Rudy Fernandez trade talks cool
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 PM CDT
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So says the Portland media, saying that it may be a few days, and there is 'no ultimatum' to move him.
And it's tough to tell if John Jackson is actually reporting something new, or if this is just a delayed relaying of the consensus (that's what this blog is for!), but he says the Bulls offered James Johnson...with the omission of any mention of first round picks being pretty interesting. The headline for that article says the Bulls are 'hot' for Fernandez, but not including a pick seems more the definition of a half-arsed offer.
Here's to hoping the Bulls are at least offering (or plan to) one of their future first round picks. The initial reported teams of interest were Boston and the Knicks, and while the latter can't provide any future picks at all the Celtics can. And given some projections of their regular season performance to come, the C's first rounder may be of similar value to either the Bulls own pick or the one owed from the Bobcats starting in 2012.
And if that's the only teams interested, and the haul necessary to get Rudy is only a first-rounder, it's a no-brainer. He'd likely win the starting 2-guard job, a potentially great fit alongside Rose and an acquisition with the best potential to give the Bulls a dynamite starting lineup necessary to compete with the truly elite teams in the league.
Or he could continue the downward trend he began last season and sulk back to Europe after a year. That scenario is why I'm not as easy to give up Taj Gibson in a deal, but a future first-rounder should be definite.
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I suppose the great thing about this is...
And I mean this as passionately as possible… I don’t care much.
I think our 11 guys right now are good, and though I think Rudy could fit well here and make us better, I also worry that he will complain about minutes and be a burden on our rookie coach and team chemistry.
So, either way, I’m good. If I had to choose, I’m in favor of taking the risk, because I think you could always buy Rudy out if he’s a problem and he’d go back to Spain.
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by kidronmusic on Jul 28, 2010 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
I feel bad that the Bulls feel this way too
this is like the story of the offseason. ’we’re good’. Some fans are cool with that. Fine, whatever, not to get into a ‘what does it all mean’ debate but I don’t agree with the attitude of complacence.
I guess why start being risky now, but this seems like a new opportunity. Maybe not though, it’s not like Fernandez wasn’t known to be available a month ago.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rudy...
IMO is not a difference maker. Hardly a better basketball player than Brewer, just different skill set. He would be a nice piece to have, but that’s all this guy is…a complimentary piece. I doubt he’d even start ahead of Brewer. If we can snag another shooter for JJ and a late first rounder…do it…but don’t think this takes the Bulls from good to great. I guess I’ve never understood all the love Rudy gets for someone who has done next to nothing special and is very flawed as a player.
by ronmexibull on Jul 28, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
In his rookie year
he was shooting 40% from 3 but unlike a lot of other deadly 3pt shooters he’s athletic enough to finish string at the rim (alley oop dunks etc) and play tough wing defense. I’m not sure that combination exists in too many players.
Last year it was a different story.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 29, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the fascination
is because he is basically the exact type of guard you would want to put next to Rose. He can run and is athletic. He can shoot. But he also won’t be looking to create his own shot too much. I haven’t seen him enough to know about his defense, but I guess he’s pretty good there too, with room for improvement.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 29, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
word....
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I think we just miss Jamal Crawford
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by Sports2 on Jul 29, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
After not getting any of the big three
and considering what was left and the cap space available, what should the Bulls have done differently? Haven’t they maximized, or nearly so, the Bulls’ improvement, given what was left?
by hlac on Jul 29, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's not that they haven't done well under the circumstances. It's that they shouldn't stop looking into any opportunity
to improve the team between now and the beginning of the season.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
bingo
a team shouldn’t say the phrase “we’re good” unless they’re a legitimate title contender. we aren’t there yet. gotta look at anything that makes you better, or gamble on situations with the upside to make you a contender. Rudy qualifies as the latter.
What have you done for me lately
I guess. I mean the story of the offseason? Really? Isnt the story of the offseason that the Bulls pursued the big three, got shot down first by Bosh and Wade, and then dramatically by Lebron in his “Decision”? Then they salvaged the best offseason of any team (not named Miami) by picking up Boozer, Korver, Brewer, and Watson? Thereby building a favorite to win their division, and at reasonable salaries, so that they can continue to win for a number of years to come?
I mean does that sound like a team that did not try to improve? Sounds like the opposite to me.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 29, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
we're good...
But what happened to greatness?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 29, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
If they somehow snag Rudy
What plan would that fall under?
It’s certainly not plan A but this has plan B written all over it
Thonus would give it an A-
Or would it be a B+?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 28, 2010 11:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I'd give up that Bobcats pick in a second.
Do it. Done. Bingo-bango-bongo.
Rose/Watson
Rudy/Brewer
Deng/Korver
Boozer/Taj
Noah/Asik/Thomas
…WOW!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Yea, that's a pretty sweet setup (and Luol injury proof!)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 28, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
One problem: No Jimmy Johns.
Who delivers the pre-game meals?
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
they may prefer not taking Jimmy Johns
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
was that you?
congrats, unless you’re a filthy liar
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Whoever came up with that nickname...well, it's genius. And I applaud them greatly.
I kind of hope he’s still on the team this year so we can continue to use. Wait, no I don’t. He’s awful.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Tyger said Sports2 came up with it
Then someone else said it was from the RealGM board. It’s a mystery!
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 28, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I was using it
at least 5 months ago. I distinctly remember using it at the Bulls first game in DC back in Feb. Not sure if it was around before then.
The nickname sucks...
Because as it was mentioned…
Jimmy Johns actually delivers.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
did you reuse the same joke
from the old thread?
D2.0 sucks!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah....
he still sucks. and I re-use my jokes all the time, because they’re HILARIOUS
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
In fairness, John Jackson seems to be a pretty weaksauce beat writer so I'm not surprised
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
yeah, tough to tell if Jackson just neglected to find out
but KC’s report earlier didn’t mention picks either.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You know your beat is in trouble
when your best beat writer, McGraw, doesn’t write for a major Chicago paper, and the guy with the most access, KC, constantly bitches about how he can’t wait for vacation. Oh yeah, he also said that this was the “summer from hell.” What an awful life he must lead to have to cover an NBA basketball team in a major market for a living!
But seriously, how can we have such a crappy beat when we’re in such huge market? I don’t get it. Never will.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
I can't stand when KC says shit like that
It’s so gd annoying. Tons of people are reading his shit, the fanbase and city is excited, and he’s crying about it. Give me a break.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 28, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I know, he's such a douche about it.
I don’t think he realizes how many people out there would LOVE to have his job with the access to the team that he gets. It’s really an incredible dream job to have if you’re into journalism, yet he’s always bitching like it’s the worst job in the world. Not sure why he has to be such a tool about it. Dude needs to get some perspective…or go get a new job. It’s not like Bulls coverage would really suffer if he quit.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 28, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think parsing a million 'um's every night is that glamorous
and KC seems to enjoy his work. I don’t get how one couldn’t see that job getting frustrating at points too, even transcending the blissful feeling of driving to Deerfield to wait for Ronnie Brewer for an hour.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
If I could stop interviewing professors of higher education and start interviewing people my own age who play professional basketball...
I’d shit myself for at least a year. Once that glow wears off, we’d see. I have a feeling I’d never complain like KC. But I would prepare much more disguised frustration in the form of humor. Not because I’m wicked funny, but because I’m not – WOuld need to prepare that type of writing/reporting.
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by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Well if they worked in an average job
They are bound to think KC’s job is pretty damn good, when you have a better job than the people you cater to (average reader) you should probably keep any complaints to yourself, regardless how valid they may be.
Of course KC is surrounded by people who have much better jobs than him (NBA player) so I guess his view is probably skewed a bit.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Reminds me of Peter King
He lives a pretty glamorous life and he feels the need to bitch about something in every article.
papers are dead
reporters for every type of news suck nowadays. They don’t report facts, the editorialize, they fear the internet rather than embrace it. The future is in online news. KC is the poster child for a dieing industry.
eh, I don't think he mentions it too much
it’s on twitter and usually amongst other beat writers. I complain about having so many dumbass commenters too, but young bloggers would love the audience :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is Brewer ok with backing up Fernandez?
I thought he came here instead of going elsewhere for more because we offered him the starting job.
So with Fernandez you could end up with someone being disgruntled either way.
So the Heat got LeBron. Thought of hittin' the Booze, but then I realized I don't give a Deng. We've got long Rose of banners and we'll be getting some more. You Noah I'm sayin?
