Backup big and SG possibilities
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 AM CDT
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PrintJust something to chew on this morning (actual news has taken a break), considering potential candidates to take the remaining possible minutes in the rotation.
Now's not the time to get too risky (that was 2 weeks ago), and I'd expect the Bulls to be looking for someone who doesn't mind sitting on the bench, and won't rock the locker room. But there are some definite holes still, namely 3-point shooting. And is anyone else worried as to what happens if Omer Asik is worthless?
Remaining Free Agents:
Not in any order.
Bigs:
Kurt Thomas
Shaq
Kwame Brown
Lou Amundson
Josh Boone
SGish:
Shannon Brown
Tracy McGrady
Roger Mason
Keith Bogans
Rasual Butler
Josh Howard
Eddie House
Antoine Wright
Flip Murray
Michael Finley
Jerry Stackhouse
Matt Barnes
Marquis Daniels
After the jump, some trade targets I brainstomed in a comment yesterday and am re-purposing as to maximize my meager contributions:
potential trade targets?
Just went through Sham’s site to find guys who may be had for nothing, or less than nothing (i.e. Bulls get paid to take), or for James Johnson:
Bigs:
Chris Wilcox (1yr, $3m)
David Andersen (1, $2.5)
Solomon Jones (1, $1.5)
Ryan Hollins (2, $4.9)
Kris Humphries (1, $3.2)
Brandon Bass (3, $12)
Jason Smith (1, $2.2)
Antonio McDyess (1, $4.9 + $2.6 buyout)
SG-ish:
Anthony Parker (1, $2.85)
Wayne Ellington (1 + rookie deal TOs, ~$1m)
Daequan Cook (1, $2.2)
Willie Green (1, $4)
Marco Belinelli (1, $2.4)
Nick Young (1, $2.3)Xavier Henry
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Roger Mason is still out there right?
Either way, they need to get a big signed quick. Couple decent players left, but its going to get very thin, very fast. None of our bigs are iron men, and Asik’s unproven.
thanks, added Mason and Bogans
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Slightly OT
How can we get into the gray area between the Cap and the LT threshhold? By signing players to minimum contracts after we get right up to the Cap, right? Then what happens after we get into that gray area. How can we get from the Cap to the LT threshhold?
you can't this season
but next offseason the Bulls will be over the cap and get their exceptions back (MLE, BAE)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Two ways
This summer – we could sign players right up to the cap for our requried 13 roster spots, then sign two more minumum contract players
This season – participate in trades where we take back 125% of what we send out.
Of course – neither of those will get us exceptions for this season.
They could only get to that gray area this summer...
If they did not renounce all of their own free agents (which has not really been reported) and then signed their own free agent using Bird Rights to an amount greater than their cap hold, which could in theory, push the team above the cap.
It is not likely for this to happen.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 21, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand your question?
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
I say Parker is a great trade target
Bellinelli would be great too since he is so young, but Parker is experienced, has won championships in the Israeli league and is a good shooter.
I’d also think about Finley. He’d take the minimum or close to it, he’s a Chicago native, and he can still hit threes and play not terrible defense.
also, with Parker
Chicago guy! (Naperville?)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And his sister
is pretty darn cute too. On second thought, what would it take to pry Candace away from the Sparks?
a sex change?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 21, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
something tells me
even if that were to happen, she’d/he’d still be out of Shelden Williams league.
by ch3zyp00fs on Jul 21, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
i used to drive her and my sis to their soccer practice
then Candace got fed up with being told tall=keeper. At that point she was probably already better at basketball than I’ll be at anything
parker sucks so bad
suckage hides in the dictionary from him. Seriously, look in a dictionary
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Hmm
Yeah, a 6’6 41.5% career 3PT shooting backup 2 guard that is solid defensively sucks. You know he is going to be like our 10th man?
by JSB on Jul 21, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
i dont need to see this again when we play MIA
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
OMG HE GOT CROSSED OVER HE SUCKS BRO
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 21, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
That makes sense
Since he got embarrassed once by one of the best players in the game, he has no value.
I’m sure you don’t have any interest in OJ Mayo either, then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUn9UNIJGO4&NR=1&feature=fvwp
by pooriejay on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OJ
CJ
Sounds like its time to bring back the Big Balls Man
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
I have to agree with Belize's standards here
Plenty of 10th men shut down a top 5 in the league player every time they play, without ever being crossed over once.
We can’t be accepting mediocrity out of the third string, next thing you know you’ll end up like the Nets with 12 wins and a crazy Russian owner.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 21, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I almost feel like Anthony Parker's still too good to be a 10th man
he could easily be the 7th or 8th guy on a very good team.
I got the skills to pay the bills and that's about it
by Rose Colored Goggles on Jul 21, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely possible, numbers have been declining
But that could just be playing with a better supporting cast.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Bradley University
I remember him lighting it up against my ISU Redbirds.
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by Fukudometer on Jul 21, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Parker would be an excellent pick-up
If he isn’t available now, if the Cavs struggle he might be available later in the season. Very good three point shooter with good size and solid defensively. Almost a perfect fit for what we need out of a back-up 2 guard.
not sure what the Cavs are doing
maybe if they sign Matt Barnes he’s really available. They should probably be ditching some veterans, but then again Gilbert may be wanting to rebuild on the fly (though that seems fairly impossible)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
You remember what Gilbert said
They’re winning now! He can say it and it’ll happen. The Cavs are going to win the East and the title before Miami, remember….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
That's why I don't know what the Bulls are doing. The Cavs are winning it this year
we should have saved our cap room and signed everyone to 1 year deals
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by J Theory on Jul 21, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have to agree on parker. He is a little old but...
