Tracy McGra-day
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:11 AM CDT
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PrintFirst reported by Marc Stein over the weekend, the Bulls are working out Tracy McGrady today, and Stein expects an agreement to be reached if T-Mac proves he's healthy and willing to come off the bench.
It's possible he is indeed healthier than he looked last season, since he was coming off of microfracture surgery and supposedly those take more than a year to fully heal. And forget what he was in his prime (that's not happening), an aged McGrady can fill in a role here as a bench player, maybe even 6th man. He can take the scoring and ballhandling load for a few minutes, and even if inefficient that's not the worst chore to simply lessen the burden on Rose.
But while it makes sense that McGrady's situation now finds himself humbled in a reduced role, I can't believe he won't cause a stink over minutes (and simply sitting behind Ronnie Brewer) until I see it. He's guilty until proven innocent in that regard, and this team is trying to be a sum-greater-than-parts hard workers that rookie coach (remember that?) Thibodeau can simply worry about coaching and not 'handling'.
Worth noting that McGrady's agent is Reinsdorf pal Arn Tellem.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 26, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
Wouldn't it be low risk?
The guy will be making basically nothing, you can just cut him if he doesn’t pan out.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this has been the roundabout
in a few other threads. I’m about to go full-speed copy and paste mode on somebody trying to convince me McGrady will be such a cancerous asshole.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if those people are right, what does it matter?
They would just cut him if he actually is that much of a douche.
Carlos Boozer is a high risk. Injury prone, long term contract for a ton of money. A guy signing at the minimum to be a back up can not be high risk, it’s not possible. Unless you think he’s going to bring guns into the locker room, the only risk is him pulling a Vinny and getting into a fight with Paxson when he gets cut for bitching about playtime.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be a heck of a 6th man if he's healthy.
He doesn’t have to be the man he can just pick on second units. I think it’s a great fit if he’s willing to play the part.
by SoulEater7 on Jul 26, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
well well well
look who came crawling back..
I'm cuckoo for Kukoc!!!
by Yibs on Jul 26, 2010 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 11 recs
JR is signing TMac is part of the LeBron 2020 campaign
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
lebron will still be good in 2020.
by obnoxious american on Jul 26, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Like MJ was good on the Wizards?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
MJ was good on the wiz
actually, you can argue he was their best player
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Meh
He was atrocious defensively at that point in his career.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
There's some significant statistical evidence
that almost all of the positive value Jordan brought to the Wizards was on defense.
by Scotter on Jul 26, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I will take your word for it
So I stand corrected.
I just remember him having NO footspeed whatsoever at the time, and this was a few years before I started understanding advanced NBA statistics.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
That is what I meant...
MJ was good on the Wizards, but that is the end of it…he was a shell of his former great self…That is Lebron is 2020.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
i have a belief
that LBJ will be the next penny hardaway.
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
i was making a joking comment more directed toward mcgrady.
i do remember jordan droppin fiddy a time or two though on the wizards.
by obnoxious american on Jul 26, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
plus won't lebron be 33 in 2020?
hardy farfetched to think he’ll still be alright.
by obnoxious american on Jul 26, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm happy you asked
I was confused by this too
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I THINK! We need McGrady or a tall more versitile 2
Tell him he could compete, to keep Brewer on his toes. Besides Brewer is just a little better Tony Allen, a solid backup that could step into a starter role with a 10 to 18 foot jump shot. Let us be real for a second! Even with T-Mac on the bench and Brewer starting, Korver should be the 1st off the pine to give Rose and Boozer more room to work. Back to T-Mac. he does give up D to Brewer but he commands more attention from the defence, which is better for our leader D Rose. McGrady WAS a solid starter cause of T-Mac, Brewer was solid cause he was with the Jazz! Playing along side of 4 players with par or above Js left room for Brewer to slash and make cuts, hey do you really want Deng and a Deng replica with less of a J (Tony Allen) starting with our leader who reportedly improved his 3-ball game but bread and butter is going to the hole? Space we need space, make it harder for teams to double Rose. BUT I’m not a NBA coach, so what do I know!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Hopefully T-Mac's work with Grover combined with this being his second year since microfracture will allow him
to return to being a useful player.
He would help the Bulls if he can provide ball handling and playmaking when Derrick is sitting (he’s still a much better passer than CJ Watson). But I just can’t see him being happy with being the what, 9th man?
Guys that will almost certainly be ahead of him in the rotation: Rose, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Taj, Korver, Watson
That’s 8 guys by my count, and since T-Mac is primarily a SG/SF, he’s got Brewer, Deng, Watson and Korver all ahead of him in the rotation.
I just don’t see it.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
If McGrady can give us decently efficient scoring, and solid rebounding and assists (say, maybe 16-17 PER type stuff)
I’d say this will be an amazing signing, and one of the more important ones of the off-season. I have my doubts that he’ll be able to do that this year, even in ~20 mpg.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 26, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I see no evidence that T-Mac can give us any sort of efficiency scoring. His TS% hasn't been above 50% since 06-07
and even his career average is a meager 52%. He’s never been a super efficient guy with the exception of his 02-03 dominant MVP level year. He’s contributed with excellent passing and good rebounding numbers with ridiculously high usage and low turnover rates. His TS% used to be adequate because of everything else he brought to the table. Now he brings less of that stuff with much worse scoring efficiency and no defense. He’s not worth the risk, to me.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Where the hell is all this "risk" coming from.
Does it live next door to the flying spaghetti monster?
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Bulls have to be built on chemistry and trust and being greater than the sum of their parts. If T-Mac starts whining
about minutes, he could very easily splinter the lockerroom and make Thibs’ job a lot more difficult than it needs to be.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
The only way I can see that is if he's out performing the players playing ahead of him
Other than that they are making it pretty clear that their isn’t a guaranteed starting role for him. And if he is out performing them then he should be getting more minutes.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
We're not sure what their chemistry looks like
What if Boozer ends up being the cancer? We don’t know how this team is going to mesh together. I say it’s worth it.
that could certainly happen
but there’s risk in introducing another variable
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not the same at all.
Boozer is locked into our biggest contract of the summer. Not to mention, we actually expect him to play one of the biggest roles on the team. We’re all kinds of fucked if he goes sideways.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup, yup... I think we all have this in the back of our minds
But the “Presence down low” Euphoria has made that concern fall by the wayside. If you add-in YFBB’s point about introducing new players to this chemistry set, this whole team looks like it is one wrong mixture away from the pavement.
But stepping back, we are well to remember that our three primary holdovers of Deng, Rose, and Noah are high-character, high-talent guys who have already had to try to mesh will malcontents: Hughes and Tyrus. The guys we brought in to replace them (Flip and Warrick) we received amicably because they were more humble verterans. I would characterize our FAs, including Boozer, as those type of guys. McGrady is the ONLY outlier. He’s outnumbered by no-nonsense guys with a shit ton of talent. If McGrady starts complaining, I think he will stick out like a sore thumb.
Thus, I think our only problem comes if he brings one of the high-character guys over to the darkside. If he either complains about Brewer to the point where neither is comfortable in the locker room or if Rose, Boozer, or Noah start clamoring for increased TMac PT, we are in trouble. Only then does this team look like a house of cards. Right now we are a brick shithouse and McGrady only gives the potential, not the certainty, of putting it on edge.
The main problem is that if T-Mac acts like an asshole, it’s much harder to just release him if he has built relationships with other players. To an extent, it is the T.O. in Philadelphia conundrum.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
taking risk
means the Bulls want to win!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
by Emperor Si on Jul 26, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Like the tagline
But want to see part of that headline be: LeBron stagnant, Wade injures pinky nail, Bosh becomes invisible basketball player as Noah, Rose, and Boozer ice the Heat.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't foresee Boozer being a problem
It’s FAR more likely that TMac causes unrest. I don’t think it’s worth it for our 3rd/4th guy off the bench. Just sign a shooter who will be ok with 10-15 minutes, like Mason.
LMFAO
the irony of that is that Roger Mason refused to re-sign with San Antonio because he wanted to start.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
Well, guess what?
Guys who last this long into free agency without a job usually don’t end up playing starter’s minutes.
by pooriejay on Jul 26, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
True
Which sucks for Mason. But he’d whine about minutes just as much as T-Mac would, without the decent playmaking ability.
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"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
by Cosmis on Jul 26, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The differences between Mason and TMac are pretty obvious.
Mason has never been close to a superstar at the NBA level. TMac feels entitled because he used to be an MVP-caliber player and is still a household name. I don’t think Mason would be a distraction at all.
by pooriejay on Jul 26, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If they bring him in,
they should be sure to make it very clear to him exactly where he is in the pecking order. If he agrees but then makes a stink a couple of months into the season, cut him. It’s not like we’ll suffer for it; our roster is deep enough to make his leaving inconsequential.
util the practice
I don’t think they know the pecking order! Well the shouldn’t
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
This isn't rookie camp.
Each of these guys are known commodities. I’d be shocked if Thibs hasn’t already worked out his lineup. Thibs has tons of tape on each of the guys we’ve brought in.
As of now it’s likely:
Rose/Watson
Brewer/Korver(McGrady here if he signs)
Deng/JJ/Korver
Booz/Gibson
Noah/Asik/Thomas
JJ is terrible
he shouldnt even be mentioned on the list
SF
Deng/Korver/Brewer/me/JJ
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
by Jivas on Jul 26, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he's 'certainly' behind 6th man
I’d imagine Brewer or Deng is the first guy sitting.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, but even then if Deng sits first don't you think Korver is the first guy off the bench?
Even if Brewer sits first, I still think it’s likely that Korver is the guy that replaces him. I don’t think they got Korver for 5 million a year to sit behind a washed up T-Mac.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoever fits in the best in the rotation will play.
Coaches are not going to make decisions based on salary. GM’s might but not coaches. Everyone’s going to have to earn their spots.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
That's a nice theory but it's not how these things work in practice. Coaches are painfully aware of how much guys make
and guys that are overpaid also get overplayed, a lot.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Offering Tracy McGrady a non garaunteed contract is not a risk.
If you want a risk, trying beating off with Elmer’s glue and not getting any in your peckerhole. Or goddamn, take a look at Gilbert Arenas and his contract.
Tracy Mcgrady has no leverage, no power, and no influence.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
if he signs, I'd be it would be for all the Bulls remaining cap space.
so it’d be a guaranteed deal around $3m.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Has that been suggested anywhere?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
meant to type *I'd bet
so it’s me suggesting it, right here.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, yeah read it as a statement not a suggestion.
Considering the Bulls have low balled every other free agent, I don’t see why that’s a safe assumption, but I guess at the same time they don’t have any other use for the money.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah.
Even you cannot edit your own posts!
Give us 5 minute editing windows please, it’ll improve the quality of the blog so much.
but then we wouldn't have typo police!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That should have been punctuated with a ?
I’m asking, on a one year deal, second year non-garaunteed or something like that?
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, something like that
but I can’t see him signing a ‘non-risk’ (for the Bulls) contract that they can simply cut
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
When I say cut
I mean buyout, or just continue to pay to not be there. Not cut outright like he’s an NFL player.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
you didn't mean anything, I wasn't replying to you
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
What I'm trying to say is that used to be one of my favorite players
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 26, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm going to bet it's a two year deal
3m the first year and the second year non-guaranteed based on performance. I’ll base that off of what they offered Raja Bell.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
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by J Theory on Jul 26, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
makes sense to me
Not that he has much other interest, but $3m means it’d be more than other teams can offer with the BAE, for example.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Or Noah...