Its not just Rudy that could screw up chemistry
Brewer came here (and probably took less money) to start. If we get Rudy, no matter who starts, the other guy is probably going to bitch.
Finally the NBA has a villain
by cp881289 on Jul 28, 2010 10:55 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
it seems different than McGrady
they’re both young, have an actual competition for the job.
and if they promised Brewer a starting job, break the promise.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
and also tell Brewer
just wait for Deng to get hurt.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, tough beans. It's the NBA.
At least both guys competing for the job are actually good, whereas McGrady sucks now. I can definitely get behind this kind of risk.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
If Brewer's really all that,
which I’m not really buying based on that ugly J, then he should have a shot at starting over the Denger in a meritocracy, no? Happy Brewer, happy Fernandez, hard working character guy coming off the bench.
That's what I don't get about the McGrady thing
Even though the reason he isn’t here is probably his workout, if the reason the Bulls went cold on TMAC was because he didn’t convey that he’d be willing to come off the bench than he’s at fault. Why not just lie through your teeth and swear that you’re willing to come off the bench because everyone knows that it would only be a matter of time before he starts anyway seeing how injury prone Deng is.
That's pride fuckin' with ya.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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by tyger1147 on Jul 29, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You see,
this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic mother[truckers]. Mother[truckers] who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don’t.
semi-unrelated note
Is there a blog rule for no F bombs? Just curious because of the “truckers” use up there.
No, no rule.
I don’t think Matt cares a lot about it as long as you aren’t being ridiculous and as long as you’re not trolling. Sometimes, I drop the f-bomb myself. Just didn’t feel like it this time around.
thanks guys
given the fact that I’m just about as new around here as the recently “executed” people, I’m trying not to step on any toes :)
from what i gather...
….basically, don’t be an idiot, and if you are, at least be funny about it. and not like you think you’re being funny, but actually funny. And only talk about sports, and 99% basketball.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
oh yeah, I need to hold those executions soon
it’s supposed to be a weekend thing and I whiffed last weekend. Honestly the need has greatly diminished, so credit to y’all.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
credit to the bulls for making this summer go from torture to exciting. they made a lot of us step back from the ledge. haha
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 29, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
McGrady just needs to sign with the Clippers or Nets and get it over with
if he wants to start. If he is willing to come off the bench – the Celtics or Lakers. He is walking around like he has a lot of good options when he has none.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, they would both basically get starterish minutes
If there were absolutely zero injuries, they’d get shafted a bit, but as soon as Deng is out there are 30+ minutes up for grabs. We don’t want Korver taking all of those.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
If we get Rudy and he plays well
I think it Korver who gets squeezed more than anyone. It will be much less important to get him on the floor, except as a limited role player.
thats probly a good thing
i don’t like his lack of athleticism on this team. right now we need him tho
Finally the NBA has a villain
He's a good team defender and can shoot the lights out
Even if we get Rudy, I see Korver on the floor for 15 minutes a night backing up Deng. Deng should not get huge minutes… anything beyond 30 minutes/game should be limited. And again, This team is as talented as it is injury prone. Rose is bound to miss games on account of being dinged up, Deng will miss AT LEAST 10 games, Boozer is a gigiantic question mark in terms of health.
I see 20-25mpg at least for each Korver, Brewer, and Fernandez. What is more, one of those guys will end up starting a shit ton of games and may evolve into a high-minutes player. Deng absolutes has a chance to come from the bench at some point this year.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
agree keep Taj
I wouldn’t want to give up Taj, only because it seems another Guard that can shoot would be easier to find then a decent PF on a cheap rookie contract who seems like he will simply work hard and do his job behind Boozer
by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 28, 2010 11:01 PM CDT reply actions
don't forget his hard hat AND lunch pail
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate that that phrase is ruining Taj
I like the guy, but of course King had to rub that one in our faces at least 82 times this season. Such a shame.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
at least Taj will lose his unofficial first name
“The Rookie” Taj Gibson
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
To be replaced by "The Aged"
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
no more Rise of Taj references either
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by Rex Grossman on Jul 30, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
no deal.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 30, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Rudy clearly a better player than Brewer?
I don’t think so. He’s got a nice shot, but would it be so terrible to have him as a sixth man?
I prefer Brewer matching up against opposing 2’s instead of…what’s the term…European Softness.
that's likely true (outside of the xenophobia)
Brewer is likely the better defensive fit next to Rose, but Rudy is not bad at that end and it’d be nice to have outside shooting somewhere in the starting lineup. (I know, Deng will shoot 3s this year, Thibs swears…)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey man, Derrick has a 3-point shot now! Don't you forget!!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
I'd like to get Rudy
I just have reservations about removing the athletic defender from the starting lineup.
God I wish Deng could shoot 3’s.
I guess Brewer is a better fit for the "flex"
…you know, if we want to institute an offense the good western conference teams
have already seen and know how to beat
Finally the NBA has a villain
if the hang up is the Charlotte pick, than its more understandable
but if the Bulls don’t want to offer even their own first round pick, than they think Portland is dumb and aren’t serious about acquiring Rudy
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 28, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions
Would our pick even interest them?
It’s been mentioned by more than a few Blazers fans they don’t mind buying late first round picks, which the Bulls will be.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
do they hate money?
we’d probably be the ones throwing in the cash
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
They don't hate it.. they just have a lot of it already
My point is that they can get a similar pick without giving up a Rudy Fernandez is all.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
But I don't see how they get much more than a 1st round pick
for a 3rd string shooting guard. I guess they could hold on to Rudy out of spite. But if Boston doesn’t offer Glen Davis and the Bulls won’t offer Taj, I don’t see any other teams in the running willing to give up a player they can use. And since Portland’s roster is already pretty much complete, I don’t know if they even want another player.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Would depend on what they want.
They may feel they need another big man, or just a SG who doesn’t bitch about play time. Or maybe a better first round pick like the Bobcats.
Or keeping Rudy Fernandez might be better than trading for something they can get without trading him is all. If all they can get is our first round draft pick, they may not want to move him.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The longer they hold on to him, the more his value will drop
He is right now the 5th guard behind Miller, Bayless, Roy and Matthews. At SF they have Batum, who everyone loves. They also just drafted a 2 guard – Eliot Williams and a small forward – Luke Babbit. They have Aldridge, Camby, and Oden up front with Cunningham as their 4th big man who Blazer fans say Portland won’t trade.
And in Rudy they have a player no one is bidding on because he may bolt back to Europe the first chance he gets. I understand what you are saying, because Portland is that stubborn, but their position doesn’t make a lot of sense. Its time to cut bait like the Bulls did with Tyrus. No point of holding onto a player you can’t use and won’t get any value for later.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Trading him for something they can get without trouble
Doesn’t do much for them either. That’s all I’m saying. They don’t value that pick as much as other teams do. Sure they might settle for it, but they aren’t going to jump at it or anything.
They might think they are better off keeping as their 5th guard in case of an injury or to see if there are any desperate teams at the deadline due to their own injuries.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
if his value is already low to negligable for them
then it can’t drop much more, no harm in waiting
i meant his value around the league
The longer he stays in Portland, the less time the team that ultimately gets him, has to get Rudy in their system and prevent him from going back to Spain.
I doubt his value goes up sitting on the bench. Its not like they are going to get a better deal at the trade deadline. That is wishful thinking. You may trade a 1st round pick for a guy who is going to be with you a full season. But if he is going to be with you 30 games? His value drops.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe they'll trot him out for a bunch of games right before the deadline
like houston did with tmac before they shipped him to the knicks? If he knows performing well in those games is his best bet of getting shipped out, he may go back to rookie form for them.
Well its not very likely
they can just swap Rudy for another SG who doesnt bitch and is almost as good.
Why would they want another SG?
The Blazers should want a future pick more than anything. Because right now, they’re over-stocked with players
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And they are going to sign another PG
Think they are going to sign another PG between Patty Mills and Armon Johnson. Guess Johnson has suprised alot of people in the Blazer’s organization so much that they may consider taking both of them although it isn’t likely. Point is, this would even further logjam the Blazer’s backcourt. I think they like to use Bayless at the 2 occasionally for “small ball” purposes also.
Having a player named Rudy is good luck
There’s Rudy from Notre Dame; then you have Rudy Huxtuble, who ran for like 5 td’s in one game once on an episode of Cosby, and Rudy Tomjanovich!(sp)
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by GarForman on Jul 28, 2010 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
And me
im one lucky sob
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by Rudey on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess my only question is
Who’s going to punch Thibs?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Bobcats pick
I wouldn’t give it up. Larry Brown will almost certainly be gone by then, the Bobcats have been making their usual terrible moves this offseason, there’s a great chance that pick could be top 5 and our team won’t have as good a chance to infuse with big talent like that often in the years to come.
