I expect the Bulls to sign McGrady later this week
If healthy and willing to come off bench
almost 2 years ago
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I figured this was what was going to happen, based on Tmacs tweets
and that the Clippers just signed Rasual Butler.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/423908-nba-free-agency-rumor-eddie-house-to-chicago-bulls?2650610
bleacherreport is poopsworld quality and worse
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
i see nothing wrong with this. if he cracks the rotation, that means he’s contributing. if he doesn’t. its ok. low risk, high reward. i’ve wanted this to happen. hopefully it does.
I've been on the fence about signing McGrady,
but I’d be cool with it if
- he knows (and accepts) his role
- he doesn’t disrupt our team’s chemistry (kind of goes along with the 1st one)
- he’s healthy
eat. sleep. hoop. repeat. become legendary.
I like T-Mac signing if it happens
He is a proven winner, a true champion
Modest and gets along with others
Honorable and keeps his word/reliable
Derrick will be able to learn a lot from him and walk in his footsteps.
He will be great in the dressing room.
I almost threw up writing this crap.
We’ll be lucky to get 41 wins next season if we get that cancer of a man on our team.
i was really hoping
he would be taking his talents…. elsewhere.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
"He is a proven winner, a true champion"
No. No he’s not actually.
Your sarcasm detector has failed you.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 25, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Ha
Didn’t even read the whole post. I’ve grown confused by the amount of support for TMac in here.
Lol
I was almost going to do the same thing! Luckily, the rec’d “sarcasm detector” post made me go back to realize what I’d missed.
by GriggsBriggs on Jul 25, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Still we’re not talking about T-Mac in the same role. When he bumped heads with Adelman last season it wasn’t because T-mac was being a prima donna.
I can see where some people are concerned but I can’t see him being a cancer. With the Knicks he stayed in the pack…even though he was given the green light to take over the show.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
Former all-star for the vet min...
…if he can still play, cool. If not, eat his piddly contract…or trade said piddly contract for Rudy…;)
by streamsowhiskey on Jul 26, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
This is awesome if he's willing to be second fiddle to Brewer
I guess he’d be somewhere around the 7th man. That’d be an awesome second team
Watson
McGrady
Korver
Gibson
Asik
i would love that second unit
With tmac in place we’d have a designated scorer for the second unit should boozer/rose need a break/hit foul trouble etc
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
We used to have a guy come off the bench and score lots of points.........
That was because the coach was dumb, though.
by cubbybear on Jul 25, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That lineup
would make the playoffs on it’s own.
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying." -- Michael Jordan
by bennythebull on Jul 25, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
that lineup could win as many games as the nets last year
this is truth
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
im just afraid we arent gunna get out of the first round
Otherwise id love the guy
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
So I guess we won't be making the second round. :-/
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 25, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Why?
You think it makes that much of a difference? Plus, even if he is a problem, I expect us to have everything ironed out by the time the Playoffs start anyway. If it has a negative impact, it will most likely be felt during the first half of the season
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a joke, you know on McGrady's playoff history?
I doubt he makes a huge difference, but I have more confidence in McGrady than Jimmy Johns
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
oh noes, playoff history!
Chris Paul posted a 30-something PER in this first playoff, and his 2nd go-round he posted a 16.1.
Playoff history: great litmus test for predicting performance.
BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THERE
:((((((((
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 26, 2010 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
don't step too far out on the limb :)
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 25, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he could be better than Toni Kukoc, if Toni played blindfolded.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and was actually Hedo Turkoglu
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
"I'm never leaving Chicago."- Derrick Rose
Hmm... looks like KC has been pretty off on this one
I don’t have a problem with it. People make too much of this “He’s a cancer” stuff. Out of all the big time superstars, T Mac always seemed like a pretty laid back dude. I don’t think it’ll be an issue. Plus, we might look like we’re set now, but one injury to a wing player could throw everything off ::Cough::Luol Deng::Cough::
Superteams suck.
Not really. We've got McGrady, Korver, Brewer, and JJ all legit SF's.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 25, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That's true, except for the "Legit" part
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
How about....
I don’t think JJ is a legit SF.
Is he too legit to quit?
Gar is going to fuck the shit out of your mother
by Bullbo Baggins on Jul 25, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewer is the starting SG
JJ is anything but legit and Korver is a specialist.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
KC's been pretty far off on a lot of things it seems
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Yeah thats what I’ve been thinking if T-Mac exploded it’d be pretty out of character. Hes had his moments buuut hes really been by his teammates for the most part.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
i think the worry is more
fomenting discontent and disharmony between the players and coaches/management. as i recall the issue in houston was that he said he was ready to return from injury and said as much to the media, while the rockets’ staff didn’t think he was ready and were pissed that he went around them and made a scene out of it in the press. and that he doesn’t practice hard or do a very good job of staying in shape. it’s not so much that he wouldn’t get along with the other players, but that he might set some bad examples for our impressionable young core.
i'm hot for teacher
T-Mac was obviously not the same player but Adelman didn’t want to put him in because he hated T-Mac. Him and some people on his staff felt that T-Mac quit on them earlier. So they’ve at one point seen an unmotivated McGrady but I still think its not as black and white as that. If you’re constantly getting injured its hard to get out of bed every morning as well.
I really can’t see the point of him coming to this team and slacking off. We’re up and coming/fresh its just a different feel and a new chapter. He always wants a challenge and right now no one believes in him again. Not much to lose to me especially since his role isn’t that big.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
Can you tell me more about Adelman?
