Kurt Thomas signs with the Bulls
[From the FanShots. Sam is reporting it's a 1-year deal slightly above the minimum, I'm guessing reports of a 2nd year are unguaranteed or a team option -ed.]
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interesting
let the name vs potential debate begin….who gets more time, asik or thomas…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
asik
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
why?
Why would the bulls sign thomas? he is 37yrs old and barely played last year on a frontline in milwaukee which was less than stellar. He averaged 3pts and 4 rebs. last year. He is not going to get better or any younger. This is a stupid signing, unless the bulls plan on making him a bench coach much like Hunter of last year.
Let the coach and players decide that
I like the depth.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Not on the Omer bandwagon?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
whoever...
gives more production with that time. We aren’t rebuilding anymore, the big boys see the court.
Amen
and until Asik gets his FT% above 35% he’s not seeing the court in the 4th quarter anyways.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
I think the beginning of the 4th (and the 2nd) is the most effective time to play him. If they want to hack him then, that just puts us in the bonus faster.
heres one "positive' i can think of
We signed kurt thomas, before we met with mcgrady for his workout….which means we mustve signed kurt thomas for an ammount that also allows us to sign tmac? i mean why would tmac come workout for the bulls if after signing thomas we no longer have the money he is looking for? It would be a bad business move by the bulls….
On one hand i can see the bulls not wanting tmac at all, but then why not cancel the workout, or wait until after the workout to confirm..?
So what if….we get both thomas and tmac…
rose/watson
tmac/brewer/korver
deng/JJ/Korver
Boozer/Taj/thomas
Noah/Asik/Thomas
thats a great deep team
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
McGrady would not be coming to Chicago to start
No way he takes the starting spot from a young, healthy and athletic Brewer. McGrady would be a veteran presence off the bench who can shoot and handle the ball.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 23, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
honestly id start him
to start out with, hes gonna get injured at some point regardless but id start him to just see how he fairs as a starter, if hes hurting the team or were just not as good, then when he comes back from injury you feed him bs about it being for the sake of his health and he could lead the second unit…but id offer him the starting job to start things off with, to make sure he signs. Its even easier due to brewer, hes not a guy who will ever complain so we can afford to do the tmac starting experiment.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 23, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I would never do that experiment
Because what you want is a young nucleus in the starting lineup. And if this team wants to run on the break you cannot rely on McGrady to do it. Also, starting him over Brewer weakens the defensive backcourt.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 23, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
agree
You start the young core you wish to develop, not bench Brewer then when TMac falls appart tell him " well, uuhh, yeh, you can start now i guess"
i would mess with the good vibes and team chemistry they are trying to develop.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
I agree with Dr
I wouldnt take the risk and he may be a defensive liability. I mean isnt that one of Deng’s strengths? Im happy with Tmac getting a few minutes off the bench but no way as a starter …
At this stage of
McGrady’s career he needs to be a guy off the bench that plays 10-15mpg, that might be the best way to preserve him, he can still make an impact in those 10-15 minutes.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 23, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Not exactly
What you want is a the best team possible that allows you to win. McGrady if healthy (big if) gives the bulls the best chance to compete. Even though he is two yrs. removed from averaging 25, 5 and 5 he still is only 31yrs. old. McGrady is a decent defender is a large two, can handle/pass the ball, and is a much better shooter (especially 3pt shooter) than brewer. If Mcgrady is healthy and playing well, you sign him and you play him. If not he is at least a high risk/reward player off the bench that could win games in the final quarter on offense. Even so, signing Mcgrady is a good idea, if healthy he could be a very big component to the bulls team (more than a shannon brown would be) and if he is unhealthy or flat out stinks he will simply be the 12 man on the roster.
If you honestly think TMac should be the starting 2 on a playoff team
Then the rest of the league vehemently disagrees with you. Which is why he has yet to have been offered a contract by anyone.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 25, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If we got TMac, I'd bring him in off the bench
My reasoning is that TMac’s value comes as a scorer and a distributor. When he’s playing next to Rose and Boozer, they’re gonna be creating most of the offense, so TMac’s offensive impact is gonna be mitigated. Bringing him in with the 2nd team when Rose and/or Boozer are on the bench will get him more touches and make him more effective.
All of this assumes he doesn’t end up sucking like he did last year.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 23, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
And he did suck last year...
I just don’t like this idea…In 673 minutes last season he scored just over 9 pts on 39% shooting, 25% from 3…true shooting 44% with a PER of 12…ugly.
We all know what he used to be…scorer and distributor…no one knows what he has become since his injuries…can he become Grant Hill, the exception rather than the rule for former stars who return from injuries…not likely.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wouldn't mind getting TMac, if we can get him cheap
High risk, high reward. I would not start him, as we don’t really know yet what kind of player he is going to be. Plus, I would rather have Brewer guarding DWade & Kobe & Ray Allen, etc., instead of Mr. Matador Defense. TMac running with the 2nd group, can be more of a primary scorer with Taj, CJ & Korver. Drive & kick to Korver. Draw some fouls. And, with Asik blocking everything, that could be sweet-ass 2nd string group. If TMac stinks it up, then we haven’t lost much. If he doesn’t stink it up, then he’ll start commanding some double teams, and he’s a decent passer to the open 3 baller. Could go either way, but he did show some signs last year. If someone can just bust his ass & get him to work just a bit, then maybe he’d come back a little healthier & a little more serviceable.
that would be ideal, the problem is Tmac agreeing play that kind of roll
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 23, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd follow your assessment
Sure Brewer’s young, but TMAC’s only 31…..
I know he’s ben injured, but if he gets his mojo back the 2nd year, well, we’d be well off.
If he suffers as a starter, we can still use him as a 6th man, and tell him we gave him the old college try.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
TMac has had 13 years in the league
And was never committed to conditioning or hard work. His 31 is comparable to anyone else’s 34 or 35. Not to mention the injuries.
He has no mojo. If he can contribute off the bench that would be a positive, but it is unreasonable to expect anything even close to the old TMac. He is not even 6th man material.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 23, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
thats pretty lofty reasoning.
Dr. Handsome how can you reasonable compare mcgrady to a 34/35 yr. old. there is no justification to that claim. you could of made that same claim based on injuries to grant hill, who actually is 35 so that means he is 45. I agree that it is unreasonable to expect the old tmac, but no one is counting on tmac returning to his 25ppg level. All the bulls need is a guy that can give them a guy that can create his own shot and score at times. Mcgrady might be able to do this, if not he can simply be the 12th man on the roster, sitting on the bench. for a couple million salary it is worth the risk.
Read the very first sentence
Then you’ll see why it is unreasonable to mention TMac in the same sentence as Grant Hill.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 25, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would offer him the starting job to sign him....and I would be lying through my teeth.
I think if he is dumb enough to fall for that then he is really, really, ignorant. But I like the option of TMac…why not, he is the only player left in free agency with anything to add to our team….we have plenty of depth…lets add a guy who at the top of his game posted numbers in Jordans neighborhood…I project if he is healthy and can give us 12 minutes a game to begin the season, that he would be an asset to this young deep squad…on offense he can play 1 2 or 3… and he can defend sg or sf in most situations…If he can build up to 18 minutes a game come playoff time he is a wildcard for us…I think its worth giving a look at..as i think it is reported that he will be in chicago monday..
by Tyler Durden's House on Jul 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, lying through your teeth to free agents doesn't really help a team's chances in the future.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And as I recall from Brewer's presser...
He was brought here to be a starter.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
"Oppotunity to be a starter"
It’s such a vague word. Opportunity to compete, the opportunity as in that’s what he automatically will do… I dunno.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure that's the best course with T-Mac
considering how things ended with him in Houston. If we sign him, I hope we are very clear that he’s going to be coming off the bench and I hope we make sure that he’s cool with that. He could be a horrible, horrible locker room guy if he thinks he’s being mistreated.
I believe if we used up all of our cap we can still sign McGrady to a veteran minimum contract
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
How much money left...more than vet minimum I thought...maybe my numbers are off but
5 originals were under 22 million…
boozer under 15 mil
korver 5 mil or less
brewer 4 mil
watson 3.3 mil
asik 1.7
thomas a little over vets…
i think those numbers cover what we have done and we still should have 5 million…unless i under estimated any of the free agents 1st year…but i believe most of them make less the first year and it goes up from their….we could have 6 million or more left right?
by Tyler Durden's House on Jul 23, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The numbers are coming out and we might have 3 to 4 mil still left.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I'm sick of this math
we had 4.8, and Kurt took a lil more than the 1.4M vet’s min. I dunno, like 3.2 or some bullshit.
Who cares? If McGrady doesn’t want to play for 3.2M after being GROSSLY OVERPAID for several years, Fuck’em. If that ends up being the case, he obviously has no concept of the outside world.
Sign Eddie House to that money and we’re set.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Now its assumed Thomas
As his been a relatively solid back up for awile now….Asik still has no NBA experience
As much as I argued against it
There’s nothing I hate about this move. They can play a little offense/defense with him and Asik, depending on who is needed. There’s no way he got a big or long contract, and hopefully he won’t be needed as the season goes on. He won’t make waves on the bench, and I’m sure he’ll play better than the d-league type that was the alternative. I’ll be happy to never see Chris Richard on the floor again.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
amen to that
I’ll be happy to never see Chris Richard on the floor again.
Don't count on it...
The Bulls can fill out the training camp roster to 20 players…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
The defnition of "meh"
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 1:05 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
i would go worse than "meh". this is probably a waste.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
we have an uproven asik
needed someone
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
depends how much he gets. kurt is pretty pricey for what you get, and if hes around 3M
a year, id ask why the bulls didnt just keep brad.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Ever think maybe Brad didnt want to stay?