Isnt the pick protected?
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 28, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Charlotte’s own 2012 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-14 protected in the 2012 Draft, top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.)
not worth sitting on a pick that long
unless they’re saving it for a mid-season trade
Finally the NBA has a villain
No way in hell that pick is unprotected. Even Jordan isn't that idiotic.
Well, he probably is. But I bet some secretary fixed it for him.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's a playable mode in 2K11
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
The 'do better than Michael Jordan as GM' mode
I heard they made it impossible to lose.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Theres a mode where you have to destory Kwame's confidence
before you trade him for Caron Butler and Chucky Atkins.
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by Rex Grossman on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Any word on what the Celtics might be offering?
It sounds like Sheed’s retired ass (and contract of $6.3 million) could be offered that way for cap relief, but Portland doesn’t have very much expensive worthlessness to send back + Rudy…so that sounds unlikely.
The C’s have no 1st-round picks besides their own. If we’re just talking about the 3 options for 1st-rounders, protected Charlotte, the Bulls & the Celtics: the Charlotte pick has to look the most appealing to the Blazers.
Big Baby or Taj are possible entrants, but I don’t think it gets that far. Make it simple: Charlotte pick for Rudy.
ya know, I assumed they had a trade exception
but they don’t, only Sheed’s pseudo-expiring deal. Unless they want to trade Glen Davis (which I doubt).
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
After already losing Leon Powe last year
They’ll probably pass on giving up any more young bigs. J’Oneal and Garnett have no real future in the league past the 2012-2013 season.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
The C's can trade two of their recently signed second rounders
who are on ng deals, I think. Basically, that would be fine for the Blazers, cause they could just just cut them.
Basically, your pick of 2 out of (Sermih Erden, Orlando Laffayette, Tony Gaffney) going to the Blazers will let them send Rudy back. The Blazers could then cut them at no cost before the season starts, I believe.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Homerism at its finest but
I honestly believe that if the Bulls can somehow get Rudy, they’re instantly title contenders
so basically youre saying we're title contenders already
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They'd be one of the deepest teams in the league, for sure
But depth isn’t always enough
Esp in the finals
Cleveland would play LeBron 100 minutes/game if they could in the playoffs. Unfortunately, no one is willing to be cloned besides some british sheep.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh-heh. Sorry I didn't catch this response earlier
It’s Gold.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 31, 2010 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions
We're floatin'
We’re looking to upgrade horsepower to keep up with Miami’s Cigar boat.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
to me title contenders means youre in the lakers' league
i dont believe miami is
and i sure as hell dont think we are.
size matters
gasol/bynum/odom/ratliff is a heck of a front line.
ours cannot even compare as much as i love noah and as good as boozer is. gasol and bynum are far superior.
assuming derrick rose makes an amazing year 3 leap we can maybe hope that he can effectively cancel out a kobe but that front line is still too much for any team in the league as of now to handle in a 7 game series.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Size matters
That’s what she said!!!! haha
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
bynum is damaged goods though
who knows how well he bounces back. He’s the one guy I worry about, given his size.
Boston lost because Allen had an all-time sucks bad performance
If he made his usual FG% they would have won
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 29, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Same point, but substitute Kobe for Allen.
In Bayless I trust.
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by staylost on Jul 30, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kendrick Perkins would have been the X factor IMO
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 30, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lakers were 4th in defense last year, so are you saying they have a chance to repeat?
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
They definitely have a chance to repeat...
Is that even a question? They are the favorites unless Miami shows us otherwise
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Well... Asik kicked the Gasol brothers' asses in Euro play
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Rudy defending Wade is a very funny thought.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 29, 2010 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Rudy can't fail!
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 29, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nothing excites Bulls nation more than Kirk Hinrich and Rudy Fernandez..
I’ll never understand. Oh and the creator hates MJ. Just a strange world we live in as Bulls fans. But we’ll always have the Big Macs something we can all agree on. Because there is nothing like eating straight lard, it’s the best way to the heart attack..
by SoulEater7 on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
i bet mj didnt sign something for yfbb years ago when he asked for one
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 29, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, in that case
it’s more like Big Macs plus massive amounts of Heroin and Coacaine
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 29, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly...
And maybe that tight leotard he wore competing against Patrick Swayze.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RajNvJ3bCU
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The creator? Is YFBB your god? That explains a lot actually.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
C'mon. A little too immature even for this forum.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
How's that too immature?
Meh.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
'no ultimatum'...bullshit
they can either trade him or let him run away to spain for nothing. they have Roy and Matthews ahead of him…no way they don’t trade him. FO is smart for not buying this crap and offering everything right off the bat
Finally the NBA has a villain
Yea, but there are 28 other teams they can trade him to
We aren’t bidding against ourselves. We need to have a better package than the Knicks or Celtics (at least)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 29, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Bulls aren't too serious about Rudy
if so, they would have a better deal than just JJ……………..i think bulls management is fine with the players that they already have on the roster…………just need one more
i think they are serious
they were just low balling to see what would happen. they got a goose egg this time around. i wouldn’t be surprised to see another offer soon.
or…
i may be completely wrong. hahaha
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 29, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Lots of talk about Rudy coming in and starting over Brewer
But I think I’d prefer to see his scoring with the second unit. A line-up of Watson, Brewer, Korver, Taj, and Asik seems like it might have some big time problems putting points on the board.
Maybe start Brewer but play Rudy slightly more minutes?
Generally you dont have that many subs on at once
I think you usually have at least 2 starters on the floor at all times. Occassionally you will go with an all bench second unit if someone is hot. I think the Suns are the only ones who go with a unit like that most of the time,.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Really? I think that unit has plenty of scoring.
Watson and Korver are both serious 3PT threats, Brewer is a great cutter and finisher, Taj and Asik pound the glass.
Was rudy's gripe in Portland
his role? or was it his minutes. Id like to think it was more a gripe with minutes. Of brewer and rudy, one will start, and one will be 6th man..but i dont see there being a big reason to have a huge difference in minutes. Rudy can easily get more minutes at sg, while brewer can get more minutes in general by playing some sf.
Rose (38)/ watson (10)
Brewer(22) Rudy (24) Korver (2)
Deng (34) Brewer (8) Korver (6)
Boozer(32) Taj (15) Thomas (1)
Noah (35) Asik (10) Thomas 4
this isnt set in stone, but something like that…thats a damned good rotation
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I think that he was okay (but not ecstatic) with his minutes during the regular season
But then he wound up in McMillan’s doghouse during the playoffs, and that was kind of the last straw.
Pat Riley is the devil.
He started for injured Roy in the playoffs
And failed…looked like he didn’t even care. His gripe was the offense. He thinks he is a star and wants to create with the ball instead of catch and shoot. His favorite move is dribble side to side, spin, step back 5 feet pull up jumper.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 29, 2010 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls need him more as a shooter.
So he’ll likely be just as upset with his role here, regardless of his minutes is what I’m getting from this.
I’ve liked Rudy since the 2008 olympics and wanted him on the Bulls, but this is a big warning sign to me and strong indication he would not work on the Bulls. (Kinda still wanna take that chance, though… ;) )
They need someone else who can create their own shot too
Don’t want Rose to have to dominate the ball for 48 minutes
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Exactly.
If he earned a starting spot, he would be the third creator on offense. Actually, probably the second. Rose would be primary creator, Fernandez second. Rose and Boozer would be co-primary options, Fernandez would be third ahead of Deng then Noah.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd be willing to put Noah ahead of Deng as a creator
He has the handles and quickness to give most centers trouble off the drive and is such a good passer. Looking forward to see what Boozer and Noah can do together in high-low post game.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Well, I just listed the first 3 "creators", then listed a different set of "options".
That might be too… I don’t know, too parsing or something.
I’d consider a creator the guy who starts the play with the ball and the option the one who the play is run for. That might be the same possession, of course. If that makes any sense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He is a very gifted passer, but takes a lot of risks.
And can’t beat anybody off the dribble.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 30, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Except Kobe Bryant ala the Olypics, apparently.