Adelman didn’t want to put him in because he hated T-Mac. Him and some people on his staff felt that T-Mac quit on them earlier.
How does he feel about Brad Miller playing in Houston? What are his thoughts on Tim Donaghy costing his team a title? Another insights on how he feels?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
If you just take this move at face value, and forget about any potential baggage that McGrady brings
all they’re doing is signing the best available player to fill a roster spot. I’m sure the Bulls will have a LOOOONG talk with him about what his role will/can be. If he signs here it will definitely mean that he is ok with it
Superteams suck.
I do wonder how Ronnie Brewer feels about this though
Supposedly he chose us over Boston because he would be starting here. If they signed T Mac, he would have a legitimate threat for that job.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
didnt the article say the big req for giving him a contract would be his ability/willingness to play off the bench?
and i mean if brewer has to worry about losing his job to a washed up tmac then we have problems
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 25, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i was thinking the same thing, tho can Brewer play the 1 with Tmac at the 2? and korver at the 3, cuz that takes a lot of scoring pressure off brewer
Maybe, but how does CJ Watson fit in that mix?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Putting him at shooting guard would be a bad move
Except for the speed, the guy is only 6-2 and has a pretty thin frame. It would be a bad basketball version of a kamikaze attack.
by GriggsBriggs on Jul 25, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Golden State never played Watson at the 2
That tells me he is not capable of any position other than point guard.
but if he's playing with curry
or ellis, it’s a more blurry line. when he’s playing with morrow he’s obviously the PG. but he has a pretty high rate of assisted FG for a PG, which does indicate he’s playing off the ball a bit.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
by Jaina on Jul 26, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The article says he would have to accept a bench role
Brewer will still be the starter.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
True
but it will eventually be a problem if T Mac can return to form (which is a longshot, I know)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that's a good problem to have
And let’s say it does happen. TMac is signing a one year deal most likely, so he’d find a new team next year at a much higher salary if he did show he could be a starter again, and Brewer would still be here.
So worst case, Brewer is benched for a couple months and gets his job back next year, and we have a superstar SG in the lineup for the playoffs this year. I don’t see this as much of a problem.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewer said in his press conference something along the lines of
Him not being promised a starting job but hoped to earn it and do whatever it took to contribute to wins
If McGrady is awesome again, and we just let him go at the end of the season, that would piss me off
We’d have his bird rights, so we could keep him on no matter how much he costed. That’s another reason why this move is good. We’ll eventually need another star/playmaker on this team. It’s a longshot, but McGrady could be that guy. For his price, it’s worth the risk. It takes guys a long time to recover from that surgery. Nothing risked, nothing gained
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine, resign him.
Again.. the fact is there is no downside. You seemed concerned about Brewer’s playtime, I’d assumed you wanted to move forwards. The point is, your worrying is unnecessary.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
huh?
Where did I ever sound concerned? I’ve been saying I was ok with this move for a while…
All I was saying about Brewer, is that I wonder how he feels about it. That’s all.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares how he feels about it?
If it’s a problem, it’s one that is easily solved.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
If we had signed Wade, Brewer wouldn't have gotten any playing time with us.
It’s not about one player, it’s about the team.
Wouldn't have his Bird rights
Player has to have played under the same contract for 3 years or with the same team for 3 consecutive seasons to get Bird rights. Though who knows how much the rules will change under the new CBA.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
What?
If T-Mac returns to form that isn’t a problem at all. If T-Mac goes back to being an All-Star I would hope that Ronnie Brewer would be ok coming off the bench. If not, trade him.
Well, it's great for us as fans
but I’m sure Brewer wouldn’t like it too much. Players wanna play, especially young, talented players.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If he's that talented he won't lose his job
If TMac takes the job, Brewer will get it back next year. They’ll be fine.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a non issue at this point. T-Mac is not returning to 20+ PER and leading the league in usage.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What if he's a 17-18 PER guy?
That’s still probably better than Brewer
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that would be a good problem to have
Still probablybring him off the bench, but play him starter’s minutes.
Even then, Brewer's job is safe. There's no comparison on defense, and I'm guessing Thibs is keen on that.
T-Mac hasn’t shot above 43% from the field since his peak seasons, he’s nothing great from the arc or free throw line. He’ll have some big nights once in a while, but they’re bringing him more for the passing ability than anything else.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree
i think his offensive versatility is something the Bulls could use, especially with the 2nd unit. I can see McGrady playing a lot of minutes when Rose is not on the floor working as the designated decision maker / ball handler. He can handle the ball, spot up, create for himself, have big scoring nights – the Bulls don’t have a guy with that type of versatility on the wings.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 25, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Great point
His passing will be a welcome addition on the second unit. Even though I love the Watson signing, he’s not typically a guy that will get other guys shots. McGrady can do that kind of stuff when he’s going well.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
McGrady's role on the 2nd unit
If he can do all this stuff, it sounds like he can do for the Bulls what Odom does for the Lakers. Not a bad thing at all.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy
10 years after we were cockteased with tmac we finally get him
so that means kobe will be leaving la for chicago in 2014 right? he’ll only be 35!!!
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
no matter what happens during the season
all these signings have made the summer fun
If McGrady can return to health than
I think he can come is as the first wing off the bench and be pretty valuable. Even when injured, McGrady has been a guy to give you good rebound and assist numbers (PER36) for his position. He would turn Korver into a specialist and make Jimmy Johns irrelevant. He would also probably cut Watson’s minutes. My concern is a minutes crunch on the wing, with all these guys expecting to play. But if everyone checks their egos, it could work out.