No that he was unhappy or anything, but he seemed pretty keen on the move to Texas.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
It was the money
if the money was equal, I think he would’ve stayed.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 23, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I hate it when people say "He/she wanted to move to Texas"
Not because I don’t like Texas, quite to the contrary. I lived in Austin for 10 years. The thing is, it really is its own country in a way. Saying you want to move to texas is like saying you simultaneously would like to move to Iowa (North Texas), Atlanta, GA (Austin), Ft Laudderdale (South Padre), San Diego (Corpus Christi), Phoenix (San Antonio), etc etc. etc. It is a great state, but hell if it is uniform. It’s the most diverse state in the nation, with Calif coming in at a close second.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
3M for a 38-year-old?
No, no, no. I think there is an important reason we do not have the specifics of this contract. It is a vet’s minimum deal but he won’t sign it until we get our backup SG. We likely have a SG in mind—if not McGrady someone else we have talked to—and Thomas will fall in line after that signing next week.
I think this is just Thomas agreeing to sign for the vet’s min with Chicago and no one else. His market value is definitely no higher than that. He is 38 with 3ppg and 4rpg last year.
I’m just glad we didn’t break the kwame bank on a backup, backup C. I bet, as it is alluded to, he will be a mentor for Joakim and Asik as BMiller was. However, Kurt can help both guys more with scoring than Miller did.
In other words, move over lindsey and Simpkins.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
This is a good signing for people that like Asik and think he can play. If Asik shows something, this move will be pretty ideal. If not, we could’ve done better.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
no, they really didn't
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Why didn't they?
Even if Asik is really good, it doesn’t hurt to have another backup. Unless you really like Chris Richard, I think getting another Center/PF was pretty important.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Because Asik is going to be great and we know this because we want to believe
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 23, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hope you're joking
If Asik is great, I don’t think Kurt Thomas will be a huge obstacle. In fact, this was a pro-Asik move by the Bulls. They could have went out and got someone better and younger, who would take even more minutes from him. Instead they got the good character guy that will gladly step aside if the young guy shows he can play. Not sure why Asik lovers are complaining about this
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
A) Who is better and younger?
B) You’re forgetting the Tyrus Thomas vs. Joe Smith debacle. Young players make mistakes. It’s inevitable. Old players tend not to, they’re just slower, can’t jump, etc. Rookie coaches who have high expectations are less likely to tolerate mistakes for the long-term greater good.
C) guys like Kurt Thomas are always available during the season. There’s no “need” here. A team doesn’t “need” a 12th player.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 23, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
A) Maybe “better and younger” was the wrong way to phrase it. They could have gotten someone that would expect more minutes and/or been a better player than Thomas. Like a Shaq for example.
B) The Tyrus situation was different. Tyrus was a better prospect than Asik, and was a lot younger too. He should have played more, but he didn’t. Can’t change that now. If Asik shows that he can play, and contribute to a winning team, he’ll be out there.
C) I said this already below here, but why wait? If they like him, and feel he fills that role, why give the job to a player they think is worse?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
because they could take a chance on a younger player, too.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Our coach was on a team that used it's young players very well...
Big baby played well in a back-up role over the established vets…obviously, Perkins and Rondo remained the starter even after vets came on board ring chasing…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can only hope.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yes, yes he did.
But they spoke fluent English.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes I'm joking. I agree with you below. If Asik is good enough he'll get his minutes
if he ain’t let him sit on the bench. Having vets like Thomas is always a good thing. When you have them practicing with you they teach you a lot about the NBA and help you become a better player.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Free Tyrus Thomas.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 23, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
your Tyrus obsession is almost borderline creepy
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 23, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like Richard. I hate him.
But if he came for $475,000, he’d be just fine. So what if Asik sucks? They lose one more game before the AllStar game? Big whoop. A small price to pay for future success. And then at the trade deadline, they could just go “buy” a veteran from another team with their available cap space.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Why even go through the trouble at the deadline?
Thomas is just cheap depth for a team that could use it. If they like him, why not just go get him now? This has basically no effect on Asik. This is just after effects from the Tyrus situation talking. They were gonna get another big, it was gonna happen. You wanted them to get someone worse just to ensure that Asik would play. I don’t follow your logic.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't make any sense
Because a previous coaching staff treated one player poorly (which was partly that players fault) we should make sure this new coaching staff doesn’t have any options so that it can’t treat a different young player poorly. Defies logic.
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 8:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
It really does
Sometimes I think Tyger says stuff just to be contrarian. There’s nothing wrong with this signing. It should have absolutely no effect on Asik.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
It's his job. He's on yfbb payroll so we can keep talking
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
God, I wish I was on the payroll.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I wish *I* was on the payroll
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
whaaa
whose cutting me all these checks?
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 23, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Reminder:
Sponsored by T-Mobile.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 23, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure it defies logic.
Not in the normal definition of logic, anyway.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I wanted them to get someone less "experienced" with more upside.
I don’t see how someone “worse” for 500 minutes in a season changes anything. And if that player turns out to have some serious skill, all the better.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Can you name that player?
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they've shown that they're trying to move away from young players
They want guys that they know can play. Can’t say I blame them. There’s been far too much building going on.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
But why sign a guy you know can't play?
He had a serious drop in production last year. And he’s 38 years old!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Then you shouldn't be worried about him taking Asik's minutes!
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't trust coaches.
Obviously, the Bulls don’t think he sucks as bad as I do. So… obviously, they think he’s better, sooo…. obviously there’s a chance he might play over Asik. ???
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
None of that is obvious, except for maybe the first part
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
theres also a chance Asik will pick up a thing or two from Thomas
Lets see:
MidRange Game
80% Free Throw Shooting
Hard Fouls
Hacking
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 23, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Good lord
I hope Kurt Thomas can teach Asik 80% FT shooting. If that happens, put Kurt on the All-Star roster, he’d deserver it. Or maybe put a kicker in Kurt’s contract based on Asik’s FT shooting. And make that kicker HUGE.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
YES!!!!!!!!! Goonsmanship,
thugg’n it up on the low block
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This isn't VDN
I’m pretty sure at least Thibs knows more than we do
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 23, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Your posts
are the starting point for all healthy discussions on here.
Where is this "serious drop in production" you're talking about?
He averaged almost 8 reb/game for MIL in the ATL series and helped them almost get out of the first round.
You’re making WAY too much of this signing. He’s a veteran presence, a leader, a great teammate who will bring toughness to a very young team. We needed a guy like this, for his off-the-court reputation as much as his on-the-court skills, which will probably be better than Asik’s at the start of the season. I think he’ll need half a season or more to adjust.
In fairness, I think the things you're listing as positives
are the very reasons Tyger doesn’t want him on the team
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
He is the
new age Charles Oakley w/ out the gambling problem and on court street tactics
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 23, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's just a matter of Asik being good or not
Let’s not forget that Noah lost a lot of games last season and Taj played hurt for 20 games or so. Plus Boozer record is also troubling
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 23, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Right
Like Juicebox Jerry said, it was inevitable. No reason to wait on a guy like Kurt, who is valuable for multiple reason. 1.cheap 2. championship exp 3. tough retaliation guy 4. will be a boon to the locker room 5. can “teach” younger players 6. still can produce a little on offense if absolutely required.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
If only Vinny was coaching
And Kirk and Kurt were on the team. Those press conferences would be hilarious
by USCChiFan on Jul 23, 2010 1:22 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
awesomeness
Boston’s Glen "Big Baby" Davis had committed a hard foul on Bucks rookie point guard Brandon Jennings. Thomas hadn’t been playing then, but he remembered. When the teams met a few weeks later, Thomas took down Davis with a hard shot that had Celtics announcer Tommy Heinsohn bellowing "thug" at Thomas.
Thomas is a player known to have the backs of his teammates.
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 23, 2010 1:53 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/07/bulls-add-big-man-enforcer-kurt-thomas/
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 23, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
oakley is to jordan
as thomas is to rose…i can dig it
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I sure hope not
Jordan didn’t win a title until after we dealt Oakley…..
I’d love for Rose to win his first in the next 2 years (and at least don’t want to put the hex on it)…..
I sure hope our guys can surprise. I do think on paper:
Great assistant coach workhorse, 20+ yrs of experience seems a good resume to start as a potentially very good coach.
Super athletic PG with a gym rat workhorse mindset and a will to win/get better
A nice mix of 2 by committee with Brewer/Watson/Korver and even perhaps some spells of Rose (with Watson as PG for certain change it up plays).
One of the better mid range jump shooters in the game (Deng) who’s a solid defender at the 3, backed with the guy who just broke the record for best 3pt% in a season (Korver).
A 20-10 guy in Boozer, those guys don’t grow on trees.
A leader C who also is a double double machine, good passer for his position, good ball handling for his position and an emerging defender.
And decent depth.
I know it’s early and right now I’d pick us for 51 wins in a much tougher East (more like 55 wins 2-3 years ago)…..but we could do much better than that….and I think if we did worse than that it’s either major injuries or Thibs not being solid (but I think Thibs wil be good).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
by majoyenrac on Jul 23, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I know you're not the first to put this to (digital) paper
But I like the analysis, even if it is way off-point to the post you are responding to.
Something to watch-out for.
Brewer, Deng, and Boozer all make their living inside the three point arc and around the basket. This wouldn’t be a bad thing, but so does our best player. These players are active and are often assisted on their shots and dunks, but it is going to take some major creativity to space the floor and keep the defense honest. Although Rose’s developing 3-pt shot is great, if he is the only one in the starting lineup shooting beyond 17 feet, the improvement will be marginalized. Defenders will be able to play up on him to take away the 3 while still allowing the defense stay close to the basket. It’s easier to close out 6 feet of space in either direction than it is to close 8-12.