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and he always misses it
Michael Jordan is the Nicolas Batum of America
marty>babbitt
by thomasikehara on Aug 2, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Minutes are hard to compute
Unless everyone is healthy and roles are already defined. It will end up looking nothing like this Relatively speaking.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Can we assume this is shitty reporting since a Johnson for Fernandez trade doesn't even work?
Or did I hear wrong and is ESPN trade Machine and Real GM Trade Checker wrong?
If that’s all the Bulls offered, then Ira Mandel must be on vacation.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Could Portland
Sign a player to the minimum and include him in the trade. Rudy+min guy for JJ + 1st rounder
I guess... would have to be a d-leaguer type though
because that d-leaguer would have to be willing to go to a verrrry deep bulls roster. I we snag Rudy, we’re 11 deep already NOT including james johnson. You probably don’t need to give many minutes to Asik the first year, but that means boozer and/or gibson is playing a lot of center. I think if we sign rudy, only a d-league big man would be willing to come to our team. was rob kurz signed?
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet Rod Benson would do it!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 29, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wicked Swag... or something
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Only if the player had ended the season with Portaland and the Blazers hadn't already renoucned his rights
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I'd just assume the Bulls are being turds and want the Blazers to throw in another guy
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
no, i'm pretty sure it actually doesn't work
jj makes more than 120% of what rudy does and since portland’s over the cap, they can’t absorb that.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
you didn't actually disagree with what he said
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
well it’s not that they’re just being turds i guess. the trade doesn’t actually work. ;)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
did not realize that
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it should be acknowledged.
Portland can’t do a straight Johnson for Fernandez trade so if the Bulls are doing that, they’re really, really stupid.
They likely aren’t. So, either the reporting is horrible or, like Sports2 suggests, the Bulls are trying to get the Blazers to throw in another player or something. I find the former more likely, but not by a lot.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, pretty lazy reporting I think
The offer should be the Bobcats first rounder for Rudy straight up. Can’t include JJ unless we get someone else back.
I think people forget
how athletic this guy is simply because he didn’t get minutes last year. Look at this highlight reel of his first year with Portland and tell me you can’t imagine him doing this with Rose at the point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3WSKgRf1xw
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
also look at who he dunks on at 3:01 mark
"Of all the things in the world losing isn't so bad; it just starts to feel like it does when you do it for so long"
I like Rudy
but he did get over 20mpg and he sucked when BRoy was down. So don’t make excuses for him
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 29, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
What?
simply because he didn’t get minutes last year
He played 2.4 minutes fewer per game last season than his rookie year…I think his sucky playoff performance is what stands out to most of us (who rarely get to watch Blazers games except when televised like the playoffs)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I was just going to post the same clip ha
I would love to see him and Rose run the break. My favorite play is where Rudy starts on the baseline and cuts hard to the hoop for a reverse alley oop dunk. Would have the UC going crazy.
His oops do indeed bring the house down
And he is always a threat to backdoor with the quarter clock running down.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 30, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank Christ YFBB Isn't In Charge Of Anything Important
First off, I’m sure there’s some inane stat somewhere that makes you believe Rudy is significantly better than Ronnie. But he’s not. Secondly, Taj is far more important to this team than any available 2 guard. Thankfully the Bulls are aware of this even if you can’t get over him beating out your man crush last year.
by xFIB on Jul 29, 2010 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
This guy should probably post more.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
well now you're just trolling
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
You troll the front office without fail
And if you’re going to bitch at me for trolling, I’d look at what Sports2 said above your post.
I believe xFIB’s points are valid, as I agree with him completely on the subject. I’ve posted a similar opinion throughout the Fernandez discussion. Why wouldn’t I think he should post more?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Might want to try fact checking xFIB's statements
against the statements yfBB actually made to see if they make any sense. His opinion of Rudy is more or less a fine argument…if it weren’t stated in a maximally douchey fashion.
oh, my mistake
I thought you were just back-slapping a post because it disagreed with me. I didn’t realize you were actually agreed with the dumb point itself.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
besides
if the Bulls do get Fernandez, you’ll hail it as a masterstroke, so we don’t need to fight.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we traded Taj for him, I obviously wouldn't be happy about it.
I like Brewer with Rose, it makes sense to have a long defense first SG with him, assuming Deng or Rose can hit a 3, and Korver isn’t useless. I just don’t see the need others do.
If we got him for Johnson, I wouldn’t complain of course, or draft picks that aren’t going to be good, but that’s just because I don’t think we’d be losing anything there.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Just a question. With the team as is...
What happens if Deng gets hurt?
Kyle Korver is the starter? Tons of minutes for CJ Watson at SG?
Why hasn’t this thought crossed your mind?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
At the same time...
If we get rid of Taj for Rudy, then what happens when Boozer gets injured (which he tends to)? Asik and Noah playing lots of minutes with Deng sprinkled in at the 4? Plus, Deng gets inured a ton too. I don’t really want Thomas playing lots of minutes, but if we get rid of Taj, either Asik or Thomas are going to need to play big minutes…we would have to sign a better backup 4.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What happens if an asteroid hits the UC?
Will we have D-League team replace the Bulls? Never thought about that huh?
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by J Theory on Jul 29, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Are you fucking high?
Did you even read YaoPau’s Post on Boozer. The odds of Boozer holding up over the years are not great. It’s not like I am saying what if Cal Ripken gets injured? I am picking a player who actually has some legit injury history. Try doing a little research before making a smartass comment. Or heck, use other people’s research. It’s not hard.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
by DRose01 on Jul 29, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Right. They need a better back up SG right now.
I think Fernandez >>> Gibson and
Ferandez + back-up big (Joe Smith, Louis Admundson, random d-leaguer)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
back-up small (Bogans, Mason, Jr., random d-leaguer) + Gibson
Gibson is the 3rd big right now, might be passed by Asik in a year or two, and never will have a chance to be a permanent starter for the Bulls. Fernandez would be the 3rd guard, might be better right away than Brewer, and could take over the starting spot at any time.
And all the hullabaloo about a back-up for is only relevant for this year, anyway. Next year, the Bulls will have the MLE, the BAE and still the vet minimum exceptions. They’ll be able to get a decent back-up PF. Guys like David West, Leon Powe, Chris Wilcox, Craig Smith, Troy Murphy, Kris Humpries, Nick Collison, Reggie Evans and Glen Davis might be available in just a year. There are some pretty decent “back-up PF” there.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
I was more just curious who you would go after. I definitely think that Gibson should be thrown in if need be, but I think that they should be careful and have a better backup option than KT.
Murphy of West signing for the MLE would be awesome next year if we made this trade!
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
If you are talking about overall
Gibson >>>>>>> Rudy.
If you are talking the occasional highlight reel clip, then Rudy >>>>>> Gibson.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 29, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
that scenerio
is alot better than jj or korver full time at sf…granted asik is unproven in the nba, but all scouting reports have him as a big man with a great motor, so he is big enough for a center, but agile enough to play pf, having him with noah isnt a bad combo at all just athleticism and size wise. And would Thomas still hanging around, i think the 3 of them would survive just….jj is not ready to start yet, and has yet to demonstrate any mastery or niche in one talent (maybe ball handling?) and korver is a shooter and nothing but. if deng or brewer go down, our team takes a major hit, while if boozer goes down, we can still tread along just fine with the bigs we have.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 29, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
If any teams best players get hurt they are in trouble.
You are screwed if Boozer gets hurt (just as likely, if not more so) if you trade Taj for Fernandez. Kurt Thomas at PF at this point in his career is not any better than Kyle Korver at SF.
I assume Brewer, Korver and Johnson get more minutes at the 3, and Watson more at the two in such a situation.
If we don’t trade for Fernandez, we’re still obviously going to add someone though, so it’s not like I can answer that question.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
And if they trade Gibson for Fernandez, they're obviously still going to add someone...
…but you feel you can answer that question. Definitively, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And like I said, there will be plenty of bigs available next year for the MLE, BAE or vet min exc.
I just don’t understanding obsessing about a single year’s what-if’s.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Next year Fernandez could be in Europe.