41.4% from 3 last year and 41.5% for his career. Thats the definition of consistency. You know exactly what you are gettin gwith this guy!
Maybe Dan Gilbert gives us Parker out of pure hate
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 21, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He sure seems unstable enough
I’d definitely have JR give him a call around the trade deadline and talk about what it felt like to be fleeced by Lebron, and how only the Bulls are in a position to do something about it.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Eddie House is younger (32), shoots the three as anyone on the list (41%), and is actually
an available free agent. He is the best fit.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
bulls don't need him to spot at the 1 more than a couple minutes
which means he’d pick up most of his minutes at the 2 and he would end up hemorrhaging points on defense
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not if his role is to take fouls and chuck threes late in the game.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
if he was willing to only chuck threes when needed
but he chucks threes when he has the ball in his hands
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Eddie House is 6-1......We are talking about signing a shooting guard.....
Not a 3rd point guard….
And fortunately Eddie House
can shoot, generally the role of a shooting guard.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Earl Barron and Xavier Henry.
Is Barron a FA or did the Knicks resign him? I liked his ability to rebound the ball and Henry yaaaa… pipedream maybe? I wouldn’t mind just signing anyone that’s played well out of summer league and can put the ball in the bucket.
don't know who that second guy is
I believe Barron is still out available.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
"is still out available"
huh?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
whoa
I must’ve had a brain misfire there.
“still out there” or “still available” :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Basically what I'm saying
Is that for the backup SG…. anyone but Pargo.
by ch3zyp00fs on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still like
T-Mac on a 1yr deal to backup SG/SF. If he sucks release him, or trade him in February.
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d'oh, that was not an intentional oversight
added him too
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah...
So go on and add Allen Iverson! haha… maybe not, but I do hear he’s looking for a team.
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by JustAnotherFan on Jul 21, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
100% agree
T-Mac is a low risk high reward player. Showed flashes last season w Knicks ( granted good and bad) that he could still play at times. Got our defender with Brewer now need a scorer off the bench. Got sick of Rose creating then passing to bricked shot. Nothing more fustrating as a PG, busting your ass, drawing a defender, than see your kick out get clanked off the rim. T-Mac can flat out shoot (especially on open looks he’ll be getting from Rose) and ,if a little healthy, can do other things as well. If you limit his minutes, could make an impact in the playoffs. Comparing his downfall to Iverson is unfair because Iverson had off court issues that are more severe than people realize. At least take a look at T-Mac. If he has anything left in the tank, he can make the biggest impact of anyone else on the free agent market.
No, T-Mac can NOT flat-out shoot
Here’s his career FG%: 45, 43, 45, 45, 45, 45, 41, 43, 40, 43, 42, 39, 39
And his 3pt %: 34, 23, 28, 36, 36, 38, 34, 32, 31, 33, 29, 37, 25
Not saying he’s a bad shooter, but he’s not really that good, either. He scored a lot because he’s been a ball hog his whole career. Plus, he’s not an athletic player (especially now), doesn’t play defense, and is a whiner.
I don’t want that guy anywhere near the team. I’d be much happier with a hungry young player.
Is Ellington really available?
not that he’s any great shakes, but he sort of intrigues me. he can’t create, and he needs stuff run for him, but he was a very efficient offensive player in college that picks his spots effectively.
from DX:
Because of how well Ellington was able to pick and choose his spots, he ends up looking excellent in a host of different categories. He for example ranks 3rd in his ability to finish around the basket, behind James Harden and Jermaine Taylor, 3rd in catch and shoot jumpers, behind K.C. Rivers and Jack McClinton, third in pull-up jumpers, behind Jack McClinton and Jodie Meeks and first in points per possession in transition opportunities.
sounds like an ok fit playing with Rose or Watson. i wouldn’t give up anything of value for him, but if we could get him really cheap (or basically free), he may be worth a shot. .395% from 3pt last year as a rookie.
I honestly have no idea, just figuring with Kahn nobody knows
they got Webster and Brewer at SG.
Bulls would probably have to give up a future 1st though, so that’s not really the same criteria.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they only acquired 4 small forwards this off season
if we ship them JJ they can complete Kahn’s dream of playing 5 at once…think of all the match up problems it will create!
They'd be the horrible, bad version of the ATL Hawks from 4 years ago.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Perhaps Brewer
would be a more likely target? Since our new HC loves defensive guys, and Brewer is a good defender and his shot is not horrific.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 21, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, McDyess is a great target
If he can be had for nothing. Any big man who can come off the bench and run two quick pick and pop plays with Rose to give one of our bigs a breather seems like a good idea. McDyess is still great from midrange.
by DRose01 on Jul 21, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I like Finely.
He’d be a great off the bench guy he always seemed to have a great attitude and would be a good veteran presence.
Added Matt Barnes too
that whole Toronto thing looks dead.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:24 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, it looks dead.
However, according to ESPN, bulls aren’t even in the running
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
In non free agent/trade news, looks like CJ Watson has arrived (press conference?)
Up early sleepy but got bizness to do today
Amazed at all these high rise buildings in chicago its like I’m a lil kid eager bout everything here
Think I might need a tour guide for the first month in chicago lol good thing I got navigation in my car cuz I will b gettin lost here seems like
Superteams suck.
And this:
Why does everyone in Chicago keep asking me about Xavier Henry?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
hah!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Ha
I kinda like having one of our guys on Twitter. At least he’s not Bosh.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Bobby Simmons (never lived up to the hype, but at this point, is there any left?)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I'd also take a flyer on Mardy Collins, cuz... why not?
The Bulls won’t, though, of course.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I would take a flyer on Collins too...