Rose 36 / Watson 12
Brewer 28 / McGrady 12 / Watson or Korver depending on the game 8
Deng 33 / McGrady 8 / Korver 7
Boozer 32 / Taj 16
Noah 34 / Boozer 2 / Asik 12
And we’d be well stocked in case of injury. This isn’t the fool proof roster we handed in VDN last year. Thibs will have to make some decisions on who to play, in what combination and when.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 25, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I like the minute distribution
I also like the fact that Deng will be subjected to a 3rd-option role, as well as Gibson coming off the bench. This can bode very well for the team.
Nice minute breakdown
I think it would look something like that. With Korver and Watson’s roles being minimized the most
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It wouldn't make sense if Korver, the guy we signed to a three year deal on the first day of free agency, played fewer minutes than McGrady, the guy with major injury concerns we picked up on a minimum deal (hopefully) to fill the 12th spot on the roster.
You have to think that Korver will be the first guy off the bench and Deng’s primary back up at SF. The lack of three point shooting was a huge problem at times last year. TMac (33.7% career from deep) won’t help that much. Korver will.
Probably holds true for the first month or so
After that, minutes should be distributed based on merit, not based on salary.
You have a point about the three point shooting, tho.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jul 25, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You're forgetting Kurt Thomas?
That will modify the minutes distribution for C/PF.
by jpx7 on Jul 25, 2010 6:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Tracy coming off the bench is totally fine with me
He’d just playing that “spark off the bench” role and not affecting too much off the starters commitment to defense.
Fills the last gaping hole in the roster.
Low risk/high reward possibilities.
Just hope this doesn’t end up like the Iverson debacle in Memphis.
We should probably put away any hopes of this becoming a top 5 defense.
However, with all the pieces they have it could definitely be a top 10 offense.
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Rose is such a terrible defender though.
Even his most avid supporters have to admit it. Watching him on the floor last night was like watching a matador without the cape. No pun intended.
What I don’t understand is that the first rule about being a good defender is that you have to WANT to be a good defender. You have to be passionate about it. Rose looks so clueless out there, that I’m wondering what the hell is going on in his head.
Just WANT IT. Want it and it that’s half the battle.
When evaluating defense
You shouldn’t put too much into steals.
A lot of steals are off gambles or already tipped balls.
With the team around him in that scrimmage, you would expect him to get steals. Lots of actice hands. Also, the game wasn’t taken too seriously.
It was sloppy
by Option27 on Jul 25, 2010 3:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I never said it wasn't an act of defense
But it’s very decieving.
A man can easily have a horrid game defensively and yet still come up with 3 or 4 steals
If I am judging someones defense by lookin’ at a stat, I was look at the opposing players field goal percentage first
by Option27 on Jul 25, 2010 4:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Boozer is not a good defender, neither is Rose.
Korver and McGrady guarding wing players? That’s a joke. They were 10th last year, I expect them to remain at that level.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 25, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Korver and McGrady
will be playing a lot of minutes with Watson, Taj, and Asik, who are good defenders. I don’t think it will affect our team defense quite as severely as you might think.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Meh, breaking it down by individuals is kinda pointless
As long as you have a good team defense (which is why we hired Thibs), and a good defensive big man (Noah), you should be able to be as good as you wanna be.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lineups:
First Team:
Rose
Brewer
Deng
Boozer
Noah
Second Team:
Watson
McGrady
Korver
Taj
Asik
That’s pretty deep.
With Kurt Thomas and James Johnson as leftovers
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 25, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd actually feel better with Thomas playing instead of Asik or Taj
But that’s cuz Asik is a relative unknown.
The idea of getting McGrady is like Grant Hill's Filas in 1997
At first I thought they were ugly. But I kept seeing them in stores more and more. Then the price dropped to $39.99. Then I joined the JV basketball team and I needed a new pair of shoes… so I eventually got them.
And you know what? I was a bench player but they turned out alright in the end. :)
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 25, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
wouldn't will bynum be a better target?
the offense can run through him because he’s a skilled penetrator. additionally, he can step in for rose if he’s injured.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Him and Watson are basically the same player
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if they're not
The point stands that there are no significant minutes left at the PG spot.
Dear TMac
Loved you in your prime, esp. the self-alley-oop passes in All Start games…
but if you whine and cry about playing time and act like a bitch, im sending her at you.
Best Regards,
Fan #783769885789
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by Belize on Jul 25, 2010 4:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I dont see
a problem with trying out mcgrady the guy can shoot driver and shoot the 3 handle and ball and is a good passer what more do you want? sure he is a injured guy but with our depth he can come in and do what he does best and remember he never played with a point guard like rose before he can just spot up and shoot just imagine him , rose and korver on the floor or watson,korver and mcgrady all 35 percent or higher 3 point shooters thats lethal. as far as being injured he doesn’t have to play heavy minutes like he did in new york cause we have guys like brewer and watson to play the shooting guard. i was watching highlights on youtube and he put up a few 20 point games with the knicks considering he was still recovering and thats what the bulls need someone coming off the bench or start who can score from the 2 spot or 3 spot. if he is healthy rose will enjoy very much kicking it to mcgrady for open shots im just saying for a low risk there is a possible slight/to big reward
Low risk/high reward but still if, if, if, ................