As McGrady subs for him and the team goes small…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I really don't think that the coaches will say your going to be the 9th man
When practices start and the preseason then I think the coaches will set in the rotation. You just got to explain that a starting job is not likely. I don’t think that they go into this actually promising starting jobs to anyone they have signed.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Well, that's why you let him know ahead of time
If he’s not willing to accept that situation, he can find a job somewhere else. You give him the information he needs to make the right decision. He’s not a dumb guy. For him, second year off his surgery, it might make sense to come here. Maybe his thinking is that he can show he’s healthy in a part time role, while playing with a strong supporting cast, and if there is no lockout, sign a better deal in 2011. He’s only 31, it’s not like he’s 40.
Best case, he actually is healthy and we have good Tracy McGrady for a year.
Worst case, he’s not healthy and worse, he’s a bad teammate and complains about playtime, so you cut him and sign a different 10th man.
I just don’t see much of a downside here.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Grover might help, but let's not expect him to work miracles.
But for what is roughly Chris Duhon money, McGrady would be a good signing.
(…especially if Reinsdorf has secretly developed a method to replace McGrady’s skeleton with adamantium. )
by KentuckyBullsFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
While not quite the drama queen of an Allen Iverson,
He has a history of bitching about minutes going back to his late Rocket days.
Of course, it be great if McGrady could accept who he is and take on the Grant Hill role, but Hill has always been an unselfish player.
If I were the Bulls, I would exhaust the possibility of potentially signing Eddie House or pursuing a trade for Fernandez before attempting to turn back the clock on McGrady.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jul 26, 2010 10:31 AM CDT reply actions
And give up what?
Gibson, Korver, CJ, or Ronnie
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Portland has historically over valued their players.
I wouldn’t give up Taj, but if Portland was desperate enough, perhaps we could offer a salary dump for them.
Doug Thonus tweeted a trade of
like an idea I read on realgm. Przy + Rudy for JJ + trade exception.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jul 26, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
how old is this idea?
Bulls don’t have the space to absorb Przybilla anymore
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Forgot about that.
Sam Smith to the rescue!
Rudy Fernandez: Things can change, but all indications are Fernandez finally is available from Portland. They’ve always asked for a lot, so who knows. I wouldn’t give up Gibson and a No. 1. Portland is said at least to want a No. 1. I’d do it, lottery or top 10 protected. Fernandez didn’t play well when Brandon Roy was hurt, and coach Nate McMillan is said to be down on him. He’s a guy who can put up points quick and is exciting and is better than McGrady has been for several years.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let's get him and McGrady
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
reallly really want Eddie House
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
FWIW, I suspect Hill wouldn't be as unselfish if he was told you're coming off the bench and on a NG contract
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
You guys are being a little stupid
In that you’re saying McGrady will complain about minutes, but then suggesting we get guys like Roger Mason or Rudy Fernandez instead, both of whom have been whining about minutes since they came into the league (Rudy especially).
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by Cosmis on Jul 26, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yup
People act like anyone else that comes in will fall right in line and not care about sitting. Every team has playing time issues, with all kinds of players. McGrady wouldn’t be the only guy that wants minutes
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, isn't it a good problem to have
on a team with so many questions marks???? Deng & Taj injuries, Brewer and Korver far from being all-star locks.
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OK, se he or may not be as big a cancer as Rudy/Mason
But it’s still a much larger risk taking on T-Mac as appose to players who are still young and who you know will contribute something.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jul 26, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
mcgrady gives the best opportunity
with the current roster the bulls look like a 3rd seed at best in the east. the only way to POSSIBLY significantly improve the roster is by adding mcgrady who if he proves to be healthy could be a significant scoring threat. If not the bulls would remain as second tiered team and mcgrady will simply be a 3million a yr. player sitting on the bench. Signing eddie house would do nothing for this team, he didnt even play in boston last year, instead boston went out and traded him for nate robinson and signed finley.
Random thought
BUT who actually started this McGrady-kills-team-chemistry rumors? Ive only heard of him bitching about minutes when he’s trying to get back on the court or askin for a trade…meanwhile ALL of his team’s chemistry stays intact, and matter of fact, Houston seemed to ride for TMac a lot during his injury prone days and he was always the biggest supporter on the bench. Also, I find it pretty cool that he gets a lot of love from his former teammates. Just sayin: Why is TMac labeled ant the next MCants?
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
it's more a distraction than anything
I don’t think it’d ‘ruin’ anything, but it’d be unnecessary.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're right at that point
if he becomes bitchy he becomes unnecessary and he can go go play with Tim Thomas.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure the Bulls have the Tim Thomas buyout forms ready
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How can we really assess the risks?
People keep suggesting that he’s going to get signed to a 1 year deal, or a deal that’s not guaranteed. How does anyone know this?
Because it's the most logical and obvious outcome
Why would they sign him to a multi-year deal?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would the Bulls give Pargo $2 million when no other team offered him $1?
by Stay Chisel on Jul 26, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
They made a horrific mistake, I think that's the obvious answer.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
they do everything right, except when they don’t.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
On the glass half full side of things:
Perhaps last year’s disastrous end of the roster decisions were so bad that somebody (more competent) is really having a major say in the signings this year. No 40 year old bench coach in Hunter, no Pargo and no Gray.
The sick thing was that Gray kind of held out a bit. If a 15 mil player holds out on the org I think they get blackballed, Lamar Odom/Buss style. Guess that’s just how Gray rolls though.
Chris Paul is
very uspset that the White Panther is their only FA signing
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 26, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Who said they do everything right?
I mention their mistakes all the time.. you just ignore it so you can be an ass.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously...
Krause wanted to trade Pippen for this guy, we tried to sign him in 2000, and now 10 years later he is available…
Reinsdorf has said that he likes to take chances on formerly great players with something to prove…
Everything from the org. indicates to me that TMac will be a Bull…and probably the next whipping boy of this blog (now that Kirk is gone).
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
lmao @ the whipping boy part
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 26, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hi there!
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I wish somebody was blogging from McGrady's workout location
I like to know how GarPax are working out McGrady and evaluating him.
I waiting on coach Thib's thoughts,
on T-Mac and the rest of the team! how happy does this make the defencive minded coach,or not!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Really Sam...
This is the only way that makes sense to add McGrady, and perhaps the best test to determine if he’s serious:
You sign him to a veterans’ minimum unguaranteed as a 14th man. You list him inactive for the first three months of the season, let him work with the team and train with the team’s training staff and not his own. Gauge how serious he is and his condition. Also, let the team meld and develop.
Then once you have a team set and rolling into February, you begin to bring McGrady along if you still believe he can help you in the playoffs. There’s plenty of time. If he won’t go for that, it means he’s still Me-Mac and about himself.
McGrady’s going to strip down and work out for the Bulls Monday. If only we could have seen him in his youth.
That sounds like a great way to get the boat rocking from day one.
it is so frustrating that the best place to chat about the bulls is dominated by a whiny drama queen moderator with a man crush on an average SG......6 recs
by BigforkBullsFan on Jul 26, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol, why not just make him be Benny the Bull until the All-Star break?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 26, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Sam Smith is an ignorant slut
he is more humor columnist than journalist at this point. This is satire right?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly what I was getting at in the other thread
I mean, jeez. Why not invite Michael Ray Richardson in for an interview and set up a big table full of coke?
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Jul 26, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, you treat more sensitive people aggressively.
Makes a lot of sense hahaha.
This is the type of guy that you stay on top of, keep a hands on approach, at the very least keep a watchful eye. If he’s comfortable, he’ll likely at least be a good veteran contributor to the younger guys. If he’s healthy and playing well, he could foreseeably become a perfect backup if somebody gets injured, playing 20-25 minutes a game at the same level as a Deng or Brewer (if they got injured and Tmac were playing well).
Anything in between is good, but so long as there is no locker room issue, and I really doubt he wants to play on Chicago that badly that if he can’t perform he’ll cause issues (the way he was talking last year I feel like the biggest risk is McGrady retiring if he plays poorly, not causing a stink).
We’ll see, but it’s an interesting way to conclude free agency, I think it’s low risk, it’s not at the expense of anything else we need right now and it provides a lot of upside.
Yeah that's ridiculous
If he goes down in the season, you put him on the inactive list. In the meantime, let him play. He’s not Bill Russell.
I think Sam has a friend named Tracy who he plays bridge and shuffleboard with, and got confused between the two.
so if the team has been playing well for 4 months, then you add a probably very annoyed tmac?
i think this is just a long, stupid was for sam to say: “I dont want the Bulls to get tmac.”
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Since I have no life, I watched highlights of his Knick tenure.
I have to say, while it’s pretty painful watching him lumber around the court he is one smart dude. Any ability to throw down or get to the rim is gone, but he’s crafty enough to get past stupid defenders and has a real knack for drawing contact. Passing-wise he’s the 2nd best playmaker on this team and that is a huge need.
Even with all the standard caveats about his health, shooting ability, and ball-stopping it’s a risk worth taking.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
That's what I want to believe, but I am skpetical by nature and I just don't believe in T-Mac anymore.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea, but you don't really need to "believe"
The Bulls are barely paying him. We’re not gonna win a Championship this year, so he’s not gonna ruin a title chance with his bitching (if that’s even an issue). I don’t understand what the concern is. What are you worried about?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
There are better options available and I don't want to listen to Bulls news about T-Mac bitching.
I’m a Cowboys fan in football and I already dealt with the fiasco of watching a former star player becoming a sideshow and all the constant, and stupid, reporting on it that it created.
He’s not going to help on the floor, and he might be a problem off it. Why do this?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, we can go around in circles on this all day
I guess I’ll just say I disagree. I don’t see that same level of risk, and I don’t see anyone that will be better
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Because "he's not going to help on the floor"
is an opinion, and not even the dominant one.
The Bulls need shooting and T-Mac can't shoot.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brewer can't either
but we are ready to hand him a starting role.
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Brewer shoots 50%
Why wont this crap die? Taking smart shots is not a bad thing, it s a good thing.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't take shots, period.
It’s pretty easy to maintain a high FG% when less than half of your shots are coming from the perimeter.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
MOAR ROSE SHOTS
Is all I have to say about that.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
Out starting SG from last year, a man named Kurt
will tell you that taking and making shots near the rim is a skill itself, one that shouldn’t be overlooked and one which many SGs don’t have.
by runningman on Jul 26, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
To repeat:
Taking good shots is a POSITIVE. Not a negative. Id rather a player passes up a bad shot and gets it to someone else in better position than jack up a low percentage shot.
As a corollary, taking less than half of your shots from the perimeter is a POSITIVE. Not a negative. Settling for jumpers is how you create a poor offense.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If the Bulls really felt they needed shooting
they should have considered that before they signed Ronnie Brewer. That would’ve been the spot to fill that need (I know they tried, but still)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
They signed the best shooter to an offer sheet. He was retained. Then they went out and got the best player
available for the starting SG slot. Brewer’s not a great fit, but he was the best guy they could have gotten at that point.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel the exact same way about McGrady :)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Touche, I guess. I just think T-Mac's production has been so bad and is not a great fit for the Bulls needs
if you’re getting a 12 PER kinda guy, it’d be better to get one who is somewhat interested in defending and can make some open threes (Mason) or is just really elite at three point shooting (House), which remains the Bulls biggest weakness.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Point is we know that Flip Murray, Eddie House, Roger Mason
they’ll be 12 PER all day long until the cows come home. We don’t know that about McGrady. We don’t know if he’ll be playing at his basement level PER; if I were willing to punt his potential away, to dismiss it so easy, I’d be on the Eddie House bandwagon too.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said
While we know what Eddie House and Roger Mason can do, McGrady still has some upside. I’m not saying it’s superstar upside, but he could still reasonably be a 16 or so PER player. House and Mason will not
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If T-Mac is a Bull
he’ll win A game or two. House might, but Mason wont!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
by Emperor Si on Jul 26, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone
gets lucky! Hey Even Pax got a few of them
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Not like Pax was a crappy player
Anyways, your point was proven wrong.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
TMac is no TO
When TO came to Dallas, he was basically still in his prime. And he’s always been known to bitch and moan. All the way from San Fran to now. TMac has been humbled by this injury in my opinion, he knows he’s on his last legs (literally and figuratively), so at this point he just trying to be a part of a winner. This isn’t TO wanting to show the league he’s still the man after being dissed by the Eagles, or AI trying to show he can still be the guy at Memphis. This is more like Fred Taylor joining up with New England, cuz he knows the end is near and wants some victories and a shot at a ring
I don’t really think there are better options out there. I would take TMac over House, Mason, and definitely Bogans or any other scrap heap SG that is out there. Oh, and since ur Dallas fan, do remember that that 1st TO year, he did his thing out there, without much fuss.