Big guard with handles to run the point…at this point, with 10 players signed, I don’t want anyone would actually expect to play minutes (unless Asik is garbage).
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 21, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
And Cartier Martin...
I think he might be a sleeper.
Josh Boone
Steven Hunter
Earl Barron
Jon Brockman
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Boone actually made my first draft
Brockman was just traded to your 3rd favorite team, the Bucks.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they're my fifth favorite team.
But c’mon, I can’t try to be objective about how good a team is without it becoming my subjective team, too? Sheesh.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I like the Bucks too
favorite teams:
BG’s team, Tyrus’ team, Skiles’ team….whoever plays the Blazers.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bobby Simmons, Steven Hunter...
Why not bring back Paul McPherson and see if Q-Tip can defect while we’re at it?
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
heh, didn't even realize that
Honestly, I’m not a “Chicago guy”. Not only was I not looking for Chicago guys, but I didn’t even notice that’s what they were. That’s interesting.
I like the late 20’s guys who might still just have an ounce of potential left and want to try to prove they belong in the league by doing anything and everything the team asks. Now realizing those two are Chicago natives… I guess I like it more as far as “fit” and not rocking the boat and all that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Where's Linton Johnson III when you need him
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Bobby Simmons
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by JockstrapNoah on Jul 21, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
added Marquis Daniels
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
ugh
hate that guy
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jul 21, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't want to reward his behavior of bedazzling his face on a chain.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Obviously Kurt Thomas should be their next target IMO.
at this point I’d like to see them bring on at the SG either Mason, Bogans, House, Barnes.. I this point I’d like to see an enforcer on the team. Someone who can get under peoples skin and play tough defense and hit a three.
I guess Matt Barnes or Bogans. I like pitt bull limited talent guys. A Pete Myers type.
Roger Mason + Kurt Thomas
Offseason over. I’d be pleased.
by pooriejay on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No way. Why would you take old man Kurt Thomas over a 25 year old Josh Boone
who still has great upside and nearly equivalent stats right now. If Thibs is really a defensive whiz he should be able to get more out of the younger Boone. Remember this roster will need to include some risks if they hope to grow into something that can legitimately challenge Miami.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
^^ that should include a question mark. Where's the edit button?
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Because Boone sucks.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Lou Amundson is interesting..
I don’t think he can shoot but hmm…
by SoulEater7 on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why do people think Lou Amundson is available?
I thought they really like him over there?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Isn't he a FA?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Is he?
I thought he was under contract…
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
He's in the list above
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
With Sarver's money-saving ways
Amundson might be lured away with some money/more guaranteed minutes
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 21, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Of the listed big men Kurt would be nice but anyone of them
is better than ending up with a D-Leaguer.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Brandon Bass
is actually very good, but I think the Bulls would have to give away too much plus he’s a pf, not a center
by ChiTownSportsMaster on Jul 21, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
Some other available big men you might want to add to the list:
Theo Ratliff
DJ Mbenga
Steven Hunter (not sure if he’s healthy; wasn’t before last year)
Primoz Brezec
Nathan Jawai
Tony Battie
Etan Thomas
I’m not advocating any of them, but they’re all available as consolation prizes if we don’t get Kurt Thomas.
Sean Williams...
If you want to go young, cheap and with potential. Link.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 21, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
And crazy.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 21, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why do you think he is crazy?
One little incident in a cell phone store…I know its something that we have all wanted to do with the type of service they provide…and he smokes a little weed…that’s cool though, because Joakim does too, and Brad had the same reputation…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 21, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't he have some serious legal problems back in BC?
I may be misinformed, but then again once a player earns that type of reputation it’s hard to get rid of.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 21, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
He was kicked off the BC team for smoking weed...
…and I overlooked that he was thrown out of NYC nighclub twice for being a drunken asshole…
I don’t if all of this information makes him crazy or just stupid…either way, this is America and he can jump high…give him a second chance on a minimum contract…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 21, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It makes him both crazy and stupid
Anybody who was only one of them would not have let this off-court stuff cost him a career in the NBA.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
My goodness, you've actually convinced me.
I like his 3.0 blocks per 36 minutes. Could he be the next Ben Wallace discovery?
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He is still a little shorter then what we need at center
Samardo samules is a 6-9 bruising powerforward that i would rather have then Boone behind Taj and Booz. We need a guy in the 6-11 to 7’1 range backing up noah…
Tony Battie!
probably shoulda been on the list, but he’s been picked up today by the Sixers.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
parker sucks so bad
DJ Mbenga? Ill take him over any of those wack centers..but i like Lou Amundson. I saw him play in Phx and he’s a decent 2-3rd string backup. Hyped all the time and hustles.
Eddie House FTW!!!!!!!!!!!
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
more reason to want him making shots on ur team
just picture him and noah screaming @ each other
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
After EVERY SHOT?!
Wade's a sellout. Lebron is a baby back bitch. Bosh is a lapdog. And Pat Riley is a scumbag.
Those dumbasses jumped. So Boozer,Noah, and Rose dunks on dumbasses.
he fires away threes with no remorse
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
*pre-orders eddie house ASU jersey*
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There aren't minutes left to go around
I can’t see Flip Murray / Shannon Brown / Louis Amundson / Eddie House signing on to be our 11th man. Those are 20mpg players with good years left. And why bother with the Parker/Thomas/Finley types. Old plus bad in 2010 equals worse in 2011.
The guys I could see the Bulls getting are the Jason Collins, Theo Ratliff, DJ Mbenga types. Just a big bruiser inside that the Bulls don’t have right now. Then fill out the rest of the roster with d-leaguers.
There are definitely backup center minutes available.
I don’t trust Asik’s lanky ass and his 30% FT shooting.
