Possible Trade Idea for Rudy

but if you are discussing one players upside vs another , then you are basically talking about the player they will become later, and if your comparing that person to Reggie Miller, this was the player he became, regardless of early career stats, will Rudy ever be that good? I personally don’t think so, its just another example of how stats don’t explain everything.
Id say its more likely;

Taj ceiling = Horace Grant
Rudy ceiling = Toni Kukoc

comparing someone’s rookie season to someone else’s 2nd is BS. even if it works against a given argument you try to make. One has had more development, one hasn’t.

So shouldn’t that skew the stats in Miller’s favor? Miller in his 2nd season in the league was about the same as Rudy in his first year.

As for your point about Rudy developing more in the Euroleague, are you really just going to ignore Reggie Miller’s 4 years at UCLA? Are you saying that 4 years in the Euroleague will lead to faster development than 4 years at an elite D1 NCAA program? That may be true, but I don’t think you have nearly enough evidence to make that claim. In any case, you make it sound like Miller started playing basketball at age 23 while Rudy was a grizzled vet.

and that it is possible that he could become a player comparable to Reggie….. but do I personally think, in reality, that he will…..No.

This is all I’m saying

Do I want him on the Bulls this year, hell yeh, That would be great, but I wouldn’t be holding my breath for him to turn into Reggie Miller anytime soon. Where as I’d be ecstatic if he came in and played a Toni Kukoc style role for us, ( at the level Toni played ) I think that would be a more realistic. expectation.

my counter is that after Reggie Miller’s rookie year, he hadn’t shown that he was going to be the leader, clutch player and scorer that he eventually became. Michael Jordan was viewed as a selfish ballhog who couldn’t win… until he actually won.

Well, that’s pretty much the essence of why your original post is so silly. As time went on, those guys demonstrated improvement and growing ability. As time went on with Rudy, it’s better for the argument that he’s going to step up to no mention that time goes on. Because he didn’t demonstrate improvement and growing ability.

My point is that all these intangible characteristics such as leadership, clutchness, etc. are impossible to accurately measure and predict (hence the term intangible).

That’s not really the meaning of the term intangible. There are all kinds of ways to measure and predict intangibles assets, even though it’s difficult and not precise.

What we do know is that Rudy is a fantastic shooter.

Where, by fantastic, you mean he’s good.

He’s also very tall for a SG, which allows him to shoot over defenders.

He’s about average or slightly above average in height for a SG. Not very tall. He doesn’t have impressive reach or wingspan compared to his peers. The one thing I see that’s really notable in the size department is he’s giving up a huge amount of mass compared to most of his peers. A guy like DWade came into the league at 212lbs of muscle. Rudy came in at 172. So even if he’s bulked up a bit, we’re talking about 40lbs of difference there.

And yet, somehow Wade can run faster and jump higher

He’s also very athletic

compared to his relevant peers?

, very adept at moving without the ball

He is? Because sometimes I hear he’s best with the ball in his hands. The perfect guy to give the ball a bunch when Rose isn’t on the floor. But then I hear he’s very adept at moving without the ball. I suppose he’s just great at everything.

and a good finisher. All of those characteristics are shared with Reggie Miller. And then, when you do look at the stats, they’re similar enough where I don’t think it’s that far-fetched to say that Rudy’s ceiling is Reggie Miller in his prime. Whether he’ll actually get there is another story.

And a much more important story. And the likely answer is no. At least if you’re defining his ceiling as Reggie Miller.