It’s not a gigantic problem, but might result in some poor offensive games against teams with quick defenders such as Charlotte, Memphis, Atlanta, etc. Not to mention Orlando and L.A.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Dwight Howard better watch his back this year
Kurt will guarantee he gets only one chance to put Rose out of a game.
by runningman on Jul 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He really did give the Bucks
a good physical presence last year, besides decent offense and rebounding. He knows how to use space.
by KT on Jul 23, 2010 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Boozer and Thomas are going to put a hurtin' on you
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 23, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
guesses on the contract ammount?
Im hoping veterans min….1.1 million i believe it would be….
according to that the bulls had a lil more than 4.8 left, so that leaves them at 3.7?
so we could offer mcgrady a 3 year 10 million dollar contract?
I know im in the minority, i dont want him to start (but if he did for awhile i wouldnt be very upset so long as if it was hurting the team they were willing to make adjustments) but as part of this team, man we would be deep and amply talented. With thibs defense we could wear out teams like Miami that had 3 stars and crap, while we could continue to rest up our players
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
sam says its less than the vets min so im guessing we have about 4 m left
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Sam said it's a little more than the vet min:
Thomas agreed to a deal for slightly more than the veterans’ minimum, which means the Bulls have about $3 million remaining to fill out the roster, which now has 11 players.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions
unbelievable
i thought he’d get much more than that.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Bulls are stoooopid
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Don't sweat it
there’s still enough money left under the cap to sign Xavier Henry to his 120% contract
by torch on Jul 23, 2010 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 14 recs
awesome :D
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
Isn't that about the same amount Barnes signed for?
At least, the yearly average of Barnes deal? 1.7-1.8? I know Barnes is not a natural PF, but I’d rather he bring his bruising game to Chi-town than Kurt.
The counter argument to this is impossible to ignore—Barnes might play a little PF, but he absolutely cannot play C.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow im an idiot
it was late. i read it wrong oh well
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Why would we, or anyone give McGrady a three year deal?
And why would he want that, especially at that number? Any McGrady deal will probably be for one year. Max two. If he still fancies himself a good player, he probably would like to prove himself and try again next year
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Give him a 3-year deal but make the 3rd year non-guaranteed IMO
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 23, 2010 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Would he want that though?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
That’s the best offer he’s going to get.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 23, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, in terms of years
but if he thinks he can still play, maybe he just wants a one year deal to prove himself. You see it all the time
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions
i think its a great risk for him
with a new cba on its way and a lockout seemingly imminent….if he doesnt play well, or goes down with injury he is screwed, and his legacy tarnished. I think at this point an time, tmac wants to have job security. Not only that, but i think he would love to play for a big market as some kind of celebrity player, cuz it would open up connections for other job ops, if you look at the teams he wants to meet with, its not so much contenders as much as it is big markets. I think tmac is thinking more about his future, he doesnt want one big payday and then be screwed for the next couple years, he wants to play until he really cant play anymore, make a few million in royalties in a big market, and then spend the next 10 years working for some organization..
basically in a one year deal, he runs the risk of having a crap season, and then living off the millions he made until someone gives him another job. Or he can have a nice 3 year deal, get three chances to be relevent, make money off of endorcements and royalties for 3 years, and then see if someone gives him a chance at another job
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
3 years ALL non-guaranteed ...maybe
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
but its not possible....
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
incentive based as well
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
unless they're really convinced tmac is a picture of health
i don’t like the idea of 3 years for him
Asik is going to have growing pains.
Just like any young, rookie center. Thibs will be expected to win right away. He will put in the “steady hand” of Thomas, even if it’s steadily “meh”. As if the Bulls were going for a championship this season anyway. This deal blows.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I agree
But you still can’t know this right off the bat. It is possible (albeit, unlikely) that Thomas plays solid minutes to start the year while Asik slowly acclimates to the NBA game and by the end of the year is fazed out in favor of Asik.
Again, it’s not likely, but it is certainly possible.
How is that not likely that a 24-year-old rookie would faze-out a 38-year-old
declining vet. If there were odds on it in Vegas, I’d put a bill on it.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
He will eventually
The issue is when…will it be before the all star break or next season? Tyger’s point is valid on this one. Look at what happened to Tyrus. When the pressure is on to win and you have a choice between a guy that is still learning the NBA game versus a vet where you know what you are getting, most coaches are going to choose the veteran. The problem is that Asik needs NBA minutes. He needs to be able to fight through his growing pains to become better. Will Thibs allow him to make mistakes when he has a veteran player on the bench to fill the spot? I hope so.
He doesn't need shit
This team shouldn’t be worried about getting young guy’s minutes. If he’s as good as Tyger thinks he’ll be, he’ll eventually find his way on the floor.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
You said it clearer than me.
Agreed.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't agree.
Young players make mistakes and look stupid. It’s inevitable.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
he's been playing professionally overseas for years
I don’t think it’s fair to assume he’ll make as many mistakes as the usual rookie who’s 1 and done or so.
"Mistakes" is one thing
I’m sure Thibs will let him play through a few mistakes. If he’s God Awful, that might be a problem. But if he’s that bad, do you even want him getting minutes on this team? What purpose does that serve?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
right, there's varying degrees of 'mistakes'
not just Asik blowing but considering Noah and Taj’s feet, and Boozers sometimes mysterious calf, and they need depth that can play…but also be happy sitting on the bench and being old.
If Thomas has descended to Lindsey Hunter territory, that’s a problem
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The only thing I don't understand is signing Kurt Thomas to a two year deal. He's really old
and a pretty good bet to fall off quickly.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a one-year deal
That’s what Sam’s reporting, and it’s likely any mention of a 2nd year is a team option, or unguaranteed or something.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you really think making mistakes is why coaches sit a player?
It’s what you do after the mistake that gets you benched.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I'v never asked a coach why they sit players.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Did you watch a Bulls game during the TT era at all?
He got benched for blinking wrong. TT was not terrible by any stretch. Defensively he was amazing and he still got benched. Tyrus didn’t get over 20 mpg until his third season and he was the number 4 pick and not a bad player.
Some coaches let them play through the mistakes unless they are just plain terrible, but TT rarely got that opportunity in Chicago. I understand tyger’s concern, but I agree, a guy like KT is low risk to take Asik’s time in that regard.
Thomas was running the plays right, out of position
You run those things in practice. Game time is not when your supposed to be practicing.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
huh
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
But you just said
It’s not mistakes that get you benched, now you are saying it is mistakes that get you benched.
Also, there is a big difference between running plays in practice and in the game. When the defense blows up a play or you have to make a read on the way a defender is playing, how will you react? These are things that are taught in game.
I am a coach. My players know their plays backwards, forwards, and upside down. However, when a real defense is out there and reacting, things change and players have to make adjustments to the play on the fly. Perhaps they need to curl off of a screen instead of pop to the corner. Perhaps they need to go backdoor instead of popping to the wing. Plays are not always (and rarely should be) a series of player movements that are completed the exact same way every time. There is some read and react action going on at all times, that can only be learned from being in the game and being coached.
No I didn't even mention mistakes in my last comment.
So you are a coach. If you teach your players their plays and you teach them what you just wrote and they don’t get it or react to it the wrong (reading and reacting wrong to what’s going on in the game) then you are going to sit your player down and get someone in there who can. Your trying to win a game. Now you go back to practice to work on those things. If the player keeps making the same mistakes what are going to do?
It’s not only on defense if you tell your player to play the wing and he starts playing point you are just going to let him play because he’s talented?
What I’m trying to say that sometimes it’s more than what we see happening in the game. These teams practice almost everday.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
No, I won't sit that player immediately
I will allow that player to play through their mistakes. Or I will call a timeout and instruct the player how they should have reacted. If they react incorrectly many times in succession (while being coached and given an opportunity to learn from mistakes) then by all means I will sit them and work with them harder in practice.
Maybe I missed something in the skiles era, but it seemed as if TT was benched immediately after he did one thing wrong. I was not drilling the plays into those players, so I don’t truly know how many mistakes he made. Perhaps he made 5 mistakes in a row and had to be taken out. If that was the case, then Skiles should’t have played him. And obviously if a player is making huge errors (not listening when being coached) they will come out of the game.
NBA minutes are what help players develop. TT got less than 20 his first two seasons despite being a talented #4 pick, because a veteran Joe Smith was on the team. If he truly was incompetent, he should not have played. But learning in game situations is crucial to development.
TT= Turd wrapped in Christmas Present
The antiicpation of Tyrus’ potential was enough to keep people wanting more, but it plainly obvious that he wore out his welcome early and often with the Bulls coaching staff. I hope he does well with the Bobcats, but as for his time here in Chicago, those placing all of the blame on the organization are wrong. TT had many chances here, and he couldn’t produce what was expected of him in the minutes given to him. Entitlement is reserved for the pricks like LeBron.
LeBron is an Asshole
by leeac on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
OK, I read tyger incorrectly
I didn’t understand the anxiety part—the worry that Asik might not get his shot.
Immaturely put—My thought is that Thomas is old balls. I mean REALLY old balls. He is like a fierce Mascot out there that may get you 2ppg in 12mpg to start the season. All Asik needs to do is show some affinity for defense (which seems the opposite of a stretch considering his scouting report) and Thibs will take his production.
