Why are the Chicago Bulls annointed as a top 4 team in the East? - From Brewhoop.com
I like checking out other teams blogs to see what's going on and get a different and less Bull-centric view on things.
Came across this little piece which I found very interesting. Now I don't count myself as a very homerish Bulls-fan but I do believe that barring injuries the Bulls should be between 5-10 victories ahead of the Bucks when the regular season closes.
Needless to say the Bucks fans have a slightly differing view...
Enjoy, BAB'ers.
(This is not intended to entice a swarm of trolling BAB'ers to go over to Brewhoop and get on everyones bad side so please behave respectfully if you choose to post on their blog.)
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wow...
reading the way those bucks fans think we match up 1 through 5, bench, and coach was good for a laugh.
BAHAHAHA!
i like how we match up with them…
PG Advantage Bulls by a little bit(Jennings vs. Rose)… could be advantage bucks but just depends on Jennings development
SG Advantage Bucks(Salmons vs. Scrub)
SF Tie (Delfino vs. Deng)
PF Advantage Bulls by a little bit(Boozer vs. Gooden)
C Advantage Bucks(Bogut vs. Noah)
Bench Bucks
Coach Bucks
Chris Delfino is better than Luol? Is this a joke? And Gooden is nowhere near Boozer. He is SO much better. Bogut too. I think it’s at least colse between those two. Joakim would destroy him on the glass,; but Bogut is a better scorer.
Here’s another one:
Skiles is as good as they come
He wasn’t bad but, come one, now.
Thanks for my morning laugh.
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~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 6:43 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, Bucks don't match up on their 1 through 5
It’s their depth of 12 quality players where they can just press and play relentless D an entire game, 82 games a year. They’ll be a typical Skiles team: they’ll beat the teams they should, beat most of the teams they’re equal with and beat some of the teams that are better than them because they take nights off… and the Bucks won’t.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I meant the better teams will take nights off, trying to coast against a lesser team.
The Bucks never will. That’s why Skiles’s teams seem to out perform their talent. They play the proverbial 48 minutes of 82 games due to depth and Skiles’s relentlessness.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ty[ical Skiles teams DON"T beat teams they should
Usually they get to their middling win total by beating teams they shouldn’t (during the regular season) and losing to a fair amount of teams they should beat.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's not true.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yea, actually the more I think about it, it isn't true
Majoyenrac is more on point below.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes it is
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Typical Skiles teams
Will get the teams they should lose to often on a night of going through the motions where they can steal a game or two.
But in the playoffs will show that they are outmatched…..I suspect a bit of that will happen, though the Bucks should be a top 6 seed (presuming Bogut is 100%, and Jennings isn’t a flash in the pan Nov-Dec of last year rookie)….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
I don’t see why people are bogus on Skiles his teams always over achieve.
This bucks team should still do very well but they’re always injured. To me thats the reason people aren’t putting them up in the top 4. (Is even Redd still playing since they don’t list him?)
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
As far as we are concerned Redd is done.
We were better without him. I always hate it when the announcers say something to the affect of, “…And without Michael Redd” Because we started doing better not long after his injury. And at the beginning of the season when he was still hurt from last year.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I only saw him in a few games and he didn’t look very effective.
Salmons is a very odd player or sometimes he gets injuries that no one knows/talks about. Cause with us he had a great close to the season last year then stunk in the playoffs and to Feburary of next season. Then he did another 180 after that…
Anyway I’ve wondered if the Bucks could be a realistic option for Melo next FA. Especially looking at Redds situation he must of had a pretty big contract.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
That's my ultimate pipe dream ;)
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no way Melo is going to banish himself to Milwaukee.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
And what are you basing that on?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
When Healthy Bogut if he can replicate last year is better than Noah…..even if I like Noah.
But the health factor is a real thing with Bogut since he is always hurt (even though last year’s injury was a fluke—a disgusting fluke)….
I love Noah’s energy and IQ/game, but Bogut last year turned into a protypical star C.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
they are going to be seriously disappointed with the performance of Drew Gooden
the most clueless defender in the NBA.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh trust me, we have an idea
Or at least I do.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Not trying to be an ass or anything, cause I really like that Bucks team
and I actually think we’ll be very close in wins, but I liked your team a lot more without Maggette or Gooden. Not as much on Maggette, but Gooden was just wrong.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I didn’t like the Gooden signing. Still don’t.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
I don’t understand why anyone would be up in arms over the post on your site. That Bucks team is a lot better than people are giving it credit for. What’s wrong with debating your team vs. a similar team in the same conference? My only issue is with the people saying Jennings is as good as Rose. Jennings is a nice player, but let’s chill on that for a minute.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on the Jennings/Rose part.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not the post.