I am not thrilled but the low risk/high reward dialogue above is correct. I watched McGrady closely when he was acquired by the Knicks. I thought the Knicks were testing him for a possible free agency candidate. The Knicks played him way too many minutes and he fell apart. However for a few minutes he didn’t look bad. He was going to the rim and had energy. He also was passing very well. However, he ran out of gas very quickly. If he can accept a backup role with limited minutes; if he doesn’t become a cancer in the locker room; if he doesn’t hog the ball and if he doesn’t play matador defense we may have gained something here.
Low risk/moderate reward
Not much upside to McGrady … but still worth the minimal risk.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jul 25, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all about the role you're bringing him in for
As a bench player, he actually could have some very good upside. Like Chgobr said, he didn’t handle all those minutes in New York very well. But he could thrive playing 15-20 minutes a game. Now, if we were bringing him in to be a starter, and hoping for the best, that would be an awful move.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think we agree
My “moderate upside” = your “very good upside” (as a bench player)
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jul 25, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I wasn’t a big fan of McGrady back when the Bulls still had an open SG spot. Now that he would clearly be a bench player and not get paid much, i’m much more willing to take a chance on him.
when the knicks tested him out he look pretty good initially, but got worse and worse until the end of
the season. so this workout, how is it going to test whether THAT is going to happen? how can it test more long term health/endurance? the same situation more or less happened with amare in 2006, and it turned out amare needed another year to recover. this would be amare stoudamire, that is, not a 31 year old.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
He won't get as many minutes
so there’s less chance of him fading out. If he does fade out, the Bulls will simply play him less and still be okay.
The extra 8 months of rest and going through an entire training camp should help his stamina, also.
and worse case scenario, if he's a disruptive presence
i would assume the FO would suck it up and send his ass home, like Hughes or Tim Thomas. while i don’t see a ton of upside, i don’t really see much downside either…that is, if it’s clear he’s only here as a bench player and not relied upon to play 25+ minutes a night.
since i cant post GIFs…
http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/tmacpissed.gif
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 25, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Heh
We can’t post gifs anymore?
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
I still post them
sometimes you need them, and they are funny. YFBB just needs something to do sometimes.
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
yeah true
tmac probably can’t handle starter minutes but he can be affective for 15 to 20 minutes and with our depth we can spell him alot better than the knicks were doing keep him fresh so he has less of a chance to get injured. but nonetheless like you said when he wore down he got worse so the fact is keep his minutes down and keep him fresh and he will deliver all you need out of tmac and brewer would be a combined 20 to 25 points from the 2 spot and thats plenty of scoring along with rose’s ’deng’s ’boozer’s and noah’s and include the bench scoring of korver,watson ,osik,thomas and gibson that could be 100 points or more a game and everyone will stay fresh throughout the year with good rotation and less likely of injury.
Rose may have been the catalyst for this move
I like that this appeared to be cleared by, or even initiated by Rose.
The real question here is this...
Do we think a 31 year old TMac is as good or better than JJ. If the answer is yes then you sign him. It’s worth a shot. At best maybe he’s as good as Scottie was in his last few years in Houston or a Robert Horry type of player. A player that handles the ball, can get out in transition, and can knock down a three in limited minutes. My God if we could find minutes for Pargo last year then there has to be some for TMac. Plus if Deng goes down again as usual, then he really can become an important piece.
I'd guess that a 50 year old McGrady is better than JJ
by Option27 on Jul 25, 2010 5:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
think about it?
if you factor it up tmac and brewer can easily get 15 to 25 points a game between them we got quality points out of the number 2 spot. if rose average 15 to 25 points and deng gets 15 to 25 along with boozer 15 to 25 points and noah at 10 to 15 . okay so that averages 65 to 80 points from our starters than factor in korver 5 to 15 points watson 5 to 15 points and gibson 5 to 15 points and osik and thomas adding 5 to 10 points . so another 20 points or so equals 100 perhaps and highest would be around 40 points from our bench 120 points with our defense thats a win most nights!
I want T-Mac for 2 reasons.
1) He will be Super-Pargo, doing all things Pargo (but better) in a taller and more well known frame.
2) He is a former star who hasn’t won anything who is old. People love it when old stars team up (just not young ones). So T-Mac coming helps to further cement the Bulls as the heroes of the Eastern Conference vs. the Miami villains.
by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Jul 25, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions
84% of Bulls Fan on Blogabull would want McGrady on the Bulls
Its a fact, its in our Fanposts. I am frustrated that people like Sam Smith or even the writers on Bulls confidential are so Down or “disappointed” with the signing of McGrady before even giving him a chance. Based on everything that he has said/done this summer it seems McGrady may be willing to take a bench role. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt!
by K_yle33 on Jul 25, 2010 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, I imagine that most of the 84% are more `sure, why not?` than `yes, let`s get him!`
Just based on most of the posts that I have read. :-P And I agree. If he won’t cost much I’m all for it.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 25, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree, I'm sure most who voted "yes" were not 100% on board
but still, if you read articles by sam smith or other journalists, they all use words such as “disappointed” and are very harsh on the topic. I just dont understand. I see questioning if he would fit with the team, but for the salary he will likely recieve, isn’t it worth a chance. Our team is already set without him, he would just be a bonus, if it works.
dont see what the problem would be with signing him
if he causes problems u buy him out, id rather take the chance on him then sign pargo
Where the hell is KC to crap all over this report?