Hold on there juicebox...
Why would the Bulls not win a championship this year? That was the whole point of this Summer, to build a contender around Derrick Rose…
I think the Bulls, as currently constructed, have a chance to win this season…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just cause the Bulls signed a bunch of people doesn't mean they're gonna win a Chmpionship
Is that how you think it works?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they will be a top 4 seed and then have to hope for some playoff craziness to have a real shot at winning it all.
Being in the top 4 of the conference is nice, though.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I love it
I’m jacked for next season. Don’t think they’ll win a title though
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Right. They likely won't. But they won't be totally out of the conversation, either.
It’d probably take an injury to one of the Heat’s Big 3 and Kobe going down for it to happen, but it’s still possible, just not probable.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
i smell an ECF
or at least 1 game away from it
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Thibs is going to have to push this D to 08 Celtics level and/or Rose jumping to superstar
production levels for this team to get past Orlando or Miami. Maybe they could push the Magic to 7.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I cant see the Rose part…he surprised me in Sat.’s game. I was on my seat ready to bash him, but he really looked good
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
*can
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Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
thank you sir
i fked up that part..lol
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
I could see them getting past Orlando in a 7 game series based on pointless gut feeling.
Miami? Eh, maybe we’ll get another exciting playoff series where we all conveniently forget they actually lost.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Boston, Orlando, and Miami
Sorry until some games are played, Boston and Orlando scares me! Mia ?, and the Lakers have no = yet!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Hopefully this is the year that Boston's big three falls off a cliff.
Slow start with Perkins out, Garnett goes down mid-season, Pierce’s production falls off, Allen’s not getting as many open looks…
I hope so too
I really hate Boston, well Paul Pierce!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
I fear Boston because I believe they are inevitably going to be underseeded. They learned to pace themselves to peak during the playoffs, this combined with Perkins out at the beginning of the year is going to cause the Celtics to finish as a 5-7 seed instead of the 1-3 seed they should be. It would really suck for the Bulls to capture the 3 seed only to face a 6 seeded Boston.
That was a hell of a run they had in the playoffs, both from their own performance as well as
performances of the teams they faced. They won’t be an easy out for any team they face, but that was likely a last gasp by an old team.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
I think we'll be the 2nd best team in East
right behind Miami.
Boston won’t have Perkins for the 1st part of the season, and J O’Neal is not gonna make up for that. We should matchup very well with them if we see em in the playoffs. Throw multiple defenders at the “old Big 3” and Rose/Rondo will battle.
Orlando just doesn’t put any fear in me. They have Dwight Howard and a bunch of also rans. Play good 3pt D and u beat them, let Howard go off dunking, the rest of his offensive game is some doodoo.
We will come at folks in waves with the depth we have now.
Orlando has a better superstar player and greater depth in talent than the Bulls
Until we see otherwise, should also assume that Orlando will have the better D. While they may not scare you, they should. Since SVG has gotten there, their offensive ranking has been 7th, 11th, and 4th. Their defensive ranking has been 6th, 1st, and 3rd. Those are very good teams. You also underestimate the current quality of Howard’s offensive game and his ability to improve as a 24 year old who’s shown a great work ethic in his young career.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Never mind the fact
that with his “lack of offensive skill” he’s still managed to average 17.5 points per game in his career.
Give me 17-18 points with his defensive ability any game. Like, seriously. We talk about how hard Noah works defensively. If he gave us 17 points a night, with his rebounding and effort, we’d be ecstatic.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
Really, PPG?
I’m guessing you’re a big fan of RBI and pitcher Wins in baseball as well.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
Sorry if that came across as douchey
Something about the internet brings out the worst in people.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
Lmao
PPG = bad example.
Just trying to say that Dwight is not nearly as bad an offensive player as he’s made out to be.
Average O + Unbelievably Elite D = a goddamned good player.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
I keep posting this
but I really think it explains everything about TMAC.
Usage Pct
2000-01 NBA 31.2 (6)
2001-02 NBA 31.1 (5)
2002-03 NBA 35.2 (1)
2003-04 NBA 33.2 (2)
2004-05 NBA 31.2 (4)
2006-07 NBA 35.0 (1)
2007-08 NBA 30.4 (3)
Active 30.3 (6)
Career NBA 30.3 (8)
Career 30.3 (7)
He has always had the ball in his hands, which explains the high point totals. To me, a high usg means you don’t trust your teammates.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Or you play on Orlando and Houston...
Where Grant Hill and Yao are always hurt.
Just guessing.
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 26, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If we trade for Yao and sign McGrady
Can we get a Costco pack of foot surgeries?
by cubbybear on Jul 26, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just because any team signs players...
Does not mean they are going to win a championship…I am not making that argument.
I am saying the Bulls have positioned themselves, in upgrading the roster around Rose, to be a contender for the championship…I don’t see why that is too grand of a statement to make…from that statement, if they are a contender this season, then why couldn’t they win it…?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Because there are probably, legitimately, two or three teams that ACTUALLY have a chance
at winning the championship. LA, Orlando, and Miami. Those are the only teams with that level of talent and Orlando is a bit of a long-shot of the 3. LA and Miami are really the only two I would bet on.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Boston? They went to the finals last season and are returning a very similar team? And the only team in the West with a chance is the Lakers? Mr. Duncan would like a word with you.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The Spurs are done, I think. Duncan can't defend the screen and roll anymore.
That’s why they got waxed by the Suns.
The Celtics are losing Rasheed, Perk is out for at least the first half of the year, and their Big 3 are all a year older. They also lost Tony Allen, who is an elite wing defender (but good at absolutely zero else) and got nothing for him.
They are a weaker team and I think they got pretty lucky to be where they were. It took Delonte banging LeBron’s mom for the Cavs to lose to the Celtics and now LeBron and Wade are together, the Celtics have no chance of stopping that team.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Parker
is the first to go
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
So...
What about Dallas, Denver or OKC? I do understand why L.A. would be the prohibitive favorite in the West, but there are some good teams out there…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
OKC, still too young. Denver, not enough talent to beat El Lay. Dallas might do all right against
the Lake Show if they ever get the chance, but I don’t know about them. They always seem to come up small in the playoffs.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
I’ll give you Dallas
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Don't forget Portland. They can't possible have the run of injuries they had last season
and are still young enough to expect a big bounce back from. Though, if they had only 2 major injuries (Oden and Roy) their chances could still be derailed.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
If Greg Oden can play a full season of healthy basketball...
At the level he was playing last season, Portland could beat LA in seven game series…but, given his track record, I will not count on it…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
"can't possibly have"
OTOH, they’re two stars in Oden and Roy were said to be prone to injuries.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah, but all of their other players aren't as prone to injuries as they showed.
Heck, their coach got injured, heh.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
It's just my opinion
I guess it’s not totally impossible. If this team really came together and caught a couple breaks, who knows. But I still think it’s such a small chance that you almost have to assume that it won’t happen
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
The NBA playoffs aren’t nearly the crapshoot that MLB playoffs are, but they are a crapshoot nonetheless.
I won’t believe this Bulls squad categorically cannot win a championship in 2010-11 until they (a) don’t make the playoffs or (b) are eliminated therein.
Imagine if TMac is half of what he is
and he comes in for Deng and still shows the ability to get out in transition, run a little Point Forward, and knock down a shot or two. That would be invaluable. Those are some of the things we could use from the SF spot that I think would fit well with Rose, even in limited minutes.
T-Mac Addition Will Be Beneficial
I think we are speculating into his past history of complaints with the Rockets. From what it appears, T-Mac is coming to the Bulls because he wants to win. I think coming into a team with such a young nucleus he is accepting the role of the vet, who used to be an all star in our league.
Having said that, i think this is a great opportunity to add a former all star! Looking at our roster we have no players who have “been around” the block of the NBA from a winning standpoint. Though clearly no rings, McGrady has been counted on from his younger days to lead teams, and i think did so very well with what he was given (mainly toronto and orlando). I think adding a former all star, albeit coming off of injury, to add experience and depth – while also having the possibility for some break out performances along the way. He is a guy that no matter when you bring him in, will garner respect and attention from the other team – making our 2nd strings lives a little easier.
Hopefully Tracy has his head on straight and can greatly help our Bulls!
Also from Sam:
Sources say despite reports to the contrary now Miami tried repeatedly to get McGrady to sign and Pat Riley was calling McGrady daily.
McGrady not only said he didn’t want to go to Miami, but said he believed the Bulls could defeat the Heat and he’d rather be on the team that beats them.
It’s getting murkier as to whether Sam actually has sources, or if they’re just voices in his head that he hears while watching Honeymooners reruns, but if this is true (BIG “if”), I think that’s pretty damn cool.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 10 recs
Hope it's true.
If nothing eles it proves that McGrady is one COMPETITIVE sonofagun!
by Black Cat on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
T-Mac is saying and doing all the right things.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Rehabbing (working out) and letting other teams he wants to be with the Bulls
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
think its payback for this
A controversy resulted in the final minute when McGrady attempted a jump shot that would have given the West the lead and control of the game. Replays showed LeBron James, who was guarding McGrady appearing to make contact with McGrady’s elbow, causing the shot attempt to fall way short of the basket. However, no foul was whistled, the East won, and LeBron James was named All-Star MVP.
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
mcgrady holds jordan-esque grudges?
SIGN HIM
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 26, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If this has anytruth to it SIGN HIM!
Finallly a player that will hate the heat like the fans do!
Questin for all of you peeps that keep talking about McGrady's PER, TS% and all that
Why are these things so important? If the Bulls talk to him about coming off the bench, and he’s ok with it, bench players typically aren’t extremely efficient, or have great stats anyway. Any other player we bring in would surely have worse stats than Mcgrady.
He’d be brought in to fill a role. I think it could be a quite valuable role, seeing as an injury will almost definitely occur at some point. The only real argument against it, is if you think he’d be a complete cancer for the team. Which no one really knows, but I’m guessing the Bulls will have a pretty good idea after today.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Agree 100%
All I want to know is can the guy play and contribute. I’m not a stat guy but I would love to know what Robert Horry’s Per and TS were during those Laker runs because that probably the role that the Bulls would have him for. Stats can’t account for everything that happens on the court.
Because if McGrady isn't any better than your average low-salaried bench player then why risk putting up with his (potential) bull shit?
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 26, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Because I'd rather put up
with his BS than Jannero Pargo. Now that’s the type of player that can actually disrupt things ON the court.
by Dils on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, I'm scared this is a McGrady or Pargo decision
if it comes down to that, give McGrady everything he wants.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm pretty skeptical of the value of this whole McGrady acquisition
However, if Pargo is the alternative: sign McGrady now.
Well the risk is that mcgrady plays like the equivalent of pargo
While acting like a huge douche in the locker room.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 26, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That isn't a risk.
You buy him out for his meager salary and pick a different 10th man up. Problem solved.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think TMac would fall off or play that bad off the bench
even if TMac is only half the player he used to be, he still will be a million times better than Pargo………….i’m not saying i want him on the bulls but i do think he could teach some of the younger players on how to become better basketball players………..if the bulls sign him for 1 year then i don’t really care
He could also teach them some bad habits
Especially if Rose is lobbying for him, and looks at TMac through Rose colored glasses, do you want to sew those seeds?
