Closer Look at Tracy McGrady
As we all know, the Bulls will be working out Tracy McGrady on Monday and are looking for another wing player. There are arguments for and against signing TMac. I thought i'd take a closer look at his numbers from last season with the Knicks to get an idea of how he'd contribute with the Bulls, if signed.
Here are some numbers to begin with: He played 24 games, averaged 26 minutes a game which lead to 9 shot attempts a game with the Knicks in which he was basically the primary scorer/ball handler on that team.
Lets say that he only averages about 10 minutes a game with the Bulls. Given his minutes played vs shot attempts last year, this would only mean he'd take about 3.75 shots a game. Another thing is that he would not be the primary ball handler/scorer, so this number may be lower.
The only reason I point this out is that many believe he would corrupt or hog the ball; however, based on statistics this wouldn't be the case.
I may be one of the people out there that believe that given a strong belief that McGrady would be "ok" with being a bench player with limited minutes and a good teammate, that the bulls should take a chance on him. If he is getting no offers, maybe an unguarateed 1year contract for 2 million dollars would be appropriate. If he doens't work out, the bulls could just release him.
With the remaining 1 million, they could still sign a player like Eddie House or Roger Mason. They could put James Johnson on the injury list as he will likely not see minutes anyways.
This would form a roster of:
Rose, Watson
Brewer, McGrady, House/Mason
Deng, Korver
Boozer, Taj
Noah, Asik, Thomas
Again, I am not 100% a fan of McGrady or think he is all that great but if they would sign him to an unguaranteed contract in which they could also sign Mason or House I'd be interested.
Also, I attached a Poll to see everyone's opinion on McGrady as I am interested to see how many people are FOR him and how many are AGAINST him.
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TMac put up a career low 12.2 PER last year. Since 2002, his PERs have gone steadily downhill: 30.3, 25.3, 22.9, 21.9, 23.2, 18.4, 16.3, 12.2. To put that in context, Derrick Rose had 18.6 last year, so mostly what that’s saying is that TMac used to be really damn good. For further context, that career low 12.2 was better than Hinrich and Murray got with the Bulls last year, and not much below what Salmons got for Chicago. If you think that last year was rock bottom for McGrady, and he can bounce back to where he was the year before, then of course you go get him. That 16.3 is better than what Deng had last year or what Brewer had in 08/09. If you think his body is just going to continue to break down, then it depends on what the cost is. The good news is at this point, the Bulls don’t have enough space to offer an albatross contract, so I’d be happy with whatever they give him.
As for more detailed stats, TMac’s biggest strength is his ability to create, both for himself and for others. His Ast% last year was 22.6%, and his usage was 20.6, both significant drops from the previous year. So he passes like a point guard and takes roughly as many shots as Deng. His TS% of 46.6 last year would hurt, though. He rebounds well for a guard, and puts up reasonable steal/block numbers. So if you assume some bounce back from last year, he seems like he would be a valuable asset, especially if he was on the floor whenever Rose was on the bench. I think he could really flourish in the role of leading the second unit.
by ImLittleJon on Jul 23, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm convinced
I was dead set against this until the last couple of days. The stats cited by ImLittleJon impress me greatly, however. The injury history is very bad if you are looking for someone to play major minutes on a regular basis, but he is not actually that old (younger than Kobe, couple of years older than Joe Johnson) and you are not paying him much or making much in the way of a commitment. Is there any history of players at his age coming back to some extent from the sort of injuries that took him down? Plus it looks like he really wants to play here (a plus) and like he has been working very hard on his fitness.
We’re not that strong at SG and there is not a lot out there at this point. I think it’s worth a flier if it looks to the org like he is fit.
by thelivingant on Jul 24, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've done a lot of waffling on this, but I came down with 2 reasons why I think we should sign him
1) Let’s face it, we’re probably not gonna win a championship this year. We’re still not a very good shooting team, which you really need in today’s NBA, either that, or a ton of size like the Lakers. We don’t have those things. We’re probably also missing one more guy that can create his own shot. I don’t think T Mac is that guy, but he could definitely make things more interesting if he’s healthy.
