Moving on from McGrady to cheap shooters
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 11:14 PM CDT
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The Bulls interest in Tracy McGrady seemingly went out with a whimper. Apparently the workout was only 'meh', and the Bulls weren't convinced he would defer into a reduced role. KC has been tweeting all day saying it's over, and Sam Smith produced this video on the official Bulls website promoted by the official Bulls twitter basically saying it's not happening, partly due to T-Mac's attitude.
That's fine, if he didn't wow the team and still appears delusional as to his ability to contribute, it's more potential trouble than he's worth. If the favor was to get the league buzzing about McGrady again, that's sortof been accomplished.
Onward and upward (or sideways, I guess) to other guards: ESPNChicago is reporting that the Bulls are in talks with the representatives of Eddie House, Roger Mason, and Keith Bogans. All likely to be of similar cost and value, a quick rundown of each (and my own recollection) shows House as the shooter, Mason the ballhandler/passer, and Bogans the defender.
(Also interesting to note that another comparable (yet younger...and maybe a bit better) player, Sasha Vujacic, is reportedly being offered with a 1st round pick so the Lakers can save some on their luxury tax bills. The exact deal Sham had brainstormed 2 weeks ago...but one the Bulls no longer have the cap space for. A shame.)
And then there's the dark horse, Rudy Fernandez. I'm guessing the way this is going is the Bulls offering James Johnson and a first rounder, the Blazers saying no and asking for Taj Gibson instead, and the Bulls saying no.
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Let's sign Eddie House and win a championship.
"Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team." -Scottie Pippen
by owenjs on Jul 27, 2010 11:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
im appauled that this thread has no mention of the blockbuster signing in the bay area today
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
oh i meant for the front page thread of the night you wouldve thought it would be headlined by that miracle
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Who's paul?
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Just grammar nazi-ing it up
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 28, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im all for Fernandez but not to the point they give up Taj. There is just no way we give him away.
by BULLysh on Jul 27, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
imo if they ask for taj lets ask for oden/camby/pryzbilla
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
ehh not so sure about pryzbilla
usually the eastern european big guy we get from the blazers doesn’t pan out so well…(see victor)
by AbhiD on Jul 27, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eastern European?
The guy’s from Minnesota.
"this is portland…every little thing is blown out of proportion here" - Philthyanimal
by GustyJ on Jul 28, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
That's rich seeing that Noah is really similar to Joel.
In Bayless I trust.
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very similar...
seeing that Joel in 10 years in the league has never averaged more than 6.4 points and 8.4 rebounds and Noah has surpassed both marks in year 3? all i’m saying is that though Pryzbilla is a serviceable big man, he’s not worth Taj and i’m perfectly fine with Kurt Thomas as a backup, yea I fucked up up there but I just think whoever brought up giving taj for rudy and oden/camby/pryzbilla only got it right on the first 2…
Sure Noah is more athletic than Joel, but not as good of a straight up post defender.
They aren’t exactly the same of course. But Joel has made the Blazers one of the top rebounding teams in the league. And stat/game is pretty old school. Joel has been one of the top rebounders in the league for a while adjusting for available rebounds per possession.
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one of the top rebounding teams in the league?
the blazers were 27th in the league in total rebounds last season.
When he was injured...
So thanks for proving my point!
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I want Rudy
But Johnson AND a first rounder? That seems like a steep price.
Indeed
I’m a Blazers fan and even I’ll admit that this is not a good deal for the Bulls. A Johnson for Rudy swap straight across would be fair, but it doesn’t work because the salaries aren’t close enough, so another Blazers player would have to be included, and then I’m not so sure the Blazers want to give up multiple players for just James Johnson.
by nikolokolus on Jul 28, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Eddie House just seems like the safe pick for me
He may only do one thing, but he does it very well. 39% from 3 is real good, but since the 05-06 season he has been over 40%. And as the 12th guy signed it is not as if he will be expected to do much more than shoot.
He’s a veteran guy that I am sure, if push came to shove, he could at least bring the ball up the court an initiate the offense. Aside from that, let him run around the perimeter and hit those momentum changing 3 point shots.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 27, 2010 11:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
as much as I hate House and his socks...
I suppose it wouldn’t be so bad to have another guy come in and hit some 3’s…korver is our only legitimate 3 point shooter as of now…
i think watson is reliable enough
we are never going to put out a lineup with house and korver at the same time anyways because that lineup would just be horrible defensively.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
thing about watson..
he seems more of a rose kinda of guy, midrange, slasher and such…he did take almost 150 3’s last year- so he can take them…but we really need another shooting swingman…between bogans, mason, and house, i’d probably take Mason. I’ve watched quite a bit of spurs games and he is a better shooter than Bogans and not to less of a defender…
imo if we're down to only those 3 id take bogans
bogans plays the 2 and 3 and thats where i think we need the most insurance.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
honestly...
i’d be happy with either at this point, we know exactly what we’re going to get with those two…not much upside, but solid defense/shooting
Wait, don't we have a "no high socks" rule?
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 28, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmao
I wouldn’t doubt it……………it seems like the bulls are the only team that have these stupid, lame ass rules………maybe that was part of the reason Lebron didn’t come to the bulls because of the no head ban rule and the other reason was because the bulls wouldn’t give him power and control like he had in Cleveland
house is the worst on the market for us imo
hes way too short and basically duplicates watson.
so essentally youd be putting out free poitns for the opposing backcourts if you had any combination of rose/house/watson during some stretches each game
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
I would not imagine that combination of guys being on the court together
Unless it is with a minute to play and they need the big 3 point shot. House averaged 17 minutes a game for his career. He won’t be in there to play D or create. In the very least he can shoot better than the other guys listed so I have no problem picking him up.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 27, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
so then whats the point of having house if we have watson already?
hes not going to be playing much unless its at 2 and he would a horrid 2 for us
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Watson is not remotely the same 3 point shooter as House
He shot 31% from 3 last year and only 35% for his short career. They do two very different things. Watson serves as Rose’s backup PG and a capable defender and creator. House will only shoot 3s. Can’t expect a lot of production from the 12th guy signed.
Furthermore, the other options are Bogans, TMac and Roger Mason; none of which are a guaranteed upgrade.
I would rather spend the money on a guy whose production, even if in one category, is guaranteed.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
if all you want is shooting then you sign a dleaguer
those guys are great at doing one thing.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
So is House.
He proved valuable in Boston. Don’t see why he would not be valuable for the Bulls.
I suppose we will just agree to disagree. :-P
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 27, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
he was so valuable they traded him for Nate Robinson
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Whats wrong with Nate the Great?
I dont think enough people give the guy a chance he is one hell of an offensive player who knows how to put the ball in the hoop he can light it up so quick its scary sometimes. Not to mention he is fun to watch I would have took him as a backup if the Celtics didn’t sign him.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 27, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We already have an undersized SG
Who can light it up. If we didn’t have Watson I guess Robinson is an acceptable fallback, but I think we got the better guy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
As I'm sure you'll think with whomever they get.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You would rather have Nate Robinson?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
At the same price, same contract?
Yes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 28, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess
If you think you can control him and keep him in line, sure I could see that. On the other hand, I have no reason to believe he’s matured and he’s going into his 6th season.