I see it as a struggle to an extent, but remember that we only have Kurt on a one-year contract. We obviously are not really committing to him being an important part of the team this even this year. No othere FA we signed to a one-year deal. Asik got 3. That, in itself, is telling. Asik is the priority because the duration of his contract, Kurt is a filler. Now, will Thibs see it that way? Yeah, I think he will. Maybe he will opt for Kurt in the playoffs, but isn’t that a wonderful problem to talk about? THe first, Second, THIRD round of the playoffs?
In other words, I don’t think we should sweat this one. If they had grabbed Kwame, I would worry.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
This is a harmless move. Anybody that thinks this is gonna have a huge impact on Asik needs to have their head examined. They were gonna get another center no matter what. They needed one. The same concern would exist no matter who they brought in. Kurt Thomas was the best possible choice, as far as a guy who won’t impede on Asik’s playing time if he shows something.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Because rookie coaches need to prove they can win?
I don’t have THAT much faith in Thibadeau.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I hope you're right
that he slowly phases Thomas out in favor of Asik. I’d say that is the plan… but what if Asik never adjusts? That is why I always favored more useful backups like Boone or Brown. IMO, they must be fairly sold that Asik can outplay Thomas or they wouldn’t have signed Thomas.
I’d love to see them go out and get Parker from Cleavland now. That would keep Korver where he belongs, playing mostly backup 3, and Watson where he belongs, playing mostly backup 1. and when Deng goes down we could start him and play Brewer at the 3 so we could keep Korver on the bench.
Who did you want?
Seriously. Are you really pissed because we signed someone too experienced?
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 7:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You didn't answer the question
Who did you want? Chris Richard?
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 8:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You asked two questions. I answered the last one. I apologize for not responding fully...
…to what I thought was just a rhetorical argument. Oops.
Chris Richard has proven he sucked and has no upside.
Just about anyone who would make the rookie minimum and is under 27 would probably work for me. I’d probably start with Josh Boone, Earl Barron or Rod Benson. You can go from there with this list.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
OK, so I'll use one of those guys as an example
Do you really think that Josh Boone is any less of a threat to steal Asik’s minutes? Boone would do basically the same things as Kurt Thomas, only he;s younger, and might expect to play more
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
But at least he has some potential to the future of the team.
And I still don’t get your rationale for assuming Thomas doesn’t care about playing time. He played 1000 minutes for a 6th seed and a lot more in the playoffs. I would assume (which is all either of us are doing) that he’ll be wanting to play… a lot. I’ve seen no reason, no justification, no logical explanation, of why Kurt Thomas would think that his career at this point is just as a mentor.
I guess we’ll just have to wait for the press conference.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Exactly, this is a wait and see type of thing
If Thomas comes in expecting to play, and taking minutes away from an obviously more talented rookie. I’ll gladly eat my words. I just don’t think that will be the case.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
And I the other way.
This is a veteran’s league. It’s why the league pays the majority of a vet-minimum’s salary in the first place. To the Bulls, this deal likely costs them no more than signing a D-Leaguer, so who cares? It’s why the draft age was raised a year. The league is an institution of playing “proven” guys over younger guys.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Is it possible that they don't share the same optimism regarding Asik's future that you do?
I haven’t seen anyone whose opinion I respect say that Asik is a sure fire player in this league. Maybe the Bulls feel it’s necessary
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you respect Hollinger? He called him a lottery talent.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, what exactly does "lottery talent" mean?
It definitely doesn’t mean he’s a can’t miss prospect. James Johnson was a “lottery talent”. Does that mean Kyle Korver shouldn’t be on this team because he’s taking away minutes from JJ?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
yeah, given the Jimmy Johns thing so far, we’re going to turn on Asik quick if he’s no good.
I don’t know if you respect this, but The Painted Area had a nice writeup of Asik a couple weeks ago.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Missed that post, thanks
The stuff about his defense is very encouraging. This has me a little worried though:
Biedrins is the better passer and a better FT shooter (relative to Asik).
Ouch. Biedrins is probably the worst free throw shooter I’ve ever seen. I guess that won’t matter too much though.
I’m excited about Asik too, and I hope he plays. My argument is that I never saw Kurt Thomas as a roadblock for him. Maybe I’m naive, and based on certain past situations I very well could be, but I don’t think this signing will effect Asik at all.
He’s 24, he should be able to play 15-20 minutes a game backing up Noah. I think the Thomas signing was more of a “Just in case he sucks…” thing. Which is understandable, we shouldn’t be in the youth development business right now. It’s the reason JJ won’t shouldn’t get much burn this season, and he’s just as talented as Omer.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
if you look at their stats, though,
I believe Asik is technically the better shooter by about 10%, but the person commentating overlooked it because in order to get that %, Asik had to hit his last 6 free throws in a row.
Either way, they’re both pretty shitty FT shooters. But, I mean… we’ll see. I don’t imagine teams see Asik get the ball and go, “FOUL HIM!” without him proving he can make a regular basket in the NBA first. I’m worried about his offense than his 20-30% FT shooting.
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That link is informative.
Less so the Painted Area part as the other link to the random dude on the random site. I never knew that Asik had his ACL surgery done in Chicago, that he rehabbed with the Bulls, and that the Bulls have basically been training him for the past couple of years. It’s also good to hear, however much hearsay it is, that Boozer is a “man on a mission” and is serious about his training. Hopefully they’re doing some Duncan-esque shiz to keep him flexible and healthy.
Why would they care about potential from their 4th or 5th big man when they supposedly have a guy with so much potential in Asik?
Bringing a Josh Boone in would still cut into his minutes, and it’s not like we’re going to give a guy a 4 year deal to be the future of the backup center position on this team. Any guy we sign would likely be a 1-year type. Why not bring in an older, tougher guy who can mentor a players like Noah, Gibson, Asik and play 10 mistake-free minutes?
Agreeance.
If we really want to let Asik develop, bringing in another young guy with developable upside doesn’t really make sense. (Plus, I doubt Boone has much “upside” anymore. He’s basically Taj Gibson, and we already have one of those.)
I don't think Boone has any upside either.
I just think his chance of falling off a cliff in production is significantly lower than Kurt Thomas.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'm confused...
Do you WANT production from Thomas, diminishing Asik’s role? Or do you want Thomas to be an afterthought on the bench, increasing Asik’s minutes?
You’ve kind of been going both ways with it…
I think Kurt Thomas will not be good and thus be negative in production to the team.*
But I fear that he and the coaches will think he’s still good, deserving of minutes. I understand it’s a nuanced point, but I think it’s cohesive.
*I have no idea about intangibles.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
And it took you about 30 posts to make it
That is a far different argument than: I don’t want Kurt Thomas because he is experienced and might take minutes from Asik.
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 2:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Chill for a moment....
“But at least he has some potential to the future of the team.”
What future would a Josh Boone have on this team? Seriously?
We’ve got five big men that seem to be part of the future for the next five years, who are all relatively young (Besides Boozer)
Noah (25), Asik (24), Taj (25), Boozer (28)
Where is there room for another youngster to develop? Absolutely no where.
Kurt Thomas is a good locker room guy, provides veteran experience. This team has no one over the age of thirty. Noah and Miller hit it off last year. Hopefully Kurt can come in and teach some of his experience to Taj and Asik. There is no point in adding another young big.
by LoveForTheGame on Jul 23, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I see
I totally disagree with that line of thinking. The Bulls are expected to win right away, because they should win right away. They doled out a lot of money this off season for that very reason. If Asik can’t outplay Kurt Thomas, he doesn’t need to be out there. He’s not some elite prospect, that would warrant us sacrificing depth in order to nurture him along and ensure he gets playing time. This team is done with projects, and they should be. If/when he can play, I’m sure Thibs will put him out there. If he can’t, oh well.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
My thing is, the 11/12th guy shouldn't be getting any regular minutes.
Noah should get 33-35, Asik should get 13-15. What’s Thomas going to get? You think he signed just to sit on the bench? They had Brad MIller when Noah went down last year, and how many games did that save them? None? If Asik stinks, having Kurt Thomas makes little to no difference.
Think about the arguments for:
A) Asik stinks – well, they aren’t going to completely give up on him this year, so he might play 5 mpg instead of 15. Does having Kurt Thomas make that big of a difference?
B) Noah gets hurt; Asik isn’t ready to start – well, neither is Kurt Thomas. The Bulls had vet back up Brad Miller last year, and that didn’t keep them from 10 straight losses.
C) He brings a locker room presence. I guess there’s that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yes, he's 38 and is going to retire after this contract, he'll play when needed
re: think he signed just to sit on the bench?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Noah should get 33-35, Asik should get 13-15. What’s Thomas going to get? You think he signed just to sit on the bench?
Yes, I do. At least I don’t think he’ll have any problem with it. You’re over thinking this. The guy is almost 40. He’s a glorified Lindsey Hunter (albeit with a little more value). He’ll sit if needed, just like he sat the first half last year with the Bucks
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
He played 1000 minutes last year for a number 6 seed.
I wouldn’t consider myself done. I’d consider myself a backup center, definitely ahead of some foreign rookie.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If my memory is correct
He got a majority of those minutes after Bogut went down. In fact, I think he barely played the first half of the year
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Regardless, we're talking about a Skiles rotation
He would play the towel boy if he (or she) listened well.
Remember that day the team ran because Eddy came to practice a couple minutes late with his shoes untied? Classic!
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Your memory is, of course, incorrect.
He did play more, but it wasn’t a vast difference. He played 544 minutes pre All Star, 506 post-All Star. Bogut didn’t get hurt until April. Thomas played 202 minutes in March, 219 in April.