Yeah I guess that doesn't make complete sense
saying Collins/Ratliff/Mbenga work and Kurt Thomas doesn’t. With 10 guys on the roster, and with the investment in Asik, I’d expect the Bulls sign someone who makes the Bulls more flexible at the center position instead of trying to compete with him. Thomas is probably a good sign, though guys like him are always available midseason, and I’d rather not bury the young guy right away.
Like the Bulls did with Tyrus?
Young guys improve by making mistakes during games.
Right, well Tyrus was a top 4 overall pick with huge upside on a fringe-playoff team with no starting PF.
Asik’s ceiling is probably backup center with limited offensive skills and he’s playing on a team expected to compete for the Eastern Conference championship. Frankly, I don’t give a shit if he needs to make mistakes during games in order to learn.
And it doesn't matter if you give a shit or not
The argument is about what’s best for the Bulls this season and beyond. You’re advocating getting Kurt Thomas who put up a 9.9 PER at age 37 and is now a year older. I’d have to think Asik’s upside is above that by the end of this season. If we find out it’s not, we can get a vet for next to nothing later in the year.
Not gonna argue too much about the 10th-11th bench spot...
But it doesn’t make sense to wait and see if Asik sucks and then address it mid-season. You have to fill out the roster somehow. Why not get a cheap, veteran presence who has proven he can handle 15-20 minutes if needed.
With a typical rotation of 8-9...
10-12 aren’t gonna play much, except in blowouts either way. I’m ok with signing a couple of our summer leaguers who showed potential and develop them. You never know how they’re gonna turn out, and this may be the best way to find out. Plus, save the extra cash for something mid-season, if necessary. If nothing comes mid-season, you still have that flexibility for whatever else unforseen comes up.
I've argued about less :)
I guess we just have different ceilings placed on Asik. You think he doesn’t have much upside, and I’m not sure what you’re basing it off of unless you’ve somehow watching him consistently in euroleague. He was pretty highly touted when Pax traded three draft picks for him, and it just seems kinda worthless to just let young talent rot, especially when the Bulls aren’t a favorite. Unless you think Kurt Thomas turns us into a favorite, we might as well see if a young guy (Asik/JJ/Almond/Byars) can turn into a valuable piece.
Exactly.
Getting Thomas and giving him a subtle guarantee of minutes (by paycheck or just saying it) might be the difference of one win if Asik is horrible. MAYBE.
On the other hand, if Asik is good enough by the end of the year to “earn” 15-20 minutes, it might be the difference between 2 or 3 wins this year PLUS the certainty of knowing next year.
i.e. The Bulls aren’t going to win this year with or without Kurt Thomas. This is the perfect time to see how good Asik can be.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Just because Pax traded Sonny Weems and two 2nd rounders for Asik doesn' mean he's good.
He should be fine defensively, but you have to question his offensive skills and wonder how he’ll transition into the NBA.
Of course you do.
But not questioning Kurt Thomas’s ability, or any of the other guys like Shaq or whomever is silly. It’s almost just as likely that their production falls off a cliff.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
That's fine to question his upside
But you’re saying his ceiling is so low that we might as well bury him and not even find out. I actually agree with you in that I don’t see “future starter” when I watch Asik on YouTube. But then again, I didn’t see it with Taj before last year, and he worked out pretty good. And tyger’s right, the difference between Kurt Thomas for 15mpg and Asik for 15mpg, even if Asik is bad, is minimal.
by YaoPau on Jul 21, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
And that is especially true given that KT was not anything special last year. His rebound rate was down and his TS and FG% were below 50%. Even if Asik is awful, the difference between an awful player and KT for 15 mpg is maybe not even one win.
Because those 15-20 minutes might be the difference between one loss or not?
Whereas getting a young player time could be the difference between several wins over his career.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Crazier things have happened.
Like losing 10 straight when Noah went down. If that happens, I’d rather not see Asik learn on the fly and hope for the best when he gets 30 min/game. That’s all.
And... Kurt Thomas won't allow them to lose 10 straight?
Any reason to think that?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Listen, I get your whole "and Kurt Thomas will make a difference??" argument.
You’ve said it like 5 times. How the hell do I know if it will change anything? All I’m saying is I think we could use a veteran big man, and I think the Bulls see it that way too. Like I said before, you have to roster someone. Might as well be a guy who has had success in that role in the past.
by pooriejay on Jul 21, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, I've said it five times.
I’m still getting use to the whole 500-comments-for-a-damned-press-conference-thread-and-having-seventeen-different-conversations-about-the-same-thing-in-one-thread thing.
I was comfortable in my little 100-comments thread world. You new guys have fucked up my life.
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by tyger1147 on Jul 21, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
here?
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
you can click on his name
though I don’t really like the pissing contests. I think you all have the potential to suck no matter how long you’ve been here. look at me!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did.
It was rhetorical. It wasn’t meant to be a pissing contest. It was more to blame you for being damned sellout and bringing in all these unknowledgeable new people (although I would NOT put pooriejay in that group by any means)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
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needs a Henry
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did you mean Mark Henry
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by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
this is the nation
of domination
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oh oh here comes the Boricuas
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- fundamentallysound
From Shawn Kemp?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
It's not a question of 10th-11th bench spot
it’s a question of getting a 3rd center, who might have the resposibility of being the primary backup at the position if the current unproven backup doesn’t pan out. I regard getting a 3rd center as very important to the team’s depth. Moreso than getting another 3pt shooter (though that’s important too – we can’t rely only on Korver).
Not only that if our starter goes down for a stretch, ala last year, we have a player that can start
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Why does it make sense to do it now?