The guy is a headcase who got play time for a team that never won more than 33 games while he was there, and then played 10 minutes a game as soon as he played with a real team.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey now.
He’s not a “headcase.” You must be thinking of JR Smith. Nate is a good guy who sometimes plays outside of himself. He was a gunner on a Knicks team that didn’t really disuade gunning. I think his time with Boston showed how he can fit in a team game. Is he better than Watson? I don’t know; their stats are really similar. But I’ve never seen Watson take over a playoff game and keep his team alive like Nate Rob did (with Big Baby’s help) that one playoff game this year. That’s a useful player.
He scored 12 points..
In a playoff game. Even Jannero Pargo can catch fire for 5 minutes and score 12 points.
And in any case, he’s had plenty of problems. The guy is an idiot.
There are certain things a player cannot do, lines that cannot be crossed. For example, dropping an F-bomb on the coach when he tries to call in a play.
Meet Nate Robinson. He did that last night.
His time with Boston was spent on the bench. If that’s how he fits in a team game, I think that says all that needs to be said about the guy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't even know why we're debating Nate Rob
but I can’t help myself. Of course anyone can catch fire, but not everyone can post a PER of over 15 for four straight years (a mark Mr. Pargo has yet to reach in his entire career).
“The guy is an idiot”? Really? Pretty short leash there, Grinder. He got in a feud with a coach who was jerking him around in the lineup. Did he conduct himself perfectly? Of course not. But is he an irredeemable loon? Not in my eyes.
Sources say Robinson was humiliated Wednesday in Orlando and feels he often is made a scapegoat for the team’s miserable 4-15 record. But Robinson yesterday sounded contrite. D’Antoni does not often meet with players formally.
"I’m definitely looking forward to it," Robinson said. "It’s something I’ve got to go in there understanding, just try to figure out what he wants me to do and go do it. I’ve got to change a lot, obviously. Whatever it is, I’ve just got to find out what it is, change it, and be ready to play. I’m going to have to [change]. Period."
This isn't the first time
That Robinson has had problems. That was just a recent example.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Everyone has problems
When your coach is Mike D’antoni and you can’t win any games. D’antoni is an ego maniac who thinks he is gods gift to basketball you should hear what the media here in the NY area thinks about him.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
So the Suns didn't happen then?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
they did happen
they just didnt happen to play any defense!!!! and were lucky to have the MVP of the league those years
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
If Pargo could catch fire for 5 minutes
he wouldn’t be Pargo he’d be some other player. Its the Pargo myth that he’s a streaker shooter, but really he’s just an awful shooter. He never put up 12 points in 5 mins last year.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 28, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last year he was well past
Whatever small prime Jannero Pargo had.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
the only positive effect
i ever remember pargo having was when he scored like 10 pts in a minute to tie us up against the wiz…
and then of course, arenas made the game winning shot anyway.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 28, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not Even a Question
Absolutely 100% Yes
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not comparing Nate and Watson
I’m just questioning the fact that people are making fun of House because he got traded for Nate. First off he has no control of who he gets traded for and I was trying to say Nate is a good basketball player who I would take on my team. His main issue is being kept in check at times. But he is fun to watch. I’m from New Jersey 20 minutes for NYC. I’ve been to both Nets and Knicks games at the MSG. Nate was and is the type of player who put people in the seats and then during the game can quickly get them up on their feet.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
i wasn't making fun of House
I was simply pointing out that the Celtics didn’t find his contributions too valuable because they had him and traded him. I didn’t really think it would spark this much debate.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Wel
Oddly they paid NateRob 2 yrs $9m deal, so they must really like Nate’s streaky no pass, too short to guard even a twig, difficult to coach ways. I mean House ain’t a good defender by any stretch, but I’d take his D over Nate Rob, let alone the less perceived fact that he’s not a know difficult to coach guy.
Eddie’s at least been a big shot maker at a big time (game 7 against us a few years ago).
I hate him though and would still prefer TMAC even if he wants to start…whatever, if he’s an issue ship him out. TMAC > A.I.even if more injured.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Darko got 20 million
Duhon got 16.. I don’t think judging a guy by what he signed for is a fair way to go about things. Every team’s situation is different.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
All I am saying is they must really like NateRob
Because I am fairly confident they could have found somebody else on the cheaper who is better without hte baggage and no D.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
The problem is they didn't have any money
so it was either sign Nate Robinson with his bird rights, or sign some minimum salary roster filler. Nate was clearly better than the alternative.
by runningman on Jul 28, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And that.. is why you don't judge a guy based on what he signed for.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Tell that to Atlanta
Or even worse Orlando (Rashard Lewis).
Heck a few years ago tell it to us for HInrich and Ben Wallace.
Of course you judge a guy based on contracts.
I get your point to a degree, but I don’t think the C’s were smart with this one.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
That's not all what I meant...
You were suggesting Robinson is good or well liked by the team, just because he got paid well, now you’ve just listed a bunch of guys who are extremely overpaid. As if to prove your first point was wrong.
I was suggesting him being paid a lot didn’t mean a damn thing, when comparing him to other players. You’ve proved my point for me.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Well let's put it this way
They traded for problem child NateRob, trading away locker room and really fan fave Eddie House, in order to pay Nate Rob probably 3 to 4 x more than they would have paid to resign House for I’d say equal on court production with less problem issues.
Also if you think of it really they paid Robinson much more (or paid for robinson much more since they’re in the luxury tax).
Oh well.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
nate gets such a bad rap
its kind of funny. dude is gonna surprise you this year
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
I'll believe it when I see it
He can jump, he can get streaky hot, he cannot defend, and while he perhaps can pass, he doesn’t.
Oh well, I’d love to see him fail.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
How so?
Is he going to grow 8 inches? The guy has been in the league for a long time now. He is what he is.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 29, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
he's accepted the back up role
as a back up, he can be what Ben Gordon should have been
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
yes but dleaguers come at a discounted price for the same skill set youre looking for in house
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Again, we will agree to disagree
If D-leaguers were equal to House then more of them would be in the league duplicating his production.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 27, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Eddie House shot 38% from the field and 35% from 3
and his primary ability is shooting. Yeah, I think you can get that in the D league
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
House is a 6-1 Pg.....
The only way he would work on this team is if Rose played SG when he was on the floor..the idiot that things he can play the 2 is just that…. boston didn’t even want this guy at the point and he can play both positions???
and he's old
we got a nice young squad lets not ruin it with a 32 year old bum
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Thinks*...
For future reference…Expect typo’s from me…I am not an idiot I just suck at this.. :)
Why is it a shame to not get Vujacic?
He thinks he’s way better than he is. I hate guys like that.
Because you can get a player that is comparable to the ones we're reportedly interested in
who can (or at least used to) shoot the three pretty well. And you’d be getting him on a one year deal. AND getting a draft pick out of it. Pretty sweet deal.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
plus we might see some sharapova courtside
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 27, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Bulls may be able to still do that deal
JJ and $ 3 million for Sasha and a first. The Bulls pay JJ’s salary and a little of his luxury tax payment. The Lakers save about $10 million dollars for the right not to pick #29 in the draft… (I don’t think the Bulls would do it, but its a thought)
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I would do it if I were the Bulls.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmm me too but the money is not mine
I think lakers would do it for JJ alone or JJ+2nd rounder
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 28, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I would try to bargain for 2 picks since they'll end up being bottom 5 picks anyways.