We’re not going to go to into a season with Kurt Thomas as our back up PF. If we traded Taj we would have to pick someone else up, so we’re no better off than we are now. We’re just creating one hole to fix another. It makes no sense.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
There are still decent bigs in free agency right now
but the best shooting guard available in free agency is roger mason i believe. Louis Amundson would be a great backup pf, hes a pretty okay post defender…
I think Rudy+Amundson > Taj +JJ
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 29, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
if you really want to put yourself into "contender" status
sometimes you have to roll the dice. there’s a realistic chance Rudy would be awesome alongside Rose. for that, a “hole” at backup PF when we just signed an elite one is something i could live with. if Boozer gets hurt and Taj is the starter, where are we headed anyways? and honestly, isn’t Taj’s value just about at it’s peak? still a few years left on a rookie deal after a very solid year. but how much better is he gonna get? the way i see it, his value may very well be at an all time high right now.
i know you’re an org defender, so if you think so highly of them, can’t they find a Taj replacement? don’t you have faith in them to do so? and if Asik is good and Rudy’s moved elsewhere, aren’t we all going to regret not pulling the trigger?
for once, i’d like to see the org take a gamble here. if it backfires, oh well, we tried and it doesn’t set us back all that much when we aren’t real title contenders to begin with.
and i say this not knowing Taj’s real value around the league. maybe i’m nuts, but i’d move him for a Xavier Henry package as well. Taj’s “safeness” doesn’t do as much for me as the upside of guys that could put us at “elite starting 5” do.
Preaching to the choir brother
Don’t want to give up Taj, but if it has to be done….it has to be done. Wade, Bron and Bosh are in Miami for a while so need some serious firepower that I don’t see Bogans or Mason providing. Thought T-Mac maybe could, but sounds like his workout wasn’t very good or the Bulls would have signed him even with his remarks. Next best option is Rudy. Hopefully we don’t have to give up Taj, but if we do, so be it and bring in the best quality backup big on the market.
All this talk
of Taj’s ceiling is odd. He just finished his rookie season and people think that’s all they are going to get? There are plenty of players who got better in their sophomore year. Last year the team didn’t have all the talent they now have signed. Teams doubled Rose and covered Noah hard. Now they have a lot more to worry about. I think with more talent, Taj will have a better year. That’s just my opinion so don’t burn me at the stake. heh
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 29, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Most 24 year olds don't really improve all that much. We've pretty much seen what Taj's going to be. It's pretty decent.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Most 24 year olds have been in the league longer than Taj
I haven’t done that much research on younger player improvement, and i would tend to think that older players come in and don’t improve as much with experience as younger players (because they’ve generally played more ball elsewhere), but generally speaking I think improvement is a function of experience and not age.
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by Sports2 on Jul 29, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not true
Let’s go back in Bulls history to a man by the name of Bob Love. He came into the league at age 24, put up PER numbers in the 10 to 11 range his first two seasons, then his PER numbers jumed to and stayed near 16 to 17 for sometime thereafter. His pts/36 min jumped from 15 early in his career to the low/mid 20’s. He went from a 6 ppg scorer to a 20ppg scorer. Much of this was a function of playing time, but the PER and per36 stats don’t lie. Love improved with experience.
I am not at all comparing Taj and Bob Love in a skills way, but he was a good example of a player who needed minutes and experience to improve. Plus, Taj certainly has room to grow. It’s not as if he had a 20 PER season last year and we expect improvements. He had a solid rookie campaign at 13.8 PER. Aside from a crappy last month, Taj made plenty of improvements within the season. If he is even just a bit more consistent, that alone will be a marked improvement.
I agree with Sports2, although I would amend the statement to be that improvement is a function of BOTH experience and age.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
The exception disproves "most"???
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No, but it is a singular example of what can happen
with time and experience. Besides, don’t most NBA players hit their prime approaching their late 20s? So why would Taj peak just because he is 24? Jump shots can be improved. Post games can be refined. It may be true that we have seen what kind of player he is going to be, but that does not mean that, with experience and hard work, he cannot improve on the skills he actually has.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 30, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, he will likely improve as he continues on towards his peak
His age, though, does put a limit on his perceived upside compared to other second year players. While it’s not impossible he develops into an All Star player, it is far from likely. Most All Stars show greater flashes of potential, flashes that get them drafted ages 18-20, than Taj has shown at age 24.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Agreed
His ceiling is probably starting PF on a middling team but quality backup to contenders. He did start plenty of games for the Bulls last year. But the odds are heavily against him being a star.
He is so darn likeable though…
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 30, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That's probably fair (Experience and age)
I went looking at a few other guys that sort of remind me of PJ and I was actually really surprised that all of them started late too.
Antonio Davis was 25, and PJ Brown and Chris Gatling were both 24 in their first year. Each of them had extremely productive careers and definitely improved from their initial showings.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Except one is a definite back-up and one isn't.
You just don’t make sense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Fernandez has been a definite back up in his career...
You just don’t make sense. So the guy has had some highlight plays and can hit a 3. Plenty of guys in the league can do that.
He’s just not that great, if he was, he’d already be starting for someone and not talking about how he wants to go back to Spain. He’s clearly been available.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
If the situations were reversed, you'd be saying the exact same thing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yes.. that they are both back ups.
Taj isn’t great, either is Fernandez. We have a back up combo guard in Watson. We have Kurt Thomas if Taj leaves, that’s not good. I don’t think it will be hard to find a back up wing 10th man type. I don’t see the point of trading our reliable, young back up big man for one who is already complaining about minutes.
I also think Taj will be here longer, and with Boozer and Noah’s previous injuries, our back up big man will be more important for this year’s success.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, CJ Watson playing 25-30 mpg isn't the worst thing in the world.
Pat Riley is the devil.
ask Christ for help with your comprehension
That scenario is why I’m not as easy to give up Taj Gibson in a deal, but a future first-rounder should be definite.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I enjoy your complete failure at reading comprehension.
Or he could continue the downward trend he began last season and sulk back to Europe after a year. That scenario is why I’m not as easy to give up Taj Gibson in a deal, but a future first-rounder should be definite.
OH MY GOD YFBB TOTALLY WANTS TO TRADE TAJ GIBSON LOOK AT THAT PHRASING.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
See I dont think it was a lack of reading comprehension
It’s just so much easier to win arguments if you’re actually the one controlling both sides of what gets said. This only works because other people lack reading comprehension and/or are predisposed to laziness and arguing with the person you’re projecting your argument on. In this case it worked on a number of people.
So your argument is that Grinder in Training is dishonest and mean rather than merely dumb
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by Sports2 on Jul 29, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
No, they didnt make the first post.
They just endorsed it.
No, they didnt make the first post.
They just endorsed it. Guess that makes them the victim here.
Well
this was all in reply to xFIB way up there. Grinder just took xFIB’s misreading of the yfBB and ran with it.
In reality tho, explaining as much as possible with stupidity is usually best. I was just trying to make fun of the compounding nature of people’s lack of reading comprehension. Which I guess we’ve done further by me not writing clearly enough…and an assist to the difficulty of following the threading on SB nation.
by reprisal on Jul 29, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blazers Edge sez:
Even with improved defense, rebounding, and a better sense of his place in the game Rudy is no better than average in any of those areas, and that’s probably charitable. Rudy will live or die in this league based on the offense he’s able to generate. Most of those numbers went into free fall this year
Rudy’s future with the Blazers has always depended on him being able to play multiple positions in multiple situations. In limited minutes at the small forward and point guard positions Rudy was thoroughly outplayed by his counterparts, leaving shooting guard as his only productive position. This was true last year as well. The Blazers are still waiting for progress on this front.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Those quotes don't make much sense to me
First, the guy is is a shooting guard. He’s like 6’5 and 190. We don’t, and shouldn’t expect most players to suddenly be transformed into a multi-position player, and the Blazers were foolish they thought this way.
They should have seen this a year ago, realized they’ve got a better SG, and traded him.
Likewise, a SG who’s average at defense and rebounding, and a good scorer sounds pretty good. These guys are down on him because they’ve got absurd expectations. If the bottom line is that he’s a productive shooting guard, well, there are lots of teams that could use one of those.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Right.
Fernandez would virtually never be asked to play SF. The Bulls have Deng, Korver and Brewer (who’s nearly 6’7", 220, 6’11.25" wingspan and a 41" max vert) to play ahead of him. I could definitely see Fernandez and Korver on the court together, causing defensive problems for the Bulls and confused positioning, but that would be a rare and strictly offensive move.
And yeah, even if it wasn’t the King’s ransom they wanted, they could have got a lot more for him last year.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I don't think you suffer too much defensively with Korver on the court
But with both of them, yes, trouble could be on the horizon. Hopefully the French Coach (guessing his roots by the name) and Spanish guard don’t clash.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Well...
… yeah, I would only see both out there intentionally for more than a minute or two because the Bulls are far behind and need to bomb away.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I dont know about that
I think they were being very charitable in saying that he’s average at defense and rebounding.