I tend to think the Bulls shouldn’t take many risks in those respects
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Kurt Thomas will take care of all that.
He’s the standiest up guy EVER!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 26, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't understand
the notion that McGrady is a douche.
I’m not saying he’s the greatest teammate in the world, but I don’t remember any stories about him being a massive asshole or anything.
He’s not Terrell Owens, people.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
He demanded a trade out of TOR, then ORL.
When HOU wanted to trade him a little over a year ago, he faked an injury sabotaging the trade. Then when it became apparent his coach wouldn’t give him significant minutes, he demanded a trade out of HOU.
Maybe he’s not the worst teammate in the world, but he sure seems to have a me first mentality.
by pooriejay on Jul 26, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
its hard to believe mcgrady would fake an injury
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
lets get hinrich
he has a You First mentality
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
I'll give you the Orlando mess.
He brought that mess upon himself in Houston, but the way they blackballed the shit out of him was still messed up.
Everything that happened in Toronto is just a byproduct on Toronto’s horrible luck.
Basically, McGrady’s never had the kind of problems with his teammates that warrant the “locker room cancer” moniker.
Maybe a “front-office cancer” but I can think of worse things to happen to this sterling front office.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
He left TOR as a free agent
what’s this about demanding a trade out of ORL?
Also what’s this about faking an injury in Houston? The injury he had is the one that led to microfracture surgery on his knee.
I meant
“what’s this about demanding a trade out of TOR”?
Because there might not be any bullshit
and he might be better than your average low salaried bench player
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Right, which is where the stats come into play
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 26, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really, because even at his worst
you’re still getting a player that compares favorably statistically to anyone else that you can sign at this point.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
I’d take Roger Mason over a NYK version of McGrady + attitude problems any day.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 26, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The Knicks rode him into the ground last year
They acted like he was still a superstar. He wouldn’t have that problem here
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
How exactly did the Knicks ride him into the ground? His USG was only 20.6% and he only played 26 minutes a game.
Those are not the usage or minute rates of a superstar. They used him as a role player and he still couldn’t hack it.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought they were playing him a lot to begin with
than he started feeling beat up so they pulled back the reins. To the point where he was playing almost every other game. That would also be why his minutes are low overall. He played lot at first, but little towards the end
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
They basically played him until he couldn't play any more.
There were games where he played almost the entire first half and then sat himself down. There were back-to-backs that he couldn’t run because he killed himself the previous game.
Really, he shouldn’t have come back. He was noticably limping in his second game.
Yeah, he needs to look a lot better running before I'd feel comfortable with him getting minutes.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe he just gets hurt by January
He’s averaged less than 44 games the last 3 years. I think the most likely outcome, if we sign him, is he plays ok for a couple months and then is sidelined most of the year.
I think injury concerns trump any potential bullshit about his role on the team. Sure, if he gets hurt, we go out and get another vet minimum type, or a D-leaguer to fill the 12th spot. Low risk. But is TMac really worth ANY risk right now?
by pooriejay on Jul 26, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So, between him and Luol, we have a healthy player for the full season
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
hahah...luol injury jokes never get old
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 26, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Becuase people can only bitch about Kurt Thomas so long...
Before they start bitching about something else of not much consequence in the larger scheme of things.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course it matters. He's not going to magically become a better player just because he's on the bench.
The same problems in his game still exist. And there are plenty of bench players who are efficient or put up good numbers.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Like who, that we can get?
And yes, I think he can be better off the bench because the role is more specific. He won’t be an all-everyhting superstar with us.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Eddie House, R-Mase
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Those guys are definitely better?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
For what the Bulls need (read: shooting), yes.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe
but those guys can really only play the two. They won’t get enough time at that spot to make much of an impact. The thing I like about McGrady is that he can fill in at the two and three, which can be very useful
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
against some backup points
I could see him getting A MIN.
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
din't we already
deem R Mason not worthy
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
anyway we can get house and tmac?
fukin really want ASU’s pride and joy
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
I think it could be a quite valuable role, seeing as an injury will almost definitely occur at some point.
I see a Deng gettin hurt and Tmac stepping up in my crystal ball
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Way to step out on a limb!
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Teams make a player better or worse
then they really are! The bulls will make T-Mac better than last year alone! Example you ask, well he’ll get more open looks. We have players (Rose and Boozer) that will draw a double team, plus he don"t have to put up Great numbers every night to win releaving pressure. Not being The GUY will make him better also! All he really need to be able to do is run the floor, hit some shots, a 3-ball or two, and play the team D! That alone would would make him better than last year! I want the McGrady CHANCE more than I wanted Joe Johnson, and I wanted Johnson over James! Call me crazy. Please!!!!!!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
everything was cool till u said JJ > LBJ
your crazy
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
You should have put "I wanted Johnson over James" first
So I didn’t have to read the rest of your post.
by runningman on Jul 26, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Johnson can play with a Great point,
can James?
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
saddly to say
nope!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
At least James can play
Johnson can’t play so much. He’s like a much, much worse Kobe Bryant.
Who is in the process of falling off a cliff.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
WaddleandSilvy
TMac workout done. Going to lunch w/ Bulls now. Says he wants to be a Bull.
Superteams suck.
We need Lebron post about this
something like:
“McGrady has just walked into the building wearing a black t-shirt and shorts. A Blue Gucci backpack finishes the look.”
“Sources say that McGrady has ordered a salad and Fiji water during his lunch. No word if he will order desert.”
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
'The Decision: Part 2'
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jul 26, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
.25 rating
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
we need a vid of the workout
that would be awesome, i always wondered what they did during those…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 26, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't it be cool if they brought in Deng and Brewer to run some drills with him?
Have them play some D on him and see what he can do. Thibs running some plays to see if he can run them.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
yea
in fact thibs should do that for the starting role. Instead of doing the organizational non logical shot in the dark way of choosing starters, thibs should put them in some kind of drill or contest for the starting job. I think that would help with chemistry issues as well….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 26, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose want him?
Well then sigh him! Wait wait don’t sign him, don’t create a monster like Dan and the Cavs did!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Titlew or no title
this is gonna be such a redemptive/fun season for Bulls fan.
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Yup, no doubt about it
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
by Sir Buckets on Jul 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
DEERFIELD, Ill. — Following his workout with the Chicago Bulls on Monday, free-agent guard/forward Tracy McGrady said his first choice would be to sign with the Bulls.
“This was a great team, a pretty good team, without adding myself and Carlos Boozer, and some of the key players that they added this offseason,” said McGrady, who worked out for the Los Angeles Clippers last week. "You bring a coach in like [Tom] Thibodeau, who’s very defensive minded, very smart and knows the game, knows what to get out of his players.
“I think we can be really good, I really do.”
McGrady said he wouldn’t mind coming off the bench, but his preference would be to start.
Gggooooodddd dammit.
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
by Sir Buckets on Jul 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
but his preference would be to start.
NO man!
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 26, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
well how much would he suck if he didn't want to
I have no problem with him wanting to start.
I have a problem if he starts to make a mess because he doesn’t.
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 26, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well we should be prepared to show him the door if he acts up.
I would prefer to be the sole penis a harem of 40, petite, blonde haired virgins right now but I’m stuck in a fucking cubicle.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
would you want him to say "i would prefer to be the 12th man"?
by K_yle33 on Jul 26, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want him to say
“Whatever this team needs from me, I’ll do”
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Isn't that what he said?
Wouldn’t mind coming off the bench
How does that not mean, “I’ll do what the team asks?”
Who wouldn’t want to start? I’m sure Asik and James Johnson want to start too.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
It says right there in the article above
Would prefer to start, but doesn’t mind sitting on the bench. Just like every other bench player in the league.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Yikes Man
there are differences in how much bench sitting people will take. Some of them, well, they can’t take too much bench sitting before bitching about it. All bench players are not created equal in attitude.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
GiT's just getting out in front in case this happens and calling it a success
and if it doesn’t, the Bulls did right by not signing McGrady. If he signs and flames out, the Bulls did right by getting rid of him in a timely matter. If they don’t get rid of him in a timely matter, the Bulls didn’t lose anything by not getting rid of him in a timely matter….
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.. that's what I'm doing.
where as yfBB is getting out in front in case anything happens, no matter what the outcome may be, so he can bitch about it and call whatever happens a complete failure. By suggesting it is a bad use of resources when it does happen, and calling it a waste of time for working a player out to be the 10th man if it doesn’t happen.
If they by chance do get him, if he does play well, he can say it was still a poor choice because Ben Gordon would have been better no matter what he is doing in Detroit or how much they are overpaying him to do it. If the guy plays poorly he can say I told you this was an awful move and how awful it was we didn’t trade for Player X that was never available in the first place or that we didn’t sign player Y even though that player was never reported to have interest in the team.
Since it’s yfBB, I imagine there’d be quite a bit more “Jerry Reinsdorf is cheap and a bad owner and it’s the reason the Bulls won’t win a championship, the Bulls Front Office is the worst thing ever, though even most analysts agree with the moves they made and feel they’ve done a great job,” but you get the gist.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never said I'm against the move
just outlining the potential pitfalls. I think it’s ultimately all an elaborate favor to Tellem.
I’m just against you.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's fine
But there are plenty of posts where you disagree with me.. bitch about me there. Makes your posts seem a lot less petty.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
what can I say, you're uniquely intolerable
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 26, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
at worst
at worst mcgrady would be the 12th man on the team. at best he could win the bulls some games especially in the 4th quarter. He has the highest upside out of anyone currently left in free agency.
No
At WORST, he’ll be a 9th-10th guy on this team and will constantly bitch about how he’s better than CJ Watson, Ronnie Brewer, Kyle Korver or whoever else is “stealing” his minutes until he demands a trade. But obviously no one will want him (like no one else does right now…) and he’ll infect our roster with playoffcollapse-itis and we won’t make it out of the first round.
THAT’S the worst case scenario.
Your worst case scenario is a non-issue
They’d just buy him out. They aren’t using the money for anything else worthwhile, so who cares?) It’s not your money, let them waste it.
I could see why JR might not like it, but as a fan, what do you have to lose?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Cohesiveness
The team GarPax has assembled is a hard-nosed, defensive-minded, sum is greater than the parts type. If that’s what they’re going for, then McGrady would be the only guy that doesn’t fit the mold. Not worth risking team chemistry for someone who will, at best, provide 15 minutes of average, yet inefficient, production as a 7th/8th man.
I want Brewer to be able to focus on playing
awesome basketball and not on that jackass in the corner conniving to steal his minutes.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
im referring to your "no" post
“playoffcollapse-itis”
also you have no idea how he would fit into the “cohesiveness” of the team. The team needs scoring, mcgrady could possibly give them that. your “at best, provide 15minutes” is your opinion. an at best scenario would be him providing what he is at least capable of, which is being healthy and playing at least what he played last year with the knicks which was 20minutes a game. but that would not even be considered at best, bc that is what he did last season. an at best scenario would improve on his abilities and numbers from last season or return his past numbers of greatness. as for this “hard-nosed. defensive minded” idea that the bulls continue to promote, it hasnt worked the last ten yrs, the only saving grace is getting lucky with a non-defensive minded stud in derrick rose.
If he's getting 20 min/game for 65+ games
That means one of the guys we signed to 3 year deals early in free agency (Korver, Brewer) is getting fewer minutes. They are both better players.
that depends
if they are better then they should and will play more. if mcgrady is fully healthy and plays well, he should play well. its really pretty simple
All bench players are not created equal in attitude.
im so tempted to use that quote in real life. nice
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 26, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be anyone's preference. All he has to do is say I will do whatever the coach wants me to do.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 26, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It also depends on how the question was asked. Did the reporter ask him his preference?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
or, did TMAC even say that??
reporter could have just added that into the story….it is not in quotations…you think you’d quote that if he really said it.