But yeah, I’d do that in a heartbeat. Whoever we sign with our remaining cap space will be pretty much a non-factor, so we might as well try and use it to acquire future assets.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
are you F'n serious??!!
Sasha F’n Vujacic?! The mofo hasn’t done anything since the celtics destroyed the Lakers like 3 seasons ago. The same guy that wore a Lakergirl cheerleading HEADBAND? The same guy who HUGS kobe anytime possible like a 16yr old clingy girlfriend?! The same guy who called himself ‘the machine’ only to fall off the planet soon after with even kobe saying: “the machine needs the check your batteries” in practice?! Fuck that guy. Living in SoCal, Laker games are on at every bar and i hav to see that bum waaaayyy to often.. Guy is like a character from Southpark, do you want a ‘Giant Douche’ or a ‘Turd Sandwich’- he can be either.
by AFireInside661 on Jul 28, 2010 12:33 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You're not making the trade to get vujacic
You’re doing it to get the draft pick that comes with him.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 28, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Which is a bad idea...
a Lakers first round pick is probably worse than a Clippers 2nd round pick, in that you’re getting a player of roughly equal value (picks 25-35 are largely interchangeable), but a 1st round pick gets guaranteed money unless they go overseas to play. So I’m not sure why we’d be excited about getting a 1st round pick from the Lakers.
I dont want anymore rookies on the team
Agree completely
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
uh, chill
the Bulls would be making the trade to get a 1st round pick.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 28, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
which is basically a 2nd round pick since the lakers arent going to be out of the top 3 in the league for a while
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
How can you expect him to tame the fire inside?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 28, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe include another team with cap space and make it a 3-way
Lakers get: nada
Bulls get: Vujacic, 1st rounder from Lakers, 2 2nd rounders from 3rd team
3rd team gets: JJ
That way the Lakers get even more tax relief, the Bulls get extra draft pick compensation, and some rebuilding team that wants JJ gets JJ
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
dont the lakers have to take a pick back or something back to be involved?
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Rights to Vladimir Veremeenko FTW
Pat Riley is the devil.
Three Team Deal
Bulls get Rudy and Lakers 1st round pick
Blazers get Sasha and Bulls 1st or 2nd round pick
Lakers get JJ and Blazers 1st round pick
Everyone Happy Now?
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
No, we had to give away a 1st round pick and take Sasha.
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Sham's saying
that moving JJ isn’t enough money anyway to take in Vujacic’s deal.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I misread what Doug said. I didn’t realise he’d included JJ in it.
As for whether we could do it with JJ in it, it depends on what Kurt Thomas signed for. But why would we want to? The window for doing that deal is shut now. There are many other teams who can (and will) do it that can give the Lakers the salary relief we no longer can.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Jul 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Is sham also Doug THonus?
I know they both write for that Chicagonow site I believe, but I figured they were 2 sep folks….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
They are. I’m outer spoon, he’s inner.
by Sham-onnnnnnnnnnna on Jul 28, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
I didn’t even realize I wrote this to Sham….sorry didn’t see your name.
Been reading your sham site for years…
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Its a Moot point..
The Bulls do not have the salary cap space to take on Sasha.
Bulls Have rougly 3 million
James Johnson’s Contract is 1.7 million
Sasha is 5.4 million
Thats 700k difference and we have to sign a 13th guy to the league minimum for 452k…
Besides who wants that garbage… the lakers won a championship and they dont want the guy who is only good at threes..why would we?
Yeah...
But he gets paid over $5M…in a salary cap league, that matters…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 28, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
i could see sasha averaging a good 11 points for the bulls. the guy isn’t a bad player. good defender, good shooter.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
he was a good shooter for one year. and that was the year they lost in the finals.
hes been horrid since then.
no one here in la likes him.
i think there would be celebration much like when we got rid of our chucker today
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
It's not a shame... its a great idea...
Sasha..No… moving on…
and dwight howard the year after
and then kobe in 3 years
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
What we really need to do is Trade loul deng and...
Our next 4 first round draft picks for melo… then we have a shot at a title…
House is terrible. He can't hit clutch shots and he has Pargo like intelligence (or should I say, lack of).
I will be very upset if Eddie House becomes a Chicago Bull.
how dare you compare pargo to an nba player
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 27, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
The Bulls could still do the Sasha V trade if they included James Johnson's salary. Provides the Lakers with
some relief, but not as much as they otherwise would have gotten if Bulls could absorb the full amount.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 11:41 PM CDT reply actions
oh my god
if la got jj i would love it.
living in la it would be awesome to see what la fans make of him
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 27, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea, bit the only way the Lakers do it is if they really want JJ
Otherwise they’ll just do the trade for full relief with another team. Maybe we could do it if we didn’t want the pick, but that makes it a little less enticing
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
But is a bottom of the 1st round pick more valuable than JJ?
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 27, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so myself
I think having to throw in JJ sort of diminishes the point of using the cap space to get assets. Granted, the fact that a pick is unknown and with no salary sort of makes it a better asset than JJ, who’s poorly known, and making money
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
all we need is jj to karate chop kobe
and after the game kobe will call him and say “hey i want you on my team next year”
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
YES!!!!!
Taj was 26th pick of the Draft…Is Taj better then JJ?? If you don’t think so then you are no longer welcome at BaB… oh and the Bulls no longer need you as a fan…
Taj was exceptionally good for a 26th pick
If you don’t understand that, you are no longer welcome… blah blah blah.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 28, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
what do you guys think of:
vujacic (plus $3M cash from the lakers) and patty mills to chicago — fills their needs for backup sg and 3rd string pg
rudy fernandez to LA
james johnson and multiple picks(mostly from LA) to portland
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
i'd rather have a pick from Patty Mills
plus i think that trade would put us over the cap.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It sounds like Rudy could be okay play 25 minutes a game
“Portland is willing to make a trade and the truth is I’m pleased they want to do it. Now we have to find a team where I can have an important role or where I can find the dynamics I enjoyed in Portland the first year.”
It sounds to me that he would be willing to at least compete for a job. If you go back to his 1st year, he played 25 minutes a game off the bench. In Chicago he has a chance to compete for the starting job, and even if he doesn’t get it, he could end up w/ 25 minutes a game off the bench.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 PM CDT reply actions
I get the sense that starting isn't the problem
it’s the lack of consistent minutes. I can see why you’d get surly if you never know when you’re going to play.
It does need to be said, though, that he might not have been benched so much if he didn’t suck so much. If he was playing like he was in his first year, he probably would have gotten minutes like his first year.
We're not known for anything, we have a new coach.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe I'm wrong
but I suspect he was being sarcastic
I suspect I wasn't all too serious either..
It’s not like Thibs isn’t known for things, or that the rest of the organization isn’t well known. We’re still known for a lot of things.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 28, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
is chicago interested in signing combo guard, shannon brown?