I don’t mean to be a dick, but I looked up the facts before I made that statement. Why wouldn’t you?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Uhh, because I'm lazy, and obviously don't care about this as much you do
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Then don't say anything.
Why argue something as if it’s true, when you have no idea if it’s correct?
I suppose I could just as easily say, “Kurt Thomas expects to play 1500 minutes this year and be the back-up ahead of Asik.”
And yes, that’s extremely lazy; it took me about 20 seconds to look it up.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, I prefaced it by saying "If my memory is correct".
And you couldn’t say "Kurt Thomas expects to play 1500 minutes this year and be the back-up ahead of Asik.", because nobody knows that information, at least nobody on this board.
I thought he played less in the first half of the season, I was wrong. You win the argument over semantics. It doesn’t change any of the main points I’ve tried to make throughout this thread though, which is why I never felt it was that it was necessary to look up in the first place.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Let's up the granularity here.
First of all, there are 51 games before the ASB and 31 after. Using the numbers you cite above, that means he was averaging about 10 minutes a game before the ASB and about 16 after.
I thought I’d take it a step further, though, and look at Kurt’s game logs to see how he was getting his minutes in the pre-ASB part of the season. It was pretty up and down. Some games, he’d be in the 4-6 range, some in the 15-25 range. So let’s look deeper.
Bogut didn’t play for games 6 through 11. In those games, Gadzuric started but only played in the teens, Kurt taking most of the minutes. In those six games, Kurt amassed around 163 minutes (average of 27 per). So let’s remove those from his pre-ASB total: (544 – 163) / (51 – 6) = about 8.5 minutes per game for pre-All Star games in which Bogut wasn’t injured.
Let’s look even further. I clicked through the games where Kurt played around 20 minutes a game to see if there were more random Bogut injuries in there. In only one of those games did Bogut play fewer than 20 minutes (he had five fouls in that game, so I’m guessing it was foul trouble; Kurt played 25 minutes in that game). The rest of the time, it seemed that Kurt was playing in place of Mbah a Moute or Ilyasova at PF because, for whatever game Kurt posted around 20 minutes, that other player would be in the teens. Both Mbah a Moute and Ilyasova are undersized for the PF position, and they’re both young and still-developing players. I’m guessing in some situations there was foul trouble, or maybe Skiles was just playing the matchups. But the overriding point is that Kurt was not exclusively a back-up center; he seemed to be the first big man off the bench in general.
What does this mean for the Bulls? Well, we have an All-Star caliber PF whose going to be playing in the 30s in terms of minutes, unlike the Bucks. We also have a young back-up PF who played serviceable starter minutes last year. I doubt Kurt will be picking up many, if any, minutes at the PF this year.
Without going through each and every game and doing the arduous arithmetic, I’m going to ballpark (conservatively) and say Kurt played 10% of his pre-ASB minutes as a PF. If you diminish his 8.5/g average by 10%, we’re left with 7.65 min/g as a back-up center in games where Bogut wasn’t injured. (Which means that, on average, the Bucks were running about 8 minutes a game with neither Kurt nor Bogut as their center. Gadzuric’s average for last year was 9.8 min/g, so that fits.)
So, the question is: are you OK with Noah getting 33 min/g, Asik getting 10, and Thomas getting 5?
by arjoseph on Jul 23, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Way too long/intricate of a post for Kurt Thomas.
As for the last part (the minutes split), ues, I’m ok with that.
by pooriejay on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you're joking right?
who would you have preferred, some d-league body with no experience and upside?
yep
at a minimum. It’s not like there won’t be a thousand big men available to a team with $3 million in cap space during the season.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If that happened, Chris Richard and Omer Asik would be the only insurance we'd have for 3 bigs that have dealt with injuries recently.
Noah, Taj or Boozer could all miss some time at any point in the season. If that happens I’d rather have Kurt Thomas than a D-leaguer.
Asik is 24
he might have growing pains, but remember the last 24 yr old rookie we brought in captured the starting job relatively quickly.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
WTF do you know about Thibs' coaching? Why are you speaking like you know the future?
Are you the new version of NBA Observer around here?
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 23, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd for NBAO dig
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Tyger just likes to complain sometimes.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 24, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait... what would VDN call him?
Kurt? Kirk?
by 72-10 on Jul 23, 2010 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
oops. Eh-em... Scallywag!!!
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Scallywa!!!
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions
Associated Press saying one year
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/23/thomas.bulls.sign.ap/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt2
Maybe there is a non-guaranteed 2nd?
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 23, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably an option year in there
Bulls have done that will almost all of their contracts this year.
The Bulls needed a 5th big and they got a good one. I'll save my ranting about him stealing Asik's minutes for when that actually happens.
Plus, given Taj and Noah’s plantar issues, it’s good to have another interior defender to toss out in case one of them goes down and Asik is asked to move up in the rotation, then Kurt would be filling in for the 10-12 minutes a night that would normally have been Omer’s had he not moved up into Taj or Joakim’s minutes.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Yep, something like this was necessary and inevitable
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
On top of that, i'm pretty sure Kurt will help the development like BMiller did
but in a different way. Miller had a kind-of punky toughness to him, Thomas is physical and relentless. Thomas’ traits benefit any big man, especially an undersized (235-strong, but grow-ing) center.
We seem to pick up smart, level-headed aging vets like Hunter and Thomas and pay them well because not all, or even most, of their value is what they do in the game, but on the practice floor.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Right, if Thibodeau decides to play Thomas over Asik, that's on Thibodeau, but it's a separate issue
The decision to sign Thomas is a good one because he’s the best player out there that we could’ve signed as our 5th big and we’re not overpaying him to do so.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
And we can't forget than Boozer could have some problems
I think Gar and Pax are making the right moves so far
List of hated players: 1. LeBron; 2. Wade; 3. Bosh; 4. Pargo; 5. Pargo... 100. Pargo
Good thing we don't want that sucky loser Chris Paul, or we would not have less cap space available to throw at him.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
As much as he might want to get traded, I don't think Paul is going anywhere. He has no leverage.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Not much harm in the Bulls making a pitch and waiting on Kurt Thomas
I mean, oh my god, Kurt Thomas. If we miss out on him, the season is lost! We’ll have to chose from one of the dozen other replacement level bigs out there.
BullsTwo > Back up and running!
They might have made that phone call already and gotten their answer quickly
The Hornets wouldn’t be meeting with Paul soon just to say were going to trade you.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I think this argument had more teeth before we signed Kyle Korver on the first day of free agency
By now, it’s more than clear the plan is to just fill in roster spots.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Come on
For fuck’s sake, signing Kurt Thomas has absolutely no effect on our ability to trade for Chris Paul.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Making a pitch?
You know the Bulls cannot actually contact Chris Paul? I am pretty damn sure if the Bulls attempted to do so, New Orleans would be all over their asses. For all of the supposed tampering that went on, Riley never once called up LeBron while he was under contract with the Cavs and “pitched” him on coming to Miami. You need to step back into reality for a minute.
i assume
he was talking about making a pitch the hornets, not paul.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
I am pretty sure that he wasn't
He was in another thread talking about how if the Bulls management had any vision they would be pitching Paul on the idea of playing with Rose.
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 3:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i remember seeing the thread
but i don’t remember the context. and is sports2 the same person who was saying that? doesn’t make a difference if something was mentioned on here by someone else really.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
Well, FWIW, Leon Rose, Paul's agent, is fielding calls ...
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It is illegal if the teams are actually doing it.
As it stands, it’s only the agent saying all this. If he had half a brain, which he doesn’t, he wouldn’t be saying things like that. He could very well get himself shut out by a lot of teams. He’s basically giving the NBA a reason to investigate the teams he listed. Pretty sure they don’t like that kind of attention. They will never deal with him, and they will let CP3 know that.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 23, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying he has no hand?
You must have me confused with someone else, I have never been to Chicago.
[whispers] I sexually assaulted Scottie Pippen in 1997.
Yeah, cause signing Kurt Thomas to the vet minimum is preventing us from getting Paul
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 8:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, we've signed everyone we've wanted
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Come on
I don’t see how signing Thomas to a 1-year veteran minimum deal has anything to do with trading for Chris Paul. Not to mention we don’t know if Paul wants to come here or if the Hornets are actually going to trade him. If you don’t like Thomas fine, but there is nothing wrong with the Bulls filling out their roster.
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 9:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, if only we could bring back Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas! Damn!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 23, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's everyone I wanted
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually do wish we still had those guys
Just not at their current price-tags.
by JSB on Jul 23, 2010 5:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
My God, even the best posters here are going off the deep end.
Did the 2010 free agency debacle really make everyone this cynical, delusional, and pissed off? Kurt Thomas signing for just above the vet minimum has literally zero effect on the Bulls’ chances at acquiring Chris Paul. He’s probably not going to be traded anyways. He has TWO YEARS left on his contract! He’s got zero leverage!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
at least you correctly identified it as a debacle :-p
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's the only word in the English language that can even remotely describe everything that happened.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
can somebody post what the roster is looking like right now?
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
Roster:
PG: Rose-Watson-???
SG: Brewer-Watson-Korver
SF: Deng- Korver-Jimmy Johns
PF: Boozer-Taj
C: Noah-Asik- Kurt Thomas
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Danke!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 23, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
credit Sports2, I believe
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
It comes from RealGM, I think. I had never seen it used here until I used it a few days ago.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how appropriate that nick name is.