You should give Asik every chance he can get considering none of the other options are great. If there was a good player available, sure, of course we should add him. Kurt Thomas, Collins? Those guys aren’t changing anything. See what you got, it’s a long season, plenty of time to fix a small problem like back up center if it doesn’t work out.
You can find a back up center anytime. If he is good, would be nice to get him as much play time as possible before the playoffs. If he sucks, he sucked in garbage time and early in the season, big deal. The cheap, veteran presence you want can be had at any time, and if anything you can probably get a much better one at the trade deadline than you can now.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 21, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
And what if our starter gets hurt?
What if Asik sucks or is just alright? What if it takes Asik a while to adjust and learn the system? I’d rather play it safe and add the best possible veteran avaliable. Let this summer, practices, and pre-season determine how much time Asik gets.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
What's important is having the best possible team come playoff time
We aren’t risking a #1 seed by playing Asik, and we’ll safely make the playoffs. If Asik sucks and the Bulls need a backup, they’ll still have cap space to absorb a contract midseason. If Asik works out the kinks during the year and gives us valuable playoff minutes (along with valuable minutes over the next few years), that seems like a reward worth the tiny risk.
Having the best possible team would be having the deepest team
in case of injury. If we sign a veteran big it doesn’t mean Asik won’t be the 1st option off the bench. Veterans go a long way in making players better during practice.
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- fundamentallysound
If Noah gets hurt & Asik sucks
You’re screwed with any of the guys on this list, so what’s the point?
We wouldn’t be talking about adding any of these guys right now if they were made to start, someone would already paying them big time money.
I also think we should add a guy, but I just didn’t agree with the other guy suggesting Asik should be the backup.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 21, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Kurt would be good enough for a stretch. If it was season ending then yeah it wouldn't matter.
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if noah and asik get hurt
the bulls would waive whatever trash they slot into the 13-14-15 roster spots and pick up Chris Richards
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What if Kurt Thomas is done?
He sure looked like it last year in Milwaukee, what little I saw of him.
Then you have no flexibility in getting someone else because you’ve wasted your cap space on a “veteran”.
Thomas made nearly $4 million last year. I can’t see him signing for the minimum right now.
Besides, if Noah gets hurt, as with Rose or Deng or Boozer, the team is fucked anyway. Putting in a 38-year-old isn’t going to change that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Any other veteran big would do, doesn't have to be Thomas
just as long as we don’t wait until the season starts and have to get some player from the D-League.
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That's the thing I'm trying to say: they won't have to.
As long as they don’t get stupid on the SG, they could get a minimum C from the D-league now. if things don’t work out, then all those guys in the trade list could still be had, maybe moreso since those teams will know how things fit for them, too. And the Bulls wouldn’t have to give anything up really, since they’d have cap space. Like the Bulls did with Thabo 2 years ago.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I dunno. Doesn't just have to be the Bulls SL team.
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2010/6/28/1540775/nba-summer-league-rosters-vegas
There’s a ton of guys not under contract yet that could probably be had for the rookie minimum. Let them be the 14th/inactive guy until we KNOW we need a quality big.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Basically, I'd rather give Asik the chance to suck and Noah to get injured...
….then use cap space to find someone than to use it now just in case one of the above happens.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Free Rod Benson!
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like it!
He’ll work hard, and he knows what he’s doing in general. And he can blog for awesomeness.
….
Maybe.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
It could happen but teams try and hold on to Bigs all the time
If we can trade for anyone one I would wait and watch the Bass situation.
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Signing a vet now is also probably guaranteeing them a nightly active spot
Rose – Watson
Brewer – Korver
Deng – Johnson
Boozer – Gibson
Noah – Asik – Thomas
I guess it’s not that big of a deal, but I’d rather have the flexibility. I dunno. I guess this point is worthless.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Another thing I don't like is if
your trading because of injury the other team is going to force you to give them what ever they want.
But yeah it’s for a bench player so whatever route they go with it’s not that big of a deal.
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- fundamentallysound
They usually don't in this situation.
I mean, you’d be looking for someone that a team is trying to get rid of for salary purposes; thus, the reason you’d want the cap space to be able to take the player without having to match salaries.
It’s actually mutually beneficial in this sense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
how about Kurt Thomas' expiring contract?
I can’t see themselves signing nobody and having actual cap space heading into midseason, so it’s going somewhere.
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*them, not themselves
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that's basically how I check my work
does it sound absurd? (the structure, not the content)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe. I could. For this one season.
Why not?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Really, Rod Benson at the minimum would be pretty great.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
why couldn't they sign Thomas and still give Asik the job?
and if he fails, ay, Kurt Thomas!
I get why he may not WANT to be Asik’s backup though, and then it wouldn’t be a fit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
'cause he's actually too good
same goes for anthony parker. coaches want to win, so they play the better man, even if it’s close.
don’t know about parker’s attitude, but kurt thomas certainly would be fine with being “no 3”.
besides the “veteran savvy rules” theory, there’s the “don’t waste money if you don’t have to” theory.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
I'm not sure about the 'too good' theory
I know all coaches go veteran-y, but hopefully Thibs would give Asik the first chance, and hopefully Asik can beat out an ancient PF for a backup C role.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
If he can't beat out Kurt Thomas
then that’s really sad.
On a related note, if we had Kurt Thomas last year, and he was in the regular rotation, would we have know who Vinny was talking about at any given time? (It’s like a Zen koan)
if vinny could have
he would have thrown Jerome James on the court
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by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe that's why the front office will delay getting another center
to force Thibs to play Asik.
i'm not necessarily in agreement with the theory, which is properly titled "veteran savvy rules"
but i believe it, and can imagine that scenario. only if thibodeau insists on team speed does the rule get broken.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
i guess i mean i don't agree w/ those coaches that do the theory, necessarily...
ugh
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Tyrus Thomas couldn't beat out Joe Smith.