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
what combo does he have in him?
last i checked all he does is jump
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
The only combo he has in him
is the combo platter of chinese food he ordered for dinner tonight! lol
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
thanks
I made it up all on my own haha, but on a serious note shannon brown is not the answer enough said moving on
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
No one from the Lakers is...
If they don’t want them we don’t either…
I like how a guy gets a few minutes at PG
in the triangle offense where the PG doesn’t have to initiate any offense, and all of a sudden he’s a combo guard.
he can play shooting guard and point guard. hence a combo guard.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
albeit, he’s naturally a shooting guard—a short one.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
sounds like Watson
not quite the ball handler to be a pure 1, a little short to be a pure 2. We have Brewer, we don’t need another athletic dunker at 2
Finally the NBA has a villain
he cant play EITHER guard
i dont know if you watched him play at all this year but he almost always looked totally lost out there. the only times he was good as in garbage times making highlight reel dunks.
in the finals he was almost useless. his amazing defense helped ray allen get off to his record setting night. and eventually later in the series he got benched for an entire game because he was so useless.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
to be fair, he had a sprained thumb on his shooting hand the latter half of the season
he was shooting about 45% from the field and about 33% from the 3pt line pre-allstarbreak
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
a sprained thumb doesnt explain the lack of basketball iq he constantly displays on the court
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Bulls should give JJ+ picks and thats it!
There is no point in giving up other players say Taj. The lineup is pretty much set and giving away Taj is too much. If they don’t bite with that then move on. We already have Brewer as our starter and korver, watson, JJ can come off the bench and share the minutes for the 2-3 spot. If Bulls still want another SG then you can sign Bogans or Roger Mason.
I am not too concerned about the current makeup of this team.
I am more concerned about the future makeup of this team. The Bulls frontcourt is pretty much set for the next 4-5 years with the Noah/Boozer duo. If the Bulls’ really feel that Fernandez could compliment Rose far better than Brewer can then I would trade Taj for Rudy to place him in the backcourt alongside Rose. It’s harder to find a starting shooting guard compared to a third big men off the bench. Realistically, Taj will only be playing 15-18 minutes a night next season. We could find a player that might not be as good as Taj, but is as fully capable at subbing at the PF position when Boozer needs rest. A deep concern is that Boozer is injury prone and they may want to keep Taj for that reason alone.
The Bulls can always trade Kyle Korver once December 15th hits if he is not getting his fair share of minutes. His contract is quite reasonable.
Rudy Fernandez would be a better fit alongside Rose IMO. He’s a terrific three point shooter, he’s great at moving without the ball, and also can get to the line at a high rate. Maybe the Blazers could throw in Cunningham or Pendergraph (both PFs) if we were to deal them Taj. It makes a lot more sense to think about the future. Finding a replacement for a Taj Gibson-type player should not be to difficult whether it be through trades, draft, free-agency, whatever. If the Bulls’ feel that Rudy is the better fit alongside Rose for the future then I would trade Taj. Brewer would still be getting a lot of minutes at the backup SG and SF spots.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Your argument makes sense
but it’s more about the 15-18 minutes the backup PF plays. I expect Taj to get more minutes than that with Boozer at C sometimes. It’s also about who’s going to get major minutes when Boozer or Noah gets injured over the next few years. I would much rather it be Taj than some afterthought that we know we can’t count on.
I don’t think Taj is irreplaceable, but I do think people underestimate how easy that would be.
by runningman on Jul 28, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boozer at C?
Who plays defense at the C in that lineup?
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boozer at c is how the jazz got raped by the lakers
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Yeah, b/c every team in the NBA has Gasol/Bynum/Odom
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Jul 28, 2010 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know how far you are planning to go in the playoffs, but you will run into big men teams.
Not only that, you will get owned by lesser big men if you have Boozer at center.
I mean, as a Blazer fan I feel comfortable against Noah if Oden can stay healthy, but against Boozer at center? Wow. Yes Please.
As a Blazer watcher we see Boozer a few times a year. Great on offense. He can change a game. But his mobility on defense is so bad that you expect it and are astounded when he manages anything. That being said, he is strong and can hold a big man on the block (but if they have any sort of shot he is screwed).
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I cannot envision Boozer ever playing the C position.
Noah, Asik, and Thomas are all in front of Boozer on the depth chart for C IMO
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 28, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless we face up against the Heat
I’m sure he could take old man Ilgauskas and the great Joel Anthony….
i expect the heat to play Haslem at C quite a bit.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Ilguaskas
Can barely move anymore.
I’ve seen 6 3 Wade cover 6-8 guys like Pierce, and even Melo etc and be more than fine….and those guys can still move and jump.
I know Wade’s a special case, but Ilguaskas is worse than Shaq these days.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
But he can still shoot. That is the problem with Boozer at C.
Boozer might do OK against a low mobility Shaq type that can only score right at the rim, but he won’t do well against a sweet shooting or a decently mobile big.
And against talent of any type at the C, he will not do well.
That being said, I don’t expect the Bulls to play him at center.
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Didn't he say he didn't want to?
I thought I heard that was one of his “conditions”. maybe too strong a word but you get the idea
Finally the NBA has a villain
I did say that I was concerned about Boozer's injury history (and I am also concerned with Noah)
If an injury does occur then, you’re right, Taj would be a great backup. I am a fan of Taj. He’s proven valuable last season as a starter and he was only a rookie. NBA experience will only improve his play. I just think that their are going to be guys available that closely resemble Taj whether it be FA (using our mid-level), or the draft. Look at this off-season: Amir Johnson, Channing Frye, Craig Smith, Drew Gooden, Udonis Haslem could all be had for the mid-level or less. I consider those players around Taj’s level. I’m really not all too concerned with finding another Taj Gibson. And if Asik lives up to the hype, all the better.
I feel that Rudy has more potential to do great things over the next few seasons compared to Taj for the this specific Bulls team. Were building around Rose. He’s a potential superstar. Shooters fit well around him and Rudy has a chance to truly excel here. Brewer would still prove valuable for his versatility to play SG/SF and he’s a terrific defender.
Here would be my trade proposal: Rudy and Cunningham for Taj and a second rounder. The Blazers would probably bite.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 28, 2010 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Another Taj?
Craig Smith, Gooden, Haslem – similar offense, worse defense
Amir Johnson – similar player, $4 mil/yr vs Taj’s $1 mil/yr
Taj is a steal right now.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 28, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
that is retarded
taj is better than those players and he makes just over $1 million for the next 3 years. if you are concerned about the future, then you keep taj instead of eating up salary on another bench player. the one exception would be if taj can help get you a franchise sg, which rudy has not yet proven to be. the bulls made a great draft choice and are thus rewarded with a player that massively outplays his contract a la drose and joakim. plus, our front court all of the sudden gets awfully thin without taj, with question marks on asik and old man kt.