2) Luol Deng gets hurt. A lot. He’ll probably get hurt again this year, and at that point we’ll all wish McGrady was on the team.
Also, what’s the worst case scenario? For all the crap people give T Mac, I’ve never viewed him as a guy that makes waves. He’s been considered lazy, or a guy that can’t get things done when it counts, but he’s not a disruptor like Artest or someone. In the end, why not give this a try?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
As long as he's willing to accept and deliver in whatever role Thibs deems he's needed for, bring him aboard
Oh, and it’d be nice if he’s physically capable of playing too
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Well, T-Mac made waves with the Rockets when he was injured
You see, T-Mac was all like “Man, I should totally be playing, because I’m awesome”, and the Rockets were all like “No, you’re injured,” and T-Mac was like “Psh! I’m totally NOT injured,” and the Rockets were like “Yes you are”, and he was like “NO YOU LIE,” and then they played him for like ten minutes a game for a week, and then he got injured/showed that he was injured, and the Rockets were all like “SEE NOW YOU GET NO MORE PLAYING TIME,” and then he was like “YOU’D BETTER TRADE ME BECAUSE I’M AWESOME AND TOTALLY NOT INJURED”, and then Morey traded him to New York for Jared Jeffries, a pick, the right to swap picks, and Jordan Hill. Worked out pretty great for the Rockets, that.
Then McGrady played for like 15 minutes a game for a little bit, but he was still pretty injured.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 24, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, judging by the poll, it looks like people want him here
Which means… he’s not coming.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Since "The Decision", it seems like the team has brought in everyone people here have been pining for
Or, in the case of Redick, signed to an offer sheet. Just wait until Kurt Thomas’s press conference and they’ll announce the McGrady signing that afternoon.
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
Not really
The only player that got a lot of mention around here prior to his signing was Ronnie Brewer, and even that came after they failed on Redick. I don’t think anyone was “pining” for Korver, or Watson, or even Boozer. People just talked themselves into it after the fact. Which isn’t to say they’re bad moves, just that they weren’t the ideal choices of most Bulls fans initially.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 24, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
? Plenty of people wanted Korver.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean, I don't know if I was pining for Korver
to the extent that I don’t know how excited you can get about Kyle Korver. But in this context, we needed a shooter, and I sure as hell was/am excited about him.
I wouldn't say "plenty of people"
There was too many different guys available for there to be any kind of consensus pick. He was definitely one of the guys that people wanted though. I remember hearing Anthony Morrow’s name a lot more.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 25, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
T-Mac should either be ring chasing or trying to find a team where he can showcase himself. I don’t see how signing with a deep rostered team that’s optimistically a few years away from contention fits his needs. I simply find it hard to believe he will truly emotionally accept the 10th, 11th spot here. He may say all the right things in interviews with our front office, but reality may be far different.
I don’t blame him for trying to get every last ounce out of his career. A vet minimum salary is more money than the average fan will earn in 20+ years, and he’s likely to command a little more. I just don’t see how he fits with the Bulls this year.
10th or 11th spot...
That is a pretty deep spot in the lineup. At first I didn’t think it was possible they would bury him that far, but I suppose it’s possible. And if it does happen… Discontent galore. Maybe he will get through November without any complaints, but December? Or if the team is struggling?
I think the best place to keep T-Mac happy would be a “developing role”. If you put him behind Korver and Watson at first, and then increase him minutes as he begins to gel with Rose (if that happens) gradually give him more minutes. Without injury, there’s approx 30 minutes behind Rose/Brewer combo and 15 minutes behind Lu. That’s 45 minutes for Korver, Watson, and T-Mac (no reason to worry about JJohnson’s mins quite yet, if ever). Korver and Watson probably get in the 18mpg range, leaving about 10 for McGrady. But, as the season wears on, I envision an injury to Lu or Rose, with the Bulls able to play the “patient game” waiting for their recoveries. Most of our backups can start, and Watson plays at a similar pace to Rose – though he will likely have problems in the halfcourt. That’s where T-Mac comes in… If Rose or Brewer go down, T-Mac is the only backup besides Watson that can facilitate the offense. He should eventually have a role in being a capable ballhandler bringing the ball down the court. In addition, with Rose, Brewer, McGrady on the court at the same time, the defense has to be weary of three players that are versatile with the ball in their hands.