It’s some of the comments, such as…
PG Advantage Bulls by a little bit(Jennings vs. Rose)… could be advantage bucks but just depends on Jennings development
Rose will smoke Jennings. After Jennings hot first two months, he cooled off. He only averaged like 12 points per game after the first two months.
SF Tie (Delfino vs. Deng)
Let me know when Delfino goes 18/8. Exactly. Deng averages that.
PF Advantage Bulls by a little bit(Boozer vs. Gooden)
Gooden sucks. Not even a competitive matchup.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Supposed to be other than Jennings hot last months.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Give it a little time
someone here will say something equally or more stupid.
_rew Goo_en is back!
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by bennythebull on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
One of them actually said “Bench Bucks by far”
BY FAR? You kidding me? Gibson, Korver, watson, thomas, asik
The Bulls’ depth is one of the best in the league now…
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Your Welcome.
I’ll be here all night….
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
But really
Could you please explain to me all of the Bucks fans saying that the Bucks have a great bench and the the bulls have no bench??
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Myself, I don't believe the Bulls have no bench
They have a pretty solid bench.
Taj Gibson, Kyle Korver, C.J Watson, Kurth Thomas (who is asik, out of curiosity?)
Bucks- Dooling, CDR, Maggette, Luc Richard, Ilyasova, Brockman, Sanders.
Some of the Buck’s third guys at the forward spots are legitimate rotation guys.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Asik
Turkish big guy from the Euroleague that the Bulls just signed for next to nothing. Supposed to be very good defensively, but might need some time to adjust. He could be a very good backup C for years to come.
And, hm, I suppose on further reflection, the Bucks bench is rather good. Though, it’s a definite stretch to say it’s far better. We’ll leave it at debatable who has the bench advantage
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, Gotcha.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
so you guys
think delfino will start over maggette?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
For now, yes.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He should. Delfino is a much better defender than Mags.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad the third guys don't matter a lick
You guys have a nice bench but your 3rd stringers are barely going to make an impact. As for who is Asik, he’s a Euro big who’s been getting a fair amount of buzz. He’s a legit 7-footer who’s a great shot-blocker but is still a work in progress on O.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually they will get a fair amount of playing time, I think.
At least in our front court. It depends what you consider a third stringer.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I consider the 3rd stringer to be the 3rd guy on the depth chart at a given position
Most of the time, the starter’s gonna play 30-35 minutes and the backup’s gonna play 10-15 minutes, leaving just about nothing for the 3rd stringer. 3rd string players are inconsequential unless someone gets hurt.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Holy crap!!!!
5-10 games? I don’t see that at all. That’s about as homerish as one could be, no?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I said I don't COUNT myself as homerish
I didn’t say I AM NOT… :)
I may have to reevaluate that stance… ;)
How do you see the two teams records comparing?
pretty evenly, actually
I think the Bulls will be the better team, but I think the Bucks will have close to the same record.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, but I'd put that on the outer range, not the closer range.
But to each his own.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Decided I'd post over there
Can’t wait for the responses.
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~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 6:48 AM CDT reply actions
lol some of them are crazy
but they do have some good points too, the bucks are closer to us then alot of bulls fans are willing to admit, i somehow see us slipping up to 4th, boston 5th, bucks getting above atle for 6th
I do see them getting the 5th-7th seed and being pretty good.
But I don’t think they have a chance to beat us for the central div crown. Unless we have some injury issues.
i see a healthy bucks team winning between 50-55 games, just like the bulls. its going to be
close there between MIL, CHI and ATL for the 3-5 spots.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
i dont think they are done, i just dont see why they will win more than 50 games this year,
which is what it will take to be a top 5 seed in the east.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Yeah
They probably will be resting Pierce/Garnett/Allen, so while they could be one of the better teams, they probably won’t be one of the higher seeds
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
They probably will be resting Pierce/Garnett/Allen, so while they could be one of the better teams, they probably won’t be one of the higher seeds
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Where the Bucks really have the edge is on teamplay
not because we can’t be good. But our team is just too different. We may bump a little bit in the beggining. I’m really expecting some silly loses in the first 15-20 games.