Got the first chance, played well. Skiles panicked. Thomas era over. I’d like the same to not happen to Asik.
Young players make mental mistakes. Coaches don’t like that.
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Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Plus, it's money.
Pay him $2 million now and the same to Anthony Parker, and you’re a) implicitly telling them they’ll be getting minutes and b) hurting your flexibility if they do suck.
If you sign a minimum guy now, and Asik is good, great! You can now use the space to get someone better at another position. If he sucks, you use that to take someone from a different team or whatever.
I guess I just don’t think enough of Kurt Thomas and little enough of Asik to lock this team in for the season.
Now, if you could get Thomas at the minimum and a promise from Thibs to play the young guy through thick and thin except for a Noah injury, then sure.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think that's my main issue
I don’t see any of these guys agreeing to a contract as the 3rd string center who won’t play on most nights. If you sign them now, it’s pretty much guaranteeing that Asik will start the season as the guy who never plays, and the more success the Bulls have the harder it’ll be to change anybody’s role.
I’d much rather the Bulls give him a chance to grow and make a few mistakes without worrying that he’s going to be benched for the rest of the season. If the Bulls have that little faith in him, they should have left him in Europe. If they do see potential in him, he needs a chance to actually realize his potential.
I think it’s almost certain that a 10 year vet will outplay Asik to start with. However, at the end of a year with constant minutes, Asik will probably be the more useful player. Either way, i’d like to find out.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jul 21, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm not against coach-proofing
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
You said that better than I did.
That’s my biggest issue as well.
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no doubt they have to be delicate
but for all we know Kurt Thomas wouldn’t mind riding the bench for a pseudo-contender and would be a good locker-room dude. He wouldn’t try to steal Asik’s job and Thibs wouldn’t give Asik’s job away. It’s possible the d-leaguer outperforms Asik too, and that’d say more about him than the d-leaguer.
Maybe Kurt Thomas is just too good (though he somehow also sucks) and is a bad example.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon, we went through this Tyrus Thomas.
Thomas was more established having a season under his belt, and Joe Smith was not “too good” but still sucked and he won the coach’s heart.
It happens. Often.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
well it's not like we have the same management team here from that fiasco
crap.
Anyway, I think Asik is less important to develop than Tyrus, and that most options we’re discussing are worse than Joe Smith was that year.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're right that we don't know any of these guys minds
and they may be okay with it. I think you summarized my position best when you said it was about coach-proofing. Coaches are asked to do a lot of things including developing players, but at the end of the day, they know they’re going to be judged by their win loss record above everything else. Even if Kurt is okay with sitting, Thibs might not be okay with sitting him.
I hate to defend Vinny, but even a supreme talent like Derrick Rose fell victim to the “win today’s game” mentality that coach’s have. People remember Derrick getting benched in the 4th quarter but what they don’t remember are two facts (1. The opposing backcourt was hopelessly torching the combination of Rose and Ben Gordon which nullified any offense from the two, and 2. Gordon was on fire offensively and carrying the team.) Vinny made what he thought was the obvious choice, which was that Hinrich needed to be inserted into the game for his defense if the Bulls had any chance of winning, and Gordon was playing too well to be sat. I think most coaches would have done the same thing.
I also think a rookie coach like Vinny or Thibs will be more susceptible to win at all costs mentality, but veteran head coaches do it all the time too. Byron Scott was burying Thornton untl his GM traded away his veteran crutch of Devin Brown. Even if your current employer says “we won’t judge you for losing, just play these young players”, your next employer is going to see that as nothing more than an excuse for why you lost if you bring it up.
I think it’s the GM’s job to trust their talent evaluation and not give the head coach a better short term option, and then expect the coach to not play him.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jul 21, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
maybe I'm twisted sideways in what to expect from Asik
I get the coach’s dilemma, and you’re right that as much as Thibs seems different from Vinny all coaches have similar traits when it comes to short-term gain.
I was figuring that there’s no possible way Asik stinks so much, so fast that Thomas takes the job right away, unless he completely stinks and there was never a hope anyway…in which case it’d be nice to have someone immediately capable. I mean, Kurt Thomas is not that good at all, plus we know he had Skiles watching his back, which means already he probably got more minutes than he should’ve. I was hoping it wouldn’t even be a debate in training camp.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know. Players can really suck in short stretches.
It just happens. Even for ten games or so, especially in limited.
I mean, you’d like to think that trying hard or looking good in practice would trump that, but who knows? Plus, a minor injury and Thomas being adequate while the team wins. I dunno.
It sucks, but it’s scary to me.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
question is, do we trust their judgement?
If the Bulls have that little faith in him, they should have left him in Europe.
more than BaBers? yes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
again with ragging on the new people
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
no, that's everyone
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, we love you tyger
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
They've filled every other hole we saw on this team
And if they’re wrong on this one, so what? Finding a guy like Kurt Thomas mid-season isn’t hard.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 21, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
that's true, they're the best
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kwame Brown
He’s an option that (surprisingly) grown on me as the third-string center — and he might sign a contract to fill that role exclusively.
6-9 is not tall enough at center to contend with anyone....
Kurt thomas is to old and short to be useful… We need to trade taj for a bigger pf/C. I really like taj but he doesnt have the size to defend centers and we need a 6th man in the low post to contend with Dallas, Los angels, Spurs, Celtics, the heat, …everyone..yes even big z for vet min is 7’2..
No we don't.
Trade Taj for a 3rd string center?
You’re nuts.