Taj isn't going to help get any SG that's "proven" to be a franchise type.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
exactly my point
unless a miracle trade appears, there are no franchise sgs available.
but taj isn't anything special, either
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
taj is special because
of the contract he is playing for. i never said he was an all star, i just said he gives great production for the money. his talent is replaceable, but the value is not easily replaceable.
by jubaby on Jul 28, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Compare these rookie seasons
Player A: 20 min/game 48% fg, 6.6 pts/game, 5.7 reb/game 0.9 blk/game
Player B: 27 min/game 49% fg, 9.0 pts/game, 7.5 reb/game 1.3 blk/game
Player B is Taj. Player A is Noah.
Maybe its a little early to say Taj is nothing special?
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 28, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
taj was older than noah as a rookie
so you could argue he’s closer to his ceiling already,
but I think you’re right.
yes taj had him a nice season
i dont care if hes older than joakim was cuz the stats dont change and the ceiling argument is different for each player. of course, joakim made a huge leap in year 3 and was disappointing before that (conditioning, attitude). i dont think taj has that kind of leap in him, but i could be wrong.
You can't say that for sure
He could be part of a package that gets us a damn good shooting guard if he has a really good year off the bench. I mean, the Cavs could’ve got Amare for a package built around JJ Hickson.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 28, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
true hes a big enough piece to help land a good sg
but i just dont see it at this point in the offseason. hopefully im wrong and we use him to land dwyane wade. oh wait!
let's pry brandon rush from the pacers
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
I loved Rush coming out of college, but he hasn't done squat in the pros.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Actually, 41.1% on nearly 4 per game.
I just had a broken heart after his rookie year.
Looking at him, he’s EXACTLY what one would have expected coming out of college while developing no other skills. He can shoot from 3 and defend. He can’t do anything else.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 28, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would actually work pretty well on this Bulls team.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
99% of his 3's were assisted. +60% eFG on 3's.
He rates as a good defender everywhere I look. If they sign a vet this season, He’ll be an RFA in two years. His build reminds me of Ronnie Brewer. Lanky but strong and athletic. Brewer drives and finishes but can’t shoot. Rush shoots but can’t drive or finish. Combine them and…. yeah, that’s scary to think about.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Are you suggesting
we all combine our resources to rebuild that teleportation machine from “The Fly” and then put Brewer and Rush in there together?
Let me know where to send my paypal.
by runningman on Jul 28, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
with our luck it backfires
and Pargo’s twin walks out
by SidM on Jul 28, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Blazers have started to talk to teams about trading Rudy.
Boston, Chicago and New York. I’m ok with giving up Taj if it gets us Rudy.
Here’s a link
me too as long as we get one of their centers back
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
The money doesn't work
Adding Przybilla adds 7.5, Oden 6.5 and Camby 11.2 million to the trade equation, so who do you send back?
by nikolokolus on Jul 28, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
A little birdie told me Delonte West is going to get released from the Timberwoves.
I’d rather not see the Bulls sign Eddie House. He showboats too much.
Yea me 2.....
like 2 days ago..
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
Didn't KC say they were just offering JJ?
I’m guessing the way this is going is the Bulls offering James Johnson and a first rounder, the Blazers saying no and asking for Taj Gibson instead, and the Bulls saying no.
Not even a pick?
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I didn't get it then
Is this box quote from KC’s article or not?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 28, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
No, the box quote is from yfbb
He said he guessed they offered JJ and a first rounder, but KC said they’ve just offered JJ (via the quote D2.0) provides just below here)
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KC:
The Bulls have been offering 2009 first-round pick James Johnson all offseason, although the Trail Blazers have shown little interest in Johnson in the past and other parts would be needed to make those salaries match.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Why dont salaries match?
Is the issue that POR is over the cap and needs the salaries to be within some % of each other? I thought it only took one team being under the cap to allow for unbalances trades (and the Bulls are far enough under the cap to take Rudy’s deal).
by Stay Chisel on Jul 28, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
So both teams have to be under the cap for the trades to be unbalanced?
by Stay Chisel on Jul 28, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
the difference here
is that jj’s salary is more than rudy’s. if it were less, it wouldn’t matter. since this can’t be considered dumping salary.
i think?
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
(since portland is the one over the cap, they can't be the ones taking more salary)
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
They can take more salary if its a 120% of what they are sending out..
the difference is 500K … 500 K would be 141% of Rudy’s contract
Edit
500k is 41 Percent of rudy’s contract… James Johnson’s 1.7 mil is 141% of Rudy’s 1.2 mil
Salaries don't match with just JJ + pick for Rudy swap, it would have to include Taj and one of their young bigs. That, I suspect,
is probably the sticking point.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Right. The Bulls aren't even offering a remotely sensible deal for the Blazers
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I'm fine with that if this is the first round of negotiations.
I’m sure they’re underbidding and the Blazers are over-asking so that they can ask around. It seems a forgone conclusion that they’ll trade Fernandez so it’s a matter of finding the best offer; I can’t see the Blazers sticking to their demands and keeping him at this point. If the Bulls don’t raise their offer… that’s a different story.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Who says they get the chance to raise their offer?
The Blazers don’t want to pay $1.7M to JJ to do nothing. They certainly don’t want to pay him to do nothing and then also have to give up a prospect.
The Knicks are still under the cap. They can simply offer a first rounder and be done with it. Because that’s probably what the Blazers really want. Why would they come back and keep asking us?
Likewise, the Celtics aren’t under the cap, but they could send a couple of their recently signed second rounders who are probably on NG contracts anyway.
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From what I read somewhere else
We are far enough under the cap where we can offer a first round pick and be done with it because Rudy’s contract would fit.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Right... that's why I say we're not making a serious offer
Taking Rudy under the cap and giving them a future first is a serious offer.
Offering them no pick, but instead asking them to pay the salary of a player they (and we) don’t want, as well as asking them to give up a young big man to make the deal work, is not a serious offer.
It’s the offer equivalent of giving them the finger.
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by Sports2 on Jul 28, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So what your saying
Is you think a First round pick is all they want in this situation?
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
As a Blazers fan
I can say that I think a pick is a fair price … the Blazers probably want the Charlotte pick you got in the Thomas deal.
by nikolokolus on Jul 28, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats the hold up
we know its going to be a lottery pick and end up being a much better player then Rudy if we just hold on to it. I’d give our first pick not the Bobcats first pick.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it will be anywhere near Top-10.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I wonder if what they really want is Taj for Rudy straight up and the Bulls are saying no way.
If that’s the case, I think the Bulls are being overly cautious, but I guess I can see why they would act that way. Taj is on a cheap deal, he’s productive, he’s our first big off the bench and he doesn’t bitch. Getting Rudy might just be a one year rental (if he really flees for Europe) and then you’ve lost a young productive player for a rental of a pretty average player.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
the Bulls whole approach has been cautious
so it makes sense. Spend a whole year-plus pumping up Taj, and then it looks bad if you trade the hard hat AND the lunch pail for a whining euro who isn’t chicago tough.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOLZ at Chicago tough. Too true.
(Sigh.)
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't even disagree with Taj > Rudy in terms of future contributions
but, even after dealing Hinrich for nothing (still can’t believe that), I will always worry against the Bulls overvaluing the glue.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
You call 9 million in cap space nothing??