I wouldn’t call him a good scorer either:
According to 82games.com, 10% of his shots were considered “close” to the basket (compared to Hinrich’s 14%).
So we shouldn’t really expect him get to the rim.
He also shot the ball worse than Hinrich did last year. I use Hinrich as a comparison because, on the offensive side of the ball, he looked like one of the worst starting shooting guards in the NBA. If we’re going to look at giving a guy significant minutes as a SG here, shouldn’t the idea be to get at least a little better than Hinrich, instead of a little worse?
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 29, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's also a motivation player
What i mean is, I think there is a reason he played so poorly this past season outisde of the “general decline” argument. I don’t see many disagreeing with this point. Most Euros get better in their second year. Fernandez almost dropped of the cliff. He obviously needs to be happy with his role. As a SG and creator for boozer, noah, rose, and deng… I think he provides dynamic offense. He spreads the floor, too, and we have to natural 2-guard that can do that. Watson is a combo guard and Korver, in my opinion, has always fit better as a SF. He is too slow to guard most SGs even through team defense but his length helps him out against SFs. He’s not ridiculously slow, and he’s smart, so he works best as the bigger wing player.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 29, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He didnt shoot the ball worse then Hinrich last year
he was considerably more efficient
Rudy TS%: .540 eFG: .494
Kirk TS%: .501 eFG .478
Both were better the year before. But Kirk has had 2 worse years than last in terms of shooting. Rudy’s rookie season he shot better then any of Kirk’s seasons.
I could see a fresh start helping him a lot. I think his biggest issue, more than minutes, is his relationship with Nate McMillan. Now why that relationship got so bad is the real question I suppose.
just like any other statistic, Hollinger stats cant be looked at in a vacuum
I personally wouldn’t use TS% when talking about either Hinrich or Rudy because TS% takes free throw attempts into account.
Rudy took less than 100 free throws last season and Hinrich didn’t take a whole lot more, so I would say that both of their TS% are inflated (just moreso with Rudy). I don’t think that’s such a wild assertion when you consider that Rudy’s TS% is well over 50% while both his FG% and 3pt FG% are both below 40%.
For comparison’s sake, Dwyane Wade’s TS% is .562, a mere 2 percentage points above Rudy’s. However, Rudy Fernandez is nowhere near as effective or efficient as Dwyane Wade with the ball in his hands, so what exactly does TS% tell you?
by darksmokepuncher on Jul 29, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Whose looking at them in a vacuum?
Wade’s TS% last year was .022 better. Even if it were the same, the thing that makes Wade more effective is his usage rate 34.9%. This magnifies the impact of his extra efficiency. It is also harder to maintain efficiency as usage or attempts increase. Which is why its meaningful to look at eFG – compared to Hinrich, Rudy shot a similar raw % on 3s at 2.5 more attempts per game. Hinrich took more 2 point field goals, which were worse attempts. Hinrich’s usage was 16.6, Rudy’s was 17.7 – making these comparison’s much more reasonable than Wade. As a side note Wade’s ability to create for others is a large part of what makes him more effective, which has nothing to do with shooting, which is the topic we were discussing. Oh and he is better at rebounding and defense too.
Further more why would you not look at free throw rate? You mentioned Hinrich has an advantage because he takes more shots close to the rim. One of the main things you’d hope to get out of that is more free throws. However if that doesnt translate to more free throws attempts(or more made free throws, since Rudy shot much better from the stripe last year), or some how make up the efficiency then its not clear how useful that is.
All of that seems a lot more interesting and informative to me, then simply looking at raw field goal % and calling it a day.
by reprisal on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy was pretty much a pure 2guard from the beginning
i always thought it was Roy who was suppose to be playing multiple positions. In fact, since they signed Wes Matthews, I’m pretty sure of it.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, Roy used to be able to play SF.
But he has slimmed down a lot and can’t do it as well anymore.
Matthews is just a bench guy, but we hope he can fill in for Roy or Batum whenever they rest. So he is the two position guy we’ve got.
In Bayless I trust.
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hey there - blazer fan here.
1) yeah I disagree with the comments from Blazersedge. Just baffling expectations to think that a guy with unexceptional handles and unremarkable vision/passing and a paper thin frame could either move up or down to PG or SF.
2) The main difference between 08-09 and 09-10 wasn’t all this psychological b.s. about roles, resentment, whatever. Rudy can’t create his own shot. He has to have shots created for him, both 3 pointers and especially close in shots. He just doesn’t have the handles to penetrate, so his close in shots in 08-09 (25% of his attempts) were all created by his point guards, and those opportunities dried up in 09-10 (only 5% of his attempts were close shots).
In 08-09, he played a lot of minutes with point guards (rodriguez and blake) who looked for him and got him good looks. In 09-10, he played a lot of minutes with point guards (bayless and miller) who mostly looked for their own shots. He didn’t get open looks, so he started pressing and trying to create his own shots, not a strength for him.
3) defensively he’s better than korver, worse than brewer. He tries but he’s paper thin and can only really defend quicker/smaller SGs. Bigger guys can cause him serious problems. Still, if I were Tibs, I’d try to work my magic with Rudy and start him over Brewer— hell, I never thought I’d see the day when Ray Allen was a valuable defensive contributor to the best defensive team in the league.
by howlingfantods on Aug 2, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy would be good addition to Bulls
Rudy Fenandez can improve just like JJ Redick improved after being in the league for four years. Coming into the NBA, Redick was also unhappy with playing time and was thought to be just a undersized 3pt shooter who couldn’t play defense. After some years in the NBA, Redick improved his offense as well as his defense and is now considered as someone that should start over Vince Carter. Rudy at 6’6 can improve too and he’s only been in the league 2 years and is more athletically gifted/talented than Redick. Definately would trade first round picks for this guy .
Fernandez was injured by a nerve in his back.
Why are we so quick to point that out for Rose, but not for other players? (that’s rhetorical)
Portland Trail Blazers forward Rudy Fernandez will miss four to six weeks after undergoing a microdiscectomy Tuesday to relieve pressure on a nerve in his back.
The pressure on his nerve was causing Fernandez pain in his right leg.
“We can now turn our attention to getting Rudy healthy and back on the court,” said Blazers General Manager Kevin Pritchard in a news release. “He’s been under a lot of pain and we look forward to Rudy returning healthier than ever.”
http://www.kptv.com/sports/21900058/detail.html
I wonder why B’edgers never mention this either.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 29, 2010 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
no...
just that there might be alternative explanations for why he struggled so much
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Damn it. I need to eat something.
Kevin Pritchard. Didn’t check the date. I thought this was recent. Now I feel stupid.
yeah because no one ever brings up Deng or Noah's injuries
Why are we so quick to point that out for Rose, but not for other players?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not my point.
When people want to say how great Rose is, they say, “Yeah, but if you take out the injuries…” blah blah blah. I don’t like doing that. This pain was obviously bothering Fernandez, and it likely lingered. I’m just surprised no one has mentioned it all.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think Blazers fans turned on Rudy when it became obvious he wanted out
I would go to BEdge during the playoffs and there would be all kinds of guys making excuses for him. I think he was obviously hurting during the middle part of the season – I don’t know about the playoffs. But once he said he wanted out, Blazer fans started turning on him really quickly.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I mean, you still have to judge production on the court, but clearly Rose was a different player after the injury got better, so there is no reason to think Rudy couldn’t do the same.
"Mental toughness is to physical as four is to one." - Bob Knight
Old injury news from 12/8/2009
Rudy is healthy now.
Right, but why not mention that might have influenced his worse play and sour attitude.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Hey no worries. You know what could actually happen...
Maybe James Johnson could actually be umm…Good. He’s going to have a real coach actually coaching him, perhaps he’s going to be used with the second unit where he can become a dependent ball handler and get us into sets. Maybe Thibs can use him in certain rotations at PF when he wants to get out and run. I don’t know. I’m reaching but there were actual stretches last year where JJ played in place of Deng where I like some of the things he brought to the table.
If JJ can somehow make a leap
that would be amazing.
Key words being IF and SOMEHOW
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 29, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Rudy Fernandez is Captain Kirk in Spanish
better shot and much cheaper!!! What’s the hold up?
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by tony412 on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rudy Fernandez is a poor man's JJ reddick...
But I’m not sure what would have been better…
1. JJ and another player
or
2. Brewer and Fernandez??
I’m actually starting to think it’s the 2nd option
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT reply actions
let me clarify...
poor mans reddick when it comes to 3pt shooting
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 29, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Brewer and Rudy > JJ and another player
IMO, Rudy has more upside, than JJ and Brewer.
