Portland Willing to Trade RUDY
Rudy Fernandez: "Portland is willing to make a trade and the truth is I'm pleased they want to do it. Now we have to find a team where I can have an important role or where I can find the dynamics I enjoyed in Portland the first year."
almost 2 years ago
BULLysh
214 comments
2 recs |
Email
PrintComments
its so easy.
I have faith that Gar will think of this.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 27, 2010 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he did
and Portland said no
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
too much, IMO
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
two second round picks?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
What
2019 & 2032 2nd rounders, lol, I think the Bulls have dumped 2nd round picks the way the Knicks have dumped 1st rounders.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 27, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
but isn't he always upset about playing time?
and wouldn’t he not be starting over brewer?
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Jul 27, 2010 7:11 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yea, I think that will be a problem
He just won’t have the minutes here that he wants.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree.
Still, I’d rather have a mobile, athletic, young Rudy Fernandez battling with Brewer and Watson for P.T. than a broke-down McGrady.
Don’t think this happens, though.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 27, 2010 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree.
Brewer isn’t a super stud. Neither is Korver. Nor is Watson. If Rudy fulfills the potential he showed as a rookie, he’s easily the best player of the four SG choices.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd rather have Rudy than Brewer personally
I’m just saying he’ll present the same type of issues that T Mac does. It seems like management has more of a desire for a team that knows their roles, rather than bringing in a potentially better player to challenge for a job. Not saying it’s right, just the way it appears to be
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Except Rudy would have upside and could actually be better.
TMac can’t be.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well I basically said that
If you were asking me which player I’d rather have to fill that role, obviously it would be Rudy. I was looking at it from the Bulls perspective, and what it appears their intentions are.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Again, all this depends on what they want for him.
The danger is that we over value a back-up/fringe starter.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 27, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't know how the argument holds true in the case of Mcgrady
and not in the case of Rudy. I think Cosmis brought up the original point, which was an obvious one—a good one. If we are worried about one we have to be worried about the other in terms of team chemisty. Historically speaking, Rudy has shown he can bitch and moan just like anybody else.
Now if the arguement is Rudy is worth the risk while T-Mac is not, then I see more legitimate cause there, but I think Fernandez could potentially be more of a bitch than T-Mac.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 27, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that is the argument
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
He will be fine here.
1. You read his qoute above and he wants to be moved.
2. Brewers a nice addition but there is playing time there that can be earned.
3. I didn’t want to mention this because it’s hard to explain but things get lost in translation. Spainards always sound like they are complaining. Hispanics in general just like saying what they feel. It’s accepted in our culture. In a big market like Chicago and the community he’ll be surrounded by he will be fine.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Yeah I mean, I'm hoping he'd be fine here.
He does a lot of things we need well and I’ve defended him before.
But I’ll say…
1. It’s understood he wants to be moved, it’s just, at what price?
2. Agreed.
3. I think I might possibly understand what your saying, kind of, maybe, but not really at all.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 27, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
If we're taking a guy who is going to complain
I’d rather it be the guy we can sign off the street who said he is willing to be on the bench if he can’t start.
Rudy is already trying to leave his first team, and there’s a fair chance he’d complain about minutes here too. It’s a lot worse to cut a guy that you traded a draft pick and a young guy for, than it is a guy you signed off the street for basically nothing. We’d probably be stuck with Rudy if he starts bitching, and that would be a problem, if TMac complains, he can just be bought out w/o much thought.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, cutting McGrady w/o a thought would go over well with that kid that idolizes him.
And he probably wouldn’t say anything to that kid about the organization either. I mean, it’s just sooo easy to cut guys without out any ramifications.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd be more worried about tying up the guaranteed money
than hurting Rose’s feelings. Seems like a stretch to think it’d really effect him.
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Long-term? probably not.
I’m not sure we need someone’s childhood hero (or whatever he was/is) telling him how shady the Bulls’ front office is.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Childhood being the operative word
He’s not a child any more as evidenced from the rest of that quote where he talks about now being his own favorite player. He also said he moved on from Tracy being his favorite to Lebron, and we saw how little that meant when it became time to recruit Lebron. Huge projection to think Derrick will care any more about Tracy leaving town than Salmons.
Derrick has known the Bulls front office for 2 years, he’s not going to learn anything from McGrady who will have been here for months in this scenario.
He'll learn the front office
Isn’t going to waste time with complaining unproductive players? That’s a bad thing?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Clearly, you've never looked up to anybody.
/snark
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I wouldn't look up to them anymore
If they started creating problems for me.
Taking Ben Gordon’s contract off the table – Could be seen as shady.
If they hadn’t paid Jay Williams – That could have been seen as Shady.
How is it shady to cut a guy who is creating problems and not producing? Explain your reasoning.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm still waiting for your Luol Deng at PF isn't a good idea justification.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
He's a SF, where's the evidence that he's a good fit at PF?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
82games.com
He’s played significant minutes at PF every year he’s been in Chicago, and he’s been better than average there every year. I’m surprised you don’t know this. It’s been discussed a lot on here. For 10 mpg, he’s quicker than most PF, he’s long enough to hang with all but the biggest and best bangers, and he still rebounds.
