the race. He’s not a politician. Maybe you should consider that the “story” has been constantly changing for about a month now, and that he’s accurately reporting those changes?
Broussard:
Raptors have told Cavs they would do a sign-and-trade with them for Bosh. Cavs and LeBron working to convince Bosh to join them in Cleveland
Well I think at least for me, and most others
This has been the biggest worry for quite a few months.
On the plus side, it may force Wade to come here with Boozer or Lee if he wants to compete.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Or...
Boozer goes with Wade to Miami, and we get Lee.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
If we pick up lee and some shooters
that’s actually not too bad
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Well if it's just Wade and Boozer in Miami
They aren’t winning shit.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
With...
Chalmers, Beasley, Jermaine O’Neal, and Haslem, they’ll still be playoff team.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Are they going to re-sign half those players
Plus Wade and Boozer?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, are O'Neal and Haslem playing for the minimum?
I can’t see that happeing, especially not with Haslem.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 6, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A playoff team is not the goal.
Getting to the playoffs and losing in the first or second round is not winning.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the absence of total success (i.e. Bron and Bosh)...
the Org outta make decisions that improve the team (aggressively pursue Bosh, add som equality role players. Miami and Cleveland are not going to be better than the Bulls (as currently constituted) plus Bosh and say Anthony Morrow and/or JJ Reddick
by streamsowhiskey on Jul 6, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Its just mediocrity,
especially in basketball, you want to be horrible to get a shot at that #1 pick or a title contender and not in between.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 6, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what happens when you just sit around and wait and wait
You lose out on all the big names and then you lose out on your backup plans like Joe Johnson and Boozer.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
In all fairness...
Waiting had nothing to do with losing Joe Johnson, as he was after max 6-year money.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
No, Joe Johnson even held off on agreeing to the ATL deal
but we couldn’t get off hte pot
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure about that...
He was going after the biggest payday, and that was only coming in ATL.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but
apparently no other team pitched hard to him the way they did with bron, bosh and wade. probably fair, but i can’t blame him. the atlanta deal was the only sure thing on the table.
maybe he would have loved to join lebron in ny or chicago, but they all wanted bosh or somebody else before him, so he probably thought that atlanta was still better than going to the clippers or nets by himself.
WTF are you talking about?
The Bulls could only match that deal from ATL by doing a S&T. And the only thing worse than signing JJ to a 6 year max deal would giving up Taj and a first rounder to do it.
If the Bulls miss out on signing a decent PF you have a case, but this post is just bashing the org without any real reason to do so.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 6, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not bashing the org
because I still think LBJ or Wade can be had. What am I saying is that when you wait and wait, you put all your eggs in one basket. You can potentially sign two guys, a hedge may be in order.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
That's so awful
We missed out on spending 119 million dollars on Joe Johnson.
If it isn’t the big 3, don’t spend all the money so quickly. If there is one thing this whole FA period has shown me, that leaving your team space is gold in this league.
Had we not waited, we could have signed him
before ATL came out with the max offer. It’s called a pre-emptive strike.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering he was offered early
And we can’t sign anyone until Thursday.. I would suggest you have no clue what you are talking about.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree in principle
of course I realize you can’t sign anyone until Thursday.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
We can't agree in principal to that contract
Atlanta would have had to do a sign and trade. There’s no way he would have agreed in principal to less money before waiting to hear what Atlanta or the Knicks offered.
And I’m glad we didn’t, people are calling it the worst contract in history.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
The agreement would have occurred
before ATL made the full max offer. What is so hard about comprehending this timeline? JJ was the Bulls for the taking by all accounts. No one expected ATL to make an offer, nevertheless for the full max. The agreement could have occurred before ATL even decided to make the offer.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
JJ would never have agreed.
Do you comprehend that?
He’d have said.. “that sounds nice, let me see what ATL and the Knicks have to say.”
Then he’d call GarPax up and say “hey.. fuck off, I got a max contract”
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I will just take your word
and ignore all the talk about JJ being the Bulls for the taking, JR and Arn Tellem relationship, etc., because Grinder in Training thinks otherwise.
You just don’t understand, that’s okay, I’m won’t hold it against you.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Lol...
You don’t preemptively strike on a $100 mill contract for Joe Johnson, when Wade and Lebron are available. You just don’t.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you don't, you sure as hell better sign Wade and/or LeBron
game theory
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not game theory.
Giving yourself the worst contract in history is not an optimal outcome.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
an individuals success depends
on the choices of others.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Whether or not shooting yourself in the foot is a good decision
has nothing to do with what others do.
Everyone assumes
that had there been an agreement in principal, ATL would still have made that full max offer. Sure, it’s very possible, but I am going off the premise that the Bulls were JJ’s first choice and had an agreement in principal been reached, JR’s and Arn Tellem’s relationship would have preserved it. But I’ll just take your word for it, misconstrued timeline and failure to understand what game theory is notwithstanding.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I know what game theory is jackass.
Why would you think that every other free agent would talk to multiple teams, but Joe Johnson would just accept a lesser offer without even talking to his original team?
The one guy who has left a team before for more money over playing for a winner, is the guy you think isn’t going to look into what other teams are offering before signing a contract?
Offering Joe Johnson a contract would have meant nothing. This is the one guy who has proven by his previous actions he is all about the money. There is no way he would not have listened to what the Hawks had to offer.
Not only that, the idea is to get the best outcome in game theory based on what others do. Signing Joe Johnson to a max contract is not a positive outcome for the Bulls regardless what other teams do. Therefore if game theory did matter here, we still made the right decision. It was in our best interest to let someone else make the decision to sign him while we focused on players that had value.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Look at what happened with Amare
NY wanted to make sure it didn’t come up empty handed so it extended an offer and lo and behold now Phoenix is receptive to a sign-and-trade where NY is able to send contracts back now, perhaps more cap friendly than signing Amare outright (though we don’t yet know this to be the case). Sounds like a reasonable outcome to me.
And no, you don’t.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.. a max contract.
And he talked to the Bulls too. Do you not realize that Amar’e talked to other teams? Just as Joe Johnson would have, and signed with the team that gave him the max contract.
Your example proves my point. JJ would have talked to other teams too. Just like Amar’e. And just like Amar’e he’d have signed with the team that offered him the most money.
Joe Johnson at a max contract is not a good deal. It is a historically bad, franchise crippling deal. If that’s what you want, you are not good at game theory, or you’re a Knicks fan.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to stop talking to you
because you don’t understand and you’re borderline in Hulk Smash mode.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
suck at replying, apparently.
He seems to know what game theory is. I do too.
You’re basically saying the best move is always the first one you can possibly make. By your logic we should have signed Chris Duhon to a max deal at 12:01 on July 1 because that would have made us first.
You don't understand either
but at least you’re not being mean to me.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to be mean
But it’s clear you have no clue what you’re talking about. I’m just trying to help you out.
You’re naive to think Joe Johnson isn’t going to listen to every team. “Sign someone right away” sounds good and all, but that’s not it works in real life. It just isn’t.
The fact is we’d have had to pay Joe Johnson max contract money, and even then only if he agreed to a S&T instead of staying with Atlanta. Even if he did agree to come here, it’s an awful contract for the Bulls.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
You know what is an awful contract
for the Bulls?
No contract.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The free agents the Bulls want
Are all still available. So I don’t see that being an issue. If the big 3 don’t sign with us, all our back up plans are still out there.
Carlos Boozer, David Lee are both much better acquisitions than Joe Johnson.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Sloan is pushing for Utah
to resign Boozer. Sloan usually gets what he wants from management.
I’d rather have Taj than David Lee. I know, I’m probably the only one.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we get to that point
And we end up with none of the rest of the FAs (including many who I think are better players and will be better deals for the Bulls than JJ) then I will concede the point to you.