That said they are also crazy to think that maggette won’t start.
It is really hard to gauge
Thibs as a new coach for us and as a first time head coach in the NBA is such a big X-factor that it is hard to predict the end result. In the end I may have to admit to being an optimistic homer… (sigh)
I'd agree with our team being different being a problem
But 3 of the 5 are the same guys and Boozer is so much better than Taj, that I can’t see any negatives of playing for a new team, outweighing the positive of a big increase in talent.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Was this like a fan shot or something?
Because their analysis leaves something to be desired.
Sure, they have added some nice talent. But they stunk last season
For the crew at Brewhoop, stinking means making the playoffs with a .500 record? So basically, their team has stunk every year since 2001?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
yes, it's a fanpost
there are some doozys here too. Actually, THIS should’ve been a fanpost, but all you guys seem to hate them.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
im new here
and dont fully understand what makes a post worty of a fanpost or fanshot, care to fill me in?
If you're adding your own commentary it's probably a fanpost
unless it’s just ‘hey look at this link’. If you’re adding quotes from the source too, it’s definitely a fanpost.
It doesn’t have as much to do with the ‘worthiness’ of the subject matter. It’s all equally pointless :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
It must be the location
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I was thinking about it.
Remember something about links being best suited for shots…
Next time… ;)
If you're adding more than a sentence or two of your own commentary, then it's a fan post.
if you’re just passing a link on “without explanation”, so to speak, fanshot.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ya, that's terrible
Noah missed 18 games and was limited in several others….Rose missed 4 (all or some while Noah was out, don’t remember)…Deng missed 12…Hinrich missed 8…they also traded away two of their best players and got very little back…they still made the playoffs and played Cleveland well…the Bulls were right on par with Milwaukee last year despite Rose and Noah fighting off injuries…the Bulls added three point shooting, and an All star power forward…ugh…I wish they would at least attempt some sort of analysis…Gooden almost on par with Boozer…wow
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
We took our lessons at ESPN School of Analysis.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup
Going .500 and making the playoffs while simply waiting for the next year AND trading away good players for nothing. Total stink.
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
oh yeah btw
is redd gonna be back in the mix this season for them? or is he just finished?
I heard if he's back
They’d hope for January, but they think he’s a shell of what he was….if he comes back.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
i think my favorite part
was one of the commenters questioning why noah wasn’t chosen for team USA. and then promptly shut down lol.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Dang, he was already shut down? I meant to do that!
Noah’s playing for France if I remember correctly.
It's a shame he'd already commited to France, he'd probably be starting for Team USA
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Jul 29, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have Rose
Nuff said
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 29, 2010 9:27 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
When he played well in the playoffs and stretch run, the Bulls won. When he wasn’t a factor, they lost. Pure and simple.
Hinrich was the X-factor who could make you fall asleep, then kill you because he’d be wide open in the corner.
by OBrienSchofieldismyHero
HAHAHAHA
I forgot these idiots are also Brewers fans. Their idiocy and we-get-no-respect mentality makes much more sense now.
by NittanyCub on Jul 29, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
lol
i also enjoyed how they were like, if the rosters were switched, people would still be saying the bulls are better! right. i’ve seen plenty of people giving them props for their moves this offseason, which i’ve questioned – maggette and gooden? so great! lol. no, people are picking the bulls cause they are better. end of story.
i don’t think they’re gonna be like a ton better than milwaukee, but i certainly give them the edge.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
This is how you know they're not Bulls fans
Or else they’d call him “Glue Guy” or “Thrustmeister”, not X-factor (which is also false)
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or the
Craptain, Captain Clank, Hinbrick, the Scraptain
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
u guys suck
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
That said
I wish maggette was our SG
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 29, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
At half his salary....
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
The Bucks were several games better than the Bulls last year and they improved their team's biggest weaknesses
rebounding (Gooden) and getting to the line (Mags). I think people should take a wait and see approach to determine whether we’re better. Bogut’s the best player on either team, right now. Rose will probably be end up being better (I hope), but the importance of a center who can defend like Bogut (he was the best in East outside of Dwight and it wasn’t close) and give you efficient post scoring and expert passing is huge. He’s so, so good and so underappreciated.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Bogut's the best player on either team right now"
WHAT?