I’m sad you had to take the GiT’s side on this and make me explain myself.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Last year he played in two lineups where he could accurately be called the PF
for anything close to significant minutes. The lineup data is available at basketballvalue, to parse it out.
That’s a better system, to me, than relying on 82games. Last year: with Rose, Kirk, Salmons, Deng and Noah – the Bulls were +7.55, they ran that lineup 160 minutes total all year (a little under 4 games worth).
The only other Luol as PF lineup that got more than 20 minutes all year was Rose Kirk Fish Lu and Brad, which was -14.40 over about 53 minutes.
The year before that Deng only had one lineup where he was really the PF that played more than 20 minutes and it was just barely. It was Derrick, Gordon, Hughes, and Gooden.
It seems like 82 games gave Lu credit for manning the 4 spot about half the time when he shared the floor with Nocioni. That’s just not the case, Noce was the stretch 4 in those lineups and Lu was still the SF.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no he isn't
Korver can be used as a spot up shooter or coming off screens. Deng doesn’t play physical enough to consistently play the 4.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I've pretty long made the argument that he's a more natural 4 than a 3
One reason he’s never been all that physical is he never looks to have added much strength. He was directed further out on the perimeter instead of inside. Which is sort of iffy to me since even trying to stay as lean as possible, he’s below average in quickness there.
Anyway, I dispute that he’s not physical enough. Is he less physical than Tyrus or Taj? If anything, he’s a more consistent rebounder and better team defender.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Since he's seemingly made of glass, I have no problem with him
refusing to add weight. It would be counterproductive.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Taj is infinitely more physical
As well as a better defender against bigs. And he is not remotely a more consistent rebounder than Taj. Taj was a double double machine in the 2nd half last year.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 27, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd also be worried it's just more easily get him hurt
but I’m not against some stretches of small-ball if the alternative is worse players on the floor.
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Bulls front line has improved to the point
where going small doesn’t mean putting our most talented guys on the floor. Our most talented guys now fit into a conventional lineup
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he's the starting SF...
And that’s his best fit? Of course he can play a few minutes a game there, a guy with his size and length can do a lot of things. But he’s most suited to play SF, why would they create a situation where he doesn’t get to play in his best position. Every minute he’s playing PF is a minute we have a lesser SF in the game. Why would they want that?
He previously played PF because the other PF’s were not good at basketball. When your option is Luol Deng at PF or Hakim Warrick or Tyrus Thomas you go with Luol Deng. He’s going to put up decent numbers no matter where he plays, and judging him based off such a small % of minutes at PF (9% last year, 4% the year before) when he was probably in mainly for match up specific reasons or due to others foul trouble, is ridiculous.
If Rudy was clearly a large upgrade over Brewer, I’d say it’s possibly worth the sacrifice in playing Korver more at SF and Deng more at PF. I do not feel that way.
I didn’t explain myself because I didn’t think you were actually serious.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
While I'm not in favor of trading Taj
I am in favor of Deng at PF in the right stretches. There are some cases I’d prefer it to playing Taj, but I think we need to have proper depth and not rely on it.
As it stands, I’m actually kind of excited for seeing Deng/Brewer/Korver (Or Watson) in spots, and I’d be even more excited to see Deng/Brewer/Rudy in spots.
It’s not that Rudy is a huge upgrade over Brewer, it’s that they’re very different players. I’d almost make the case that if you’ve got Rudy and Brewer, you might ought to look to trade Deng. But then again, it would really all depend on what you could get for him.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Sure in certain matchups
Like I said, it can make sense. But consistently having to use him at PF because we’ve traded our back up is not a good situation.
And Deng is much better than Fernandez or Brewer, you surely don’t trade Deng just because you have Fernandez or Brewer.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently, no one else can play PF on the team other than Taj Gibson.
Didn’t arjando or what-not show that Kurt THomas played a lot of minutes there?
Deng’s played 5 mpg at PF his entire career. He’s been good at it. If he has to continue to do that, there’s no reason not to.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You really want Kurt Thomas to play a lot?
That’s your plan? Good lord.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
You're only saying things. You've shown nothing.
How does a combination of Deng, Noah, Asik and Kurt Thomas not make up 15 mpg? 9% is four mpg. Deng is good there. Noah, Asik and Kurt Thomas can be on the floor at the same time, 2 at a time, for the remaining 11 mpg.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah..
I can’t wait to give more minutes to Kurt Thomas and less to Deng at SF. This sounds awesome, sign me up.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
So far, when I picture Asik, I can't help but to picture Dragan Tarlac
Thomas will be good in short stretches, but I think he’d run out of gas quick if we have any sort of injury at all.
And I don’t want to rely on Deng that much regularly.
So basically, we’ve got two guys we shouldn’t want to sue regularly, and we’ve got one complete unknown. If we get to December and Asik looks like an obvious player, I’d be very cool with trading Taj.
But sight unseen, I just can’t really bring myself to pull that trigger.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
did you just make a noise like that animal from thunder catz?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
As far as I've seen Fernandez has only ever complained of "minutes", not starting.