Overall, I think invovling McGrady this way, rather than worrying too much about his minutes, is a good way to keep him content. I understand there are not many players on the Bulls that fellow bloggers think are worth the trouble, and I agree. I was once a lot more keen on McGrady – especially before we picked-up Watson. I envisioned a pass-first, not a shoot-first PG to backup Rose. Watson is good, but he is so offensive-minded that he is essentially taking the role I thought McGrady might fill. Now we have to fit both of them. In doing so, I think T-Mac is going to have to keep his shot count low and his passing skills sharp.
On the positive, T-Mac played with Thibs in Hou, didn’t he?
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Good post, w/nice assist from ImLittleJohn
3 things about McGrady:
1. He was only a problem in Houston when he felt like he wasn’t getting a chance to play. He’d been working his ass off with Tim Grover for months after microfracture surgery, so his intense desire to play is hardly a negative. And he’s continued to work out with Grover this summer.
2. Who knows what happened in NY last year. While D’Antoni has a great rep as a players’ coach, he sure has problems with his players. Not just McGrady, but Chris Duhon, Al Harrington, Nate Robinson, etc.
3. With that out of the way, look at what the guy has done. 7 all-star games, 8 yrs of scoting 20+ points. Even w/ the Knicks last year, he scored 20+ in 3 of his first 7 games. Drives, shoots the 3, gets to the line. Does Ronnie Brewer do any of that? In short, if McGrady’s anything more than he was last year, he’s exactly what the Bulls need.
So that’s the issue: can McGrady perform at a higher level than last year, closer to his career per minute averages? Tim Grover thinks so. At $3 million or less, the Bulls would be crazy not to take the chance.
by AudacityofHoops on Jul 24, 2010 8:37 AM CDT reply actions
it costs $150/hr to train with Tim Grover's staff
So of course he’d think so.
But I think we should get him, it beats having JJ on the floor when Deng goes down
I'm still a bit conflicted with this.
The current roster is already solid. They might as well take a risk and sign T-Mac. He can play SG/SF so he fulfills a back-up need. But is T-Mac really willing to play a back-up role? Also the injury question will always be up there.
He wouldn't come here if he wasn't willing to be a backup
I don’t see how that’s a problem, he knows the situation, he just wants to rebuild his reputation. Can find a starting job next year if he proves he’s healthy.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah. Hopefully it's like that.
But a lot of former elite players struggle to adjust to a role like that. But in T-Mac’s case it seems legit enough.
Sort of like last year in Houston?
When they had to send him home because he was crying about not getting enough minutes?
It seems like Derrick Rose would like him here
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5405427
i dare you to move.
Not much of a choice for Rose.
Saying `I think he can help` and such is not necessarily saying that he wants him here. He keeps getting posed with questions in which he has no choice but to take the judicious route. Like when asked his current thoughts about LeRod, of course he was going to say he is happy for him. Could anyone picture Rose saying, `I would never do what Lebron did. I’m only 21 and even I know that was a stupid move.` Or, `Why would I want the corpse of Tracy McGrady on MY team? Sure, he was a great player 100 years ago but he is garbage now. McGrady a Bull? That’s crazy, man.`
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 24, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Its not crazy because it could happen
Bulls interviewed him and had a workout with him.
i dare you to move.
The Workout is on Monday
And that has little to do with what I was saying.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 24, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
They should ask Noah
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
T-Mac haters
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
What’s wrong? He’s not signed yet, they’re just working him out! What you don’t want the best possible team they could put on the floor? Same thing go for the Kurt Thomas haters. If he out plays Askil I want him on the floor, and if T-Mac can out play Brewer I would want him to start. I don’t care what name start, I just want the best possible players.
So the Thomas signing – good
Working out T-Mac (not signing first) – Great
JR, Gar, and Pax trying to put assemble the best team possible – I like them now
Can't wait to read.... The Bulls take the Heat in 7!