He could still respond to the question in a different way
Say, I don’t care.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
Well, he doesn't quite sound ready for the bench just yet, does he?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
And at the same time, why would he? These bench/starting questions should always reduce to who are the 5 best players
And every player should think they’re one of the five best players on his team.
By making it some sort of political issue, teams invite these sort of issues on themselves.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
True
Guess we just have to see how the Bulls feel about it. I have a feeling that these type of comments reduce his chances though. Should’ve just said: “I just want to be a part of this team in whatever role. I know I need to prove myself, and I still feel like I can start, but I’ll do whatever they ask”, or something like that.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You are delusional.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok ok I get it
Brewer is the starter, but Don’t Hand it to him! What I get from that is Brewer don’t slack off to much, and (good news) he is still a competitor!
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
its not like we still have vinny. the rotations will be fine. he wont be starting
And you know what? If he does begin to challenge brewer for the starting spot then its brewer we should be worried about. Not tmac
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Oh right
He doesn’t want to play in Miami because he thinks the Bulls are better? Or that he just doesn’t have the opportunity to start there.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
More on that topic:
McGrady was asked if he’d accept coming off the bench.
“If I was the player I was in a Knicks uniform, I would have no problem coming off the bench,” he said. “But I have worked extremely hard and I’m far from that player. It’s up to me in training camp to prove I’m a starter.”
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
But Brewer came to the Bulls under the impression he would start.
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
by Sir Buckets on Jul 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Only the impression that he'd have a chance to start
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
He's the only SG we have so no kidding they would say that to him
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
And so the drama begins already
and the Bulls havent even signed McGrady yet.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Someone mentioned in his presser he said he wasn't guaranteed a starting spot.
I didn’t listen to it so I don’t know.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Well, TMac would likely only be a one year deal
Maybe a team option for a second year. Brewer can always split time this year, and get the job back next year. You can assume the Bulls wouldn’t shell out the money to keep TMac if he shows he’s a legitimate starter again so it’s not like he won’t have the job in the long run.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah this is true...
They probably will try to make him sign with a team option because of this reason.
So the question the Bulls need to ask is if he doesn't earn it in training camp then will he come off the bench.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
That's what I'm getting at
If he’s one of the five best players, he should start. If he’s not, he should STFU and come off the bench. If everyone is really cool with that approach, I’m fine with this.
I’m skeptical either side is really cool with it though.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Jul 26, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Prove it Tmac,
or I’m calling shennanigans.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
He better prove it
cause he he doesn’t he would be out of here faster than Wade.
"Boozer's dumbass dunked, so i dunked on his dumbass"- Joakim Noah
I don't follow them..
But you put Brewer, Boozer, Deng, T-mac in a room something is bound to break. It could be a vase but still.
This is my worry as well...
not to mention Noah and Taj’s plantar problems.
I saw T2 at Walgreens in Deerfield he’s tall. if you’re wondering what his grocery list included: magnums, french vanilla ice cream and a 20 oz sprite
by Super-Structure on Jul 26, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I did some rough math, God knows I suck at math..
Between Brewer,Tmac, Boozer an Deng they have combined missed a total of 544 games in their careers.
So then we should pray that
This season they are all healthy!
by mazzimo on Jul 26, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would everything change if we got Roger Mason instead?
Imo, that’s another reason to sign T Mac.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Meaning we'd still be an injury prone team without him
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Roger Mason not being injury prone wouldn't change the health of our team..
…so sign the guy that just healed from an injury?
More from that Trib story:
“I feel good,” McGrady said at the Berto Center. "I’ve been battling to get back to rare form. Still coming off surgery. It’s been a tough road, but I feel pretty good compared to my last game that I played in New York. I was still going through the rehab process then. I’m definitely a long ways away from what I used to look like. But I’m very confident what I’m going to be in this coming season.
“I’d fit in well. I bring what I know about the game and my athleticism and versatility. Knowing my smarts for the game, leadership, anything I can add to get these guys over the edge. Without me, without (Carlos) Boozer, they’re a .500 club. With the guys we added, we’ll be 30 better.”
I don’t think this is what the Bulls are looking for, I doubt this happens now.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You could have just as easily bolded the sentence in front of the one you actually bolded and said
“this sounds like the team player the Bulls want.” Forget the quotes in the press, the substantial talks are taking place at a secluded table in a restaurant right now.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
The presence of the latter quote is a lot more damning than the former is heartening.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Jul 26, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think either mean all that much personally
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
damn, one short of 72 wins
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well I will take 71 wins any year of this century...
and the next…
by mazzimo on Jul 26, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really?
How does he justify this?
by Bill Cartwright's Elbow on Jul 26, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought he had the Heat around 68 wins
anyway, ever think about the Bulls, or the NBA, and remember ‘oh shit, LeBron and Wade are on the same team, fuuuuccckkkkk’. It happens once in a while to me. They’re going to be so good.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He could have meant "30%" better,
which would put them at a .800 team and 65-66 wins. Which is still hella optimistic.
Ha!
Did he just say they will win 71 games next season if they sign him?
Without me, without (Carlos) Boozer, they’re a .500 club. With the guys we added, we’ll be 30 better.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 26, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No no no...
What he meant was, we’ll win 30.5 games, with the 0.5 game being the one where we’re ahead at half time and then T Mac shoots us into a 15 point loss.
56 - 26 is 30 games better than .500
Still obviously a stretch though.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
41-41 is .500
How is 52-26 30 games better then 41-41?
If you are 10 - 5
You don’t say your 5 games over .500?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
What?B
Before the acquisitions, they WERE 41-41 both years. Now, add everyone, they’re much better. Obviously, it’s a little overly optimistic and he probably shouldn’t have said it like he is the main acqusition, but it’s not a big deal…certainly not a dealbreaker
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 26, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
dumb comment by him....
shows an inflated view of his abilities…as well as exhibits faulty logic. That’s like me saying I doubt the 92 Bulls would have been above .500 without Jordan and Pippen.
In the last year I've gotten rid of two Top-Five draft picks.....Sweet!
He keeps on talking about himself and Boozer
like they’re on the same level. Whatever lip service he’s paying to coming off the bench, it’s pretty clear he thinks he can be a starter.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jul 26, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah that struck me too
Boozer put up 20 and 10 last season, all McGrady did was piss of D’Antoni. If he still sees himself as that type of player, it could be problematic. That was supposedly part of his problem in NY and Houston
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 26, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I feel as though he just means that they were .500 and that with all of the acquisitions they are now a way better team.
The without him and without boozer part probably could have been worded better, but I dont think it is that big of a deal.
omg we forgot about that! Thanks for pointing it out. Forget T-Mac
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I wonder if Tmac would embrace the "im gonna be brewer's role model" role
you know..cuz Brew is still young
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When pigs fly
More likely he’ll try to put down Brewer since he is competition for the starting SG that Tracy clearly wants so badly.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
WWJD
What Would the Jazz Do?
Would they spend 3 million on a 31 year old player to come off the bench despite the fact that the last time he came off the bench in the NBA he decided to spend a few seasons proving why that org failed?
Or, would they reach into the Summer League to find a young player that has shown signs of performance that with a little instruction into the team culture he can contribute this season for marginal minutes and greater minutes if injuries occur in front of him?
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 26, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
We shouldn't assume they are going to give him 3 million...
Thats pure speculation…they are the bulls. They will spend as little as possible. Which explaisn why they are the most profitable team in the NBA and the second in all of sports…
the 'little as possible' doesn't really work here
they only have so much cap room, so it’s not going to be exorbitant either way. So would they spend it all on McGrady as a favor to Tellem? why not?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because we have to have a 13 man roster..
We can’t use every penny on him… Minimum cap holds wont allow it…
you can sign the rest with minimum salary exception
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats if your over the cap....
if it was true for under the cap there would be no need for cap holds…
So they sign him for the remainder under the cap minus the minimum cap hold
Are you done splitting hairs?
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Wasn't trying to "split hairs"...
Just saying we can’t sign him for the remaining cap and even if we could we shouldn’t
and the jazz last won a title when?
Rehabilitated? It's just a bullshit word. So go ahead and stamp your forms, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit.
by Teh Immortal Batman on Jul 26, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And the last time the Bulls were a better team than the Jazz was when?
by arjoseph on Jul 26, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The same year McGrady made it past the 1st round.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone see this quote from T-Mac?
“If I was the player I was in a Knicks uniform, I would have no problem coming off the bench. But I have worked extremely hard and I’m far from that player. It’s up to me in training camp to prove I’m a starter.”
Do you believe him?
he asks not to believe him
and said he wants to prove hes a starter, i allow him the chance to prove it…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 26, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
great read..esp this:
So, yes, Chicago. Go after him. Be wary. Ignore Mark Deeks’ beyond-educated proposal to bring in the seemingly perfect Romain Sato instead. The market is pretty lousy, and I’d still prefer McGrady over the other available stateside wings. And Chicago needs swingman depth, badly.
But push him, to turn it all around. Push him, to not be so lugubrious, to not act with these seemingly elevated levels of insouciance while he lopes up and down the court. Push him to go quick, go hard, and re-define that legacy.
Push him to remind of the Tracy McGrady you courted in 1997, and 2000. Not the superstar that followed those failed attempts, but the hungry young man that was willing to do it all to win. That man is in there, somewhere. Seek him out.
And then sign him.
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by Belize on Jul 26, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
yea that is a great written piece right there
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
the twtlonger link that's on there is so crazy..
I will never forget the look that Tracy had when he put on a Bulls uniform (this was never done for any other draft prospect)and stepped on the Berto Center court to shoot around. The glee that was on his face was indescribable. He just bounced up and down with excitement before heading to the basket. You could just sense that he was feeling that everything he had ever dreamed about in regards to basketball was about ready to be realized.
Michael Jordan was invited to attend Tracy’s workout. Michael was consulted. He was also consulted on another player. Antonio McDyess. Michael’s input was valued, but after both workouts, the consensus opinion among all the key basketball personnel as well as the owner, was that Scotty Pippen should not be moved for these young players. Even though Tracy thinks Michael killed the deal, he wasn’t the only one that shared that opinion. The Bulls explored their options, did a thorough job of evaluating the prospect, and decided that it would not be in the best interest to select Tracy or Antonio McDyess.
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
This is exactly what i've been saying!
Romain Sato is 29 year old MVP from Italy would be a much better pick up then McGrady. He can play inside, outside and his athleticism will fit our team perfectly!!!
He just signed a new deal in Europe
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by NBA Observer on Jul 26, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He was open to the idea of playing in the NBA
But like everyone else that plays bsaketball on this planet he wanted to start for a team…
Poor clippers
the closest they got to any big names this season is having the Privilege to meet with them…i wonder if they will come out with another presser saying they were honored to just be given a chance
Basically its been the same thing all summer, free agents first meet with the clips, no one says much about it, they come to the bulls…one of the featured articles on nba.com with every big sports writer giving his input. poor poor clippers, to think last year we were being compared to them
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Well we don't necessarily need him...
So the most we “offer” is a “chance” to start. He signs the contract for 1 yr 2 million and 1 of 3 things happen:
1) He show’s he is only worth two million and rides the pine.
2) He lives up to his potential and starts for this team
3) He is cut because he complained that he isnt getting enough minutes and causes chemistry problems.
Any of the three is worth that contract and can be considered low risk.
by mazzimo on Jul 26, 2010 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Can he be the Bulls' version of Ron Harper or Grant Hill?
Both of those guys were 20 ppg scorers before they got hurt. Then they changed situations and accepted being role players. Can T-Mac be a guy who can fill in the blanks to lighten the load off of the stars of the team. If he can do that then obviously he’s a good addition. But if he turns out to be Anfernee Hardaway or Chris Webber, it’s not gonna work.