The Bulls seemed to feel that McGrady wanted to be a starter and almost expected to be. At least, that’s the impression I got. Fernandez is going to agree to any trade because otherwise he’s bolting to Spain. I assume the Bulls would have discussions with him or his agents about this. I would suggest the Bulls would give the shpiel: We already have 3 capable SG’s in Watson, Brewer & Korver. Brewer could be a long-term solution for us. But you could be, too. We are going to play the best player available. We think that can be you, but you have to earn it. Yes or no? If he says no, he wants a guarantee to start, then no dice. If he agrees but says he might buy himself out of his contract in a year if he’s not happy, you know, whatever. That’s negotiating.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think he easily gets 20 minutes a night behind Brewer...
But he was averaging 23 and 25 in his two years in Portland…so, he probably won’t be happy here regardless..
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Somehow
I don’t think fighting for minutes behind Brandon Roy equals battling for minutes against Brewer.
The Game chose him !
by Diabolo on Jul 27, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, agreed.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Now that I've thought about...
…it’s going to be a lot easier for him to get minutes with Brewer and CJ Watson than Brandon Roy and others. I see no reason he can’t get close to 30 mpg and fight for a starting spot.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You're forgetting about Korver
I don’t think they signed him to only play 12 minutes a game behind Lu. You have to look at Watson, Brewer and Korver splitting time between those 2 spots. I don’t think he’ll find 30 minutes a game
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they could cut Lu's minutes back some? He could certainly use the reduction in wear and tear
especially since he’s going to play for GB this summer, again.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Lu played way too many minutes last season
He played 38 minutes a game – he was playing 40 in the first month (thanks Vinny). He needs to get down to about 32 a game. I think there are minutes for Rudy, if he earns them. I don’t think he would beat Brewer out, but there is the chance. I didn’t hear him say he wanted to be guaranteed a starting spot. So, I’d go for him. If he pouts, he pouts.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's see:
Rose (36)-Watson(12)
Brewer (25)-Rudy(23)
Deng (32)-Korver (16)
Boozer (36)- Taj (12)
Noah (30)-Asik(15)-KT(3)
Still a pretty tight minutes squeeze for Rudy, unless he takes Brewer’s job and bumps him down to 18-20 minutes a night.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
If Fernandez and Brewer are better than Korver, I don't see him getting the minutes.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Then why spend 5 million a year on him? Do you think they will flip him immediately at the deadline for someone?
Plus, I can’t se Korver not getting minutes with the spacing issues that this team is going to have and would still have even with Rudy.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Because they spent the money before getting Brewer and Fernandez?
Korver is one-dimensional. He’s great at that dimension. Brewer and Fernandez are multi-dimensional. I think there will be games where Korver gets significant minutes and there will be games where he gets only a few.
that is, IF Brewer and Fernandez both show they’re better than Korver. They are both big enough to play SF.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
i wouldnt want rudy playing SF. hes too skinny and has short arms.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Not forgetting about Korver.
Just saying that Fernandez actually has a chance to be the best of the group. He didn’t in Portland. And TMac doesn’t have that chance either.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think you're mistaking me for one of the T Mac fanboys
I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the team, but I won’t be heartbroken if doesn’t come. I will say the nice thing about bringing in McGrady as opposed to Fernandez, is that we wouldn’t have to give up anything to get him here. I still don’t buy the idea that Portland is gonna just give him away for a draft pick. And I’m not sure what we have that they would want.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Rudy whined in Portland because he doesn't play enough minutes.
I think if he ends up in Chicago he’ll play substantial minutes. If brewer comes off the bench, i don’t see it as a problem. He is a good character guy, he’ll understand as long as he sees that the other guy is playing well compared to him.
Can Brewer play the 3?
In that case, that would basically put Brewer ahead of Korver.
Rotation like this:
2-Rudy 25, Brewer 15, Korver 6, Watson 2
3-Deng 30, Brewer 10, Korver 8
That means Brewer and Rudy play the same. Works, right?
On the point above about Korver playing 12 min.
I think that injuries will give the healthy players enough minutes. If Deng/Brewer and Rudy are each injured just 10% of the time, that’d put Korver at about 30 while they were out, or 0.3*30+0.7*14=19 min per game, which I think would be fine for his signing, right?
Time to move on from the McGrady talks
and on to the next one. I would have liked McGrady on the team but I’d rather make this move. Wonder what other teams might want Rudy as well that could offer a better package and what the Blazers will be looking for.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Is a pick + JJ really the best they can get for Rudy?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 27, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions
i don't think so..
but i think that’s the most the Bulls can do or shall i say should do. You don’t want to give up Taj, JJ, plus a pick for Rudy alone.
No way I give up Taj.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 27, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
You can’t give up Taj. That’d be like last year offering tyrus and a pick for Linas Kleiza, who was dead set on going back to Europe. Not exactly the same, but kinda.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 27, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Not if you already have a capable starter at the 2
Rudy is an offensive upgrade from Brewer, but not a defensive. And while Brewer lacks a reliable perimeter game (or even a perimeter game at all for that matter) he is not completely offensively challenged. He can still slash, run the floor and penetrate on his own. I keep my best backup big and Brewer over Rudy.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 27, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably
A first round pick and a young player sounds about right.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 27, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd much rather have Xavier Henry, another player known for being on the trading block...
The Game chose him !