Not so much as a Tweet out of him. He’s taking way too long to shoot down rumors lately
Superteams suck.
eh, Celts lost Tony Allen and 'sheed.
PG: both teams just as shallow (if Rondo goes down, Boston has no one to reeeeally fill those shoes. Nate Robinson is a shooting PG, not a passing PG, really.)
SG: mhm, I’d imagine we’re deeper since Tony Allen was a SG, and he’s not a Celtic yet. Think we got a better SG depth with Brewer / Tmac / possibly Korver depending on the matchups is a lot deeper than simply Ray Allen.
SF: we’re very deep here, with Deng → Korver with a side of Tmac and… er… JJ… being deeper than … Paul Pierce → Michael Finley & Marquis Daniels? haven’t been following Boston enough.
PF: They probably got us here. I’d give Kevin Garnett → Glen Davis → Shelden Williams (bye bye Brian Scalabrine!) more depth than a simple Boozer → Taj (…JJ…)
C: us. Noah + Asik + Thomas > Perkins + O’Neal.
I think they may have 2 better centers (O’Neal’s lost a step, but, I mean, he’s still a decent player, and Asik’s a ?.
But its not as clear cut as you make it with “forgot about the celtics.”
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
I would not concede PF to the Celtics
Not with Boozer in his prime and Taj in his 2nd season. KG is only going to keep getting worse with time.
I think Center is a little closer though. Jermaine O’Neal is a nice piece to get off the bench. And Asik is a question mark until we see him in action.
Still, I do think we are the deepest team in the east. The team`s championship aspirations (or lack thereof) really do depend on the grow of one Derrick Rose.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 25, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
RANDOM
But, I would say that we’re a deep team no matter what happens with T Mac. It’s kinda hard to say who the “deepest” team is. More than having the sheer number of good name players, you need the players to accept their role, and play well in that role. Orlando, Boston, those are two pretty deep teams
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ERROR. WILL BE SPECIFIC.
So if we don’t get TMAC would that make us one of the deepest teams in the east besides Orlando and Boston?
lol, I said "random" because you asked that question as a response to a comment about KC Johnson
Kinda outta left field there. :)
As far as depth goes, like I said, the Bulls will be one of the deepest teams for sure. When it comes to having good, known players with a track record, they’re right there. They still have to come in and play well in those roles for us before I’m wiling to say we have the the best (or one of the best) benches in the league
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
Sue me for being overly optimistic but my hope is that this team can have the kind of run similar to the 2004 pistions. If not that….I just hope they beat the Heat in the regular series.
I'm not being negative
I THINK we’ll be really good, but I’m not gonna say it’s a lock or that we’re the best or anything. The players have to show that they can do it on the court. I don’t think that’s pessimistic. You asked a question, and I gave my opinion
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
My fault. That 'Sue me' comment made me sound like a dick.
I agree with you. I’m ACTUALLY looking forward to this season. I think this team is gonna surprise a lot of people. If i’m wrong and the Bulls end up with another 41-41 record….I’m buying everyone on this blog a juicebox to drown our sorrows.
All good, I think they'll be really good too
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
What is the value of depth...
beyond a couple of extra regular season wins?
Championships are won by the top players in a rotation, which Mcgrady was at one point (10 years ago) and only the most optimistic of fans would believe that he has the opportunity to be a top five player on any this team…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 25, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right, it's mostly for the regular season
so that you can cope with injuries and guys having off-stretches. That is important, though. Like the Cavs, having a deep team can get you first place and excellent playoff seeding as well as home court advantage. I remember a few years ago when a single Bulls lose was the difference between a 2nd seed and a 4th seed. The Cavs took the 2nd seed and a favorable schedule all the way to the Finals that year (if my memory is right).
I do see McGrady being the difference in a series. He could easily have a couple of really good offensive performances or provide matchup problems for some team. Also, we can’t rule out that a wing player is injured come playoff time. It’s a really bad feeling when you know that you can’t win entering the playoffs, because an injury left you without viable options.
in fairness,
boston’s bench basically won them a game in the NBA Finals. I agree that a bench only really gives you health and maybe a few regular season wins… but it could also be the difference between losing in 6 and losing in 7…
…or losing in 7 and winning in 7.
A true friend stabs you in the front - Oscar Wilde
i also cant wait to see a broken, 31 year old tmac getting
more respect on boarderline calls than derrick.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
by TheMoon on Jul 25, 2010 6:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
At least someone on the Bulls will get them
That will almost balance the whistles when we play Miami… not really.
Well, it took a little while, but KC finaly shot it down (sort of):
The Bulls have made no definitive decisions on the future of Tracy McGrady, despite reports to the contrary.
One source said even if the Bulls decide to sign McGrady, a non-guaranteed deal might be proposed. If that occurs, it surely would test the sincerity of McGrady’s desire to play here.
Superteams suck.
And this Tweet:
KCJHoop
People can change. But he never has before. RT @camronsmith: @kcjhoop Do you believe TMac will accept a reserve role w/the Bulls?
I don’t get that. I’ve never viewed McGrady as a malcontent in the AI mold. Did I miss something with him? Some sort of incident?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
HAH
KCJHoop I haven’t seen Bulls fans polarized on something as strongly as TMac since Kirk Hinrich left town. Lot of love for him. Lot more against.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
That is a really long timeline KC...
Considering Kirk was traded roughly two weeks ago…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 25, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
dont tell the wizards that
they still havent introduced him yet
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Wasn't that what caused him to leave Houston?