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by chibullsareback on Jul 26, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
grant hill
is the perfect picture of determination and knowing your role. Love that dude..str8 warrior. Changes his fate and prob will still get in the HOF..prob
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by Belize on Jul 26, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea agreed
Hill is prob HOF. And T-Mac has enough monster years on his resume that if he proves to be a winner with a winning team, he can get there too.
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by chibullsareback on Jul 26, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Grant Hill would be the dream scenario
41% From three off the bench!! Not happening, but I can have hope!
Hill was a terrible 3pt shooter before this year
You never know what can happen.
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by chibullsareback on Jul 26, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but grant hill NEVER had the ego or
the usage that Tmac had and he was always more effecient.
Well Minus a couple of years...
Like Scoring title caliber years…
I know
The ego seems to still be there for McGrady. Which can only hurt his chances of pulling off the kind of transition of those other guys
The Funk Might Fracture Your Nose
by chibullsareback on Jul 26, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I say its a lost cause....
But, as an argument… Does what we would gain with roger mason out weigh what we could possibly get from McGrady??..
Either way I say we sign McCants…
Interesting plan..
Get the guy that is guaranteed to be a problem instead of a guy who might be. Removes any doubt from the equation.. I see what you’re getting at here.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I’m not real big on McCants. I kind of like Finley. Just keep him on ice until the last 25 games of the season and tell him to stand and hit some treys
The Funk Might Fracture Your Nose
by chibullsareback on Jul 26, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
aside from mcgrady
what free agents have the ability to handle the ball, defend (averagely), and shoot? In terms of possible trades theres Oj mayo, rudy, and possibly xavier henry….but the problem with trades is you have to give up something…obviously…id still want to pick up rudy before tmac, but if the bulls cant trade just jj and a first rounder for any of those guys, i rather just take the risk on mcgrady, sign maybe byars or/and almond from summer league as well and i think the risk of mcgrady should become less…. let him start, let him get injured…if he starts limit his minutes, start him without starter minutes
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
he already signed!
Xavier Henry!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
McGrady cant shoot
Its been a decade since he was a good shooter
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah yeah...
Because he wanted to start…. We could send a future first for henry…
your making me hate sato
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Why?
Because the MVP in his league wanted to start for the team he signed with?? I mean would you expect anyless from a dominant player?
cuz he's a pipe dream
ive never seen him play and his names rhyme with what we call sperm in belize
in a nutshell
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
How many European players have you seen play in Europe?
How did Asik fare in Europe? Was he better or wose then Splitter?
ok
i really hate him cuz you love him. You love is equivalent of number 4
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Can't see that video from here..
And I don’t love him… I just think for what we need he is a great fit….
Not sure if this means they don't plan on signing him, or what:
SamSmithHoops
Bulls worked out McGrady and it went well, though it sounds like the Bulls have no plans to do anything with him for now.
Superteams suck.
it's a process
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yea, looks that way
Didn’t think they wanted to drag this one out, guess not. I’ll be very disappointed if we have a “Tracey McGra-day 7”
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
They need MORE time to think about it?
Didn’t they schedule this guy for a workout last week. They’ve had time to review most of his games in NY over the past week. Compare that to what he looked like today, analyze his past production, and viola, we have a decision.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, I really thought we'd get a decision as early as today, latest tomorrow
Still could happen I guess, but it doesn’t sound like it
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say it gives them an option..
He wants to be there so why rush until we determine its our best option?
Why prolong it?
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Because its the 2010 version of
the post injury era of an unknown that isn’t highly sought after…whats the rush..we are talking about a 2-3 million dollar player….
Few things I don't like about this
(1) Everyone here hates Larry Hughes and Jannero Pargo for their terrible shot selection. Yet McGrady is just as inefficient, probably even worse, and people overlook it.
(2) Knicks defensive rating when McGrady was off the court last year: 111.1. When McGrady was on the court: 118.7. Small sample size, but his lineups turned opposing offenses into the most efficient offenses of all time.
(3) Everyone saying “why is there a risk with McGrady” is right, nobody knows. But with a superstar name that the media loves, his badly declining play, and his belief than he and Boozer add 30 wins, I think we can at least see how this could become a bad situation. If there was more upside there, I’d say why not, because the Bulls need help to get a title. But I don’t see the upside. He’s a bad fit with Rose/Deng because he can’t shoot and is probably a bad defender, and he hasn’t been an above average player in 2010, 2009, or 2008. I think it’s possible that Morris Almond / Derrick Byars have more upside than McGrady, and they’ll come cheaper with less hassle.
by YaoPau on Jul 26, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think the contract is the determinant of whethere this ends up as a good idea or not.
If he takes all of our remaining available cap space then its a bad idea..If we can get him and a player to replace him if he turns out to be a bad decision then its a good idea,
The Bulls have 11 players
It doesn’t matter if he takes all the cap space or not, the Bulls won’t use it on anybody else.
I remember when I said the same thing at the start of this thread.
yup, we signed everyone we wanted!
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by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
With the exception of Kurts Thomas
The Bucks couldn’t get rid of him fast enough and anyone who believes he can play center in the playoffs is out of their mind…
haha, that was a good one.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hmm
I started writing a response to what you said in an effort to discredit it, but it’s all true. Even when TMac had some good DRtgs, his team always had a better one when he was off the floor.
The only upside I see is that he is a decent passer, rebounder, and playmaker for a bench player. I’d love to see his raw plus minus stats over his career. I am betting he has a superstar feel because he put up big numbers, but that he has been fairly overrated as far as the superstar status goes.
I do see the upside for JR’s pocketbook though :)
He was always overrated
But I don’t think that should matter too much when you are signing him to play 10 minutes a game.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It should if it causes a problem
But I get the point. I just don’t see a former 30ppg scorer being to pleased with 10mpg. Sign Byars and be done.
If we defer to Derrick Byars over Tracy McGrady
and Mcgrady is half the player he once was, consider me drunk already.
If he isn't pleased, who gives a shit?
He isn’t a position to complain. If he does, you buy him out, a guy like Byars is a dime a dozen and will be easy to find midseason.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
But is it worth the pissing and moaning?
We have a whole bunch of high character guys. It’s not the most important thing in the entire world, but I want a first year coach to be able to focus on coaching and that’s all. If he doesn’t piss and wine, it’s a decent signing (considering he should be an 8th guy or so), but if he messes with chemistry….hmmmm.
Pissing and moaning..
Who cares? It’s not like it has to be a problem over the long term. If it happens once you can get rid of him. No one says you have to listen to him bitch for months on end.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
you think they make a break that easy?
it’s a potential distraction, from when he ‘whines’, to the public knowing about that whining, to when they’d actually ‘get rid’ of him.
There’s also the idea of him not exactly complaining about his situation, but not giving his all and buying in either.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This isn't Vince Carter
And who cares about when the public knows about his whining? He could be gone before a word gets out to the public. I don’t know why it would be hard to make a break from him.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If TMAC is bitching.
that will be the biggest national story, regardless how many Boards Noah is pulling and how many Assists Rose is dishing. It will be hard to break with him because David Aldridge will be all up on TV talking about the TMAC thing and not Derrick Rose’s new three point shot.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right, TMac isn't Vince Carter.
Vince Carter is still fairly talented and relatively durable.
by pooriejay on Jul 26, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course it can be a long term problem
Its already starting on this board. The debate over whether McGrady should start or play more minutes will go on the entire time he is with the team. He is guaranteeing it with the attitude he has already shown. If he gets a few guys on his side (god forbid Rose takes his side, although he has already said McGrady was his hero when he was younger) and if you let him go, you get the team fighting amongst themselves and against management.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He was hurt in 2010, 2009, and 2008
If he can get healthy he’s much better than that. Also, while he may have posted some very low TS%s lately, he will be a more efficient player in a lesser role. He’s no longer going to be asked to be “the guy” so he’ll take much better looks and be much more efficient. If he can get healthy and alter his shot selection to match his role, i think he could be a 6th man- quality player, giving us 20 mpg, scoring at a TS% of ~.510, and creating for others. That last part is what makes TMac a more appealing option than guys like byars and almond.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Where's the evidence that he will be more efficient though?
The league average for TS% last year was 54.5%. He has only had one season above that…heck only two seasons above 53% TS…he has never been terribly efficient, so why would he start now?
USG% and TS% are negatively correlated
And his USG% will be way down on the Bulls compared to his days in Houston. It also simply makes intuitive sense that on a team with more offensive talent he’ll get better looks and convert more of them.
Pat Riley is the devil.
USG and TS% are negatively correlated on average, but not necessarily for individual players
T-Mac reduced his USG a lot last year and his TS% still went down.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ya
Thanks for the wording help on this one, that was exactly what I have been sitting here trying to type. In fact, look at McGrady’s stats. For him, there is actually a slight positive correlation between TS% and USG%. I know he’ll get better looks, but those Houston teams he was on were solid too and his TS% was pretty poor anyways. Rose at his side will help certainly, but let’s not kid ourselves about his efficiency.
Well I'm operating under the assumption that he was still hurt last year
Obviously, if he plays at the level he did last year, I want no part of him.
Pat Riley is the devil.
I think it's pretty indisputable
that he was hurt last year. The question is how much he’ll still be hurt next year.
i hope tmac decides to wear 6
That would be great
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 26, 2010 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good drama
But unless some miracle of modern science returns him to pre 2006-form… gonna be more of a running joke on tmac rather than LeBron.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does everyone forget that Thibodeau has already coached McGrady in Houston
Thibs knows what kind of guy they’re getting.
If there was even a doubt about McGrady, he likely wouldn’t sign off on this.
by Option27 on Jul 26, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
I would be one of the ones who forgot...
I didnt realize he had coached him. That vote of confidence probably has a big bearing on whether we sign him or go with another option.
this is a great point
Especially being able to have first hand experience is going to give us a great view on whether or not he’s just talking out of his ass
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Hey, even McGrady agrees!
“You can’t worry about that,” he said. "Again, Thibodeau was with me for three years, so if I was a bad locker room guy I don’t think he would have had any interest in bringing me here, if I was that type of player.
“There comes a time when people like to say a lot of negative things about a player that’s really not even true. I don’t even worry about that, I go on. People know me. A lot of people around this league know me and know I’m not that type of person.”
by Option27 on Jul 26, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Since when does Jerry Reinsdorf listen to anyone on personnel decisions?
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
TMac has value
in the respect that Rose has for him. Even if he can’t produce much on the court there is still no denying that at one point he was an elite NBA player, and especially an elite scorer. He has alot knowledge an experience in taking on that role under his belt, and Rose seems to embrace that and want to learn from him. If he is nothing but a mentor for Rose then it’s already worth it imo. That is…if he’s willing to accept that.
something
more influential than that of Lindsay Hunter
I think you missed my point
What in McGrady’s history suggests he’d be a good mentor for a young player? Just being a former star player doesn’t make you a good mentor.
McGrady may very well have more influence over Rose than Hunter did. My point was that that is not necessarily a good thing.
That's a good point
but at the very least McGrady could teach Rose how to get to the free throw line consistently.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
Or how to look out for yourself
and become a free agent gun for hire as soon as possible
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
1. Play against Heat
2. Have McGrady drive to the hoop
3. Bosh swats at him
4. McGrady crumples in a heap with a torn hamstring
5. Bosh gets ejected and suspended for 3 games
6. ???
7. PROFIT
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 26, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
So is the after giving it some thought...
What is the reason we would want Mcgrady? There has been alot of speculation that he would start shooting guard, but I’m starting to think that his ability to play the 2 and the 3. James Johnson’s poor performance leadsme to believe they are looking for a better backup behind Loul more so then a starting SG..
They don't have to sell McGrady anything
He’s the one that needs a job.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Who isn't?