I agree when it comes to SG
but I don’t think the backup center spot is that undesirable. Noah plays better at around 30-35 minutes, so it’s nice to have a good backup. I think the player would get a fair amount of playing time
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
But you always need to be prepared
if Noah goes down. Thinking of Asik starting doesn’t make me happy.
And Kurt Thomas does?
Wow.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
wow
right back.
The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"
Has Noah ever played more than 35 minutes in a stretch?
How do you know he’s “better” at fewer?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I think another team could and should sign Flip
To be more than an 11th man. He’s got 8th man potential :). But really he’s probably better than an 11th man, so I bet he goes soon enough.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Kurt Thomas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either of the Collins twins.
"I want to be that guy. I want to be the reason the Bulls are back."- Derrick Rose.
Give me Derrick Byars or Morris Almond as the last SG and call it a day.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Anthony Tolliver is available right...
For an experienced stretch four minimum salary player…he could be worth a look.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Bulls need more of a back big body than another 4
Noah can always spot a few extra minutes at the 4 and have Asik at the 5 if theres the bulls get another big body, but if Noah or Asik go down I wouldn’t want to see Boozer or Taj spotting minutes at the 5 while Tolliver gets minutes at the 4
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty good selection list.
I like Amundson but can he play the C? Mason for SG. Marquis is interesting but he can’t hit a 3. Is Shaq worth the risk?
Backup Big:
Needs to be pretty solid. Asik is a wild-card at this point. He certainly has some skills, but relying on him to come in and back-up the 5 for 15 minutes a night is very risky.
Okay looking at it again I would like Thomas and Mason on one year deals
two at the most. It would be fun to get McGrady but I can’t see him fitting into the rotation.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
Of the available free agents
SG
Mason or Finley
Bigs
Thomas or Boone
and I’d still say sign two of either Samuels/Lucas/Almonds/Byars to minimums for insurance. And keep one spot open for deadline trades.
don't let the bed bugs bite
Josh Boone: Best Rebounder still available
Let’s start by looking at total rebound percentage, which simply measures the percentage of available rebounds a player grabs on both ends while he’s on the floor. Using 2010 numbers on Basketball-Reference, we get this ordering of some of the notable FAs that remain available:
1. Josh Boone 17.4 %
2. Shaq 17.0 %
3. Lou Amundson 16.7 %
4. Kwame Brown 16.2 %
5. Kurt Thomas 15.8 %
6. Joe Smith 15.5 %
7. Craig Smith 13.5 %
8. Rasho Nesterovic 12.7 %
9. Theo Ratliff 11.6 %
I forgot about Joe Smith...
If the Bulls don’t sign Boone (my first choice) then old Joe could fill savvy back-up big man role…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 21, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris Wilcox
16.1 %
There are really only two plays: Romeo and Juliet, and put the darn ball in the basket.
-- Abe Lemons
Yeah I'd ship JJ to the pistons for Wilcox
He doesn’t seem like he’s going to complain about minutes given his lack of playing time throughout his career.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 21, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And scratch Craig Smith; he's a Clipper again.
I’m torn on Josh Boone; the bigass elephant in the room is he’s a worse FT shooter than Shaq. 32.8% last season. He and Asik could battle it out for worst ever.
I like Josh Boone for the back-up big man slot
More size than Thomas and has never been averse to doing the dirty work. Pretty tough guy too.
Josh Boone shot 32% from the FT line last year and 37% the year before
And this, from Hollinger’s scouting report: “Defensively he’s adequate — nothing more, nothing less. He’s a bit short for a 5 and a bit slow for a 4, but he controls the boards and has a big enough frame to push opposing big men away from the rim. He also fouls less often than most centers.”
I think we can do better. And with all these rebounders we have already, isn’t that the last thing we need?
The role of a third center
would be to step up in case one of those rebounders goes down, or can’t hang in the NBA. The FT thing matters because you can’t play those guys in the fourth quarter. Even with the FT problems I think Boone would be fine as a third center.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
He was 58% from the line in college. The last two years were outliers. He'll be fine.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I would start Rose, Noah, Boozer, House, Korver
and open by raining treys on the opposition. Then you sub in Asik, Boone, Deng, Brewer, and Watson to wear ’em down with energy.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Calling those years outliers...
Is pretty much nothing but wishful thinking. He’s declined every year he’s been in the league from 54 to 45 to 37 to 32. The evidence is pretty clear that he’s been constantly getting worse at free throw shooting since college. We can guess about whether it’s a mental/confidence thing or not, but there’s nothing to suggest he’s going to turn things around. If anything he’d be expected to shoot under 30% next year.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
OK fine it's wishful thinking but not completely unexpected for him to hit at least 50%
Make no mistake, in the aftermath of “the decision” the Bulls are going to have to uncover some diamonds in the rough in order to win anything. This guy, like Asik, could turn into one of them.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll be ok in the rebounding department
I’d prefer someone that can provide a little something offensively, a change of pace from what Noah brings, or what Asik might bring. That’s why I really wanted Brad to stick around. Also why I don’t mind the idea of Shaq. Noah is so good at doing all the dirty work, unless Thibs feels there’s a reason to bring a guy in for him, I feel he might ride him a little too hard.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Can we add Tim Thomas to the list?
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
It's sad because if Sweetney would have stayed in shape he could have been playing still.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
I feel sorry for Sweetney. His last name is a curse
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
by J Theory on Jul 21, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Saw Sweetney play last year.
He actually played on the D League team in my area and I watched him a few times. He is HUGE. He moved surprisingly well though for how big he was. Also, I was unaware his mid range jumper was as good as it was.
by Bulls Fan 4 Life on Jul 21, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Sweetney would be great
if he could only, only stop eating …
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
You get Eddie House and Josh Boone. The end.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
ew
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
People questioning Asik's ability to play 10-15 minutes a night are silly.