As a Kansas fan
I love any Kansas alum being on the Bulls (yes, I liked Hinrich and Gooden). However, I do NOT think Xavier was ready for the NBA. He will be a solid player in 3-4 years, but if you want an impact player NOW, Xavier is NOT your best bet.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 27, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic, as many (well mainly one) bloggers here tend to think Xavier is available from Memphis,
although it is evidently not the case.
I also prefer Rudy’s known commodities (being a good player) to whatever Henry may become in a couple of years.
The Game chose him !
Evidently.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I tend to look at it the opposite way
First, I don’t know that Rudy is a known commodity. If we get last year’s version of Rudy, we’ll be sorely disappointed. Worse still, he’ll get mad and leave, and we’ll have given up a good young (OK, it’s Taj) big for one year of SG.
So basically, we’re guaranteed 4 years of Taj, and we know that’ll give us 25 quality mpg or so.
With Rudy, we’ve got very divergent outcomes. Maybe he steps up, and we get 3 years of very good play at a low price, but maybe he’s not that good. Or maybe he goes back to Spain. Those are real possibilities. So I give him a low chance of being a really good full time starter (say 20% that he’ll be a 30+ mpg guy, and split the rest that he is 25 mpg or that he either gets mad and leaves after a year, or is really not that good).
So basically, that’s an 80% chance he’s the same or worse than Taj. But he currently plays at a position we have more depth at.
I think X Henry is likely to be a decent player, and he could be a very good player. Plus, he’s locked in at a low price for 5 years, which is important to consider for a team that’s going to be capped out regardless and won’t be able to easily replace assets that don’t turn out.
So basically, I’d rate the three out like
1. Henry. Least proven, but I think he’s actually got the best chance to be a full-time, very good NBA starter. In short, highest ceiling. Floor is probably not much lower than the other guys, but you do have to figure he’s not great as a rookie. But he’s locked in for the longest time.
2. Taj. Least upside, but size is scarce, and we wouldn’t have an obvious replacement. Plus, he’s obviously not going to be a bust. He’s demonstrated he can play. And he’s locked in for four years.
3. Rudy. Lots of risk here. In two years, he hasn’t broken out, and he could get mad and quit. He’s got tempting talent, but you have to figure he hasn’t forced his way into a lineup after two years in the league. At best you’ve got him for three years, but if he doesn’t do well enough by his own subjective standard, he might bolt and leave you with a hole you can’t fill.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Despite your repeated snarkiness...I feel the need to correct you...
Rookie contracts are only four seasons long, with the fifth season being the qualifying offer…if the player on the rookie contract is good and gets an extension, that fifth year price is the first year of the extension (which, would presumably be higher for all three of the players in question) and not the qualifying offer…if the player signs the Q.O., then everyone will be up in arms (remember when BG signed the Q.O.)…
As you noted, Henry offers the most proverbial bang for the buck, with Rudy the least.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Despite your need to but in with a pedantic but nonetheless incorrect argument...
… the QO can be used to keep a player at a low price. Yes, everyone will be up in arms, but that doesn’t negate the point that it can and has been used that way by this team. Especially when it was locked into other long-term salaries.
Of course, you know all of this, which is what makes you annoying and the target of snark. Your need to try and correct others, even when it’s a matter of perspective and emphasis, rather than a truly correctable fact, is something you should try to work on.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Jul 28, 2010 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
D2.0 sucks!
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 28, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Which would be all well and good...
But that was not your original premise…you were basing your assumptions of the fifth year salary being paid at rookie scale, which you know is not the case for the vast majority of NBA players. Further, when pressed, you acknowledge that a quality player signing to play for the Q.O is such a failure by management to take advantage of an asset that the fanbase will react negatively. So, while realizing a monetary savings by having a player sign the Q.O. (however rare that instance may be), it is not a sound cap management strategy for a team to use long term.
Of course, you didn’t know any of this, because your faulty premise assumed that fifth year salary would be rookie scale.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 28, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Rudy will cost less
His 11-12 contract year is a team option.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 27, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
he’s known for being on the trading block? What does that mean?
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Is JJ plus a future 1st rounder worth it for Rudy?
Portland wants a future 1st round pick. Can we send the Bobcats first rounder?
I’d rather have Rudy over T-Mac.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
Agreed.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's stupid, but I love that Bobcats pick
I’d rather keep it. That could end up being a damn good thing down the road. It’s like a lotto ticket. I’d try to use something else to get him if they do want him (not sure what though)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Or it could end up being in the 15-20 spot and worthless.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Hence the "Lotto ticket" analogy.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
It's more certain than that
Tyger’s ballpark is better. Even with one offensive weapon, Larry Brown will get 40+ wins out of a bunch of defenders. He’s old man Skiles.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 27, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather give up a pick of our own
We should be better than the bobcats for the next couple of years, especially if we make this move
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Then I walk away and good luck to them when Rudy leaves them to Europe
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 27, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
We all agree.
The most that the Bulls should give up should they go after Rudy will be JJ +
Charlotte’s pick. That’s it.
by BULLysh on Jul 27, 2010 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Taj fits so well into this team right now.