I mean, Jimmy Johns delivers.
by arjoseph on Jul 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
we can use the nickname I came up for him yesterday, va JJ
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Made of win.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Blog-a-Bull: Where Jimmy Johns doesn't deliver!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Third string PG not necessarily needed
If Brewer indeed does have handles. I would say another shooter is what we need.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 23, 2010 8:36 AM CDT reply actions
I agree for emergency situations
But we can also sign Law & Almond or Byars at the minimum. That’s 13 guys and about 3 million left + many tradable salaries for a deal at the deadline. Something like:
PG – Rose / Watson / Law / Brewer
SG – Brewer / Korver / Watson / Almond
SF – Deng / Korver / Johnson
I've been looking at raw plus minus lately
For some reason raw never took off as a useful stat, but it measures how your team played when you were on the floor. Seems pretty important imo, and when I see a drastic difference between a player’s raw and his team’s pt differential per 100poss, that might mean something.
Anyway, here’s Kurt Thomas’s raw plus minus in recent years compared to his team’s:
2008 w/Sonics: -4.6/100poss on court. The team was -9.2 overall… +4.6 diff
2008 w/Spurs: +3.2/100poss on court. The team was +5.5 overall… -2.3 diff
2009 w/Spurs: +4.5/100poss on court. The team was +4.2 overall… +0.3 diff
2010 w/Bucks: -4.8/100poss on court. The team was +1.6 overall… -6.4 diff
Something happened with Kurt Thomas last year. In 2008 he was a stud with the Sonics (being backed up by Petro helped this stat). He held his own with the Spurs despite having to replace Tim Duncan. And then last year, -4.8 on a 46 win team, I’m shocked by that. For the season, the Bucks were -76 with Thomas on the court, +215 when he was off. His -6.4 difference ranked 3rd worst in the NBA for players who were with the same team all year (Ryan Hollins and Sam Young).
Part of it is his backing up Andrew Bogut, who I think played like a superstar last year. But there’s also his production falloff that PER tabs easily. Thomas has been a 13+ PER player seemingly forever, then last year he dropped to 9.9.
by YaoPau on Jul 23, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This is why he's the 5th big in the rotation and tyger's worries are unfounded. He's only going to play in desperate times.
At least that should be the plan.
And I choose to believe that Kurt Thomas backing up Bogut and his drop in offensive prodution were the reason for his drop in raw +/-. He still defended expertly, but Bogut is WAYYYYY better on offense and significantly better on defense, too last year. Doesn’t mean Thomas wasn’t also very good on defense, he was. There’s a reason the Bucks didn’t totally fall off when Bogut went down.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure Tyger's worries are completely unfounded
but they shouldn’t be centered on Kurt Thomas. They could sign anybody and that player could potentially steal Asik’s minutes. I don’t buy they should sign a paraplegic just to make Asik (and Tyger) comfortable, no sir.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well, right. That's why I said I would save my consternation for when Asik's minutes actually get cut for Kurt. I'm operating under the
presumption that Thibs knows what he is doing. At least until he pulls a Skiles.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
on the other hand, all coaches pull Skiles
they ALL play veterans. Maybe I’m not invested in the development of Omer Asik to where he gets every opportunity to succeed. He get some opportunity, but not every. We need to get to the second round so that Derrick Rose is loved by the city.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
All coaches may pull
a Skiles, sure. But not to the extent that Scott Skiles can pull a Scott Skiles.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 23, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Boston had good rotations
maybe thibs brings that too
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 23, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
The funny thing is that Doc famously had terrible rotations before 2008 (i.e. when the Big 3 and Thibs arrived)
So maybe Thibs helped out with the lineup data? Or maybe it just helps to have a clearcut hierarchy of best players and not tons of mediocre ones that you mix and match. I think the Bulls have a pretty defined set rotation and Omer should be in it and Kurt only when injury strikes.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah it's probably a bit of both
Vinny had real good rotations too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
except for Taj over Tyrus
/bitterness
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
is that not pulling a skiles as well?
vet over youngster?!!!
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
forget it, jake
it’s chinatown
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by marionette on Jul 23, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think that one was definitely more about
the best players being so obvious. I don’t know if Miami ever had rotation issues, but they won’t this year.
also, we should see if he actually takes Noah's minutes
Noah’s the one up for a contract extension, haha (not funny)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Well said
That’s exactly how I feel. SOMEONE was gonna fill that spot, and they would be everey bit the threat (if not more) that Thomas is.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
yup, Aaron Gray took away Tyrus Thomas' minutes too.
not just old fogies
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the only issue most people have with Tyger's argument
or at least the only issue I have with it, is how absolutely 100% certain he is that this fucks up everything. I dont even think its a given that it is bad or unuseful for a coach to use minutes to help motivate a player. The bad thing is that all coaches over do it by at least 200%. Skiles and Boylan by more like 10000%.
However I think its worth pointing out that most European coaches seem to operate in a Skilesesque fashion(correct me if Im wrong?). So hopefully Omer comes over ready to make this whole discussion moot.
by reprisal on Jul 23, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
just to be clear
Im not sure it is useful to use minutes as motivation either – before anyone attacks me on that. I just see it as plausible that it could help, or hurt depending on the coach and player in question.
got old
It’s strange how this thread is varying arguments of whether Thomas sucks too much, or he doesn’t suck enough and will steal Asik’s minutes :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I just have bad, bad memories of PJ Brown, Joe Smith, Malik Allen, and Adrian Griffin
The Thomas signing scares me, because on the surface he started for a successful Bucks team down the stretch and in the playoffs. Unless he looks like he’s clearly lost another step in preseason, I can’t imagine the Bulls signed him to play 8mpg sparingly, and I can’t imagine Thomas signing somewhere to be a 3rd center.
As for if Asik sucks or not, who knows, but my bet is he’s going to struggle a lot early. I don’t think it matters so much how much Thomas sucks, more that the org believes he’s a reliable fill-in.
I just don't see the Bulls making as big a deal about Asik as they have done and then sticking Kurt Thomas in ahead of him
in the rotation. I’m placing trust in Thibs until he betrays that trust.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I have rec'd all of these
fundamentallysound, becuase doing this thing alone is hard—you know—trusting again. Trusting in the competance of one’s head coach, trusting, that maybe he will not navigate ship to rock is a hard thing to do alone. But here we are (and I said I wouldn’t do this again) trusting in Thibs and his vision, his ethic, his general coherent(ness); the coherentjovial bounce of those moobs that have seemingly dropped the hammer on all of my cynicism. He has crushed my veneer of distrust and the haters can suck on my big, fat, chocolate salty balls. Fundamentallysound, thank you for being so brave.
Where I disagree is the disconnect between coach and GM.
Thibs has to win. He’s been touted as the greatest coach to not be a coach. If he thinks that Kurt Thomas gives him even one more win in the season, he should take it. That doesn’t mean he’ll be right. Maybe Asik has a lingering injury that makes him a half-step slow for a month or two (like Rose last year, but he was allowed to play through it, and he was better for that), or maybe he has a tough time understanding English in rapid fire rotations (I have no clue), maybe he gets homesick.
If I’m Thibs, maybe Thomas comes to me because he expected to be the back-up center and Asik isn’t playing well, and I want the veteran in there. Thomas comes in, is where he’s supposed to be, doesn’t do bad things, the team continues to win (because Thomas is basically irrelevant), Asik heals but doesn’t get back on the court.
If Thibs has made a commitment to Asik (either in his own head or not), and Thomas has signed knowingly and willingly as the 5th big/3rd center, then fine. It just doesn’t make sense to me that those promises were made, so I’m worried.
Asik is in Chicago for three years at a pittance. He can be sat all year. They’ll still have him for two more years.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, if that's the case then I'm sure Pax will grab Thibs by the tie and shake him until he plays Asik.
Or Jerry Reinsdorf will call him out in the media or a Chicago sports radio host will say, “Omer in the second quarter, Tommy.”
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ha, that Silverman impression made me laugh
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
But you could
take Thomas’ name out of your reply and sub it with any other name at this point. If Kurt Thomas gives us the best chance to win, then play the old bastard. I mean, with repsect to the Big O, he’s not really drawing comparisons to Wilt fucking Chamberlain; we’re talking about a defensive-minded effort/center at this point. We haven’t seen anything from the guy, and certainly not enough to get defensive of his minutes yet. Shit, say we signed Josh Boone or any other stiff left on the list, they would still be a “threat” to him by extension of them playing the same fucking position. All of this Asik dick protecting is really unwarrented at this point.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'm still shell-shocked they traded Kirk Hinrich for nothing
all those examples are Skilesian. Maybe it’s a new team and a new coach? maybe :-/
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see it that way
I actually see the Thomas signing as a positive for Asik. They bring in the greybeard vet who could provide some intangibles, and won’t rock the boat. It’s the exact type of backup you want if you’re trying to give the kid some run. I think almost any other signing would be more of a threat to Asik.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
That's intersting because
I use to feel the same way about Brad Miller. There were times even last season when he was on the court that Tyrus should of been out there. I remember a couple of 5pts 4 rebs in 30mins for Brad Miller. So there is a possibility he could get substantial minutes over Asik if Noah gets hurt at some point this year. Unless Thibs is smarter than VDN when it comes to personnel decisions.
Right. I don't think coaches use many of these stats.
And, for the most part, maybe they shouldn’t, especially head coaches. That would be way too much time spent on spreadsheets and not enough on drawing boards, watching team, getting the trust of the team. The GM and assistant coaches should look at these things.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Okay with signing Thomas
Kurt Thomas won’t be stealing minutes from Asik or anybody, unless someone gets hurt or Asik is really playing terrible…………..Thomas will be the emergency pf or c on the team…….I also thought Thomas played pretty well last season and for 1 year and a little bit over the vet min. that;s not a bad deal
Link on this knowledge?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
he sucked most of last year
until the playoffs where he played very well.