Until then . . . not so much.
go put your ben wallace bulls jersey on
and how you feel about “No Contract”
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 6, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
All of these free agents that are being
targeted are better and younger than Ben Wallace.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to respond to madcow
because I said I wasn’t going to respond to the guy who doesn’t know what game theory is.
Do I have to copy and paste the articles that said JJ wanted to sign with the Bulls so bad that he’d be willing to do it early, as in first few days? We all read this, we all posted about it, except for you, I guess.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Plenty of articles
Have said the LeBron wanted to sign the Bulls. That shit means nothing. Look at what they’ve done.
Joe Johnson signs for money. He has an agent, no agent in his right mind wouldn’t listen to every team that wanted to talk to them.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
There have been articles saying everything though
It feels like every possible outcome of free agency was written about as some sort of certainty at some point.
If those articles and rumors were true, and if JJ was willing to come to the bulls for the 5 year max . . . I still think that would not have been a good decision for the Bulls, because I think JJ at the max is an awful deal.
Remember when Kirk was dealt
and McGraw said Joe Johnson was a lock? We all posted about it many times.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, a lot of things have been posted as locks.
That doesn’t make it at all true. Wade and Bosh were eminent a couple days ago.
LeBron was for sure going to Chicago, and then New Jersey and then staying in Cleveland.
The Big 3 were ready to sign with Miami together to play for less money.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course I remember that
JJ being willing to come to the Bulls does not make signing JJ a good decision for the Bulls.
If it were for less than what he got from
ATL or if it were netted against sending Deng to ATL (which we see how quickly teams like PHO become open to S&Ts post-fact), then yes, it would have been a terrific signing, especially if Derrick preferred JJ.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Getting a slightly less crappy contract than ATL did
We aren’t striving to be better than the Hawks, we’re trying to build a championship contender. JJ doesn’t get you there, regardless of whether Derrick likes him.
What don't I understand?
That you think for some reason the guy who has already left a team for the most money, would not listen to every offer before agreeing to a deal?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
We're better off unloading Ben Gordon's contract from Detroit than signing Joe Johnson.
Really, we dodged a bullet with Joe Johnson. Not going strong after Miami when he was the one looking to sign first was the big mistake.
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Waiting?
We were waiting on these guys. Who did we lose that we would have wanted? Amar’e? I think we all agree he wasn’t coming here, and Joe Johnson was vastly overpaid, and almost everyone here didn’t want him.
The backup guys are still in play, Boozer and Lee haven’t signed anywhere. Waiting hasn’t hurt us at all here unless you really wanted Chris Duhon for four years or Drew Gooden.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
WTF DUDE
Somebody tell me that Broussard has no idea what’s going on and is completely making things up!!!
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Broussard has no idea what’s going on and is completely making things up
by mrdope on Jul 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh wait
Mrdope did…tell me he’s right…please?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
This still doesn't clear things up that much
Bosh doesn’t want to go to Cleveland, or at least thats what previous reports said
LeBron still hasn’t committed to Cavs, so why even bother S&T when your biggest player still doesn’t want to say he is playing in Cleveland
Gives us some hope, maybe, possibly, damn I hope it does
The man. The dream. Derrick Rose
but does Bosh want to play in Cleveland?
I suppose any market Lebron James plays in is a big market.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
So, Broussard knows LeBron is staying in Cleveland?
Why hasn’t he “reported” that? I mean, that’s what he’s implying in this tweet, isn’t it?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 9:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think it means he’s staying, I think it means he’s staying only if he can convince Bosh to come. If Bosh is on board it’s a game changer, if not the Cavs are no better than last season and Lebron would probably leave.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Who knows
This could be bs…furthermore, I would think this would make Wade want to come to Chicago more! He ain’t gonna win with himself, chalmers, beasley and Boozer/Lee! Here we could have Rose-Wade-Deng-Lee-Noah (Taj, JJ)…that’s much better than he’d have in miami.
The only brightside of Bosh being sign and traded to Cleveland.
Is that would mean we get Dwyane Wade. It’ll be interesting to see what would happen. I think a Lebron/Bosh Cavs team would be the heavy favorites to win the championship, but we would have a Dwyane Wade led Bulls team with a very solid supporting cast in Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, and Gibson. I think it really would be anyone’s game to win with the type of talent the Bulls would also stack.
But come on, there’s no way that the Raptors sign and trade Bosh to Cleveland. No way.
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I find it hard for a brightside when 2 of the 3 main targets are out
to me, Wade leaving is still a huge longshot.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
It kind of forces Wade to Chicago.
In Miami he will be able to bring in Boozer (who could just sign with us anyhow, leaving Wade out in the cold to return to Miami with just David Lee….), and then a guy like Ray Allen or JJ Redick. You would have to take a big leap of faith in Beasley developing into an efficient scoring star for that Heat team to go anywhere.
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it's not that big of a leap of faith to trust a GM/team
who’s already built a title team for you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
yea yea
Thank you, always think positive
by Vinny Del Negro on Jul 6, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the Bulls should sign Boozer or Lee now
And then go after Brewer and Korver or Reddick.
Bosh is not going to come to CHI. He’ll be in CLE or MIA. Wade is going to be in MIA. Lebron is not coming to Chicago.
If the Bulls go after a couple of second tier guys now, they can probably get them. If they wait, they’ll lose out to New Jersey and the Clippers…..
ok, what is with the extreme negativity
Bosh to cleveland wasn’t even a possibility before oh, a minute ago…and there is no way to know where lebron goes
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
way to use emotive
rather than emotional.
yeh actually until now
the general feeling was Bosh wants to play with LeBron but WILL NOT sign with Cleveland, plus they got bugger all to offer Tor
Then again...
It doesn’t really matter what toronto wants. They have to sign and trade to where bosh wants to go. Otherwise, he just leaves outright and they get nothing
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
What? It's been discussed as a possibility since at least mid-season
It’s been discussed on here repeatedly and by the main-stream media.
This is not a new idea.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
What? Since when?
Even if it has, it has always been distinctly behind the probable outcomes of Bosh to Chicago or Miami. I don’t see how that changes with news that Cleveland wants Bosh. Doesn’t everyone?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
The news doesn't change.
That’s my point. This has always been everyone’s biggest fear. That LeBron would decide his team with Bosh would be enough to win it all and stay at home.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
right, the Cavs still had some play left
we’ll see if they actually can get a decent package for Bosh, but I think it was always possible they’d try and make some kind of acquisition to further convince LeBron to stay.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not negativity
I’d like to see the Bulls improve their team and not have a repeat of the Ron Mercer years.
At some point the Bulls need to look at what is most likely to happen and not get strung along and end up with nothing. I’d be happy with Lee and a couple of OK guards.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 6, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Bulls' silence and professionalism.
I was actually wondering about this, and someone above me mentioned it as well. Is the FO’s general quiet a good thing? I read a few Nets and Knicks fans noting that while Bulls seem professional, they are being arrogant as well, maybe because they assume that they have the best core and that it would seem so OBVIOUS to the top FAs. (though I’d say the same of the Nets, especially Prokohorov, if that quote I saw posted earlier is to be believed).
I guess it’s better to be quiet and professional than seem desperate and headless like NY has, but…eh, shrugs.
They're arrogant cause they're being quiet?
If they were talking to the media every hour about how their roster is the best hands down I can understand it, but this is an extreme stretch.
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I said it on another post and got hammered for it
but Nick Fridell just said the same thing on the radio and so did Goff The Bulls may get shut out of the major FAs because they over valued and over paid Luol Deng and can’t dump his contract. They can’t move the guy. It doesn’t matter what Rudy Gay got because the rest of the league believes he’s the better player. The Bulls were lucky to find a team dumb enough to take on Hinrich’s.
If they could have traded him then they could go to teams and say for certain that they could add to max guys. Not saying that they were guaranteed anyone but it would have helped.
Or...the Bulls could trade Deng and 2 first round choices for nothing but cap relief
Get shut out of elite FAs, have no small forward, and have now way to improve through the draft.