He wanted playing time, didn’t get it, refused to play. Kinda malcontent-y.
BUT! And it is a larger but than the one I sit on.
I really wish his desire (and hopefully common sense as to his desirability around the league) to play here is real. That with the positive press from Derrick, and I hope TMac will be motivated to join as a reserve.
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
i thought they moved him because they didnt want to deal with his injury issues anymore
and they wanted to compete
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
It was playing time
Adelman didn’t want to give it to him
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4772672
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
oh thats right
but wasnt adelman playing it off as a concern for his body being able to handle it or not?
at least i remember thats how it seemed to be played off as until they finally decided to just have him leave the team
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Yea, I remember it being more of a mutual decision
They didn’t want to play him if they couldn’t give him more time
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
True
Which is what makes me wonder about how true his claims to accepting a limited role are. And if they are true now in July, will he feel the same in December?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
its still different Adelman and T-Mac were angry at each other like the history of failure accumulated. The real reason he refused to play him was because they had an influx of younger players now and he felt T-Mac quit on them at some point earlier like in 07-08 sometime.
It was pretty much consensus they wanted to trade T-Mac even before the season. He wasn’t worried about that but both of them kept butting heads. There was just tension between the two.
I still think when it comes to 3-5 months of saying he’ll be fine taking a role like this its different. Even with the Knicks he really wasn’t saying “look at meeee” and they gave him every chance to do so.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
The Rockets didn't want to play him at all
Adelman finally played him a few minutes, and then didn’t play him for a few games straight again. If the Bulls also give him 0 minutes, i’d expect there to be problems.
And yes, there was something personal between the team/coach and him. I think a lot of it had to do with McGrady not communicating with the team before he had microfracture surgery. I think they still wanted him to have more tests, and he just up and had the surgery that would make him useless for 1 to 2 years, right before a trade deadline where they were thinking of moving him.
I read this subject line as a reply to the comment about selling poisoned milk.
Disappointed it wasn’t.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm always perplexed at the Bulls desire to try and make players abase themselves to the organization
I mean, it’s not like I’m a big proponent of signing TMac, but why must the Bulls basically talk down a guy who they would want to be a part of their team.
It’s like, if you went out to hire someone, would you say say “Hey, I can tell you’re really eager to work here, so I want to be very clear up front that I’m going to take advantage of that fact. Truth is, I really don’t want to hire you in the first place, but I’m going to do you a favor and hire you. But just so we’re clear, I’m doing you a huge favor. I actually think you’re an asshole and you’re not very good. So I’m going to pay you the minimum, and you could be gone at any time. I don’t care if you’ve been great anywhere else. In fact, I hold it against you, and don’t try to act great. No matter how good you are, you’ll work behind this other guy, because we just like him better”.
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by Sports2 on Jul 26, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's more like we already signed guys who play the position TMac does
The truth is, they are doing him a favor. No one else is going out of their way to sign the guy. The Clippers chose to resign Rasual Butler over him, I think that says something. Not to mention TMac has toyed with this franchise before, it’s not like this is a one way street here.
They have no reason to sign him unless he understands the situation, and considering what happened previously, I think they’ll play as much hardball as they want.
It’s not like they gave this ultimatum to Boozer, Redick or Brewer. When you’re adding a guy to sit on the bench most of the time who asked to be traded because of playtime just last year, it’s probably good to make sure he knows he’s going to be sitting on the bench.
Honestly, if you are TMac or any other player, you should be happy for the honesty. If I was interviewing for a job, I’d want the employer to tell me upfront before I take the job, that there is no room for advancement, and that I will work on no major projects. It’s much better than showing up to work, expecting to do something and then sitting around for a year.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Honestly, if I am TMac or any other player, I'd think these guys are a bunch of fucking clowns
More than anything, I wouldn’t trust an employer who tells me that sort of thing up front, because that’s simply not what a good employer does. A good employer makes the best use of the talent he has available, period.
Why would an employer ever say something like what you suggest? The only sort of employee they’d attract if they said that is the type that would want to sit around and get paid to do nothing.
Like, I don’t have any problem with saying to a guy like TMac… hey, we think if you play too much, you’re going to fall apart, so we’re going to monitor your minutes very closely. So don’t bitch about it.
But a team that’s pre-determined itself against letting the best players play, and recognizing who the best players really are, is just as dangerous and stupid as a company that plays favorites with its employees in similar ways. Say, giving the owner’s pet employee the plum tasks, regardless of performance, while there are better workers who go unrecognized. Companies like that inevitably go out of business.Teams that do that don’t win.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Jul 26, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually...
Hey, I can tell you’re really eager to work here, so I want to be very clear up front that I’m going to take advantage of that fact. Truth is, I really don’t want to hire you in the first place, but I’m going to do you a favor and hire you. But just so we’re clear, I’m doing you a huge favor.
Before I got to that I’d offer him a nice whiskey on ice or something, just to be all hospitible and shit. But, really…it’s not a matter of putting a ceiling on the guy before he comes in. If the guy can play the guy will play and cause a lot of good problems for us. I’d tweak some of your verbage but I think the sentiment is fine in being pointed with a prospective employee, especially in this context. What we want to aviod is some dellusional Neverland/fountain of youth bullshit where Mcgrady thinks this is 2004, he’s alpha-man and entitled. But, to say, we shouldn’t set up parameters before we allow him a try-out is negligent at best. So what if McGrady thinks we’re fucking clows, we think he’s fucking old and coming off of microfracture surgery with a lot to prove. And in this case, that’s all the Bulls have to say to the guy: Prove it, man. Trust us, we’d love to see it but, know that, we don’t owe you anything.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 26, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree 100%. The Bulls should be saying "Prove it".