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No no no... That gives him reason to have discontent.
Don’t worry about convincing him… he already wants to come here. I would rather give him MORE rather than LESS of what is promised. That’s probably the best way to keep him happy.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
We have no one who can create his own shot aside from Rose and Boozer
I’ve been very scared about this team’s offense. Deng doesn’t really create shots, Noah no, Korver is a spot up shooter, Brewer is there for his defense. Watson is our next best guy? We’re in trouble and need more guys who can put up points. Hopefully that’s T-Mac.
by The90sBullsRevival on Jul 26, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
pargo can create his own shot too
Difference is whether he can get a shot in the flow of the offense and do it without turning it into iso myturn shots
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Brewer can create. It's just
his shot selection is primarily dunks and 8-14 feet.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did you get the idea that T-Mac shooting is a good thing?
If you want guys who can score, there are d-leaguers who can do it better than T-Mac can. T-Mac is a passer.
by YaoPau on Jul 26, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
more efficiently maybe
but it’d have to be one confident DLeaguer to come in off the bench and create shots for himself (and others) as good as McGrady.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
How well does TMac really get to the line?
Last time he played even a remotely consistent amount of games and time was when he was 28 years old and he got to the line 5.3 times on 19.3 FGA…that’s not anything to write home about. Since then, he’s got to have lost a step considering surgeries and all. I’ll take efficient scoring off the bench all day long.
Ugh
But Rose’s TS was at 53.2% last year, better than all but one of TMac’s years, and he’s only 21, and he has time to learn to get to the line…either way that’s beside the point…I made no claims about Rose there, just countering Option’s argument that TMac gets to the line by saying he didn’t do an amazing job of it when he was 28 and now he’s older and more broken.
Almond actually seems like that guy. He loves to create shots for himself.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 26, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
if anything maybe this signing keeps brewer on edge a little and keeps him from slacking off
I don’t see brewer losing his starting spot unless tmac miraculously recovers or brewer himself sucks ass to the point that tmac is an upgrade
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So I guess the reports are different...Mcgrady dislike for Miami seems to not bee true..
McGrady, who also has expressed interest in joining Miami as a bench player in support of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, said he wouldn’t mind joining the Bulls in a reserve role, but his preference would be to start.
Looks like he is just saying whatever it takes to get a contract…
loook if
he has a chance to start im ok if he proves he is 100 percent and bck healthy and ready to roll. let him and brewer fight it out in training camp if he is not healthy put him on the bench if he is and outdoes brewer give him a chance to start and monitor his minutes. dont ever underestimate someone’s heart and if he is like that he might surpise some of you and if not then he does not start and contributes in a small role. the guy is a good passer ,good shooter can drive and has never played with a point guard in rose who can get him open looks give him a shot he was putting up 20 point games and 10 or more in other games while recovering from surgery and still rehabbing lol ill take that anyday . and if he doesnt pan out its not a big loss how can you not see this its a win/oh well situation win if he is productive being a starter or being a scorer off the bench of ohhh well didnt work out no loss here
If the Bulls pass
I don’t see any way this doesn’t come back to bit them in the ass. I have similar concerns about the offense and what TMac could possibly provide would be a perfect fit for this roster.
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on Jul 26, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
what can t mac provide?
I don’t know maybe it’s just me but, it looks like he put on some pounds, he looks chunker. He needs to lose some weight if you ask me.
by Da Bears2333333 on Jul 26, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with DRose
in that if he can give the Bulls half of himself, hell even a third of it, he’d be good enough to start here. Brewer was settled on at the SG position.
Remember, he was never guaranteed a starting spot here.
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by Just got mugged by Pete Myers on Jul 26, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Who else is going to be bummed/disappointed if we don't get McGrady?
I am hoping the bulls finally take a chance on someone
I will if we hear something about anybody other than an unproven guy
like Almond or Byars. I’m tired of the re-tread talk.
a chance makes more sense when you have more cap room
this is a reclamation project on the end of the roster. It’d make them more interesting but likely won’t be much of an impact even if successful.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i think
it would be stupid if they didnt give him a chance he will give you 10 to 20 points a night he did so with the knicks and he is far more healthy now then with them and plus with drose dishing him the ball and his passing abilities to boozer noah and deng and rose or spotting up for 3’s or driving past someone ,posting up the guy can do it still give him a shot
His preference to start was the nail in the coffin
My guess is they are speaking to Rose to tell him they will not sign McGrady. The comment
McGrady said he wouldn’t mind coming off the bench, but his preference would be to start.may have killled his coming to the bulls.
Why is it people only read the first part of this sentence
And pay no attention to the first half of it.
He says right there he wouldn’t mind coming off the bench. I’d hope he wants to start.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
unintentional funny
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Ha.. yes, damn you typos
My disgust for people focusing solely on the second half of the sentence, led me to do the same with the first half it seems.
Although I guess it’s still correct.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would you hope he wants to start?
We have 11 roster spots in place with a pretty full rotation. Why would you want the 12th guy on your roster to expect 25-30 minutes a game?
If he really wanted to be here, he would’ve said “I’ll gladly accept any role that Coach Thibodeau will give me” and not “I want to be a starter.”
i like people who aim high.
theres nothing wrong with aiming high as long as he knows that if he cant prove it to us he has to take a spot on the bench.
if he proves he can back up his words are you really going to say no you cant start no matter what?
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Who said anything about expect?
Want and expect are very different things. I want a billion dollars, I do not expect it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Want an expect are synonyms in any former NBA superstar's vocabulary.
He’s not going to announce to the media “I EXPECT TO START” when he hasn’t even been offered a contract yet. But the fact that he’s said he “wants” to start for a team that has not yet signed him should tell you something about his sense of entitlement. Especially when the only other team who’s shown interest in him is the Clippers.
He also said he is willing to sit on the bench
Everyone wants to start, you have no evidence TMac is a team cancer, clearly the players seem to like the guy. The coach who has coached him for three years was willing to give him a look. He must not be that much of an asshole.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
The dude's looking for a job! Of course he's gonna try to say the right things, and he can't even do that right.
No evidence? Here’s my evidence: NO OTHER NBA TEAM HAS SHOWN ANY INTEREST IN HIM. That means 1 of 2 things (or both) – he’s bad for team chemistry when he doesn’t get treated like a starter, or his injuries are too serious. Personally, I think it’s both. Neither bodes well for him.
Team cancer may be too strong
but he was at odds with his last 2 coaches – D’Antoni and Adelman
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 26, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Proof about D'Antoni?
The only thing I saw with him, is that D’antoni thought he had too far to go in his comeback to be counted on. Nothing about his game or his attitude.
If I was trying to convince you to give me a million dollars
I would say all sorts of things.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone see this comment
“I’m very excited about the opportunity,” McGrady said of playing with Rose. "If I do choose to come here, he’d definitely be the best point guard I’ve played with.
This comment “if i do choose to come here” makes me think he may have gotten an offer, maybe a low-ball offer?
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by J Theory on Jul 26, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I have decided....gosh, this is hard....
….to bring my talents to west beach. West, Oak Street Beach.
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I have decided to bring my talents to China and play with Stephon. We’re going to build a superteam.
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he's been saying a lot of "we" about the Bulls, already, too.
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Yea, I noticed that too
Not sure what to make of it, if anything
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
If he doesn't get an offer it's going to be awkard
He might even still show up and become a stalker/creep of the Bulls.
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by J Theory on Jul 26, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
or do something worse
like join BaB
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
he will stick out like a sore thumb with all his positive praise of the organization
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by sin on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
nah, just playing the lots-of-teams-wants-me game
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
in his mind maybe
His options are very limited, regardless of what he may believe
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by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 26, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
And we know this how?
He could probably be a bench player on any team in the NBA if they have the cap space.
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 26, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
Tough summer for Bulls fans. They think they’re getting LeBron or JJ, instead they get Boozer and McGrady.
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 26, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions
'they'?
who the hell are you?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Language…
"I’m tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok." ~Shaq
by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry
who the fuck are you?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 23 recs
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It was hot, empty, scary, and surprisingly swampy.
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by cubbybear on Jul 26, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
there should be more colors
or tints of green…like at 3 you become light green….and 10 you become Super green…and at 20 you become Ultra Super Saiyan Green….4!!!!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 26, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe at 20, the blog just shuts down for 20 seconds.
During which we watch Nocioni score 7 points in 11 seconds. Then, back to our usual programming.
Phoenix fan?
anyway we still better than many minutes pargo and starter taj
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
what the HELL are you 10?
and seriously who the HELL are you
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I’ll give ya Boozer over Bosh, at least now. But I’m not a big fan of Bosh
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by Max_in_Missouri on Jul 26, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Well great, you sure settled that...
Give us our trophy now I guess?
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 26, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You must be new here
We were doing happiness backflips when we didn’t get JJ.
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"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
by Cosmis on Jul 26, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think what this proves yet again is that the Bulls have worn me down
I’d usually be interested in potential upside of McGrady and not giving a fudge about locker room dynamics or character or culture or all of that. But the Bulls and their merely above-average offseason means we’re locked into this, and counting on that type of cohesion to give us a few extra wins this year, so why jeopardize it for a bench player? We need that 4th seed!
I think they should sign him out of making things interesting, I still worry about dumping too much on Thibodeau too soon. Why have a whole team that could potentially buy into what he’s selling, yet add someone who’s seemingly never bought in to anything?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:13 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
arent we pretty much guaranteed a 4th seed by default since theres no team in the central taht can challenge us anymore?
cleveland is dead and by default we should be the top team there which would give us a top 4 spot right? or am i forgetting something.
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Milwaukee?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 26, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Milwaukee is the team we’ll be competing with for the division crown this year, IMO. I think we beat them by a few games, but I think they’ll make it interesting.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
healthy i dont think they stand a chance against us
rose > jenning (unless jennings somehow bulked up like mad this summer) rose will easily take him with his size advantage.
boozer/noah are bettter than bogut + scrub
deng imo is good enough to defend any of their wing guys
and i doubt brewer doesnt hold his own against redd/salmons etc
and our bench looks better than theirs as well
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They won 46 games last year and got better over the offseason
While I’m not projecting a huge improvement from that number – I seem to remember another overachieving Skiles team that failed the make the improvement everyone projected for them – I do see them winning ~48-50 games this year, and I see us a few games better than that.
Redd is effectively a non-entity for them, but Corey Maggette will be a force. They’ve got Salmons too, and made some nice pick-ups this offseason. I’m not saying they’re better (I think we’re a few games better), but I think it’ll be a battle this season.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
MIA, BOS, ORL and ATL could beat us
MIL could surpriese as well as Skiles is still in his first years – which are good – we have a injury prone bunch
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
atl if they get shaq IMO
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wouldn't that mean a 3 seed?
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they take the 2nd place finisher with the highest record
and seed them amongst the division winners
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
gotcha
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I'm so sick of having an inexperienced coach
This was the one major drawback to hiring him. Once again we have to worry about how the coach will handle this situation, and that situation. It’s very tiring. If he’s as good as people seem to think he’ll be, who cares? He should be more than capable of handling Tracy Mcgrady. If he’s not, we probably got the wrong guy.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
well he could be a better coach in year two than in year one
you’d be willing to write him off because McGrady acts like a pud?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
I’m saying it shouldn’t even be something we have to worry about when considering signing McGrady (or anyone else for that matter). He’s been an assistant for a long ass time, he should already be well versed in diffusing situations like this. If the Bulls have to bring in a special type of player just for the coaches sake, we probably hired the wrong coach.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's underestimating the job promotion
as an assistant, he can always play the good cop, here he’d be taking away minutes
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not arguing that it's not a more difficult job
but that’s why you hire someone, because they can handle the job, and all the problems that come with it. I’m saying, the very idea that we have to be concerned about him in this situation is an indictment of hiring him in the first place.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it's not an indictment because we know nothing about him
If some guy on the street worries whether the new GM CEO can handle the restructuring, it doesn’t reflect anything about the CEO. It says something about the individual guy on the street, it may even say something about the public perception of GM, but nothing about whether the CEO is a good choice or fully qualified.