I hate that he’s that old. I believe he’s the second oldest player (after Shaq) in the NBA.
wow
::speechless::
(first time, ever)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If you were speechless, you wouldn't have typed anything
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 24, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thomas is a perfect fit...
Love this signing… we need a thugy center to replace Brad. Plus, this should excite some of the Tyrus man-crushers to see the name back on a jersey…
But I am absolutely astonished that idiots on here would be interested in McGrady. Bringing in McGrady would be monstrously stupid and as is anyone who sees it as a good idea. No really… Stu. Pid.
I'd imagine Shooting Guard
T Mac, Eddie House, Rasual Butler, people like that
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully, of those 3, it's Eddie House, though I can't imagine there will be a ton of minutes for him.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yea, it's not a very desirable spot at this point (from a free agent's perspective)
Roles already seem pretty defined.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I'd say the same about 5th big/3rd center.
And since, if I were Kurt Thomas, I wouldn’t think I’m relegated to team mentor (even if I should be), I don’t see why he signs if he doesn’t think he’s going to be 3rd/4th big-2nd Center.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, if they handed him the backup center job, and made any sort of promise to him
I’ll be pretty pissed too. But there’s no reason to assume that’s the case. This feels like them just getting a veteran insurance policy that won’t rock the boat. Maybe he wasn’t getting any offers from other teams. Or maybe he wanted to play for a winning team, and didn’t mind a small role. We don’t know. I guess we’ll have to wait to hear from management to get some clarification
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
As long as the next signee
would be okay with limited minutes, I’d be cool with anyone. The roster’s pretty solid right now.
by Wake on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we have a Pargo thread
just the thought of him in the rotation makes it about beer-thirty cst over here.
by Dogfishhead on Jul 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Kurt Part 2
electric boogaloo
yee haw
"4 inches, baby!" --ripped off from Kush
by anorexorcist on Jul 23, 2010 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This puts Shaq to the bulls to bed right ?
If so, this is a great signing.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Unless they really wanna kill Tyger, I would say so
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
QD, I mean, what?
the operation is over? What happened to shutting down the carter?
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
yup, RIP
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I've started using it out in public.
So maybe it’ll work its way back on here through some other means.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted to get
t-shirts with that on it.
by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 23, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Early word from KC has the right kind of spin on it
Thomas, 38, is a 14-year veteran who long has been known as one of the league’s top citizens. He can also still play — as his playoff performance indicated. […] Thomas will serve as an insurance big man should rookie Omer Asik not pan out.
Someone show tyger this to talk him off the ledge.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
He'll probably just rationalize why he thinks KC is lying
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 23, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
What does "not pan out" mean?
Seriously. I would say it means he doesn’t develop into a solid back up at some point in the first two years. Obviously, they’re talking a much shorter time frame than that since Thomas is signed for one year, or two w/ an unguaranteed 2nd.
Honestly, I don’t see how this doesn’t back up what I’ve been saying. This tells me they are going to have a short leash with Asik.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
is there anything you cant spin negatively?
what the hell do you want?
free reign for asik ? a BACKUP center?
we could go out and get another backup center.
we’re not talking about starter here. its a damn back up.
if he sucks he sucks. i could care less about developing him if he doesnt pan out.
how many years did we waste on tyrus and he was a damn starter. are you going to ask them to waste as much time on asik who is always going to be 2nd to noah if not 3rd now to thomas?
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 23, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, I just don't understand what "not pan out" in the context of one year means.
to me, not pan out means multiple years.
so, I read this as “in case Asik plays bad”.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Are you nuts or bored?
You are examining the semantics of a throwaway sentence in a throwaway article by someone who doesn’t even work for the Bulls.
You are spending more time trying to figure out exactly what the beat writer meant by “pan out”, than he spent writing it.
Gross.
If it's used to be some sort of proof to me, as it was stated it should be, um, yeah.
Otherwise, I wouldn’t care.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Maybe it means that if he sucks for a whole half of the season, that Kurt will get the playoff minutes?
Surely you don’t think that if Asik is ass for the whole year they should just keep trotting him out there?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
When you wrote "Kurt", I was immediately thinking of you know who
This is not gonna be a smooth transition
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
tyger's match.com profile:
“fond of ledges”
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Thank you.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Asik could easily suck though
It’s why I’m trying to force myself into liking this move.
I hope he wears number 24 so I can still sport my Tyrus jersey
by Option27 on Jul 23, 2010 11:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ehh, not a big fan, but im real cool with this
BTW…
I just updated the roster on 2k with watson- AND WERE SO FUKIN AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did the same!
Destroyed Miami by 19 points on HoF.
by Wake on Jul 23, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
i suck @ 2k
but i lost to LA by only 2 points compared to the 20pt blowout that usually happne
ITS A PROCESS!
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by Belize on Jul 23, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
But honestly something’s up with the A.I. when you trade people. Bosh thinks he’s Beasley because he keeps settling for jumpers and Wade isn’t as aggressive when LeBron is there. Weird.
Bosh already thinks he's Beasley
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 24, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep.
i dont have asik so i was having a problem with rotations
with kurt its great. i can go full turbo the entire 4th quarters and rape shit
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
go 2 2k share
some guy made Omer on their
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I hope the bulls have the contract ready for TMac when he comes on Monday to work out..
If he can go….sign him on the practice court right then and their…If they don’t like what they see then options are out their but TMac is the only free agent left that adds a dimension to our current roster…The other players left to consider add depth but none of them have ever put up anything close to his numbers…career wise or season numbers…
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tracy_mcgrady/career_stats.html
If this guy is half the player he is still the best available player..period.
by Tyler Durden's House on Jul 23, 2010 1:08 PM CDT reply actions
ya..but he only played 1/3 of the season
if that much at all
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Right
Because he was whining about taking on a smaller role.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Kelly Dwyer is positive
about Kurt Thomas
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 23, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Solid read
Guess theres a first time for everything tho
More than 10 years later, here we are. I’m a Bulls fan, I told a buddy of mine about the Thomas signing last night, and he gives me a high five. Nobody, in the decade since, has reacted to the news about their favorite team acquiring Thomas’ rights, and reacted with anything but a positive remark. That’s a testament to his skills, his smarts, and his drive.
by reprisal on Jul 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this?
A. Good
B. Bad
or
C. Doesn’t matter
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that should be T.Moore's sig
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
basically
I think? It wasn’t my best jab.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, have you ever taken a standardized test
the answer is ALWAYS C
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Anyway Bulls can have cut out posters of his face for fans to wave around?
i think it could be a huge Xfactor in the other team missing every free throw
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I finally made it! Top of the world ma! My fifteen minutes are up :(
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Can Omer Asik contribute to the Bulls this season?
John hollinger
(3:21 PM)
Yes, I really liked him in the draft and thought he should have been a mid-first-round pick. Probably needs to add strength and first year can be a rough one for Euro rookies, but he’ll be a decent backup C.
Hollinger Chat (Yours truly asking the question… for Tyger)
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by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 12 recs
u lucky bastard
=)
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by Belize on Jul 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha, it's the first time I've ever gotten a question answered in one of those gd chats
It’s way more gratifying than I ever thought it would be (which probably speaks poorly of me as a well rounded human being)
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nice work...
Sounds like we can expect some quality work from him, if not right away, next year at the latest.
two things
Why didn’t you use juicebox?!
And you should’ve followed up a xavier henry squestion
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
I didn't want to use some silly internet name, I've gotta show this to my kids someday!
Seriously though, I wish I did, that would’ve been funnier. I always just use my regular name instinctively, that will change now.
If I included a Henry question also, he probably wouldn’t have answered. That definitely would’ve been the jackpot though. I would’ve thrown my computer to the ground and walked off into the sunset.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Friday
It’s arguably nice outside
We’re stuck at work
Only 2 months til start of regular season
LeBron is an Asshole
by leeac on Jul 23, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Don't See How Anyone Cannot Love Kurt:
I’m excited about the possibility of him teaching ALL our young bigs how to do as much as possible with their skill set. I think it is safe to say that Kurt exceeded expectations based on his skill set, and his longevity is a testament to that.
He is going to toughen up the whole team…I hope.
He's a smart post defender, I doubt he has that much ability left.
This seems like a ceremonial “sage veteran locker room presence” signing. If Asik is half as good as some people make him out to be, Thomas is not going to see much playing time.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 23, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
I’m just hoping Kurt can teach the things he knows to improve the youngsters. If Kurt tried to play 25 minutes a night, I think his legs would turn to dust.
by wordtrey on Jul 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
When is the press coinference?
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Obviosuly not an interesting move, but a very solid insurance policy.
They needed an NBA player that could capably defend the center position in case of an injury or Asik seriously struggling. What they got was someone fairly close to ideal for the role.
He’s solid injury insurance because he stays fairly healthy himself even at his age, and he can play in combination with any of the posts on the Bulls roster including Noah and Asik because of his jumper. Considering that Noah and Asik is unlikely to be an effective combination on the floor that’s fairly important if Boozer or Gibson go down for an extended period.
And he’s no long term threat to Asik, and will likely impart some knowledge along the way to Asik, Noah, Gibson, and hell maybe even Boozer along the way. Boozer did claim to want to learn to defend better. I don’t think Asik needs guaranteed playing time to start the season anyway.
Another solid move. Now just need to sign one more point guard to complete the 12 player active roster that should be a much bigger priority than another SG. If Derrick goes down for a week or two or three they need that third point guard. They have enough to mix and match on the wing with between Deng, Brewer, Korver, Watson, and Johnson.
by Scotter on Jul 23, 2010 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
"he’s no long term threat to Asik"
right, even if Kurt Thomas does somehow wrestle away playing time from Asik next season, Asik is here for 3 years.