Gar's "cap flexibility" plans for this summer were far and wide.
LeBron, Wade, Bosh were ideal signings, but Gar did his homework. That wasn’t the only way to be successful. He assembled a good/great team and in this late period of free agency T-Mac is the best possible FA addition. (Rudy would have been better).
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
another sign that Chicago is most likely location for TMAC:
Lisa Dillman: Clipper news: Drum roll please … Rasual Butler returning to Clippers next year, according to sources of reallisa Twitter
He clearly wants to land here
See latest postings on his twitter account, which are almost plaintive in tone. (After saying that C-H-C-A-G-O is Monday, he actually thanks people for their prayers.) The remaining question is merely whether the org is willing to take a chance on him at very low risk.
by thelivingant on Jul 25, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
If they can sign him to like a 2 year, 4 mil contract with 2nd year unguaranteed
then also sign eddie house or roger mason for 1 million, how does that hurt anything?? If anything, if it doesn’t work out, they send him home like tim thomas
No more veterans, please
backups right now are: Watson, Korver, Gibson, KThomas, Asik, & possibly McGrady.
The only 3pt shooters we can sign and would be happy with their mins and numbers are summer league-esque guys. Sign John Lucas for 3pt shooting or Bouldin for ball handling and we’re set.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 26, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Signing Lucas would be smart
Low risk with high reward for a 12th man, if that is even possible. He has played well enough to deserve serious consideration for the last spot at this point. Granted it is just summer league, but he put up some quality numbers.
I can almost see this playing out.
T-mac impresses enough to land a one year deal. Plays some reserve minutes, does one thing wrong: is out of position, late on a rotation, looks stiff on a blow-by, clanks a shot, and the haters will hate.
Sure his PER blew last year (right on par with Flip Murray), but this is akin to paying one dollar for a raffle ticket that could net you the possible leader of the second unit.
Who gives a fuck if he’s the corpse of Tracy Mcgrady. If he sucks, we won’t sign him. If we sign him and he sucks, well, we’re paying him like he’s the corpse of Tracy Mcgrady and we’ll sit him like he’s the corpse of Tracy Mcgrady.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 25, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, no downside at this point.
We have the cap space, might as well use it. If we don’t sign him we’re signing some other 10th man, they aren’t going to really change the outcome of the season, but TMac does have the potential to be do something. No risk whatsoever, but could work out pretty well.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 25, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Downside is he becomes a cancer
Complains about playing time, takes time away from young talent, and hurts the team on the court by his fascination with the 3-point shot.
You cut him if that happens.
So it’s not a downside, you can find a guy to be the 10th man with out much trouble mid-season if that is what it comes to.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Its still a downside
Have you been in groups or meeting where one guy is all sulky and whiny. Even if you ignore him and stick him in the corner, he can be a source of constant tension and distraction leading to poor performance from everyone else.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
he can't take time away by himself
if he sucks, thibs will kick his ass off the court, pax will challenge him to a fight, and he’ll be kept away for “conduct detrimental to the team”
Why I Hate This Signing
Couple reasons why I think this is a horrible signing.
1) T-Mac hasn’t always been a team first guy. He complained about playing time in Houston and I honestly don’t see a scenario where he’s going to get much more here. The Bulls have placed a lot of great role players around their core nucleus. It doesn’t make sense to add a guy who has never been a role player to act as one and potentially disrupt chemistry.
2) T-Mac never learned where his shot was. Even during his glory years, he was a guy who would force up 3-pointers. He’s a below average 3-point shooter yet is adamant about taking them.
3) For a team that is built around tough defense and has hired a coach with that mindset, T-Mac is the opposite. He doesn’t have the speed or quickness to run the court or hang with most 2’s and 3’s in the league. He’s also never been a good team defender that worked in a system (just ask Houston).
I just see the move as high risk, low reward. What is the upside here? He turns into a guy who can give you 15 minutes a night off the bench? Maybe hit a couple shots, make a few passes, yet still get abused on defense? He’s always been a good playmaker and his passing ability would be nice when Derrick is on the bench. If he’s willing to take that role, I guess I’m fine with it. But I just don’t see how a player who was as esteemed as he was will take that role without some complaining.