That is just fundamentally WRONG!
by BAB-Bass on Jul 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Unfortunately
I think we have to agree wtih fundamentally sound here. Bogut was great Dec-March or whenever he went down. He had a superb all around game, and really was a legit candidate for #2 C in the league (East or West). Course he’s no Dwight Howard, but he lept from disappointing former #1 pick who could beat guys he’s supposed to beat, but who would disappear against the better C’s often and was always hurt, to a beast all around who stepped up against the good C’s, but is always hurt.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
No, it's really not.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
How the hell is this green? Andrew Bogut had a fantastic season last year.
It’s not even close, he was the best/most important player on that team.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If he was joking, it would've been chuckle-worthy
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
If so then wooooooosh on my part.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't say THAT team
He said EITHER team.
And I for one strongly disagree with that statement.
Welp, you're wrong.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if you'd still dare claim that if I had you in my chair...
Btw, your sig is wrong! :P
I think its not that clear if Bogut was better than Rose. He was on the better team that year and the Bulls a few times earlier in the season were ready to implode.
They weren’t working in the same context.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
bogut is. he got snubbed from the allstar game
Rose probably will be better but bogut is pretty damn good right now. Maybe you can argue boozer but I think bogut has a more complete game
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
I agree about Bogut being under appreciated
But I still think your argument is flawed. Bogut finished with 54% TS. That’s not exactly great for a center. League average is 55.7. Expert passing? His assist to turnover ratio was .96, with the league average being .89. It’s pretty good, but I would not call it expert passing by any stretch. Honestly, I would argue that in the areas of defense, rebounding, efficient scoring, and passing, Joakim is only worse in defense and is still a very good defender.
Joakim: 17.96PER, 17.14USG, 55.7TS%, 20.4TRR, 27.7DRR, 12.9ORR, 101DRtg, 3.5 DWS (defensive Win Shares), 10.8AST%, 1.13 A:TO
Bogut: 20.66PER, 23.24USG, 54.1TS%, 17.9TRR, 26.4DRR, 10.2ORR, 98DRtg, 4.8DWS, 10.3AST%, .97 A:TO
Joakim is definitely a more efficient scorer due to his higher TS% and having a PER higher than his USG speaks volumes. Noah is a better rebounder in all areas. Bogut is definitely the better defender. Noah was a slightly better passer last year, assisting on a higher percentage of the Bulls baskets and keeping a greater than 1 assist to turnover ratio.
I realize that you were kind of making a comparison ability wise to Rose, but I see Noah’s all around abilities being very near to Bogut. Granted, Bogut actually has a post game, but Noah still scores more efficiently. You may be right, Bogut might actually have been better than Rose was last year (although Rose was dominant later in the year), but what about Noah. He is really damn good.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
But you have to realize
Bogut is actually used, very often, as the team’s first offensive option. Noah seems to be more efficient b/c he doesn’t take as many shots, he is not the focus of any defense, and he really only takes close layups, dunks, or wide open jumpers. Plus, for ur “league average” numbers, are those for centers or all players?
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that make Joakim even better?
If he only averaged 5 more ppg while being the number one soring option?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
but he probably couldnt
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Those league average numbers are for all centers
Also, I was not claiming Noah is the better offensive weapon, just that he is much more efficient and still scores quite well. I was also trying to show that Noah is a superior rebounder and better passer than Bogut too. I felt like Bogut was getting a bit more credit than deserved.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
The only bad part of that analysis is the assumption that Kurt would kill a team when left open
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
He killed the Bulls all the time.
He didn’t clarify which team. That was the bad part of the analysis.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
He is right
When he played well in the playoffs and stretch run, the Bulls won. When he wasn’t a factor, they lost. Pure and simple.
Because when he played well, the Bulls had someone to actually play with Rose and Noah. When he played poorly, the Bulls were counting on Flip and Pargo to pick up the slack. And Hinrich playing well meant scoring 13-16 points on a reasonable efficiency. I think we will more than make up for that with Brewer, Korver and Watson.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Correlation doesn't imply causation
Hinrich did well in the game that Deng and Rose also did well against the Cavs, and had much more of an impact. Saying that ‘when he played well’ implies that he will eventually play well in a game. The last couple of years, he hasn’t proven that notion.