Trading Deng wouldn’t have assured anything. Slightly overpaying Deng is a franchise-crippling decision.
by hitlesswonder on Jul 6, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Shoals best sums up this free agency period
Free Darko
“At this point free agency feels like the thoughts you have while drifting off to sleep.”
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Frank Isola
(New York Daily News) was just on ESPN 850 WKNR. Sounded resigned to fact LeBron is staying in Cleveland.
RT @SamAmicoNBA: I have confirmation from Toronto that Cavs talking to Raptors about sign-and-trade involving Bosh.
I guess that means
We get D-Wade?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
this
Wade and Lee….I would put Rose, Wade, Deng, Lee, Noah against any team in the East
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd still be pretty stoked about Wade/Lee
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Normally
Wade + Lee is a Plan A++, but lebron/bosh is a Plan A+++++++++++++++++++++++
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
The whole problem with this scenario is that
Bosh isn’t included. I would take Wade and Lee, of course. But I don’t see Wade going to Chicago without Bosh. Ordinarily this would be a good thing, but I have never heard Bosh say any good things about Chi-town.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
you think
Wade will return to a decimated Miami line-up? or perhaps New York to be on a team that at least might now suck?
OK I will say this
Amare’s signing with NY was good for Chicago. It keeps Amare away from Miami and reduces Riley’s targets to DLee, who NY wants to trade, and Boozer.
I will say this, if Boozer commits to Riley, we may be SOL with Wade while Bosh signs out West.
Then, we are left with… Holy shit. No one. Best option is a S & T for Al Jefferson and hope Ray Allen, Morrow, or Mike Miller wants to move to the midwest.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
now he just needs
to kill off dwight howard and then the east will be a wasteland fit for the king.
DWaDE
We still could get Dwade for hometown discount!!!
i think he did
come to think of it dont think it was from the horses mouth or anything, probably from Broussard heheheheh
Damn it.
Okay, assuming Bosh and Lebron go to Cleveland, what is our best option?
Here’s my idea:
PRAY that Wade realizes his best bet for glory is in CHI, not all alone in MIA
Sign the next best post-player available, in Carlos Boozer. As much as I don’t want him, he’s all we got.
Get a decent shooter. Pray for Ray Allen, okay with with Morrow. Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer and another big (Brendan Haywood?) to spell Noah and Booz
Lineup:
Rose
Wade
Deng
Boozer
Noah
Bench:
Brewer
Allen/Morrow
Korver
Gibson
Haywood
Johnson
Get 50-55 wins per year, compete with CLE & ORL in the ECF for the next few years.
Dunno if the salaries match up, but that’s my plan…
Can we afford all that?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Not unless we trade
Deng. Anyone opposed? I didn’t think so.
In addition, way too many SGs on that roster. Allen would never sign on to a team with Rose and Wade already commanding 75-80 minutes in the backcourt each night.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
why?
So long as we can still put together a squad to beat these fools, why depressed?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
as much as i'd love to, don't think so
haywood is getting paid big time, look what darko got. same with boozer probably, don’t think we can afford both wade and him. maybe, wade / lee / acie law / brad miller.
we get 50-55 wins without Wade or Boozer next year with Thibbs as
coach and a healthy roster where our 30 Mil is spent on 4-5 quality non max guys.
With Boozer and Wade we get the best record in the East regardless of LeBron/Bosh pairing if that happens.
That team wins the title in the first year.
I agree
That IF Bosh signs with Cleveland, Wade will SERIOUSLY consider signing with us if he is not already.
PDcavsinsider
As we said last week, Cavs simply have more S-&-T assets than CHI, MIA & can also take a bad TOR contract. All depends on Bosh willingness.
by Vinny Del Negro on Jul 6, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
Cavs have what?
Antawn Jamison? Anderson Varejao?
ENJOY, Toronto
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
well they're at least pretty deep at power forward
if they get bosh and trade away a combination of jamison / varejao / hickson and delonte’s crazy ass buy out negiotable contract they can probably make it work.
didn't Hickson just get arrested?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Varrejao, Hickson...
Anthony Parker, Delonte West…draft picks…and a willingness to take back a bad contract (Calderon anyone?)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I think you mean
THE NIGHT is always darkest JUST before the dawn.
yeah, i know my batman quotes
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Broussard story
Here’s the story from Broussard:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5357607
Key paragraphs:
Both James and Bosh are aware that such a trade is possible, and James has tried to recruit Bosh to the Cavaliers several times in the past few weeks, according to sources.
But right now, Bosh remains cold to the idea of playing in Cleveland.
Although Bosh wants to play with James, he wants to do it in Chicago, Miami or New Jersey. Sources say he has told the Raptors those are the teams he would like to go to in a sign-and-trade.
Bosh must think Noah’s right … Cleveland sucks.
Welp.. thank god for that.
I knew there had to be a reason I thought Bosh was a good guy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't blame a guy for wanting to stick with his hometeam.
Sports fan constantly bitch about guys leaving their teams and being disloyal and only caring about money. To suggest something is wrong with a guy for wanting to stick with his small market, home team it silly to me.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
IN a large way, I respect it.
But get over yourself and just sign so the rest of the free agents can move on. If you want to re-up with Cleveland, you’re locked into being in a weak position when it comes to winning championships. That won’t change because only you and Bernie Kosar like Cleveland.
Lebron is a good citizen of basketball right now, but he won’t be if he hijacks the NBA to land a PF on his team for NOTHING.
Fuck Cleveland. Their idiots, let them keep their immature King. I’ve never seen such a rich and immature 25-year-old.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He obviously wants to stay home, but also wants his team to improve.
Right now, his team still sucks. I can understand waiting to sign until his team has made a move.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
It's just not Bosh's first option.
He wants Wade something terrible. I don’t really get how he would hold on his future in Houston for Dwade. Bosh could content in Houston against L.A.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron leaves money on the table
to go to Chicago.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Only if he signs the 6-year deal.
Isn’t the scuttlebut that he’ll only sign a 3-year deal if he returns to Cleveland?
He's turned this into the biggest possible circus he possibly could have
By still taking so much time to do the simplest contract in sports: re-uping to a max contract with the home team.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Obviously he doesn't want to re-up
Unless they improve the team.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
He’ll re-up anyways. We don’t want to play ball with his posse of douchebags, so I think we just all but said “pass.” Not in so many words, but refusing to address the future of his friends is a #1 topic of discussion for them.
What I like is that he keeps his close friends close. It’s commendable, but they have to earn their fame in Chicago, at least to some degree, based off of their own merits. Even LeBron should favor that. If they can’t manage to break in in our city, LBJ can give them a job at a camp or his marketing agency. They just need to get the freaking picture that this should first and foremost be about winning for their buddy, and worry about their own futures second, because their not the ones sacrificing their bodies and private life to the game of basketball on a day-to-day basis.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
So Lebron has turned it into a circus by staying at home and doing this process as quietly and professionally as possible? While Wade was the one who goes on the tour, does TMZ and twitter. If Wade goes back to Miami will you think the same of him?
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Lebron has not been my favorite person - I do think of him generally as an attention whore
But for the FA process, I have to mostly agree with you – he called off the “tour,” he’s not living this out in the media, etc. I simply find it impossible to blame him for the 24-7 media frenzy.
It’s been less than a week, and this is a big decision – not to mention all the time spent just listening to presentations. You can’t fault him for taking the time to think it all over before committing.
Oh, a Cavs Fan!
Kudos for him for not going on a wild trip around the country to all possible suitors who have been drooling over him for years.
All along I actually wanted LeBron back in Cleveland, because in that up close and personal series with Chicago I finally realized what many were saying about him. He clearly is immature for an NBA superstar.
But another reason I wanted him to stay in Cleveland was the same reason Michael stayed in Chicago. Dedicating yourself to one city when you are an MVP player is noble and accomplishes what the soft salary cap is supposed to do: Let elite players stay with their own teams.