The risk of course is that he turns into a cancer on and off the court. A guy who has lost his shooting touch and ability to create open looks forcing up bad shots in an effort to “get his”. A guy who will complain when he’s not on the court as much as defensive minded players like Brewer. If guys like Korver and Watson excel off the bench, will he really take a backseat and become a garbage time player? I feel like Thibs will feel required to give T-Mac his minutes.
I felt we needed a sparkplug off the bench and thought we got it with CJ Watson. I guess I don’t see what the reward the Bulls see here in comparision to the potential risk.
by Niwrad on Jul 25, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't see the high risk
If he turns out not to fit the system, you get rid of him. There is not going to be that much money in play. As far as low reward, if he bounces back a bit (say to a PER of 16 or 17), that is an extremely high reward for what he is likely to be paid.
It may well not work. But what have we really missed out on if it doesn’t.
by thelivingant on Jul 25, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Get rid of him to who?
No one wants him now, why would they want him if he turns out to be a cancer?
To no one
You pay him his salary but tell him not to show up (like they did for quite a while with Tim Thomas). Or you buy him out (like they eventually did with Tim Thomas). They are not going to be giving him so much money that they could not write it off for the good of the team.
by thelivingant on Jul 25, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Sort of like what Houston did to him
I guess that’s fine, but why let him tarnish the team for a couple months before doing it.
It depends on what you think the odds are
If you (as Thibs and Gar Paxdorf) really think he’s almost bound to be a cancer, then you don’t sign him. If you think he’s fit and might bounce back to some extent and are convinced he understands the role you envisage for him and will strive to fit in, then you take the risk. (Perhaps a guaranteed contract at a number you could see simply eating if he turns out to be a disaster, perhaps a non-guaranteed contract if he is willing to take that.)
I think we’re agreement that they should not take a big risk here.
by thelivingant on Jul 26, 2010 3:16 AM CDT up reply actions
The idea of the guy being such a malignancy is almost ridiculous
Becuase in order to be a bonafide asshole you’ve got to have two things which Mcgrady doesn’t have right now. He’s got no power and he’s got no influence coming in on a non garaunteed or minimum deal.
At this point it’d be like Mike Sweetney making a comeback and saying, “First sign me, and then play me.” And the Bulls, simply going, “Mike, not only are you fucking fat, now you’re delusional to boot. If you shrank two more inches you’d be rounder than a circle. Get fucked.”
See, it’s that easy with Mcgrady. If he doesn’t want to accept this contract on our terms or if he doesn’t want to accept his role the way we see him having it, he’s got no leverage to negotiate.
Doubt they let it linger for more than a few weeks
If McGrady turns into a drama queen, they’ll pull the trigger quick.
by drew gooden's facial growth on Jul 26, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why let it happen for months?
You could cut him the first day he bitches if you want. He’s not making any money. It’s a non-issue.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Could you really?
When your star player has already spoken up for him?
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on Jul 26, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think T-Mac is beginning to realize that he should be a role player as the season starts and it ends and also as his career ends.I like that he is beginning to humble himself.I don’t know if Chi will take his salary though,but if he can have that pay cut half or more than half of his 23.6 million salary since being a bench player so as his state doesn’t mean or need a 23 million salary.I like the idea,but like RJ of San Antonio,T-Mac is due to make 4-8 mill with his state not 23.6 million.And I expect him to be the 6th or 7th man of the team.
Champion of Me. All about ‘Bron and all about nothing.
I'd think it's more likely he knows
That he can perform well in a limited role here because of the pieces already here. He’ll bide his time for a year, getting completely healthy and proving he can be a good teammate, and then next year go back on the open market, and get a better deal.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 26, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A simple stat on TMac
Total minutes played: 28135.
That’s a freaking lot. By comparison, Grant Hill is 37 and has only played 30552.
So yes, TMac is quite a bit younger, but he’s got a lot more wear on his tires.
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