Sam Smith
I’ve heard the Bulls have a pretty good shot, but nothing matters until it’s done.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 29, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
No more House?
So that leaves Mason and Bogans as FAs, and Rudy as a trade option. Mason is better than House anyways.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 29, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
that is the perfect team for House
shit. Still, I’m glad he isn’t a Bull. I don’t think he works here.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 29, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Good, now everyone can go back to hating House again.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 29, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
wow justed watched some highlights on rudy and he looks better then reddick!!!
he looks impressive, was unaware he could finish that well. I really hope we get him. now that would be a great signing another three pt shooter who can finish strong with korver.
this is what we need we get this our team is complete!!!!
I really didn’t want t-mac at all he looked old and fat, glad to see the bulls realized that too.
highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtHbrhCZ2fw
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 29, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
He's not a very good finisher...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47VLce11WDM
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
shit I don't know about that...
he was slamin some nice alley-oop home. I never seen hinrich do that. he would help us alot
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 29, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic.
He was dunking over Dwight Howard in the close 4th quarter of the Olympic Gold Medal game. He had 22 points in an 11 point loss on 7 of 13 shooting and 5 of 9 from three.
People say he fails in the clutch. P’shaw. Everyone has bad stretches.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Speaking of, in 2012...
Rubio
Fernandez
Gasol
Gasol
that’s a decent start to damned good lineup.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
rudy fernandez is much better than reddick. fernandez is an international player, plays that game. alot of athleticism but crafty to make his own shot
reddick is just a shooter
You're wrong
Very very wrong.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Then why was Redick so much better
than Rudy on 2 pointers? I mean they are near even in 3s, but Redick was 5% better overall. Plus Redick got to the line twice as much in the same minutes. Rudy sounds like “just a shooter” to me.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 29, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
Rudy takes so many more jumpers than Redick does, yet Redick’s the one who gets labeled “just a shooter.”
Pat Riley is the devil.
To be fair....
…cuz why not, everyone, even Nate McMillan says it’s not Rudy’s choice. That’s what McMillan admittedly uses him for. He says that works for him, but not for Fernandez. Or something like that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It'd be interesting to see what the numbers would be for Rudy from the Euroleague, if such info were available.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Just go to draftexpress.com
but here is the direct link:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rudy-Fernandez-22/stats/
by nikolokolus on Jul 30, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Stats say:
Rudy Fernandez shoots a lot of threes.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
That doesn't tell me how often Rudy took shots at the rim in Euroleague versus shooting jumpers.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Aug 2, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Given that he has more 3PA than 2PA,
I’m guessing he took less than half his shots at the rim.
The stats aren’t exact, it’s true. :P
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I over the Rudy love
and Im cool with our team as it is. Lets play the 1st half of the season and if we suck, shop taj for rudy/xavier or anybody we need for a boost
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
I'm not going to be crushed if we don't get Rudy, I don't think he makes THAT much of a difference
but I’d put a future 1st, a future 2nd and James Johnson on the table and tell the Blazers they can take whatever they want of those three choices in exchange for Rudy.
I will, however, be sort of pissed if I find out we offered them Jimmy Johns and nothing else.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 29, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
that trade doesn't work anyway
since jj makes too much more than rudy. i don’t know why we just wouldn’t offer them a pick and absorb his salary or something, since we have the room to do so.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
JJ + Pick is cool
its basically a wash on both side and Rudy prob has more potential. He’s still scrawny for a 2 imo
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It's easy to become greedy once you sort of get what you hoped to get.
The Bulls are pretty much one guy away from filling the roster, if it han’t been filled already. What I am saying is that it seems that they haven’t put a wrong foot down this offseason and you can say we were already rocking and rolling with the Boozer/Korver signings. I will stand by my predictions that the most important thing for the Bulls in the next 3-5 years will be health. If we can stay healthy, we will be fighting for several rings in the next 3-5 years (and hopefully more). Sure the east was weak last season, but we easily could have grabbed the 5th spot for the playoffs had it not been for the massive injury problems. Now we have a quality coach and leader, and a guy that understands the game, three rising stars in Noah, Rose and GIbson, shooter in Korver, big bruisers like Boozer and Thomas, a quality center in Asik, Ronnie Brewer, etc. What more could we want (apart from the Three Stooges)? I’d say we won big this offseason!
I almost think
signing Rudy would be too much…
We are already bringing in a new core of players…lets let them develop a team.
Brewer needs to have the confidence to take over as the starting SG of a team that hopes to contend. What would adding a SG to compete for his spot do to him? Or make him think of the bulls confidence in him.
I agree. Start the season out, if things dont work, then trade, we’ve already brought in the pieces needed.
I don't want no pansies on this team!!!
Brewer already has been the SG on a team that’s been better than the Bulls for the past 12 years.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Thanks.
Seems like JJ+ a 1st rounder is worth it. He’s a high risk, high reward guy. JJ is a low risk, low reward IMHO. For a bench player, I think as long as they don’t have locker room issues (which Rudy arguably has), the former type is better.
It's just going to be a first. Adding JJ to the deal screws up the financials of it.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably, but the Bobcats first should be enough.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 29, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy is not a better player than Brewer
If he were, why the frakk did portland sign Andre Miller and Mathews?
And if you don’t think Rudy is better suited to play the point, rather than get abused by 2 guards all season long, you don’t know basketball.
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If you think Rudy can play point guard, then you don't know basketball either.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blazers fan here with my two bits.
Rudy is a classic shooting guard, and by classic I don’t mean just size, but also the way he plays — he absolutely needs a distributing point guard to set him up, and if you run him off screens and his teammates look for him he can really kill an opponent with his long ball. If you want Rudy to be a “put the ball on the floor and drive” kind of player you are going to be pretty underwhelmed. He doesn’t have a great first step, he can’t dribble much with his left hand and he’s slight enough of build that he doesn’t absorb contact especially well.
Is Rudy as bad as his stats suggested he was last year? I don’t know. But I do know that he really hated playing in Nate McMillan’s grind it out, half court offense, given a new environment and more latitude to take chances and play “carefree” he could probably be a very good starting shooting guard, but he’s always likely to have a couple of deficiencies: ball-handling, finishing through contract, and man-to-man defense.
eh, I thought his passing and dribble drive game, worked real well for the Spanish team
When he was coming over he was touted as the Spanish Magic Johnson, was he not? A flashy playmaker?
But I’ll concede, since you have seen him play more than me. I’m just trying to tone down this preposterous hype, like we HAVE to get him!!
Maybe outside of Portland’s system, he could play better.
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He's never, ever b
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
damn.
He’s never been compared to Magic Johnson, that’s just ludicrous. The best player he’s been compared to is Manu Ginobili, people called him the Spanish Kobe Bryant because of the highlight plays.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 29, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
"Maybe outside of Portland’s system, he could play better."
For sure.
He really does suck at dribble drive though.
by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 30, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Most Jazz fans believe Matthews is better than Brewer.
Furthermore, Rudy has played about 20 minutes of point guard in his NBA career. He is a pure shooting guard. In the past couple years, he’s gotten playing time by playing shooting guard with Roy moving over to small forward.
Seriously, just give them the Bobcats pick.
I want this guy on the fucking Bulls.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Rumored offers from Boston and New York
Here are the latest with Boston and New York.
Cho has backed off to say he is not in any hurry to trade Rudy. Basically Cho is waiting to see if Boston or NY Knicks will change their offers.
Boston
Boston isn’t sure they are willing to give up two 1st round picks as they are countering with a 1st & 2nd round picks. Basically Boston is getting two good role players in Rudy Fernandez and Joel Przybilla.
The problem for Boston is they haven’t found any better free agents or better players from other teams willing to take back Rasheed Wallace contract for an exception. With Kendrick Perkins out 6-7 months with a torn ACL, the Celtics need a center and Joel would fix that problem.
Here is the “rumored” offer by Portland:
$8.65M – Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla and Portland 2011 2nd to Boston
$7.08M – Rasheed Wallace, Tony Gaffney, 2011 & 2013 1st round picks (both picks lottery protected over several years) to Portland
New York
Right now the offer is less thrilling as NY offers a 1st round pick in 2014 and Toney Douglas. Portland wants Anthony Randolph and New York is thinking about it, but hasn’t approved any deals yet.
Update.
All credit goes to Discovery69 from the Clubblazers forum.