But yes, this is a circus because I am convinced that LeBron wants to stay in Cleveland because you guys hump his leg in a way no other team can dare. Bulls management isn’t giving Maverick who the fuck cares Carter a job. They are neither going to play ball with his lesser posse members. LeBron wants to be the only thing, and that is the only thing he wants as he parades around with his friends.
Wade? You cannot compare what Wade is doing with Lebron. Wade is being a little immature with the cameras and the dinner and twitters with Bosh, but Wade never went into MSG and teased fans that he would opt out of his contract in 2010. Yes, Wade is soaking up attention, too, but so are most free agents this summer.
If Wade re-ups, it will be the expected end to an anticpated conclusion. If Lebron re-signs, he will be ending an essential tease around the league. He has already manipulated the system, but by leveraging even more to get Cleveland’s bum management better players, he is making a complete mockery of the league.
He should re-sign and then go about recruiting in a respectable way.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
So basically if they do the same thing you’ll react differently. Wade has been the attention whore, not Lebron. And FYI I want Lebron to go to the Bulls because I think it’s his best chance of winning (unless the Cavs pull off a miracle trade for Bosh, which i don’t see happening).
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
That is just weird
Like wanting your wife to leave you for another man who might make her happier.
In Cleveland, those divorce metaphors make sense, especially when the Browns left the area.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Wade came to Chicago and held two interviews..
Are you kidding me here? People need to stop holding LeBron to higher standards, it’s ridiculous.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope, no it isn't
He stirred this pot. He deserves to be glorified or criticized accordingly.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeh
I never saw Bosh, the way he is, to find Cleveland of all places an attractive place to go to, especially with definitely bigger and arguably better cities like Chicago and Miami available as options.
Why would anyone want to live in Cleveland
Who can blame Bosh. And even from a pure basketball perspective, they’re locked in with a bunch of bad contracts of players are the downside of their careers. Hickson is the only guy with room to improve, and he’d certainly have to leave along with picks in any sign and trade for Bosh.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
If LeBron wants Bosh to sign with the Cavs, the best thing he can do
is sign with the Cavs himself. He’s trying to play both sides of the game, have his cake and eat it to, etc. with the cliches. But really — decide already.
What would Toronto want from Cleveland?
Hickson and draft picks? Would they want any of Cleveland’s other players?
I assume Turk has to go with.
So Cleveland going forward is:
Williams, Lebron, Turk, Bosh, Verejao / Shaq, and then a bench of ring chasing SG, Gibson, Moon, probably Z at the minimum.
Am I missing someone? I guess that team is beatable if we have Wade and Boozer.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:04 AM CDT reply actions
I guess now is the right time to remind everyone...
That we’re the only team that has Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah.
Screw em all. Let’s roll with what we’ve got.
That worked great this year.. yay 8 seed!
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hooray mediocrity!
Woot!
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
have some faith guys.....
we gona rock the party later this week!!!
by Vinny Del Negro on Jul 6, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I seriously think this guy is a homebody.. even if he leaves he won't be happy.
this could be a lost cause. He is still with all his High School buddies.
I'm starting to think Lebron wants to stay in Cleveland and is trying to get Bosh with him...
Lets say Bosh does go to Cleveland in sign/trade.
Its time for Bulls to move on:
1. Sign Wade
2. Join 3 team trade with Phoenix/NY in which Bulls get David Lee, trading Warrick to PHO, and Stoudemire to NY
We wouldn’t have to move anybody to do this… Maybe we would even have enough to sign a player like JJ Redick before sign/trade for david lee??
Good points, dude but I LOLd at your subject
I’m starting to think Lebron wants to stay in Cleveland and is trying to get Bosh with him…
That’s kinda the state of mind for the past 10 minutes here
just wait another 10
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If step 1 was that easy
It’d already be done
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Miami would practically get shut out if stoudemire goes to NY, bosh goes to cleveland
don’t u think he’d want to leave for chicago even more?
The next time I pitch something to potential clients
I’m going to go the Cleveland route and try to make them laugh with whimsical humor and funny anecdotes. Seems to have worked for them
If LeBron doesn't come to the Bulls, he never wins a title
LeBron stays in Cleveland:
Kobe >>>>>>>>>>> LeBron
LeBron comes to Chicago:
Fuck Kobe we got LeBron
The man. The dream. Derrick Rose
Seeing as how Maverick Carter seems to be running the LeBron Show...
…it doesn’t look good for any team trying to get LeBron off the fense. Carter and his minions won’t have the pull with other organizations (ok, maybe NYK) as they have in Cleveland. If LeBron fails to land significant upgrades,he stays an also ran for his career. And he’ll have his so-called entourage to thank. Good luck with that, Bron.
by streamsowhiskey on Jul 6, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
but Paul is so much better than rose right now, and probably for a while. While Rose is very good, CP3’s the best. Which is why there’s no way in hell NO is trading him
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
who is this guy?
twithersAP
Reports of a sign-and-trade agreement with Raptors and Cavs for Bosh very premature. Nothing on table. No players discussed.
I don't know, but I like him
The man. The dream. Derrick Rose
I've also never heard of him
And I also am now a fan of him.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
No players discussed...
Because Cleveland has nothing of value to offer.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Can anyone tell me
what TWolves fans behaved like when they sensed that Kevin Garnett was about to leave? Were they resigned to it, etc.?
Might not be comparable to LBJ, since Minnesota isn’t KG’s state exactly, but KG sure seemed to see a similarity between his and LeBron’s situation.
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RT @CavsNews: According to @Chris_Broussard, deal would be J.J., Andy, West, (perhaps) Parker & a draft pick. Only waiting Bosh’s approval.
by Vinny Del Negro on Jul 6, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions
You think?
Hickson is solid, but Toronto saves no money in that deal, Parker and West don’t really do much of anything for Toronto. The draft pick will be shit. And it doesn’t even have Turk going back to the Cavs?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
im looking at the players given up
Varejao covers all defensive deficiencies of Bargnani, and they have Ed Davis too. Hickson is just gravy
Yeah but Varejao costs 7 million+
That’s a big cost for a team that’s not going to win anything.
If I’m Toronto, I make them take Turk before I consider anything.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Other than winning the game within the game...
You know, catching the big fish. I don’t see much appeal for the Cavs here when speaking with Houston’s offer in the other hand.
Good point
Those pieces eliminate the supposed salary cap relief they would’ve had in trading Bosh.
Getting Turk would be a nightmare though. He won’t get any minutes behind Jamison and cb4!
But if you're Toronto
What appeal does the Cleveland deal have that a deal Houston might be brewing doesn’t?
None in my opinion.
I just assumed Bosh hasn’t said he’d go to Houston. Otherwise, I don’t really know what could be holding it up.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
$7m is not that big of a cost
for any big man who has most motor functions
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, it's not bad
All depends on how one projects the rise to stardom for JJ Hickson. I don’t. Is he more valuable than Taj though?
Varejao would be an ideal fit for their all-offense lineup though. Raps can cut West and that saves $4m immediately. Plus he’s a pretty decent player. Parker’s pretty much done, but only 1 season left under $3m, and he was a fan fave in Toronto. ::shrug::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, right.
I think J.J. Hickson looks like one of those guys that could start on the, “I actually give a shit team.” And that’s saying something, I don’t mean to discredit him. But that’s the sunshine Funk and King blow up Taj’s ass every game, what with all of his hardhat and lunchpailness. I just think Houston has to have something that may trump the value of salary cap relief, but maybe Bosh has decided he wants no part of Texas.
what was Houston offering?
From what I remember it was Ariza+Battier+Jeffries (expiring)? Jordan Hill? If they couldn’t get Yao/Brooks/Martin I’m not sure that’s much better. Not a huge Ariza fan and the rest are getting up there in age.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess it's a matter of talent evaluation, then.