In other words, it's like saying
when Taj Gibson is on, oh man is he on fire.
by NittanyCub on Jul 29, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nah, I think there is some meaning in the relationship
when Hinrich played well, it did help what the rest of the team could do. Where theyre making a mistake is by looking at it as Hinrich lifting up the team when he played well, and not (as we do) that he was dragging them down with mediocrity the rest of the time.
by reprisal on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, that was essentially what i was saying
Hinrich’s bad play dragged the team down all season, so I hate when people give him credit for playing well in wins. He is suppose to be a good player all the time.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
We salute thee
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
How so?
I don’t really read Blazersedge so…
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Kind of like how I read on here
When everyone was going nuts that they would get LeBron and Bosh, “We’re going to win 7 titles in the next 10 years!”
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
That was a lot more realistic than Blazer fans thinking they'd win 7 in 10 behind Roy, Oden, LMA, and Rudy
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
True.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I always forget about Bogut when I think about the Bucks
It just seems like he’s always injured and never actually playing. When he’s healthy, he’s one of the best and can make the bucks very good
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions
Man..fuck that
I’m about to entice a swarm of trolling BAB’ers to go over to Brewhoop and get on everyones bad side! Let’s go!
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by GarForman on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
two words
Derrick rose
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Derrick Rose>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jennings (arron brooks' brother)/Salmons
"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah
by T.Moore on Jul 29, 2010 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Where do they get off
saying our perimeter defense is suspect? Brewer and Deng? With one of the great current defensive minds as coach? Huh?
Finally the NBA has a villain
I hope they realize that their Bucks roster was playing out of their minds last year.
Not to mention at one point they said that Taj would be the 5th power forward on their team. Taj is easily as talented if not more talented as Drew Gooden.
Also no one on that blog seems to realize that Kurt Thomas was their back up last year and they have no one to replace him, and he is our 3rd string center this year.
They seem to think that the depth is way better on the Bucks, but is it really? They have 4 quality players on their bench and we easily make that up.
I guess we will get to see this season that in fact the Bulls are better than the Bucks.
by BananaReel on Jul 29, 2010 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Those people are on something
Like I’ve said, The Bucks are going to obliterate the Bulls
Sorry, I know thats ur team and all, but the Bucks roster makes for a better all around team. Bucks’ll go 4-0 in the regular season against the Bulls and clinch the Central easy.
I know ur favoritism is to the Bulls because thats your team, but honestly, I’m unimpressed. Boozer is a 2 time all star and a 1 time all nba 3rd teamer in 7 years, not really impressed. Rose sucked for the first half of the season last year to the point where he made promises to himself publicly, he improved but he’s only been in the league 2 years to suck for half of 1, I say that to say, Jennings also has only sucked for 1. Salmons is miles ahead of Brewer. Brewer is strictly defense. I know you would like to discredit Salmons and Gooden because they are former Bulls but one mans trash is another mans treasure. I saw a guy in the paper the other day who bought a $45 painting and they appraised it for $200mil, point being, just cuz the Bulls couldn’t use their talent right, doesn’t mean the Bucks won’t.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 PM CDT reply actions
that was awesome
I know ur saying the bulls are gonna win because you are bulls fans and are homers….but as a bucks fan i say the bucks are better….yea u guys are biased, but we bucks fans, we arent…
Jennings is awesome, hes only sucked for entire season, but rose…he sucked for half a year…and hes been in the league for 2damn years….i mean jennings only sucked for 1, and it was his rookie season, but rose…sophmore year he sucked for half the damn year man…signs of a bust i tell ya….
Boozer is an all star yea, but he sucked at utah..hes been trash for the last couple seasons…but gooden and salmons are awesome..i mean yea they sucked the last few seasons..but one teams trash is another teams treasure…
….yea…..
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 30, 2010 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He did NOT suck for half a year
And I’m tired of people saying so. He sucked for about a month, then absolutely dominated. Gooden and Salmons are NOT awesome.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
i was with you
i basically paraphrased what the guy said…all hypocritical crap
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 30, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
We don't agree with him.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 30, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
id hope not
that comment is a giant ball of hypocrisy
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 30, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Why are they all convinced Gooden and Salmons are so good?
Boy are they in for a surprise.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions
Remember...
It’s just one of two people. There are a lot more people on our blog that didn’t post on that fan post who would probably disagree.
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
by Jacob Grinyer on Jul 30, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I hear ya
There are always some fans that kinda sorta make the whole fanbase sound dumb. Bulls have em too. Let’s just say there won’t be any obliteration lol
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 30, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
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