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Messed up the block quote there. It should be the opposite of what I did
Also, I notice the Celtics signed Von Wafer and the Knicks have made an offer to Shannon Brown.
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Seems like a pretty solid deal for Boston
although I can understand why they’d hesitate to give up their 2013 pick as they could be in for a few rough years around that time depending on how things go.
I would still do that though because there window is closing and they need to make another "all-in" push.
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On the other hand....
…if Fernandez proves to be a viable starter and they can sign Przybilla long-term as a back-up (or another 3 years), Rondo, Rudy, Perkins, Przy isn’t horrible.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Pryz and Perk are pretty duplicative. They don't fit very well together on offense, at all.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I mostly meant Przy as a back-up to Perkins.
They’d still have holes at 3 and 4. But it’s a nice four and a good defensive middle
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It would be hilarious if they did that trade, and then Sheed changed his mind and decided to unretire
How horrified would Blazers fans be? It would be like stumbling into a crazy ex on the streets, just when you’ve finally started to forget about the relationship.
by Big D on Jul 30, 2010 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sheed is one hell of an ex
Like Brad Pitt tryin’ to get rid of an angry Angelia Jolie (If you flag me, it’s for my own good).
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's expected to retire as soon as a trade goes through or the season begins.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
they can play it like those random baseball signings so players can retire
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 30, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
That Boston offer is strange. Joel is an insurance covered expiring contract that may still be able to play at Noah's level.
Sheed is just some cash off the books. Paul Allen doesn’t make moves just to cut immediate costs without some end goal of improving the team. Sheed doesn’t match that need.
Those 1st round picks may be nice, but I don’t think they really get the Blazers going. We want to contend now, not develop late draft picks.
I’d like for my Blazers to flip Randolph in a quickly following 2nd trade if we can get him. That seems like silly talk though.
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It's not so strange when you consider what Portland wants to do with Sheed.
Discovery69 (the reputable source from clubblazers.com) has heard that the Blazers are working on a deal to send Sheed (and the immediate cash savings he’d represent when he retires) along with Dante Cunningham and Jerryd Bayless to the Hornets for Darren Collison and James Posey, which finally gets the Blazers a point guard they can groom for the future when Andre Miller finally falls off of a cliff.
by nikolokolus on Jul 30, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Not Sold On Brewer
If there are no more significant transactions besides signing a couple of bit players, the following shooting gaurds may become available come the trading deadline.
Andre Igoudala, Philadelphia
Richard Hamilton, Detroit
O.J. Mayo, Memphis
Jason Richardson, Phoenix
O.J. Mayo is an interesting scenario, with new additions Xavier Henry and Tony Allen and a team built around Rudy Gay and Zach Randolph, Memphis might not think that Mayo is in their long term future; especially after re-signing Gay for 82 mil over 5 yrs. IMO, Mayo would be the ideal multi-talented shooting gaurd with range that the Bulls are looking for to play alongside D. Rose. Thoughts?
Duh you take Mayo
If you can get him. The problem is, Mayo could come at a very steep price. Still, if you can get him, that’s great because you would have a great, young, offensive minded backcourt.
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Trade Update from 7/31/10:
There are rumors that the Bulls could trade Taj Gibson to the Trail Blazers for Rudy Fernandez.
“From what I’ve heard it’s in Portland’s hands now for what they want,” writes Sam Smith for Bulls.com. “I’ve heard the Bulls have a pretty good shot, but nothing matters until it’s done.” Rudy would be a nice fit in Chicago’s second unit, where he could get the larger role he has been pining for.
He'd be an even better fit in the starting lineup
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by snley on Aug 1, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
if you are trading taj gibson for him its because you think he has the ability to be a starter on this team. If the Bulls do trade Taj though, I’d like to see them get Pendergraph or Cunningham and than sign Lou Amundsen
by Basketball Smurf on Aug 1, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
well, you didn't link
and that quote doesn’t actually cite Taj. We all know even if it is true, it’s not coming from Sam Smith, he’d be too busy weeping.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 1, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
Sam Smith says that he doesn’t want the bulls to trade Taj for Rudy and also stated that he had no information and hasn’t heard anything about portland wanting Taj…………so, i don’t know where people are getting all these rumors from
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had it on their since saturday
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I can't see Rudy wanting to go to a team and coming off
the bench again. He wants playing time. He would probably fit the Cavs who would probably make him a starter.
I'm pretty sure he's going to get the minutes.
His spat with the Blazers about minutes is known. That’s why he’s asking to be traded in the first place. The Bulls aren’t going to pursue him if they aren’t going to give him minutes. Plus the line-up isn’t exactly iron man material. If the Bulls somehow lose Deng for a couple or a handful of games you’re going to want Brewer to move to SF and have Rudy play SG.
Right....
A Fernandez – Brewer SG/SF lineup is a lot better to me than a Brewer – Korver SG/SF combo.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It boils down to who you think is better...Fernandez or Korver?
Even if a Fernandez/Brewer or Korver/Brewer combination isn’t as “elite” as you would hope for I’d take that over seeing James Johnson in a starting line-up. If it’s only a slight difference in being better, I’ll take it.
I pretty much agree, and I'm willing to go after Rudy for the right price. but I was looking, and...
… what do you make of Korver’s generally good APM numbers compared to Brewer and Rudy?
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Seems to fit
with my/the general perception that Korver was a guy whose talents were maximized by Jerry Sloan where as Rudy hasnt yet played up to his potential in Nate McMillan’s system. Perhaps also gives some credence to some of the reports that Korver’s team defense is solid enough that he isnt hurting you as much as it seems like he would.
from basketballvalue.com...
…that Portland had something weird was going on. Andre Miller was off the charts and Roy and Aldridge were ngative on 1-year APM. Cmpare those to the year previous. I am curious to know what was so screwy there, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Could be that there were enough injuries to cause enough screwy lineups that really messed up the predictions
Regressions like APM fit the best curve they can given the data they’re given, but one season really isn’t enough data to get a good read, especially given a strange set of data.
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I agree.
That’s why I’m saying that I don’t generally make much of it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
you have a borderline all star at PF position.
Your SG position needs more options. Ronnie brewer cannot shoot 3s for crap.
A backcourt which cannot shoot 3s for shit will make Boozer’s life miserable. Yeah you have korver who can shoot 3s but Rudy brings a lot more to his game which makes him deserve a starting spot. Rudy had a bad year last year due to his nagging back problems but he still shot 1.6 3s per game at 37%.
Rudy has great basketball IQ, he just lost confidence last year. He just needs a healthy year and coach’s confidence to prove his worth. If you compare the 08-09 seasons where they both played 78 games and almost same number of minutes, Rudy shot a full 2 threepters a game at 40% with his overall shooting % still being close to Korver’s. Rudy has had great effect in games where he just swings it in your favor and gets the crowd going.
Plus did I mention only 1.2 million?
Your PF is too solid for Taj to come in and be any more productive than boozers 35 mins a game will already be
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Per NBA.COM:
There are rumors that the Bulls could trade Taj Gibson to the Trail Blazers for Rudy Fernandez.
“From what I’ve heard it’s in Portland’s hands now for what they want,” writes Sam Smith for Bulls.com. “I’ve heard the Bulls have a pretty good shot, but nothing matters until it’s done.” Rudy would be a nice fit in Chicago’s second unit, where he could get the larger role he has been pining for. Jul. 31 – 3:07 pm et
Source: NBA.com
Taj Gibson played 82 games his rookie year and started 70 of them, averaging 9.0 ppg, 7.5 rpg, only 1.4 turnovers per game, 1.3 blocks per game, but he is NOT a 3 point shooter. His field goal shooting percentage is 49%. He shoots a dismal 64% at the free throw line. He is 6’9" and 225. As a forward, I could see him playing a good back up to LaMarcus Aldridge. Gibson was voted to the All-Rookie team. He had 15 rebounds in one game, and a few double doubles. He has had a foot issue.
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Trade Hits Snag
Rumor has Blazers having difficulty moving Rudy Fernandez. Blazers are overvaluing Rudy’s worth. IMO, Taj Gibson for Rudy Fernandez is a lopsided trade in favor of Blazers. You know what your going to get from Taj for years to come where with Rudy although there is alot of potential Rudy might not be interested in playing in the NBA long term and maybe dissatisfied with his role with any NBA team. Taj will work hard and do whatever a NBA team wants him to do with no questions asked. I think a first round pick with or without James Johnson is what Rudy is worth.
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