Because Ariza, at his money is overpriced, but is one hell of an athlete. Battier is a quintessential glue guy; and of course they havae th eone expiring there. But I guess it hinges on how big of a piece they think J.J. Hickson is work with?
Gotta think they'd offer Scola, too
Not sure how much the Raps like him, though.
Heard on the radio today Scola was included
Not that the radio knows what the hell is going on either.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
West's contract only partially guaranteed...
Saves $$$ on that…gets two more big men to play with Bargnani and Amir…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Didn't Toronto let Parker leave last year, why would they suddenly want him back so much
The man. The dream. Derrick Rose
Except
If cleveland has lebron/bosh, that draft pick will be crap
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
and Mo Williams
overrated, but he can shoot
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
..
That team isn’t winning anything. They had an old version of Chris Bosh in Jamison. They’re giving up alot of pieces and who the fuck can they sign after this. If they do this it’s forcing Wade to sign with us. If we pick up David Lee we can beat that Cavs team.
Doesn't that effectively kill the Raptors franchise?
Really, Toronto is not going to sign and trade Lebron to Cleveland. The only way the Cavs could get Toronto to agree to a sign and trade is if they’re getting Lebron James back to Toronto. Cleveland’s roster is just that bad.
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Right...
Because Toronto has no history of trading it’s star players…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Only if we hear that Bosh would accept the trade
Even then, might not be worth it
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
No, Bulls aren't retarded
They know if they lost LeBron and Wade, they will start targeting other guys like Boozer and Lee
Knicks knew they were out of it and got Amare
The man. The dream. Derrick Rose
maybe this was Torontos plan all along
Tell you what though Gar and Pax better be able to be found at logical venues at this stage, the silence is killing me.
No
You hold and let those deals fall apart.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Will a lineup of
Mo Will
Unnamed SG… Barbosa?
Lebron
Jamison/Bosh (WTF happens here)
Generic C
Crappy bench
Is this team better than last year? The way they’re planning to gut this team to get Bosh, it actually looks worse…
and don't forget that Bosh has explicitly stated he won't play center
So who does for Cleveland? Big Z? Than Jamison off the bench?
Ugh!
Jamison can play SF...
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Wow..that's actually...true...i think?
Good point there
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 6, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Z probably comes back for the minimum.
He loves Cleveland. Shaq might come back too.. he’s about at that point where he’s just playing for rings.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
they can't be much better than last year
in the regular season. Getting someone like Bosh who can carry them for a period or two when James is off his game is a huge difference.
And you forgot boobie Gibson, though who hasn’t…
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay I understand.
That was more of a question than a decleration. But it’s something I might think about, I guess.
Me too
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's what I don't get
If Wade wants to stay in Miami and he and Bosh want to play together – and Bosh is willing to go to Miami – then why hasn’t this happened yet?
- Is it because Bosh is insisting on the 6y/max deal and Toronto doesn’t want what Miami is offering?
- Is it because during their dinners they’ve figured out that just them and a few vets at the minimum is not enough to win a championship?
- Are they both willing to do the Miami deal but just want to see if Lebron stays? Maybe they figure they can beat him if he stays in Cleveland but perhaps not if he joins the Bulls.
Wade and Bosh might be waiting for Lebron but Lebron might be waiting to see what they do. Perhaps he’d stay in Cleveland if those two went to Miami because they wouldn’t be much of a threat to him. If one of them joined the Bulls, though, then that’s a more formidable team and perhaps that might motivate him to join as well.
We could have a stalemate here, where everyone is waiting for someone else to do something and no one wants to make the first move.
by patagonia on Jul 6, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd think Miami having nothing to offer is part of it.
Bosh also probably wants to play with Noah or Lopez, and is hoping one of the big two pick NJ or Chicago. He has no reason to hurry his decision.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
You hit on a bigger point...
Why is Bosh such a follower? He said last year that he doesn’t want to be a second fiddle right? Then why not just come to Chicago. You get to be the man, play in a bigger market, and have a better chance of winning. Also he could make up the 30 mil in advertising. Why doesn’t he just screw Lebron and Wade and carve his own nitch here? Maybe these guys aren’t as savvy as we think.
JJ getting the Max
is one way to remind Bosh, Wade, and Lebron about the realities of their “marketplace”.
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"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That was a year ago.. maybe he didn't like losing?
Maybe he realized he can reach his maximum marketing potential of his career playing with a superstar, winning championships.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but if he goes to Miami
or Cleveland (a place he supposedly doesn’t want to play), he isn’t guaranteed to be in a better situation than if he came to the Bulls by himself.
It's not guaranteed
But in my mind, you pick the best player possible, and figure out the rest later.
LeBron, Jamison, Williams > Rose, Noah & Deng
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
what i don't get
is that usually players re-signing don’t drag it out this long, i mean, dirk, kobe, pierce, they all pretty much closed the deal early or let out that it was almost done.
if wade or lebron want to stay they should be the first ones to sign, then start this so called luring. this is just very childish.
Childish?
You want to end up in Miami with just Carlos Boozer and Chalmers and Beasley? Hell no. Or LeBron back in Cleveland without a guy like Bosh? For 6 years no less? Wade would lose the entire prime of his career, and LeBron would lose the majority of his.
If I’m in their position I’m not signing unless I know the team has a chance to win.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the key here is Lebron courting Bosh to CLE
All along it’s been understated that there’s a tug of war between Wade and Lebron to play with Bosh, because the realization is that the “Trinity” team really won’t work.
End of the day, i think Bosh’s decision is the key, as unwarranted as it is. LBJ and Wade realize they need a big with them. So if Bosh says no to CLE, it immediately becomes NJ vs CHI vs MIA
Preach
I trust KC since he worked the Bulls beat during the Kornell David years. As far as I know, Windhorst started covering the Cavs in 2003.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Trust
because KC has already proven he’ll cover a big time loser even when they were big time losers and big time free agency losers.
Windhorst covering the Cavs after Lebron. What do you think that will be like?
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Bosh to Cleveland isn't going to happen
This is why the Bulls are in the pole position in the free agency race – cause we have the most flexibility in every area. The Bulls can actually offer something to Toronto without decimating their team. Cleveland has nothing to offer. And if they do put something together (say Mo Williams and someone else), the team will have too many missing pieces. Have faith people, Jeez.
by wilsoneads on Jul 6, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Here's another thought...
What’s keeping Bosh from signing with Houston? Do they give up too many pieces in getting him? I’d think a core of Aaron Brooks, Bosh and Yao sound good.
I'm sure Toronto is all for Houston
Bosh probably hasn’t agreed to it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Chad Ford
Wade & Bosh want to play together too. THE Question: Do Wade & Bron want to play together? If yes, then Miami is the spot.
I don’t get this logic. Why is Miami “the spot?” Why not Chicago, with an actual set of awesome basketball players?
I agree
One would be hard-pressed to find solid reasons as to why Miami > Chicago.
Chicago is a bigger city and market, and Rose+Noah > Miami’s roster w/out Wade.
Sure Miami does have the sun and the beaches, but is from what I’ve read a very poor sports town compared to Chicago.
Hey fans
Thanks for showing up before the end of the 1st quarter.
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"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
And then there's the Nets..
I could easily get Devils Stanley Cup tickets when they were hosting them. As for Nets tickets, they tried giving away a number of tickets for games this season for free, and people didn’t even want to pay parking to see them. New Jersey has a horrible fanbase, and moving them into Knick fan/hipster territory will have hilarious repercussions.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
$, weather, and GM
Don’t discount the ability of these players to be superficial and talk themselves into Miami being a decent enough basketball situation.
A good point.
But I would retort with:
What would you want: more money, or a considerably better chance at a championship (or consecutive series of championships?).
Besides, I have wondered, isn’t being associated with (hell, being a STAR on) a championship-winning team a sure way to eventually get all the endoresements and deals and all that marketing madness which will probably compensate for not getting that extra money from signing a contract with your home-team?