I would mch rather have Korver, Brewer and a million in cap space to sign another player over Hinrich!
by mazzimo on Jul 28, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy has a way higher ceiling than Taj
It is a lot easier to find a guy like Taj than one like Rudy. I believe Bulls glaring weakness is still lack of consistent scoring outside of Rose and Boozer with Deng able to score in spurts. Fernandez could provide scoring in big spurts, off the bench, and he is really athletic and would complement Rose on the break in addition to spacing the floor with his shooting. If Bulls would do Taj for Rudy, any free agent bigs who could fill Taj’s role? And no, don’t say Shaq lol.
by D-Rose1 on Jul 28, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
still rudy
dunked on howard. let’s see taj do that.
Lets not fall for
the highlight reel method of choosing players. Id rather have consistant solid play than sloppy lazy play with the occasional highlight play.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 28, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like calling Gibson a young productive player and Rudy a "pretty average player".
They might be the same to you, but they definitely have different connotations.
Even still, you’re giving up 15 mpg over the next three years of a young-ish productive player for a 25 mpg of a young-ish productive player for at least one year, maybe two, maybe more. Gibson, in my opinion, there is no more.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 28, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The risk is that Rudy isn't as good as he was his rookie year (he did regress pretty hard this past year)
I think he is still good and I think he was just pouting, but that’s still added risk. Additionally, there’s the risk that if he doesn’t beat out Brewer for the significant minutes he wants that he just hops on a plane back to Spain. The risks are much greater than those for Taj. Taj is what he is and he’ll be that for the next couple years on a cheap, cheap deal.
Also, if the Bulls got Rudy they would have to extend him, if possible, and he’s going to want to get paid in order to stay stateside. That is another consideration that I’m sure JR’s thinking about. Don’t want to ruin the 2013 plan to extend Rose and not pay the tax.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OTOH, if he is much better than what he was last year....
….they have a steal of a back-court and one helluva rotation over the next xxx number of years.
Rose – Watson
Fernandez – Brewer
Deng – Korver
Boozer – Thomas
Noah – Asik
is one helluva a rotation. That is, of course, if Fernandez proves to be close to as good as his other four starters. If he’s that, they’re amazing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 28, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
plus now you don't have to worry about Kurt Thomas stealing Asik's minutes
Yeah, that’s a quality starting lineup. Our only chance to beat superteams is having a great starting 5.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that's probably relying too much on Kurt Thomas at this stage of the game.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I would, too, except, he's only their for simplicity.
Boozer would play 33 mpg at PF, Deng 5 mpg, Asik + Noah another 5 mpg, Thomas 5 mpg.
Rose, Fernandez, Brewer, Deng, Noah would be a devastating small-ball lineup. Rose, Brewer, Korver, Asik, Noah would be quite intriguing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
A little scary given Boozer's injury history and Deng's frailty, but I think it could work.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
It's still scary even with Gibson.
Gibson is good, but if they go from a 22 PER player to 14 or 15, they’re losing games regardless.
Plus, there’s always the $3 million or so in cap space the Bulls would still have to take on guys for future 2nd round pick or such. It’s a pretty “meh” list, but it’s viable for an emergency. And in my mind, totally worth the chance.
Guys, i think might be available in a straight salary drop or in a salary reduction
Renaldo Balkman
Brendan Wright
Tyler Hansbrough
Darrell Arthur
Ryan Hollins (I have no clue, actually)
Kris Humphries
DJ White
Brandon Bass
Ryan Anderson
Jason Smith
Taj Gibson/Pendergraph/Cunningham
Koufos/Fesenko
Chris Richard (eeek!)
And about a million d-leaguers. Yeah, it’s a not a perfect fit to be sure. But if Boozer is out for more than 3 wks, the team will struggle either way. If they get one of those guys, Rod Benson, or whomever, I think it’s definitely workable. Or they could just go get Rod Benson now. Brian Butch, Earl Barron, Dwayne Jones, whatever.
Without any major injuries to the SF/PF spot, the team is fine. With a major injury, I think these guys are okay. And yes, my thoughts are definitely based on liking Rudy Fernandez and not thinking Taj Gibson is amazing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 28, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i wonder if the reason portland would want taj in return is to satisfy the rabid fan base for a trade of last year's fav (rudy)?
they already have a full roster of 15. they already have dante cunningham and jeff pendergraph (fg%!).
maybe take one of them in return? they killed in (limited minutes) the playoffs against the suns last year.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
OK..
So what do we do when grandpa thomas gets injured this season??? Taj is a much better keep then trading for Fernandez….Blocking, rebounding and Hustle are things you dont find everyday for a mil..
what if taj gets injuried?
or if thomas and Taj get injuried?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Maybe, though I don't know that Taj makes huge sense for them
Obviously they’ve got their injury issues, but with LMA, Camby, Oden, and Przy, they’ve got four guys who will definitely play ahead of him. And they’ve got Cunningham and Pendergraph who weren’t totally awful in their first year. Cunningham, I think, had a higher PER than Taj.
So basically, I think the Blazers wouldn’t care much about Taj. On the other hand, every team should care about future firsts, because that’s where you get your prospects from when you’re capped out.
The Bulls, on the other hand, I don’t blame them for being cautious in this situation. In the thread that fell off the board (so I’m pasting it below), I laid out why I probably wouldn’t trade Taj for Rudy in the first place, so of which you touch on already
First, I don’t know that Rudy is a known commodity. If we get last year’s version of Rudy, we’ll be sorely disappointed. Worse still, he’ll get mad and leave, and we’ll have given up a good young (OK, it’s Taj) big for one year of SG.
So basically, we’re guaranteed 4 years of Taj, and we know that’ll give us 25 quality mpg or so.
With Rudy, we’ve got very divergent outcomes. Maybe he steps up, and we get 3 years of very good play at a low price, but maybe he’s not that good. Or maybe he goes back to Spain. Those are real possibilities. So I give him a low chance of being a really good full time starter (say 20% that he’ll be a 30+ mpg guy, and split the rest that he is 25 mpg or that he either gets mad and leaves after a year, or is really not that good).
So basically, that’s an 80% chance he’s the same or worse than Taj. But he currently plays at a position we have more depth at.
I think X Henry is likely to be a decent player, and he could be a very good player. Plus, he’s locked in at a low price for 5 years, which is important to consider for a team that’s going to be capped out regardless and won’t be able to easily replace assets that don’t turn out.
So basically, I’d rate the three out like
1. Henry. Least proven, but I think he’s actually got the best chance to be a full-time, very good NBA starter. In short, highest ceiling. Floor is probably not much lower than the other guys, but you do have to figure he’s not great as a rookie. But he’s locked in for the longest time.
2. Taj. Least upside, but size is scarce, and we wouldn’t have an obvious replacement. Plus, he’s obviously not going to be a bust. He’s demonstrated he can play. And he’s locked in for four years.
3. Rudy. Lots of risk here. In two years, he hasn’t broken out, and he could get mad and quit. He’s got tempting talent, but you have to figure he hasn’t forced his way into a lineup after two years in the league. At best you’ve got him for three years, but if he doesn’t do well enough by his own subjective standard, he might bolt and leave you with a hole you can’t fill.
Without Taj, we’re very shallow up front. They’re not really, with or without Taj. So basically, they shouldn’t want him, and we shouldn’t want to trade him.