But that’s different than what I hear.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
They aren't pre-determined
If he proves without a doubt he’s the best player, he’s bound to get the minutes. He just has to know he has no guarantees, and that he has to be willing to accept it if the team doesn’t think he’s the best option.
I’d hope if you are ever in the position to hire someone, you would give your employees full disclosure. It’s unacceptable to hire someone under false pretenses. The employee should know going in what their situation is. Obviously the situation I described was exaggerated, but many people are hired to work in menial jobs all the time, people have to pay the bills. They know going in, that’s the job they are doing, and they are happy to have it.
If I hire a guy who expects to move up quickly in the company while working on major projects, and I know he’s going to be starting in the mailroom, with limited opportunities for career growth, that’s not going to work. Why would I lie to someone? It would be a disaster. Sure they might take my job offer, but it’s not like they are going to stick around. Not only is he going to be unhappy in his job, he probably won’t do it very well because he feels it’s beneath him, and he’ll create problems for everyone else working there with his bad attitude.
If I hire a guy with the understanding that he is starting in the mailroom, but if he shows he’s a good worker over time, and an opportunity opens up, I’ll give him a chance to make the best of it, that’s obviously going to work out a lot better for everyone involved.
I can’t imagine what kind of business experience you have, to think you wouldn’t give full disclosure on a job being offered to someone.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um... I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest I've got more business experience than you
If you really want to get in a pissing contest, I’m pretty sure you’ll lose that one.
But beyond that, you’re simply changing your tune from saying “no room for advancement” to saying “no guarantees” of advancement.
The former is stupid from an employer’s perspective. It’s an irrational bias. The latter is not. It’s a mark of thinking realistically.
Neither has anything to do with disclosure. Disclosure is good across the board. But in this case, if the employer is saying up front it’s not a level playing field, it’s also a disclosure of foolishness on the employer’s part.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
In your vast business experience
You must have had a lot of pissed off employees quit in record time when they found out the job they have isn’t the job they thought it was.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, generally I tried to avoid hiring folks like you who couldn't read
And that avoided a lot of trouble up front.
Anyway, I suppose I could simply restate what you didn’t read the first time. Or, you could just go up two posts and try again.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
You're operating under the assumption that the potential employee is someone with a Master's Degree
Or even a Bachelor’s when in fact we are dealing with a guy who has been in and out of jail for petty theft and assault and was just recently acquitted of charges for larceny.
You tell the accomplished college grad that this is an ample opportunity and you look forward to him joining the team. You tell the petty thief that he is hired under the condition that he is on probation and you’ll be watching his ass for screw ups.
Simply put, if TMac doesn’t like it, he can plead his case to Kahn in Minnesota and hope to battle for a starting spot with Michael Beasley.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 26, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is pretty far off the mark.
The guy in question is not just a habitual criminal. If he was, it’d be pretty damn foolish to be spending all this time on him when there are literally millions of unemployed folks out there who aren’t.
More realistically, TMac is both of those extremes. He’s got that master’s degree all right. 7 All star games and 7 All NBA teams. If he didn’t have that, we wouldn’t be talking about him. It’s just that he also just got out of rehab for a serious blow addiction.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
by Sports2 on Jul 26, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That last line is a winner :)
Can’t say much more than that.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 26, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i disagree. you pretty much dont deal in the business world with people with the same
kind of psychological makeup as a superstar athlete, or at least not to this degree. the difference is the almost delusional level of self-belief in a superstar athlete. did you see how poorly tmac played in houston? well tmac didnt think so. he thought he was fine and needed to play a lot more minutes. that was delusional. so this abasement as you call it, might that not be a decent test for the sincerity of a guy whose largest flaw currently is overestimating his own powers? because you cant tell that kind of guy, “Prove it” since he will almost always believe he has proved it well before you do. and that can cause a lot of problems, like what happened in houston.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
The business world is filled with people like that!
The flip side is that egomaniacs like that run on delusion. Another name for it is confidence. If you take it away from them, they suck.
I don’t at all disagree with the fact he’ll say he’s “proved it” no matter what. But forcing a guy like that to say he’ll accept having no chance to compete for a greater role is like destroying the village in order to save it. Even if he says he’d do it, I wouldn’t believe him. And if he were sincere, I’d doubt him as a player.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
i know the odds of it happening are slim to none
but this is the 12th spot on the roster. i see no risk in giving it to tmac
if he sucks. cut him. if he pans out. great.
but the dude is 31. had some major injuries that kept him back last few seasons. he’s 31 though. its not like its the end of the road already. kobe is 31 now.
i dont see why people are against giving the 12th roster spot to a guy who can possibly still put up 20+ every few games when we have some cold streaks/foul trouble/ injury etc
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Kobe works like an animal in the offseason
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jul 25, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
from all ive heard
tmacs been working hard the past few off seasons trying to recover from his injuries.
wasnt he working all summer with tim grover or whatever his name is all last year and this year?
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Yeah and here he could see Grover a lot more often. I still think he’ll be a bit better than last season…the injury he had he still needs time to recover from. Even Big Al is taking a bit to get to where he use to be after his surgery.