Who plays center?
Riles?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
This is like a week long migraine
Someone choose a team already!
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He's stressing big time
I can’t really argue on him contemplating a very difficult decision.
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Look, of course the Cavs have had talks with the Raptors.
They’ll do whatever it takes to get LeBron to stay. I’m surprised it’s taken this long to materialize.
Now, the real story here, if there is any, is that it indicates LeBron has conditionally made up his mind to stay in Cleveland. Or at least that’s his preference, as long as the team improves, even nominally.
Really, it’s Bosh’s move at this point, which I suspect was the point behind this latest “leak.” It’s time for Bosh to call everybody’s bluff and pick a team. Obviously, I think he should say he wants Chicago, because at the very least that should draw Wade. It would force Toronto’s hand to either take Deng or let Bosh go, meaning they get nothing and are still stuck with Hedo.
C’mon Bosh. It’s Chicago. Big market championship legacy. Even if LeBron and Wade stay, you’ll be the no. 1 offensive option, and you’d look forward to years of playing with a tough center who’ll watch out for your ass and a preeminent point guard.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'd rather Bosh go to CLE than MIA
Bron is staying in CLE I think no matter what. If Bosh joins him that means Wade bolts MIA and comes to CHI with either Boozer or Lee and I think the Bulls would be the best team in the east.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions
Or Boozer or Lee...
Go to Miami because Wade won’t leave and probably wants 6-year max money too.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Fine
I dont think that team is much better than the Bulls are now. Do people not realize that the Bulls have a 1 and a 5 who will be top 5 at their position for the next 10 years? Long term the Bulls are set regardless.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
bit echoing what other people said
If they can’t do anything to surround those pieces with the right players, it’s gonna be a rough 10 years…
we'll be begging Rose to stay home :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
We'll have to make our pitch video with the cast of "Yes, Dear"
…and maybe produce a cartoon of version of the “cutting an apple in bed, falling asleep and forgetting the knife was there” incident.
They had no dunks
How so?
Wasn’t Kobe done in LA a couple years ago? Weren’t the Lakers in NBA hell, playoff team that couldn’t advance. Didn’t PP want out of Boston a couple years back?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
both teams had miraculous deals come their way
Gasol to Lakers, Garnett to Celtics.
Hopefully that kind of good fortune comes our way too
I’m just saying that if we can’t snag the right players to help build a championship team, then having a premiere PG and borderline allstar C keeps us at a 8th seed.
Without injures and a decent coach this is probably a 5 seed team this past year.
And maybe I missed it, but with the JJ, Gay, Gordon and Darko contracts, I think there are plenty of dumb GM’s left to be ripped off in the NBA.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Oops, didn't mean Gordon, meant Gooden.
Actually, Gordon would be included in that group as well
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
What disappoints me the most
is that TOR seems willing to take back some package of Varejao and/or Hickson + West and crap draft picks yet are insistent upon Noah being involved in a S&T. Just a bit of a disparity in value there.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions
I'd agree with that
but they seem insistent on Noah. Ideally something like this could be conjured up (I admit I don’t know if this is even feasible):
Deng to Portland
Bayless and Pryz (expiring deal?) to TOR
Bulls #1 pick from Charlotte to TOR along with anything needed to make the $s work (i.e. James Johnson, trade exception, etc.).
This may all be garbage, I’m typing this with no research done.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly
and Hickson > Taj in terms of a ‘prospect’ in the deal.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if TOR is trying to scare the Bulls
into dealing Noah in a S&T with this. They know CLE is a tough sell to Bosh and Varejao and Hickson, really? I guess that’s better than nothing.
I still believe Wade signs with the Bulls, however. Especially if Bosh goes to CLE.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
well, it's working
though not so much scaring the Bulls as it is scaring BaB
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
What? Use every bit of leverage you have in a negotiation?
How dare they try to get the best deal they can!
What would neutralize this threat and makes things really interesting
is if Wade commits to the Bulls today. Do it, Dwyane. LBJ has shown his hand.
by messwiththebull on Jul 6, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone (Bulls/Miami/whoever) needs to sit down with Bosh and his agent and tell them to not take this crap. Bosh needs to realize that at this point helping out Toronto in this manner is just aiding the enemy. He’ll get his 6-years, but it doesn’t have to come at the cost of Noah/the 17 players Cleveland would supposedly trade. There’s a reason why this kind of S/T haul is unprecedented.
Let's say it works..
Is there a center out there we can trade for?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't matter if Bosh
doesn’t want to come to Chicago. If he WANTED to come here they’d have no leverage.
I think Bosh does want to come to Chicago.
So far, just not enough to be willing to forego that 6th year that only Toronto can give him. Until then, Toronto does retain some leverage.
But not much.
Again, he says, “Either you get a draft pick (and parts) for me, or nothing. I can forgo that 6th year, but losing me for nothing makes you look bad.”
Of course he wouldn’t say it like that, but that is what the situation would be.
Lets face it
Lebron is waiting to decide because his decision rests on the the Clippers choice to hire Vinny Del Negro.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Vinny
i cant believe u guys still talk about it
by Vinny Del Negro on Jul 6, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions
@ those people complaining about why Lebron is taking too long to decide, this is why. He’s not the first domino, he’s waiting for Bosh to make a decision. If Bosh chooses Cleveland then Lebron re-signs, if Bosh chooses anybody but Cleveland, there is no way in hell Lebron returns to the same roster and watches every other team get better. If Cavs don’t get Bosh they don’t get Lebron.
It’s all upto Bosh. I think if he doesn’t choose the Cavs, Lebron chooses the Bulls.
That's perplexing though.
I’ve seen stated multiple times that LeBron was to be the first domino, and Bosh was to be the follower. Or something. Eh, the hell if I know.
I find it interesting and a little odd that LeBron is so reliant on Bosh’s decision. Is Bosh really such a crucial player and sidekick for LBJ, no other PF could serve this role?
Of the star PF’s available for S+T, the other 2 have serious issues that make a trade virtually impossible. The Knicks won’t ruin any chance they have of getting Lebron by doing a s+t for Lee with Cleveland.
The other one is Boozer, he used to play for the Cavs, he then talked them into not exercising the team option on him by giving them a verbal commitment he would immediately re-sign. He then ran off to the Jazz. So i don’t see him wanting to come back and I don’t see the Cavs wanting him back. So the only feasible option is Bosh, and it looks like the only thing remaining is him agreeing.
As for the first domino, i think most people made the logical assumption that Lebron as the best of the free agents would make the 1st decision, then everything would revolve around that. But that can’t happen if Lebron’s first choice is to re-sign, but only under the condition the Cavs make a major improvement to their roster. For that they need Bosh, and so it seems like the real free agency period begins when Bosh decides what he wants to do.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
He's probably not judging it the same way we are.
All we see is their numbers and what they do on the court. He has to play with these guys and actually hang out with them 8 months of the year. He also has much closer sources than we do and talks to other players about guys. I doubt he’s adding guys strictly on talent.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The first domino at this pint in the game is...
….the first domino. Unless JJ or Amar’ewere the first dominoes…
by streamsowhiskey on Jul 6, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He's just...
Saying anything now.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
they'd have to get a pretty substantial return
and picks would be worthless coming from a team with LeBron, Paul and Lopez
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
they do have one nice pick
2012 first round draft pick from Golden State
Golden State’s own 2012 1st round pick to New Jersey (top 7 protected in the 2012 Draft, top 7 protected in 2013, and top 6 protected in the 2014 Draft)
Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php#new_jersey#ixzz0sv0DUSQn
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
You gotta think GS is going to get unlucky one of those times
and land outside the top seven… Errr, better team get lower picks, so it’s a lose-lose-win or lose-lose-lose situation. They have to suck in order to get a good pick, or they have to give up their mediocre pick to be decent. And then there is always the chance that they turn out to be the fifth worst team in the league and get stuck with the eighth pick in the draft. Then NJ gets it.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Because with that roster they’d go into win now mode, Favors becomes tradeable. NO has a very very good young pg in Collison and they’d love Favors, they are all about cutting costs so they’d love a guy who has 4 years left on his rookie contract who could turn into a franchise player. Hornets would then be able to rebuild around those two.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Broussard and ESPN are loving this.