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The Bulls should just offer up picks and cap space and be done with it. Knicks have no picks
and the Celtics pick will probably be lower than the Bulls. Plus, the Bulls have the Bobcat pick trump card (which I would give up because I want the Bulls to try to win sooner rather than waiting around until 2016).
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
The Bulls pick might be higher then the Celtics pick
If we get Rudy to push us over the edge I think Rudy pushes the team he goes to into a better record then the other so the blazers are screwed either way lol
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Picks for rudy sounds good if its future second round picks..
Taj was our second pick in the first round (26th pick) and nobody wants to give him for rudy..
you won't think that way
Plus, the Bulls have the Bobcat pick trump card (which I would give up because I want the Bulls to try to win sooner rather than waiting around until 2016).
once 2016 rolls around.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
do the Bulls get the pick anytime they want?
Or do the Bobcats choose when to send the Bulls the pick. B/c if its the Bobcats choice, 2016 will never come.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 28, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
realistically, the bobcats will finish out of the playoffs in 2012 0r 2013
and the bulls will get the 15th or 13th pick.
it’s not up to the bobcat’s choice. the bulls have it if it qualifies.
2012 first round draft pick to Chicago
Charlotte’s own 2012 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-14 protected in the 2012 Draft, top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Charlotte – Chicago, 2/18/2010]
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
by marionette on Jul 28, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so once it's not protected it's ours?
Or can we choose to wait if we think we’ll get a better one in a following year?
I might...
…if Fernandez turns into an above-average player and Rose, he, Deng and Noah are all locked up, and the Bobcats are hovering around the 15-20 range.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
so
you think the bobcats will make the playoffs from 2012 to 2016, consecutively?
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Do they have to?
I must not be reading your blockquote above right. The pick is for 2012 but Top 14 protected. That means if they make the playoffs in 2012, their pick isn’t in the Top 14 and therefore goes to the Bulls, right?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
yeah, they only have to make it to the playoffs in 2012...
“We feel the future first-round pick will be important as we continue to build,” Bulls general manager Gar Forman said. “It’s a chip we’ll be able to use whether to acquire a player or via trade down the road.”
Forman said on “The Afternoon Saloon” on ESPN 1000 that the first year for the pick would be 2012, and it would be lottery protected that year. Forman said the protection would decrease each year after that for “four or five years.”
If, in 2011-2012, the Bobcats finish with the 8th-best record in the East or better (which isn’t hard), they’re pick will be from 15-30 and not protected, going to the Bulls.
They’d have to be bad and getting worse starting in 2012 and beyond to not get it until 2016. I’m not sure they’ll be very good, but they’ll have mostly the same players around that year, and I think they’ll make it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 28, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
don't know what i was doing there
but a brainfart to get it backwards?
in any case, i doubt it gets to 2016. and i think that it’s still too valuable (as a late lotto one of those 2013-2014 years) to give up.
i do think what’s going on is: a) jimmy johns for rudy is not real. b) taj for rudy doesn’t seem like something the blazers would push for since they have cunningham and pendegraph. c) that means they want that bobcats pick
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I don't think they will just take a first rounder for rudy...
Maybe…but If so then why would we give them JJ if they didnt want him?? We can just cut him next year..He has a Team option…The only reasons I could see the bulls not doing this just for a first rounder is either..
1) He isnt worth a first round pick to us
2) He isn’t good enough to be the last piece on our team so we have to move JJ to be able to sign an additional player…
I think...
That they want the Bobcats pick and we are refusing to give that away
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't they come back and ask for more?
They’d be foolish not to over-ask because they wouldn’t get the most they could then. There’s always a dumb GM somewhere. And they’d be foolish not to try and get more back from the Bulls.
Granted, I’ve not been in a lot of business deals in my life, but it doesn’t make sense to me, in a business where companies constantly negotiate (instead of just submitting bids and that’s that), why they wouldn’t at least go around for a second inquiry.
If they’re serious about just wanting what you think, they’ll tell the Bulls that, and they can either up their offer or not.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
At some point, folks have to shit or get off the pot
And my understanding is that teams work things both ways. They’ll shit around for each other, but then, like used car dealers, say “look, this deal is going fast!”
Like, the Knicks don’t HAVE to offer their first. They can say “look, I don’t have time for this shit, I’m supposed to meet Keith Bogan’s agent for lunch. if you want to do this deal, I’ll do it, but otherwise, I’m going to go sign him, and then the deal is off the table”.
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"look, I don’t have time for this shit, I’m supposed to meet Keith Bogan’s agent for lunch…"
well this is it, this what i say now when i want people to hurry up and get to the point.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
by TheMoon on Jul 28, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right. Basically, the Bulls are jerking them around instead of making a serious offer
I dunno if I’d throw in Pendergraph or Cunningham if I were them. They both had decent rookie showings.
And Just for the privilege of taking back JJ, who they don’t really want?
So not only do they have to do Rudy a "favor" when he’s bitching his way out of town, they have to take back a guy they think can’t play, and also give up another young player in the process? No, they won’t do that.
That’s sort of a non-serious offer by the Bulls. A more serious offer would simply be future pick(s). That way, we have to deal pay JJ to non-perform and they get the pick, which is probably what they really want.
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by Sports2 on Jul 28, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder why we can't fix that
by just sending cash. james johnson and 500k for fernandez. still has to be less than 120% if we pay the difference?
Finally the NBA has a villain
I wrote that before reading the KC article
surprising that the Bulls wouldn’t even offer a pick, but maybe they have and haven’t rang KC’s batphone yet
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Reinsdorf said we're going to be better than the Heat so what's the value of first rounders anyway :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Wheras Reinsdorf can be utterly negligent most of the time and we still shell out
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he's too old to care if the Bulls win a title
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just offered JJ. Pathetic.
The Sun-Times reports that the Blazers turned down the Bulls’ offer of Johnson for Fernandez.
In Boston, NESN.com’s Nick Coman writes that while Boston would have to give up a first-round draft pick to get Fernandez
I don't think we should give up the Charlotte pick for Rudy.
I may be our only chance of getting that other elite player that would make us true contenders.
I'd agree with you if the pick wasn't protected
From RealGM
2012 first round draft pick to Chicago
Charlotte’s own 2012 1st round draft pick to Chicago (top-14 protected in the 2012 Draft, top-12 protected in 2013, top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 protected in 2015 and unprotected in the 2016 Draft.) [Charlotte – Chicago, 2/18/2010]
It could be 2016 before we get anything really juicy.
That sucks!
I was hoping it wasn’t so that we can get an early pick to add to a still young Rose, and Noah, Boozer would still be at a good age and it would help solidify our team if we can get a a top 5 pick to join us in 2 season.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea your right
I was just hoping it was sooner then later so that we can get Rose and Noah another peice of the puzzle at a earlier stage so that they can grow a bit more together as Rose is hittin his prime in the next 5-7 years getting a good rookie when Rose is 27 might not pull it together for us for a few years after that.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Gordon Hayward?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Blech.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly
it was a pick worth hanging on to, but it wasn’t like a winning lottery ticket or anything.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Every team should work the draft harder
but teams that have nothing to go on but draft picks should work it extra hard. At most every pick, there’s usually someone that can help. The problem is most teams just don’t work hard enough to figure it out.