I worry about things like this because i’m concerned if any coach can fully handle it. D’Antoni’s response to Nate Robinson was to sit him for an entire month, put him back in, and then trade him for somebody that was worse than Nate. Thibs is certainly capable of sitting McGrady and then having him traded or released. I just would rather not have to hear a bunch of reports about it.
it was also pointed out earlier that thibs has dealt with tmac before so i really doubt he would have a problem with him
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maybe he doesn't want to seem negative :)
he’s the new guy!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
well the last two experienced coaches T-Mac played for told him to go away
and not come back. So I don’t know if having an experienced guy would help the situation.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 26, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not a big T-Mac fan but I'm down with the whaddahell stance
we want suck that much more if he is an ass and if he can gives us some glimpses of brilliantism we can create a self illusion that we win it all … until things get real when we are out again… pretty much like the last 2 playoffs series
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the character/culture stuff should be discounted here
This is the first guy, I can remember, that Rose has sort of gone on record saying the Bulls should get. I mean, besides a no brainer like Lebron. He’s said he looked up to TMac
And TMac definitely has some douche-like qualities.
From that perspective, the Bulls are actually in a tough spot. They should demonstrate enough interest in TMac so Rose doesn’t feel like they’re un-serious, but they’re right to be wary about bringing in a guy with a superstar ego who likely can’t play to match it anymore.
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i dont give a shit what drose said personally
drose was commenting on a player he looked up to growing up. obviously hes not that player anymore. it would be like him asking management to go out and get michael back.
that being said though i still want tmac as a bench player and to keep brewer alert and keep him from slacking if he ever did/does
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oh man, what if Rose did say get Michael back?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
more importantly
could you?
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by sin on Jul 26, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or if Rose wants us to add Walter Davis?
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
If the Bulls won 41 games last year with that roster/coach/ and all them injuries
I have a really hard time believing they can’t get over 50 with this coach/roster.
Take the Cavs out of first place and that puts the Bulls right there in the 3rd seed
Miami
Orlando
Chicago
Atlanta
Boston
Milwaukee
Charlotte
New York
i dont see atlanta being better than boston still
id say mil is up there for top 4 if bogut stays healthy
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They don't have to be "better"
to win more regular-season games. The Celtics are old, will miss Perkins for ~half the season, and may not even bother to try lining up healthy for 82 games this year.
I could see the exact scenario up above play out, and then a healthy Celtics team dispatching of the Hawks in 5 games in the first round.
"You can't be afraid to play somebody because they've got 3 really good players. How are you going to win if you're afraid to play? We're not going to be afraid to play - we're going to fight, we're going to attack, we're going to throw it out there and see what happens." - Carlos Boozer
maybe
But the Bulls and their merely above-average offseason means we’re locked into this
I’ve seen the Bulls ranked 2nd in the few articles I’ve read about moves in the off-season. THe Bulls have had a top notch off-season and have a chance to go deep.
REAL deep.
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by Rex Grossman on Jul 26, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
someone had to be 2nd
the Heat are places 1-20
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just hope this doesn't go on and on for days....
I hope by the end of tonight we either know if he is going to sign with the Bulls or not! Its been about a month now of he said/she said, analyzing comments by us….I just want it to be over, have an awesome roster and be happy about it!!
Tmac really seems to want to play for chicago, that must mean something. I’m going to be pissed if he signs with some team and returns to a high level of play. Cmon Gar/Pax just sign him already!
I'm considering no overflow thread
just let this grind slowly like McGrady’s knees
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
all these players are coming out of the woodwork in favor of TMAC
why is everyone suggesting he would be a cancer if everyone wants him on the team??? cmonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
to have someone to blame if things don't work out
“We have been trainining hard but.. you know… mcgrady just distract us so much…”
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 26, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He would still be
7 yrs older than the next oldest Bull: McGrady. He’s just trying to narrow the gap a little bit so he can relate to the rest of the people in the locker room.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kurt Thomas wants someone who is almost as old as he is
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YFBB, if you are still on this thread I have a suggestion....
Is there anyway Blogabull can add a section for “social media” of bulls players like tweets or facebook comments? I think its cool on espn.com or hoopshype.com where they have the twitter section. It could help keep us up to date on all the players or even bulls journalists?
theres a section where you can see all of yfbb's tweets
thats all that matters!
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agreed.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you remove that stupid Facebook link? You have no fans, and anytime I log on it drops me down to that shit.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought I was the only one annoyed by it
I had to specifically block facebook in order to avoid this behavior.
I only take requests via email
I honestly don’t know the part ‘dropping down’. I do know all too well that I have no fans :(
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's the only fillable form on the page
So if you’re not logged into facebook, some browsers will drop you to that line every time you refresh the front page.
The worst part about that is the it looks like I'm on facebook but i'm not,
so when a friend chats me up I don’t see it and cant respond, and I look like a jackass. It happens all of the time.
I thought that drop down thing was only me...
So annoying…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
i will take this over pargo any day of the week
KCJHoop Sounds like TMac shot ball very well but still showed some mobility issues in Bulls workout.
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Yea, but the mobility thing makes it sound like the Bulls are creating their reasoning for not signing him
We all know KC is getting this stuff right from the horses mouth
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
which horse though
the smart one or the puppet
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which one is the puppet again
and wait…theres a smart one?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 26, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mobility Issues?
Maybe he can apply for a FREE Rascal Scooter!
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Is this good or bad?:
KCJHoop
Sounds like TMac shot ball very well but still showed some mobility issues in Bulls workout.
Superteams suck.
probably bad
it’s not like he’ll become a better shooter than he’s been in his career
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe him not being fully healthy could be a blessing
He can take it easy the first part of the season, and possibly work his way in to a bigger role
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Two vets that have become way better shooters
Grant Hill and Jason Kidd.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
TMac without mobility is not TMac.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I disagree with that
He’s always been a tremendous athlete. But his game has been a lot more than that. He posts up, and passes very well, which doesn’t take supreme athleticism.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd feel a lot better if he were a knock-down three-point shooter.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
whats to say he wont revert to that if its showing he cant move as well anymore
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Revert?
His best season was 37% 3pt shooting.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wrong word
meant something more along the lines of digressing to a stand still shooter
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
"Become" could be good enough.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, thats the role I think he should play as well.
The best McGrady I can picture is the one standing at the 3pt line waiting for a kickback and nailing 4 out of 10.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be great.
His career 3p % (.337) doesn’t bode well for that, but I’d embrace it.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Mobility issues meaning less movement without the ball
Less explosiveness, lack of ability to lose your defender, leading to fewer open looks. Just because he’s gotten slow doesn’t mean he’ll be a better shooter.
Oh, you mean like Eddie House or Roger Mason Jr.?
Guys with no injury history who likely would have no problem accepting limited roles but nevertheless have gone overlooked because they’re not sexy names or former superstars?
why so against tmac
at worst hes a 12th man which is what we are signing at this point
he can stand there and shoot just like the other two you listed
on the other hand the other two dont have upsides like tmac
if tmac is healthy he can carry the offense on a slow night every so often
something you cannot rely on house/mason for
theres literally nothing to lose. if he sucks then hes a the 12th man on the bench big deal.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
agreed
roger mason, shannon brown, or eddie house arent going to put the bulls over the hump. a healthy mcgrady could.
we have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to lose
tmac is the one that needs us.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
"A healthy McGrady"
A unicorn could help, too, I bet.
Sorry I’m coming off as snarky. I’ve just been back and forth on this TMac question for a few days now.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha. Does Brad Miller have mobility issues?
I would say yes.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 26, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Brad is 7 feet tall...
That helps… Somewhat.
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
We never had to worry about Brad Miller complaining about minutes because he was high as a kite.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
that sucks. i dont see why the bulls should do this now. bring on boring roger mason/eddie house/derrick byars!
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
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Wow, I am shocked, SHOCKED that Tracy McGrady has mobility issues.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
almost as shocked as brewer
when before the bulls press conference the doctor told him his arm was bent weird?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
im waiting for the tweet
that says
tmac will be signed by the bulls as soon as he passes his physical
which is when we can all relax because we will then know that tmac will not be signed by the bulls
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
damn people who box fake text
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 26, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the key is to look for bq
with a stream of text underlined and red….or a word in the middle of the text box that is randomly red….that means its an actual quote with an actual link…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
fine
make me do all the work
;)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
TMac is sounding like that really hot girl/guy back in H.S. who wouldn't give you the time of day.
But now, a failed marriage or two, a few kids, thirty pounds, and tens of thousands of dollars in debt later, she or he is looking at you and your steady job, solid credit and relatively drama-free life, hoping that you’re still carrying a torch for her or him.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
why does this sound so damn familiar?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
No idea.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD
we’re back to fucking girl/guy analogies again
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 26, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
always consistent
always suck
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
if only they were actually like that
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 26, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
and the room goes *BOOM*
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I guess we got Mcoozer instead of these douche bag's
I’m soooooo o.k. with it suck miami
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by SpankyDABull on Jul 26, 2010 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Regarding KCs tweet....
If his mobility was such an issue why were the bulls and McGrady supposedly going to talk contract over lunch????
Maybe the org's putting it out there to lessen his expectations of starting?
Or maybe they’re challenging him?
Or preparing to not sign him, perhaps hinting that he wanted more than he’s worth?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 26, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If McGrady was merely looking for a consistent 15-25 minutes
of playing time off the bench, he would probably be worth even though he struggles to get the ball to got through the basket. The Bulls really need someone that can run the team when Rose is off the court. Watson is solid pickup, but he doesn’t create for other players well enough to really be that guy. McGrady even with crappy shooting he has been such a good passer and low turnover ball handler that he’s still been a positive offensive player. That’s why I initially entertained the idea weeks ago.
That said I only grow more disinterested in the idea. I’d rather make my low risk/moderate reward bet on Thibodeau getting something out of James Johnson than McGrady.
by Scotter on Jul 26, 2010 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't see JJ getting minutes whether we sign T Mac or not
The minutes available will be for guys that can play the two and three. JJ can barely play one of those spots. Plus, even if we don’t sign McGrady, we’ll sign someone. And that person will take JJ’s minutes
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 26, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
if james johnson can steal backup minutes from tmac
ill consider that a reward
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 26, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our interest in McGrady sounds a bit like
the death knell on JJ’s career. It’s like the Bulls took one look at the summer league and said: this man must never see the floor.
And I can’t blame them.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I think people have way overreacted to
summer league.
I’m not at all a JJ fan and wasn’t a fan of the decision to draft him, but this prevailing belief that he is completely worthless has gotten ridiculous.
What’s the significant difference between Johnson and McGrady considering this is the season they are coming off of?
Can we trade for Carlos Zambrano?
Like he can give us that thrust, you know?
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someone might have forgotten to higlight this quote from tmac:
“If I was the player I was in a Knicks uniform, I would have no problem coming off the bench,” he said. “But I have worked extremely hard and I’m far from that player. It’s up to me in training camp to prove I’m a starter.”
someone forgot to read it above.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 26, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, its totally way too hard to read like, 5-10 things before you post.
although in fairness, I reposted earlier too :(
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two fairly capable players competeing fir the 2 job
Is deffinately better then one captain dirt… Competition at a position is not necessarily all bad maybe two can compliment eachother very well, and considering other options out there low risk chance Bulls front office should prolly take….. Put it this way atleast Bulls Fans know they are already in a better position than last year
new thread
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/7/26/1589316/monday-night-mcgrady
locking this one, and burning it.
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