Rudy fits less well. Regardless of the talent deficit between the two I’d keep Taj. He’s got three more years of cheap, perfect backup PF in him.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 27, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for agreeing with the talent deficit b/w the two
I was expecting 10 comments on why Taj is better than Rudy..
i agree
taj will be really useful on this team. i’m questioning the need to get someone who’s already unhappy with his minutes since we don’t have ALL that many to go around.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 27, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand why he won't have minutes to go around?
Is Brewer clearly that much better than Rudy? Even as Brewer’s backup I think there’s still plenty of minutes to go around for him.
how many minutes, though?
the guy plays 20 minutes a game now and bitches. he’s going to get more than that? brewer averaged like 30 mpg in utah. so even if rudy was the primary backup, he’s still getting fewer minutes. there’s no room at the 3 for him to play a few minutes either.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I see no reason to declare Brewer the starter right now.
Maybe Brewer ends up backing up Fernandez.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
fair enough
but i guess i’m just not convinced rudy is so great, and if he’s already complaining, there’s no guarantee there’s any more minutes for him here. it’s one thing if we get a vet who knows he’s going to get 15 min off the bench, and another thing to be whining about minutes that may or may not be warranted. it’s great to have competitive spirit and everything, but this dude is just gonna sulk. he’s not that good.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Rudy's minutes
Don’t get me wrong I really like Rudy and would love to have him on our team. But over the past 2 years in portland his only 2 years in the NBA Rudy averaged 24 minutes a game for his career and he’s been complaining. He won’t get that many minutes playing for the bulls when he’s sharing minutes with Korver, Brewer, and Watson. Even if he beats out Korver and Brewer for the starting spot he’s going to go to the bench early and often. If we can get him on the cheap I say do it I rather have him complaining the T-mac complaining. T-mac is a former superstar that will draw negative media attention to a team that does not need it. While Rudy to be plain honest is an NBA player that nobody in the media cares about. His complaining would be ignored by the media and would be able to be dealt with in private with coaches and players. One final note I think Rudy was complaining about playing time during the past season because B-Roy went down with an injury and Rudy saw no increase in his minutes if he came to a team where the players ahead of him were outplaying him I feel he is realistic (unlike T-mac) and would sit down and shut up. I don’t think we heard him say a word when B-Roy was healthy and suting up.
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 27, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's being paired up with Noah or Asik, Deng could play spot minutes at PF
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
To finish that thought, which would open minutes at SF for Brewer and/or Korver
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
is that going to happen too often though?
i question moving deng over now that we actually have a starting PF that isn’t named taj. taj played 27 minutes a game last year. he’ll be lucky to sniff that this season unless boozer misses significant time.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Everyone goes small for long spurts in today's NBA, I don't see why the Bulls shouldn't
Especially if it’s done to open up minutes for good players. Even if it’s done for just 5 min a half, that’s 10 extra minutes a game available at SF.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
i really don't see them giving deng
10 minutes a game at PF. 38 min between taj and boozer? not gonna happen.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
The is under the supposition that Taj has been traded for Rudy
So we’re talking more like 34-36 for Boozer and couple minutes to throw as a bone to Kirk.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
doh
you’re right.
well then yeah, lu is the primary backup to the 4 in that case… which i also don’t like particularly. but yeah it would open up some minutes for korver, brewer, or even rudy at the 3… i dunno. i’m just not sold that it’s the right move.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Making Luol Deng the back up PF
Seems pretty counter-productive. I’d agree Rudy is better than Taj, but the difference between Brewer and Rudy is not as great as the difference between Taj and whoever we find to play PF.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
In the course of a season, it's not that big a difference. In the long run, though, Rudy has
the upside to make it worth taking a chance on.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
What evidence do you have that Deng at PF is counter-productive?
They also have everyone’s favorite vet Kurt Thomas and two other centers that are athletic enough to play PF.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Whose Kirk?
I thought we traded that guy to Washington? and he never played at the 4 lol
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 27, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Hinrich = Kurt, Thomas = Kirk
Can’t use Thomas because that just reminds me of Tyrus =(. Gotta keep the joke going to constantly remind us all of VDN’s stupidity and how the team’s better off without it.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
LOL
Why cant he just be Kurt or KT? How about that?
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 27, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Deng's played plenty of minutes at PF and has done more than fine there.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The greatest need on this team right now is more shooting and another ball handler in the starting line up
Rudy provides both. While Taj would be a nice piece to have around when Boozer and Noah miss time, he’s still just a back up big.
Problem is, Bulls have nothing else they could trade straight up for Rudy. The Blazers already have far too many wings to want to add on JJ. Plus, a trade of JJ for Rudy doesn’t work. The only other players on the team who can be traded before December are Rose, Deng, Noah, and Asik. A deal including Asik would run into the same problems as he makes as much as Johnson.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
The Bulls front court is
Noah
Boozer
Gibson
Asik
Thomas
For 3 years this front court will be tops in rebounding. Thats an undeniable advantage of this team. With Rose providing the ball handling and shots, the front court will feast on his misses. Shooting can be found, and if the Bulls are patient they’ll find a shooter that fits well. But don’t break up this front court due to desperation for a malcontent shooter.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 27, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like that front court rotation too, but Rudy's more than just a shooter. He's an athletic playmaker
who could make the starting 5 potent on both sides of the court. I’m tired of watching the “effort” offenses the Bulls have had for the last 6 seasons. Relying on mid range shooting and offensive rebounding doesn’t even get you to average. I want to watch a team that actually has multiple players who can create for themselves and others. If Rudy returns to where he was his rookie season, we may actually get to watch an above average offense for a change.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Jul 27, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man, I dunno
I’m a proponent of getting Rudy, but I think we’re pretty late in the summer game to be trading Taj. Yes, Rudy would potentially start, but Taj will be the first big off the bench. Both Noah and Boozer have injury histories. If I had some sort of feel for Asik being a legitimate player out of gates, I’d be more OK with it, but I think we’d be trading one hole for another.