"Well you're giving me the opportunity to agree with Bill Plaschke and Marriotti, I'm gonna pass" - Tim Cowlishaw
McGrady's injuries < Kobe's Injuries
Kobe has had just about every injury McGrady has had except for the chronic back issues. Mcgrady’s knees have show to lack the durability that Kobe’s knees have endured.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 26, 2010 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
TMac's injuries > Kobe's injuries
While Kobe is from what I’ve seen, extremely tough, and has played through a lot of painful injuries, that I imagine would have most guys sitting out, TMac’s injury was much more serious.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I totally remember when Kobe got microfracture surgery.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 26, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If I remember correctly
the knock on McGrady was that he never did enough in the offseason to rehab, prevent injury, etc. And for all his supposed rehabbing and training over the last couple of years, T-Mac didn’t show much on the Knicks (and apparently even his conditioning was suspect).
It takes an extremely high level of sustained effort and training to play at a high level into your 30s. Until T-Mac proves otherwise on the court, any comparisons to Kobe are inapt.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jul 26, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
tmac always looks pretty fit, not like he has luol deng flabby arms
maybe he isnt a crazy workaholic but he obviously trains and works out and tries to get himself into shap. its not like hes eddy curry.
This is never, never, never happening again— but made me giggle watching it.
The look on Devin Brown’s face is priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceLlz7dOOvY
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
by DocPepper on Jul 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
it can happen again
we have rose with 3 point shot supposedly!
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
This is more like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz3wuw3oo_Y
Makes very smart decisions but looks extremely lethargic out there.
I don’t see any of his trademark athleticism but I’m hoping he was just still hurt.
The passing is what I’m looking forward to seeing if he does end up in Chicago.
Even a couple of nice defensive plays
if thibs can make ray allen useful on defense
im sure he can make tmac useful
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
those 2 fouls mcgrady drew in that video, rose never would have gotten those calls.
but seriously, if his body can hold up, mcgrady knows how to play basketball well.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Shows him playing D, passing the ball, and hustling.
Also on offense it shows that he can still create the space to get his shot off. After seeing this I hope he gets signed to the team. At the place he was playing in the video he would be nice coming off the bench. If he can improve on that I wouldn’t care if can be a starter because it would be a bonus.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Wow, don't show me that....
Now I’m really pumped, nice to see that much raw athleticism. I don’t expect him to reach that level again, but a PER of 15 or so is definitely realistic. That’s much better than Roger Mason or Eddie House can do. As someone on this site pointed out last week, his PER was higher than Hinrich’s last year, while coming back from surgery early.
The overall talent level of this team just increased noticeably with the addition of the 10th rotation player at a $3M a year max. That’s a good thing.
The Bulls just need to put him on “double secret probation” effective immediately, so the first time he shoots 2-12, and then complains about a lack of minutes the Bulls can tell him, “Thanks for playing! One of our Lov-a-Bulls will present you with your parting buy out check on your way out.”
Is Devin Brown the worst player on the Bulls from the last 5 years?
by Stay Chisel on Jul 25, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
PARGO???????
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never saw him do anything good.
Air balls, bad passes, lazy fouls. I was shocked when the announcer on the video said, “Brown with 17 now.” Hard to believe he ever had that much in a game.
The last five years...
Demetris Nichols, Cedric Simmons, Andre Barrett, Randy Holcomb, Stephen Graham and Big Marty could all be considered much worse…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 25, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously
can you believe that dude started 18 games for us a couple of seasons ago?
i'm hot for teacher
yeah i can
on the other hand. i cant believe who was coaching the past two seasons
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
That was a great clip
Games like that are why I’m a basketball fan.
How many extra minutes will the Bulls have?
Here’s a simple breakdown of players’ average minutes per game from last year….listed at each projected position:
C: Noah 30, Thomas 15 (-3, when compared to the 48 needed minutes at this position)
PF: Boozer 34, Taj 27 (13)
SF: Deng 38, Korver 18 (8)
SG: Brewer 30, McGrady 22 (4)
PG: Rose 37, Watson 27 (16)
Overall: 38 minutes over
However, here are the known games missed due to injury:
Noah 18
Boozer 4
Deng 12
Brewer 24
Rose 4
Total 60
I didn’t even count McGrady, because that would throw everything off. Also Korver missed 30, Watson 17, Thomas 12, but looks like a big chunk of those were DNP-coaches’ decision.
So, looks like the Bulls need another 38 minutes to go around, but if injuries are similar to last year, they will be missing a rotation player most games, which could help work it out. You can probably see a couple of easy minute cuts when looking at averages. Taking Deng down 6-8 minutes a game might help him play through an entire season, and Thomas could easily lose 5 minutes. They seemed so short on bodies last year, Taj played through injuries and appeared in all 82 games. This year, they could have the luxury of giving players days off to heal.
He didnt play last season in the NBA.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 25, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont get your question
min per game depends on their roles on their old teams and whatever the conditions were. obv their minutes are going to change coming to a new team and especially with the roster overhaul we’ve had.
minutes are going to change.
the total minutes you added up are over because obv you took players from all different teams.
tmac was a starter last year for the knicks. boozer/taj both were starters etc etc
minutes are not going to be a problem. its very simple
the good players play the most minutes. easy
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Thomas got a lot of his minutes due to injuries too.
What these guys played last year doesn’t matter for this year.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I agree.
I don’t think Thibs will play Deng for 38 minutes. That doesn’t seem smart for an injury prone lanky man.
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Something like the (City) Mummies – where Marbury, TMac, Shaq can be together
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