They anything they say will provoke a reaction from several fanbases, resulting in hits and ratings. Fuckers. Still, what else are they gonna do?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 10:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
wow
this shit needs to be done ASAP is getting outta contr
by Vinny Del Negro on Jul 6, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
totally not having fun with this anymore
Sign anywhere, just do that shit today.
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and when it's all done
I wager the vast majority of this past week’s “reporting” has been complete speculation. At what point do journalists completely lose all credibility and their jobs? Once they go into Stephen A. Smith territory?
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
None of these guys will lose their jobs....
Because people like us are reading their stories and selling commercial time :)
Credibility might drop
for a short period of time. But it’ll kick back up. Broussard might have lost some of his popularity with Chicago fans if NONE of his rumors about the bulls come to fruition.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
has anyone noticed
it was all peachy good news for us until AFTER LeBron met with JR, Pax, Gar, Thibs?
If he stays in Cle, I’m going to chalk it up as yet another example of our FO snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
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by anorexorcist on Jul 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nah that's BS
I think Bulls management has done everything possible to get one of those guys. If money and comforts are more important than winning to those guys, then there’s nothing the Bulls could do
haha
recced for shame
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
With Bron and Carter it was always Cleveland #1
With Wes it was Chicago #1. WWW was leaking all the Chicago reports and it appears that he’s lost the power struggle between he and Carter. For now at least.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought WWW was leaking a whole bunch of stuff?
Like Chicago and New Jersey and New York, which was why I figured people stopped taking Wes as seriously.
Probably, I'm just going with todays report that WWW was pushing Chicago
But my opinion on this shit changes about every 5 minutes and i know just as much as the next guy does, which is shit. But I’ll keep acting like I know what I’m talking about.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Wes and his influence may be waning
Why would he take an agent gig?
Sure seemed like he was more influential as some shadow.
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"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
So now you're preparing ahead of time to continue hating the FO?
Losing out on free agents doesn’t automatically mean the FO screwed up.
Thank You
The sky is falling mentality is ridiculous. You have Rose and Noah. Plenty of future drat picks, nice tradable assets like Deng, Taj and JJ. Players on other teams will get disgruntled and demand trades and like I said before, lots of dumb GM’s.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
But we have lost a lot in the name of 2010
Hinrich, #18 pick, Ben Gordon, Salmons, Tyrus Thomas
If we sign players better than the sum of those parts, I will be at least moderately pleased. However, if we end up worse off… crap!
Then there is always the chance I will be remarkably impressed if we land any combination of players where a Bosh, Wade, or James is included.
Honestly, I am most irritated with LeBron because I think his freedom might have been a sham to gain leverage over cleveand and FOR cleveland.
He simutaneously manipulated the league and his home team. If their willing to grovel, whatever, but it’s kind of sickening.
I met one of Hinrich's Professor's at Kansas, but he never met Hinrich.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
fuck it!
I’m ready for the David Lee era!
by SoulEater7 on Jul 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Plan B
Sign Carlos Boozer and David Lee. Go with a big lineup.
PG-Derrick Rose
SG-Luol Deng
Sf-David Lee
PF-Carlos Boozer
C- Joakim Noah
Lead the league in rebounding. Also hope that leading the league in rebounding has some impact on winning.
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by Andrew7 on Jul 6, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
lolololol
That would either completely fail, or completely succeed.I don’t see anything in between with a lineup like that…….
by I love football! on Jul 6, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not just Lee?
Then go find a SG.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
thats what im saying
I say we get a shooter and wait for carmello if this whole lebron thing doesnt pan out
how?
do we just sign some smoes to 1 year deals and forget this year..
we need to win now
this isnt a bunch of veterens who are on their last leg
we are a young core…. whats one more year of waiting, chances are we dont win the title next year regardless of who we sign
you're right
I am just sick of the effin rebuilding process.
Carmelo is too much of a risk.
The CBA could completely change, leaving us with not enough cap space to pursue Carmelo.
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yeah your right i forgot about that
but we would be saving alot of cap room by not signing a max free agent
Ronnie Brewer plus JJ Redick.
Plus Asik.
Rose – ?
Brewer – Redick
Deng – Johnson
Lee – Gibson
Noah – Asik.
There’s definitely worse. That’s a 55-win team in a year or two.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I like it.
A rec for you!
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Chad Ford's Take
From ESPN Chat right now:
12:05 Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: Here’s the thing with LeBron, Wade or Bosh rumors right now. Good sources are differing on virtually everything you hear. One trusted source will say one thing. Another source will contradict it. Sometimes same source will contradict in the same day. So it’s tough. Here’s what I think we know. LeBron and Bosh would like to play together. Wade and Bosh would like to play together. LeBron, ideally would prefer to head back to Cleveland if they can put a winner on the floor. Adding Bosh would be a big step in the right direction. Bosh, however, prefers to land in either Miami, Chicago or NJ. Wade looks like he’s down to either Miami or Chicago. What no one can agree on is this: Do Wade and LBJ want to play together? I’ve heard credible sources contradict each other on this. I don’t know. If all three want to play together … Miami is the only place where that can realistically happen without the players taking massive paycuts.
That’s why I don’t believe this Cleveland/Toronto s/t is legit. For both teams, it is in their interest to create the appearance of a plausible deal, because it will help Toronto extort Noah out of Chicago (which both Toronto and Cleveland would love to see in the event Chicago gets Bosh). It just makes sense that both teams would gleefully leak this news to the media (at a time when we seem starved for info, this rumor seems REALLY hot and is coming from multiple places), so it spreads like wildfire and Chicago clams up.
I'd think for Cleveland
It’s in their best interests to make it look like they’ve done everything in their power to keel LeBron James. So if this doesn’t go through, at least it looks like they tried, fan base gets pissed at LBJ and not the team.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
hey, that's OUR strategy
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
In other words...
“All of these are just rumors and we will print every single one of them for page hits and twitter followers.”
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jul 6, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Surprisingly well said by Ford. Sometimes I think he is full of BS, but he’s right on there. I think Chicago still has the upper hand because Bosh wants to play with Noah or Lopez and the Bulls have the better team overall. Perhaps the Bulls can lock up Bosh first and then deal with one of the other two if/when they want it to happen. True, LeBron is a far better signing than Bosh, but Bosh and role players alone is an amazing off season.
Ford is one of the more levelheaded guys at ESPN
after the draft, instead of going bonkers about free agency, he calmly talked about the draft as if nothing else was going on. he’s one of my favorites.
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by anorexorcist on Jul 6, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, I soooo want to be wrong about my prediction...
…that a couple of the big names will stay where they are and another couple will only move through sign-and-trade. There may only be 2 or 3 guys leave their current teams via outright signing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
there's no way the Bulls could've anticipated that!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that should be the new tagline for the website
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by anorexorcist on Jul 6, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Does that 2 or 3
include Duhon?
I so had him staying in NYC.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Rec
Score that as our first successful FA move.
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by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Man this shyt is so wack
esp if we get NOBODY
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
worst case scenario we'll get boozer or lee
which will be a disappointment considering a couple weeks ago we had all these idiots at espn telling us we were front runners for lebron
id way prefer Lee
matter of fact: nobody > boozer
Deng might be your cup of tea..me personally? I don't like pieces of sh*t in my tea.
why so confident about getting Boozer or Lee
as a worst case?