If a future 1st and JJ can’t get it done, it’d just have to not get done.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Jul 27, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I share this opinion..
If this was the start of free agency, I’d feel a lot better about replacing Taj. Unless there is someone else in mind that can replace him, seems like a big risk to take.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no
way we should be parting with Taj Gibson, James Johnson, and a first round draft pick for Rudy fucking Fernandez.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 27, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The most I'd give up
is JJ so that our forums doesn’t have a scapegoat lol and a 2 round pick maybe a first but it would have to be our first because its going to be a late draft pick anyway. On second thought if JJ is traded I can see you guys jumping on Luol’s back for his big contract and I wouldn’t agree with any of you on that. Ok he is overpaid but when healthy he is a very productive SF
by bdasilva7785 on Jul 27, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If it weren't for the injury issues with both Noah and Boozer, I think this would be an easy decision
Still, I like Rudy’s potential enough to take the chance that the team suffers in the front court when they do miss time this season. If it gets bad enough, Korver and Brewer are both on reasonable deals and can be traded after Dec 15.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
If they want Taj then I would do Rudy for Taj and that's it.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
What about this:
JJ + Bobcats pick + Bulls 2012 pick + Bulls 2012 2nd round pick
for
Rudy + Blazers pick
Would this be any better?
I just like the idea of having Rudy as our 6th man
rather than people suggesting Tmac as our 6th man.
by BULLysh on Jul 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You do not give up Taj for Rudy! But Iwould definately be trying to either move Lu....
and put Brewer at the 3 and start Rudy at the 2 or move JJ + a pick to make it happen. Nothing more nothing less.
Don't give up Taj!
Give up a better player!
by runningman on Jul 27, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
Okay so we all don't agree to what i proposed earlier...JJ+Charlotte's pick
Some are inclined to giving up Taj. I don’t think that would be ideal for the Bulls. I’d hate giving up Charlotte’s pick because it could be a lottery pick knowing how the East has improved considerably. Plus, he might leave the NBA and then you gave up your best back up PF for a rental. I say management try to give JJ+Charlottes pick+our own future pick. That is it. If Portland still doesn’t bite then move on. We already have a good line up.
you act like giving up a backup PF for a rental is unheard-of...
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 27, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I say sign this guy, let him prove he can take brewer's place
or earn sig. minutes in the rotation. Sign Eddie House as our back up shooter and ECF, here we come
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
If David Kahn had any sort of brain
he would be all over this. Do anything he can, short of trading Wes Johnson and Kevin Love, to get Rudy Fernandez. B/c if he gets Rudy in the fold, he may be able to entice Rubio to come over from Spain and form an all Spanish back court. But he’s probably looking for more point guards to acquire…
As for the Bulls, its a no brainer. Its just a question of if we have the assets.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
I'd trade Wes Johnson, but that's because I think he's going to suck. He blew it not drafting Cousins.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also don't think Rudy would want to play in Minnesota.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not...
…but the Rubio thing makes a lot of sense. Rubio, Fernandez, Johnson, Love, Pekovic seems like a decently potentially okay team. Throw in some Ridnour, Milicic, Brewer, meh, they could do worse, as Kahn is clearly trying to show.
Then again, I could see Kahn screwing it all up and getting Rubio and Fernandez allied against Minnesota’s org.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Rubio, Fernandez, Love, and Pekovic would make that the most FIBA like of any team. If they got a good SF
(read: not Wes Johnson), they could be a really fun watch. One thing I don’t get, though, is why Kahn is trying to install the triangle if Rubio is his franchise guy. The triangle requires very little of your PG besides being a good entry passer and sticking corner jumpers. Rubio’s main weakness? Shooting the ball. It makes no sense. It takes away everything that makes him special. They should bring in a more traditional coach (Dwane Casey – would be ironic and perfect) to run that squad.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Kahn is stupid.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 27, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, yeah. But it's so glaringly obvious. I swear he just thought that the triangle was some magical cure all that fit
and worked with all players, when in reality it requires very specific roles to be filled and he’s done a shit job at filling those roles.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kahn has become so fun to rip on
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 27, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Minnesota Fans
screaming “Bring back McHale!”