Kevin Pritchard and Darryl Morey might be a couple of geeks, but those guys tend to pick good players even at late picks. That’s an extremely valuable talent in the NBA.
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hey, Pax did get Taj
I would not have thought the 26th pick last year would turn out to be a potential trade asset
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Too bad they whiffed so egregiously on Jimmy Johns.
/still bitter
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Seriously.
I know I wasn’t on the Ty Lawson band-wagon, but I would have rather had him than Johnson. Having him now keeps CJ Watson off the books, makes Taj more tradeable… whatever.
Anywho…
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I was on a number of bandwagons, Ty's was one of them.
Blair’s was another and Marcus Thornton was a third.
Those were the top guys on my imaginary draft board when the Bulls selected at 16. That we got none of them and all of them were above average players as rookies is pretty damned disappointing.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I wanted Blair and Budinger and was pretty zeroed in on those two.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Budinger has turned out pretty well, too. I was high on him at first, but then cooled on him
as the draft approached and I got eyes for Marcus Thornton.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, I have to say that the Bulls have been above average in this respect
They usually find guys who can play.
Of course, that’s easier to do with high picks than low picks. We’ll see how they do over the next couple years
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Well they did do better with the low pick last year over the high pick. :-P
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 28, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Potential trade asset for who? rudy??
No thanks..
You sure that wasn't Gar?
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 28, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Bulls should invite Allen Iverson
Just for the circus
…
then sign Cuttino Mobley
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 28, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
Mobley and Steve Francis
their friendship was special
Sign John Lucas III from the summer league.
Maybe catch lightning in a bottle.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 28, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Lucas is purely a point guard...
Unlike Eddie house who is purely a point guard that some people think can play the two.. I think some people just say whatever sounds good to convince themselves we should get who they want…
They can sign Lucas
after filling the 12th spot.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 28, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Im convinced that mgmt reads BAB
and decided after all our bitching for years and the fat that their Wade/Bosh plan failed; that they decided to pick up everyone we have been drooling over for year. Yes, im talking bout you Rudy
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Well signing him and trading for him are different...
Rudy is good and I would gladl give jj for him but no one else on the team and maybe 1 future first…
i hate House's celebrating
Like he won the lottery every time he makes a shot.
"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah
I also hate eddie house
with a passion!
by binhythebull on Jul 28, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I look forward to your future misogynistic nickname for him!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't hate him that much.
Just his celebrating.
"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah
ull love him when he's celebrating a shot he made for the Bulls
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
well..its a process
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 28, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Is it an automatice rec for saying
“its a process”?
"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah
by T.Moore on Jul 28, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
only if its a process
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 28, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Oh
So the process of saying “Its a process” is also a process?
"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah
by T.Moore on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
see its slowing starting to process
gotta love the process within the process. not even Velveeta gets that much process
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
it does open up Stacey King to use
“mouse in the house” more in his brilliant broadcasting.
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
I don't want anybody from the epic 2009 boston showdown
those were my mortal enemies for two weeks. I’m not ready to make nice
…except with Thibs…
Finally the NBA has a villain
by cp881289 on Jul 28, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
House makes sense
The reason for bringing in McGrady in the first place was to add a scorer. I still think McGrady makes more sense because he’s more of a complete scorer, but House’s ability to shoot 3’s coming in cold off the bench should still help a lot. The Bulls did so well in the playoffs two years ago because Salmons and Gordon were nailing threes, but against the Cavs last year they couldn’t get bailed out like that.
but theres a difference in those two vs house
house cant create his own shot
whereas gordon/salmons could
i imagine tmac even with some limited mobility could still create his own shot.
thats what the bench needs. someone who can get his for a few minutes while rose boozer are on the bnech
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
The Bulls have got to go full throttle to get Adam Morrison and Brian Scalabrine.
If we get both of those stars…73 wins….no problem.
I'm disappointed with you BullsFan22. You aren't aiming high enough.
Why not get Pargo too? They can form a Big 3 team and win 500 games in a season.
pargo is off the market incase you missed the blockbuster signing of the offseason yesterday
obviously morrison is our best hope now
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Who will be the Bulls 12th man!
the suspense is insufferable.
this wont be a 12th man if it Rudy
He may be the 12th man added to the roster but may be our starting 2 guard these arent some guys who arent going to get playing time.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 28, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
If we trade a man for Rudy
he will be our 11th man, and we’ll still have to find a 12th. The 12th man is always the hardest.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 28, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris Richard wants a word.
Or something.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
ESPNChicago.com's
current poll is literally impossible to answer until they add a neither choice.
"Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team." -Scottie Pippen
by owenjs on Jul 28, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You're right
Cutler would physically murder him and the world would be a better place because of it. I choose T.O.
"Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team." -Scottie Pippen
I don't want Rudy. Don't need Rudy
He’s turned out to be a poor NBA player. Just stands at the 3 pt line. Gets shook by a rocking chair on D.
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Unlikely
The Bulls have talked with the Portland Trail Blazers about sharpshooter Rudy Fernandez, but the chances of a trade happening don’t seem promising, according to a source.
The Bulls’ offer of forward James Johnson was rejected and there’s really no one else on the roster that makes sense. The Blazers also have reportedly talked to the Boston Celtics and New York Knicks about Fernandez.
If they’re just offering JJ, of course a trade is unlikely.
Portland probably laughed and hung up immediately
And yeah, there maybe no one else on the roster that makes sense, but draft picks do.
Do other NBA teams even know who Jimmy Johns is?
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
they at least saw him getting dunked on by LeBron
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That was such a travel!
But I guess it’s good to be “The King”… (barf)
Well, it seems apparent the Taj for Rudy deal won't get done, but here's my last chance at showing minutes.
Rose, 35 – Watson, 13
Fernandez, 28 – Brewer, 18 – Watson, 2
Deng, 28 – Korver, 15 – Brewer, 5
Boozer, 33 – Noah, 5 – Deng, 5 – Thomas, 5
Noah, 28 – Asik, 15 – Thomas, 5
Come playoffs, Thomas, Watson and/or maybe Asik take significantly reduced roles.
I understand it’s an “if”, but “if” Fernandez bounces back and has a significant leap having a bigger role, that’s a bad-ass team. They can still go get someone before the trade deadline because they’d have a few million in cap space. And next year, (because, it’s not like they’re only playing for this year), they can get a much better player for the MLE or in the draft. I still think Fernandez has the potential to be a SG at the level of Deng or Noah, even if it the odds are diminished at this point.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Honestly, I'd just offer that Charlotte pick for Rudy
Most likely they bite, and I don’t think it will be some colossally awesome pick that we’ll be missing out on. If that happens, it’s 2016 anyways by then, and hopefully Rudy turns into a semi-star or at least the perfect fit next to Rose. Can you imagine that roster with Taj, too? Holy stackedness!
Rose/Watson
Fernandez/Brewer
Deng/Korver
Boozer/Taj
Noah/Asik/Thomas
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 28, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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