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Correct me if i'm wrong
Boozer’s the one waiting on us to sign him…. he wants to be a bull we just are not so sure we want him
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Hey chad im in chicago and im terrified that we may miss out on everyone…just tell me that the bulls would prefer lee and parts over boozer
Tuesday July 6, 2010 12:09 Andrew
12:11 Chad Ford, ESPN Insider: Tough to say. I think Chicago feels they have a shot with all three guys. The latest intel seems to suggest Miami … but this feels like it changes from hour to hour. I do believe my sources that say that Wade is torn. Living close to his kids in Chicago is a BIG deal for him. But so is leaving $30 million on the table by bolting Miami. I think if Wade’s kids lived in Miami, it would be a very easy decision for him to re-sign with the Heat as long as he could get some talent to join him. As for Lee or Boozer, I’d go with Lee too.
Lee is only a year younger than Boozer
and Boozer is better offensively and defensively.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
It's closer to two years than one.
And Boozer is more expensive = worse supporting cast. Boozer’s not a star to where you forsake the “role players” argument.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Nice opinion
Too bad you are wrong.
Lee had a better PER this year with a lower USG. Lee also has a higher TS%.
Boozer is the better defender. Both are excellent rebounders. However, Boozer has played in 510 games in 8 seasons (an average of about 64 games per season). Lee has played 368 games in 5 seasons (an average of 73.6). Lee has also played over 80 the past 3 seasons.
So, on a team with Noah at center, would you rather have a PF who is more injury prone and the better defender or a less injury prone PF who is the better offensive player?
by DRose01 on Jul 6, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lee + Thibs
Boozer has received top notch coaching. I would describe the defensive teaching Lee has received to this point as about zero.
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"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Statistically...
Lee is better than Boozer…but, why let stats get in the way of a good argument.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
why don't the kids live in Miami?
here’s a $30m rec room.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
In a city of a 3 million
I think he can avoid her if he wants to. It’s not like it’s a country town of 500 people where he’s going to see her every time he walks down the street.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
because of a new court order he has to share custody with his crazy ex, so he would have to fly her down every week and have her stay in that 30m rec room
ah, I thought he was trying to get full custody
but I’ve already delved too much into it: If Wade’s family being in shambles is the best way for my favorite basketball team to win, then so be it!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 6, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
True, but maybe his ex-wife is planning on making this more difficult.
Dealing with any more custody/support battles would be easier and less of a strain on him and his kids if they didn’t have to shuttle back and forth between Miami and Chicago.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 11:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely.
Just because he won this round, doesn’t mean she won’t take him back to court. Considering the high percentage of women who win these types of cases, things could easily change for him. (A side note, but this really is a big problem in society, the courts are very biased against men in these cases, I’m surprised he won full custody, she must actually be crazy or on drugs or something).
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
It's the $
That helped him get full custody, but u r very right about the percentage of women that usually get the upper hand in these kind of cases. If he wants it to be easier for everyone involved AND keep full custody, his best bet is to come to Chicago.
That way he can tell the judge:
1. My children can stay in their same schools, no relocation
2. The mother can still have full visitation rights, w/o having to pay for a flight
3. Built-in support system for the kids, as all his fam is in the area, so on road trips, the kids could stay with an aunt or his mother
exactly. and she practically lives in Indianna....
His Mom’s church is here, the rest of his family who he IS close to, and he generally likes Chicago much more anyways.
Good lord! Then don't report it!
If it’s a fluid situation and your “sources” keep giving you contradictory information don’t report it or hype it for days only to come out later trying to cover your ass.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 6, 2010 11:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I won't
they still should have the best argument for any FA, whether or not they make the case is up to them.
by NerdVernacular on Jul 6, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't
Right now, if the Pistons could release BG, they would. He was asking for way too much money.
by RM on Jul 6, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea I’m real sad that we lost out on his injury plagued year…
“Gordon suffers a down year: Pistons G Ben Gordon managed career lows in scoring (13.8 points), rebounding (1.9 rebounds) and shots per game (11.3) during the 2009-10 regular season. He appeared in just 62 games, missing 20 games due to injury. "
From Chris Paul's twitter
Oneandonlycp3:
**Couldn’t convince him to tell me which team he’s goin to but convinced him to join twitter lol…my brother from another mother @KINGJAMES
@kingjames has like 15,000 followers and he hasn’t even said anything yet….Maybe the announcement will be by twitter.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Thought he might do that txt message announcement
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
On a side note, if even Chris Paul can’t get some inside info then I don’t think any of us will until the announcement is made. Paul is his best friend in the league, they do charity things together, if he doesn’t know then all those “experts” who keep saying he’ll go to X or Y have no idea either.
by CavsLebronFan on Jul 6, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, crap.
So basically, it all comes down to Bosh then? The Cavs would have made this sign and trade ages ago if it meant they would have landed LeBron. Interesting that we are only hearing about this now though.
The timing
Nothing is official until July 8th. The S&T packages can’t really come together with a cap figure.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 6, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I said the Cavs could potentially come up with the S/T pieces to land Bosh
several months ago and everyone called me crazy. Not saying that Bosh will accept the trade to Cleveland but indications are that they have came up with the players.
If LBJ/Bosh are in Cleveland does that force DWade out of Miami and if so does that push him to NYK?
IF DWade leaves, it's Chicago.
I think his kids are coming into play big time. Plus, even if you only land Wade to the Bulls…that’s still a pretty good team. Coupled with another lesser signing, that’s a contender.
IF money is the same NYC or Chicago, not sure why he goes to NYC.
All I know is
I hope JR is secretly paying for his ex-wife’s lawyers so she has a chance to win in court.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Only the uninformed called you crazy
Many mainstream media types, and posters on this board mentioned it months ago also. It’s always been the worst case scenario in my mind and the one way that LeBron stays.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 6, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
RealSkipBayless
Suddenly looking like DWade could be left in Miami w/ … next to nothing. Might that influence him to flee to DRose and Noah in hometown?
Thanks for pointing out the obvious. But “might”, MIGHT, if Lebron+Bosh go to the Cavs there is no way that extra 30 million is so important to him that he wants to play with Boozer and a bunch of minimum guys.
The Cavs with Bosh
How many games does this team win next year:
PG Williams, Telfair
SG Gibson
SF Moon, Danny Green
PF Jamison, Powe
C Bosh
I think the consensus here was last year’s Cavs team without LeBron would be around a 40 win team. A seemingly more talented Raptors team last year won 40 games….
Let's see Raptors had...
PG – Calderon, Jack
SG – Belinelli, Weems, DeRozan
SF – Hedo, Wright
PF – Bargnani,, Evans
C – Bosh, Amir Johnson
may have missed some and screwed up positions, but this is the basic idea.
Raptors team seems just as good at PG, pretty close at SG, better at SF, same at PF, and Bosh is the same. Hmm, would the above team be any better than the Cavs last year? I think they would have to shed too many solid players to get Bosh. Compare with current Bulls roster + Matthews and/or Brewer
PG – Rose
SG – Matthews/Brewer
SF – Deng
PF – Gibson
C – Noah
Bulls are superior at PG, SG, SF. Jamison was terribly ineffecient last year. I’d say Noah>Jamison (maybe a stretch, but it’s at least close) and Taj <<< Bosh, but this is essentially the Bulls team from last year who won 41 games with Noah out for plenty of games and Rose injured to start the season and running into D. Howard several times. Bulls current roster might be more talented than a depleted Cavs roster with no room to get help for Bosh/LeBron.
SG -
I like the caption
me and jerry agreed on something…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
A list of all the free agents available...
Don’t know if this has been posted yet:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=AuVPQsEAdUq7SEhheWn.qE5nYcB?slug=ys-nbafreeagenttracker2010
getting rid of noah is the dumbest thing i heard
i was reading at the top of this thread and saw people were saying get rid of noah for bosh if they have to lmao are you guys crazy noah is a rare player what he brings to the game his leadership just his whole attitude players like him are the ones that bring a team together to championship status. his stats are a bonus and theyre pretty good stats.
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