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 27, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
supposedly this triangle thing is not meant to be permanent. its a kind of teaching
tool, to teach the young guys how to play correctly. or something.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Considering it's supposed to be the most complicated offensive system out there, that's a very interesting
way to try to teach your young players
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
by snley on Jul 27, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh, maybe Kahn will have his next stop in Chicago
We seem to like this approach
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Trade Hinri-
Wait.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 27, 2010 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
if we had brad
id be okay with trading asik, jj, and first rounder for rudy…
how about deng and taj for rudy and camby?? Brewer can fill the 3 just fine
rose/watson
rudy/brewer/korver
Brewer/JJ/Korver
Boozer/Camby/thomas
Noah/Asik/thomas
thats not a bad team at all right there, and theres even more flexibility than before….The biggest concern for the bulls would be at the pf spot…both camby and boozer are known to go down to injury. Thomas and asik can always fill in for them in a pinch, but if both go down at around the same time…we would be in a bit of a trouble. Offensively i thinkk the sf spot gets a bit weaker, although i think brewer can do the same sort of defensive things and while not as good as a rebound, can rebound well at the sf spot.
offensively this team does get a lot better, and it becomes even more competetive. Best news is that in 3 years we will have so much flexibility in terms of capspace…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
With Oden's history, Camby's not going anywhere. Plus they resigned him so he couldn't be traded until Dec
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
they still have joel
and they are getting back a healthier big whos not bad…
espn trade machine allowed the the trade of camby, it wouldnt let me trade brewer, korver, boozer, or asik…but it had no problems with camby…not saying that the trade machine is the end all of all trade arguments, but it does do a good job pertaining to what is a legal trade and what not….
miller/bayless
Roy/matthews
Deng/Batum/babitt
Aldridge/taj/pendegraph
Oden/Joel
its not a bad team at all for them…i suppose they still need another solid center though…but 1-4 they are so set
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Is Przybilla even playing this year? He ruprtured his patella in the shower back in April
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
that seems overly optimistic
are we sure Pritchard got fired?
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
i liked the way the celtics used ray allen
i think fernandez, if used in the same fashion, could be a great get. using screens, curls, and misdirections to free himself up for catch-and-shoot opportunities is his game, too. it’s going to cost the bulls draftpicks though.
maybe you could turn james johnson into fernandez and patty mills.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Don't have a lot to dangle to Portland for Rudy...
…unless it’s Taj or we get involved in a bigger trade scenario. A straight up trade with Portland would have to be Taj or a future first rounder or both, since Portlnd can’t take back more salary than Rudy gives away…
by streamsowhiskey on Jul 27, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
Okay, say if the Bulls did trade Taj for Rudy.
What are the options to fill Taj’s spot as backup PF?
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 27, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
Joe Smith, Tim Thomas, Malik Allen, Anthony Tolliver, Steve Novak, Brian Skinner, Shavlik Randolph, Oleksiy Pecherov
Ike Diogu, Sean Marks, Louis Amundson, Sean May
That’s a lot of effort to say “nobody all that interesting.” If the team does do a Taj-Rudy swap, they’d still have cap space to use in a trade for someone like Brandon Bass.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Ha. Thanks for that.
What a “blah” list.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 27, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, you can scratch Shavlik Randolph off the list.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 27, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the Brandon Bass idea better than those guys
I realized you left James Johnson off the list
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
I was only listing FAs, don't consider JJ much in regards to regular role in the rotation.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Korver, Deng, Kurt Thomas, Josh Boone, Rod Benson, Pops Mensa-Bonsu, Shavlick Randolph
It might be a slight downgrade that strictly having Gibson there for 16 mpg, but I don’t see it as horrible. Definitely worth the trade off.
(oh, and all the guys Snley mentioned, too)
(oh, and any player who makes less than the Bulls have left in cap space that a team might not want)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Korver at PF!?! What?
And Shavlick just signed with the Heat.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
For when the Bulls face the Warriors
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 27, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is it definitely worth the trade off?
Deng is worse at PF, and Korver is worse than Deng at SF. You’ve made us weaker at two positions for a guy who may not even be better than Brewer, and that may leave the country after a year, and is already known for complaining about minutes?
This was a great idea a month ago. It’s just pointless now. This is just like the guy who wanted to add Pietrus & Gortat a month after it no longer made sense. If you can get him without moving Taj Gibson, go for it, but otherwise it’s just at best a wash.
Brewer has a higher eFG% & TS%, plays better defense, is bigger, signed cheap and wants to be here. Why would we want to add Rudy Fernandez at the expense of our 3rd big man? Fernandez is no longer worth trading Taj Gibson for. There was a time that he was, and that might have been the better move at the time than what we did, but it’s too late for it to make sense now.
If it’s JJ and draft picks, fine, but to trade Taj for him doesn’t make sense.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 27, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
jimmy johns was a higher pick at a higher salary
gotta think the blazers would specifically not want him in any deal.
sad to say, but a rudy ready to bolt overseas isn’t worth our ancient backup power forward (taj, not thomas!), though if he comes to chicago and does a ray allen (elder days) impersonation under thibs, that statement will look pretty ridiculous.
portland already has: oden and pryzbilla at c, camby and lma at pf/c, and cunningham, pendergraph as “taj lite(s)” (plus babbitt). that’s major depth unless everyone gets injured again. no minutes for taj anyway.
a late first round pick sounds about right for a whining (even if it only seems that way due to the culture), ready to victor-himself-on-home, non-defense playing sg. i would think new york, among others, would be interested. and maybe they’d have a player to include at $1mil scale…. but at some point, the blazers need to stop collecting bodies.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
and there would be plenty of minutes available on the bulls for rudy fernandez
because of inevitable injuries, even if brewer and fernandez figure to log 24 minutes each with a 100% healthy roster, their season averages will be higher, equivalent to their career average.