I disagree on the need for a PG over a SG. You can sign the SG (preferably one who can shoot) and the 3rd PG will be signed after that and put on the IR. In your scenario where Rose goes down he’d be on the IR then anyway.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 23, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think a third point guard as a higher priority than another SG,
Watson is fine as a combo guard in the third guard role, but he’s not a point guard. If I’m going to give an above the minimum salary to get someone on the roster it should be another point guard. If they can sign a point guard that can shoot a little bit then it is no contest. You can get way with playing out of position on the wing to cover up injuries. Playing out of position at the point doesn’t work like that. Right now they have Rose and Watson who is barely a point guard.
But I’m also fine with playing Watson, Korver, and even James Johnson at SG. If you’re of the mindset that none of those guys can play SG then SG is a much bigger need. I think the Bulls already have enough to mix and match with at SG with those three guys and Brewer.
I think almost everyone doesn't want to see JJ get minutes at his natural position, SF.
So we would we want to see him out of position? Watson playing PG is a much more natural fit than JJ at the 2. Also, Deng is more likely to go down than Derrick, and in that case Brewer and Korver would have to fill his minutes at SF, leaving only Watson and whoever else we sign to pick up the backcourt minutes.
Sign another shooter as an insurance policy (I vote Mason) and all your bases are covered.
isnt his natural position technically PF?
in college he was a PF, no? he’s just undersized and potentially better at SF at the pro level. But I think in college he was a PF, and thus, that’s what i believe his “natural position” is.
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Johnson has no natural position, but he definitely isn't a 4 or a 5.
He’s just an athlete who can do a bunch of things with a basketball, but none of them well.
He does none of the things a PF has to do in the NBA well enough to justify playing him at that position. The Bulls actually did that part right in never entertaining the notion that he should be an undersized PF.
There’s nothing in his size, athleticism, or skills that prevents him from playing SG, and if the Bulls are going to try to develop him that’s the position he needs to learn to play.
maybe if the weight loss does stick
but how he looked last year was too big and slow for SG.
I think it would’ve been interesting to see him as a PF, but he likes to shoot 3s anyway so it likely wouldn’t have been a long experiment.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 24, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No way can he play SG
And whats wrong with a 4 that can shoot 3’s? JJ can probably beat most 4’s off the dribble.
Similar to Rodney Rogers, another 6’7 power forward that played away from the basket. Another guy from Wake Forest.
"Michael Redd's owed 18.3 million next year. He can either opt out like an idiot or opt in like a douche bag." - NittanyCub
Why would you want another fat ass Rodney Rogers?
If the goal is that then the Bulls should dump him as soon as possible because there is no point to having a player like that on this team.
The Bulls have said multiple times that they didn’t draft him to be that. Johnson himself doesn’t want to be that and he followed through by dropping the weight.
Denver didn’t draft Rogers with the hope he would pack on even more pounds so they could get a short fat PF that doesn’t rebound, but will chuck up shots. And a team with Noah, Boozer, Gibson, and Asik on the roster definitely shouldn’t be looking for that. If the Bulls need an undersized PF they have a 6’9" small forward that actually rebounds, makes shots, and knows what to do on offense without the ball.
He doesn't look like he did last year.
He would be a big SG, but he’s the same size as Joe Johnson now. Johnson actually has a pretty good feet and balance on defense and his size is advantage more than a disadvantage. Plus it would mean he has to stay on top of his weight and maybe drop another 10 lbs.
OT - I was just thinking about this whole Chris Paul trade demand situation
and about how this superfriends thing could get out of hand. Something occurred to me, and I’m not sure if it’s been brought up before. It’s regarding the way the Lebron-Bosh thing went down. In the past, people have always said that players won’t leave their teams because they’d be leaving money on the table. Which is true, in theory. But Lebron and Bosh have basically just punched a hole right through that theory.
If there was ever a team that would tell their superstar to walk and not give him his sign and trade, it was Dan Gilbert and the Cleveland Cavaliers with Lebron James. Yet, even after the crazy letter Gilbert wrote, and Lebron shitting on Cleveland on National TV, the Cavs went ahead and gave him the sign and trade. With Bosh, for some reason, Toronto never even seemed to care all that much, they seemed like just a spectator in all of this. Allowing Bosh to dictate all of the terms of his departure.
My point is, other players are watching this. Melo, Chris Paul, and anyone else that isn’t happy with their situation is sitting at their house thinking: “Wait a minute, if they can do that…”. What basically happened is that players now realize, or at least they should realize, that they hold ALL the leverage. Carmelo wants to leave as a free agent, but still wants max money? Sure, the team will talk a big game and act tough, but in the end, they’ll cave. There’s nothing that can stop it now. If the league doesn’t figure out a way to stop this, it’s gonna be the norm.
Forgive me if this is all obvious and has been brought up before, I just don’t remember it. Someone tell me, am I missing something? Is there anything that would give a free agent pause before leaving? For some reason this really bugged me.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 23, 2010 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
That's a whole bunch of words to just say
“Do players have any power?”
They do.
by NittanyCub on Jul 23, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's three paragraphs, is that really a lot of words?
It’s not like I made it a fanpost, or something. And it’s not asking “Do players have any power?”, it’s asking: “Do players have ALL the power?”. Big difference.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 24, 2010 4:53 AM CDT up reply actions
The players don't hold all the leverage. They hold most, and they should, when they are a FA
Before then, they’re still at the mercy of their teams. Even Kobe couldn’t get himself traded. Stars are too important and too hard to replace to just trade away even when one is unhappy. If they can leave for another team when they’re a FA, well, that’s what they’re supposed to be able to do. The NBA system still limits their choices of where they can go. Are you saying you think a player should be beholden to the random team that drafted them without their say?
Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com
he's saying a player can just sulk, and ruin team chemistry and force a trade before thier contract is up.
Didn’t Vince Carter do this? Or was that T-mac? I thought one of them admitted to not giving full effort.
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It would be wrong to take the first tier of talent's power brokering
as indicative of power distribution. Ultimately superstars have always in some way, relative to the league, had ultimate power, which the owners can only tether retroactively; but ultimately a majority of the players are still at the short end of the power stick.
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by Super-Structure on Jul 23, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah actually there is something that would stop a free agent from leaving
some people get it.
“It would be bigger for me to win another championship [in Chicago] than to win somewhere else,” he said. “The city would love me. It would be bigger for me to even get to the second round, so imagine a championship.”
http://www.blogabull.com/2010/7/22/1583696/it-would-be-bigger-for-me-to-win
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Well most states don't have the beneficial tax laws that Florida has, so players will face harder choices about leaving money on the table.
The Heat guys really aren’t giving up much in the way of money, at all. The only states where this is the case are Texas and Florida, IIRC. So teams in those states should be able to stack up (perhaps unsurprisingly they are already stacked).
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 24, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
wrong thread :-p
unless this was about Kurt Thomas’s free agent pull
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last time i checked tmac only sees the rim
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Young McGrady Maybe
But not as he matured (basketball-wise.) 4.7 assists per game for his career is pretty good for someone who thought primarily of shooting. And his assist numbers in his time in Houston were pretty great even if he did ball-dominate a bit too much.
With better health and a better work-ethic, McGrady would be in the same conversation as Kobe in regards to best player in the league status… assuming he could win a title. I always thought his overall skill-set was much better than Kobe’s.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 24, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Hi Assist totals can be driven by USG
and Tracy McGrady has been the king of usage. 7 out of the last 10 years in the top 6.
Usage Pct
2000-01 NBA 31.2 (6)
2001-02 NBA 31.1 (5)
2002-03 NBA 35.2 (1)
2003-04 NBA 33.2 (2)
2004-05 NBA 31.2 (4)
2006-07 NBA 35.0 (1)
2007-08 NBA 30.4 (3)
Active 30.3 (6)
Career NBA 30.3 (8)
Career 30.3 (7)
Tracy McGrady has always needed the ball in his hands.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 24, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why I said he ball-dominated too much
Doesn’t change the fact that he wasn’t effective in that role. And it certainly doesn’t mean he wasn’t a good passer.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 24, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I guess I differ on the degree of ball-domination (since he was first in the league a couple of times).
But you said that, you’re right. I’ve heard people say he’s a good passer in the past too, so I think there is the potential for him to play a constructive role in the Bulls offense. But transitioning from being ball-dominant to a constructive role will be the challenge.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 24, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
And I don't think he can do it.
But not for not trying. I just think that to change from the alpha-dog mentality to being a role player may be too much. Especially if he feels he is truly healthy again.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 24, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
mcgrady doesnt play defense anywhere near the level that kobe does
his offensive game maybe rivaled kobe for a moment before being derailed by injuries but their defensive games are far apart
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Which goes back to the work-ethic issue
Or in McGrady’s case, a lack thereof. Kobe wasn’t always a good defender. It was something he worked hard at. McGrady had all of the tools to be just as good, plus he is bigger and longer than Kobe. Too bad he never truly put those talents to use and coasted on his natural talents for much of his career.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 24, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the Kurt Thomas Signing
I think he’s a nice stopgap till Asik gets his feet under him and is ready for quality NBA minutes. There is going to be adjustment for him and I think this takes the pressure off him a bit and gives us a little extra security.
Wowwww great move......
….Between the Black hawks winning a championship, and the Bulls doing everything humanly possible to win……
Is it me,or do the Packers really suck???
by I love football! on Jul 24, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions
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