if rudy can bomb threes at 40%, he’ll be happy with his playing time and contribution to this bulls’ roster.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
ronnie's average
is more like 30 if you consider that his rookie season he only played 12 min a game, only played in 56 games, and only started 14. once he became the starting 2 he played a lot more. even with the 12 minutes a game he still has averaged more than 26 a game…
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
i know that, 26 minutes career and 4 years of 12, 28, 32, and 30
i also know his best year for 3pt shooting was 26%. not good.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
he's still about as efficient as rudy
because of how he gets his points. he doesn’t take too many threes because of this.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Right...
I would think Portland could trade him to the Bulls for a future first round pick and cash considerations…I understand that money is not an issue for that team, but the way they are collecting assets, it makes little sense for them to seek out the salary of JJ or the redundant skills of a Taj…and I doubt any team is going to offer them an upgrade at any of their positions for a shooting guard who is threatening to take his skills to the South of Spain…
As we have all noted, in the past Portland has had a pretty high asking price (refusal to deal) for their players…so maybe they wait for a team like New Orleans to dangle Chris Paul, then offer Oden and Fernandez…?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Blazeredge's fans want Rudy for Xavier
I guess that would lead to mass suicide in BaB
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 27, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
If tyger is more than one person, than sure.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 27, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I went ahead and made the order for 4 pounds of cyanide.
Any mention of Janerro Pargo, let me know and we’ll adjust accordingly.
no thanks.
its funny that there are more people on board with signing someone openly asking for a trade because he wants more minutes than people who want a guy who is asking for a chance to prove himself during training camp
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
because one has working legs
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
and a healthy back
that’s the biggest thing, to me, that stands in the way of T-Mac returning to any sort of form. He might get his knee right, but his back issues aren’t going away.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Xavier Henry or Rudy Fernandez?
If we are willing to give up Taj, than I don’t know who I’d rather have Henry or Rudy. I think Taj could get you Rudy, and at least get Memphis to listen to your offer. Both guys have not proven crap in the NBA, and I have significant doubts about both guys. Rudy is more versatile, Henry may have the bigger upside at this point.
The question is whether or not Taj can get any better or do the Bulls believe he has reached his potential. I think coming into this season, their is more space for Taj than for a back up 2 guard. But beyond, those guys could be more valuable.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions
If Fernandez hasn't proven crap, than neither has Taj.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
No one's asking Taj to be a starting power forward.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 27, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Henry and Fernandez aren't either, are they?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
well you want Deng there :-p
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i think he played a lot better than Rudy last year
He was better offensively and defensively. With Rudy its still potential. I think we know what Taj can do.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This is interesting
Just an FYI, most Blazer fans would be stoked to get Taj for Rudy. We’d likely throw in someone like Pendergraph if you wanted him or a pick.
Taj would be perfect to back up LA for 15 minutes a game.
| MC2PDX | Horf2PDX | Cho4GM | Grif4AGM | JVG4HC | 1/5
Tyrus still > LMA!
oh, who am I kidding :-*(
BaB on Twitter | BaB on Facebook
"Don't nag, flag!"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 27, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I tell ya man
Right now there are people there who have probably flipped and would take Tyrus over LA. Everyone over there wants to trade him for Varejao – over the lack of hustle from him.
Tyrus was infuriating from what I’ve read but at least he went hard at both ends right?
| MC2PDX | Horf2PDX | Cho4GM | Grif4AGM | JVG4HC | 1/5
Tyrus had a nasty tendency to not run the floor hard.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh
That always sucks. Nothing like an obvious lack of effort to turn fans against you.
| MC2PDX | Horf2PDX | Cho4GM | Grif4AGM | JVG4HC | 1/5
Yeah, but he was still awesome.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 27, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You would have thought that would have been enough to turn the fans against him...
But check out some of the threads when he was traded for First round pick, Acie Law and Flip Murray…you would have thought they traded away the next KG (because his defense was so good)
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 27, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I like Cunningham better than Pendergraph
but I think its a deal worth looking at.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 27, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
But so do we!! : P
Rudy/Inferno for Taj/1st would work.
Why did you guys have to dump Hinrich – we would’ve done Rudy and Przy for him this offseason I reckon.
| MC2PDX | Horf2PDX | Cho4GM | Grif4AGM | JVG4HC | 1/5
it was all apart of the plan
Pat rileys plan……
i was all for hinrich in portland…that wouldve been awesome…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
NBA Playoffs Content Module
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Ball Don't Lie - NBA - Yahoo! Sport
- Shaquille O’Neal is in a Chinese beer commercial, too (VIDEO)
- ‘Deep Thoughts’ and Cheap Thoughts: San Antonio Spurs vs. Oklahoma City Thunder
- C-a-C: This is probably as close to LeBron James working with John Waters as we’ll ever get
- Dwyane Wade’s hot pink pants: The kind of thing you can get away with when you drop 41
- Lamar Odom to New York? Dwight Howard on the move? For now, it’s all talk