The things he wil do well are going to translate. He rebounds, defends the post smartly, finishes very well around the basket, and blocks shots. For 10-15 minutes a night, that’s more than adequate. Heck, loads of backup big men can only do one of those things (Joel Anthony and his shot blocking) and some of them can do nothing besides be really tall.
Plus, all the reports I’ve read indicate that Asik moves extremely well for a guy of his size, he’s relatively strong, and he’s a hard worker. I think the Bulls know what they are doing with Omer. If they believe in him, so do I.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
I hope you're right
The problem is we don’t know. Do you remember how much hype Dragon Tarlac had! He was supposed to be strong as an ox!
what are the translatable metrics there?
rebounding, I could see (if that’s shown correlation with the Euroleague before, I can’t remember). It’s possible he’s overmatched physically here which inhibits the finishing, defending, rotating, and then he has to rely on skills he doesn’t have.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He has portable weights that he carries around with him. He's a beast.
"I guess I can’t do anything if you’re just irrational, but to point it out and move on."
- fundamentallysound
could take a few years to develop too
they need SOME sort of insurance!
I just don't agree with that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I watched him play a little bit internationally, against guys like Gortat and the Gasols. He held his own fine athletically.
I really don’t think he’s going to be overmatched. He’s huge and quick.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I will still call my skepticism not silly
underinformed, maybe.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just think you're being overly cautious. All of the available scouting on this guy has him as a steal for the Bulls
certainly capable as a backup to Noah.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No, trusting an unseen commodity is silly.
If we are a team that is expected to go 2-3 rounds deep in the playoffs, we need a solid veteran.
he's not unseen
only by you
really?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
so you've watched Asik play a game?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 21, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
A game in the NBA?
Anyone want to start a list of foreign bigs who have underwhelmed in the NBA after looking great over seas?
No? Didn’t think so.
Just go to the 1:28 mark and watch what Asik did to Gasol last year
List of hated players: 1. LeBron; 2. Wade; 3. Bosh; 4. Pargo; 5. Pargo... 100. Pargo
The guy moves well for a big man
List of hated players: 1. LeBron; 2. Wade; 3. Bosh; 4. Pargo; 5. Pargo... 100. Pargo
I believe that the Bulls roster is complete at this point regardless of who else we pickup
If anyone left in the free agency draws any type of interest too me at all it is Tracy McGrady..
If he is healthy to play, he is really the only player that I see that adds anything to our current roster, and that dimension that he possesses is his ability to change games.
He is a potential 1, 2, or 3 position offensively and can defend the 2, or 3 in a majority of defensive situations..If he is able to average 12minutes or more to begin the year and eventually play around 18minutes per game come playoff time he is worth atleast a one year deal with all the rest of our cap space…
If I had to I would toss Deisel money to play 15 minutes per game to lay big men out…but I would rather see Tmac in black and red than Shaq…..
Either way, we are good. We could put to mannequins in those places on the bench 75%.
My run down would be
1. mcgrady
2. vets
3. Shaq
4. youth
5. use as little money to fill the spots because all 5 starters average 30+ minutes per game, and the bench has atleast 1player at each spot that could play 30 minutes if needed for a short period of time if a starter goes down….Stay under the cap unless you get a dynamic player, Tmac or (i hate to say this) Shaq.
by Tyler Durden's House on Jul 21, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
trade for parker and sign boone
JJ for Parker works, and Cleveland might do it if they want to get young cheep talent. That opens up a back of the bench hole at the 4/5 so sign Boone. He can play some minutes at Center if Asik sucks. Hopefully you only need him 5 minutes a game, but you could give him 20 and he could at least manage (unlike most other options out there)
Of course this also opens a spot behind Deng/Korver, but you could get away with starting Korver for the inevitable Deng injury for 2 weeks. I think Byars would be good enough in that roll, so sign him as the 12th man… you could also start Brewer at the 3 and Parker at the 2 in this situation.
Lineup:
Rose/Watson
Brewer/Parker/Byars
Deng/Korver/Byars
Boozer/Taj/Boone
Noah/Asik/Boone
Lots of options there… and you’ve protected yourself from an injury at every position (at least as long as it isn’t season ending.)
I’d like a bigger Center, but you’re really hoping that Asik is good and you rarely have to use Boone… yet Boone is a good enough player that you could use him for extended minutes in the event Asik does suck. Most other bigs on the list are just not versatile enough.
So is Rudy not a trade target anymore, at all ?
The Game chose him !
The current need is basically a 3-pt specialist off the bench.
Rudy is off the radar with the addition of Watson.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Well the Blazers are definitely trying to move him:
#Blazers actively pursuing trade for Rudy Fernandez. Team is willing to keep Fernandez, though, and will not give him away for “free.”
But he could end up in the same kind of minutes crunch here as he’s in there.
I'm sure the Bulls can have him at the trade deadline
at a bargain price if they wait, he is kind of overkill atm as a 9-10th guy
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd be our 6th man
No way Rudy sits at the end of the bench. Would cut into Korver and Watson’s minutes, but that’s a good problem to have. Not sure we’d have enough to give up to get him.
I still think the Bulls are better off pulling the trigger at the deadline on Rudy
and in the meantime taking the opportunity to see how all the pieces fit together
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 21, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He has said that he'll go to Europe rather than play with the Blazers though.
So I’m not sure Blazers have any leverage here.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 21, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Steve Novak a free agent? Guy can really shoot lights out.
And happens to be a long 2/3 defender.
Novak a defender?
Really?
I wish him well (he’s a fellow MU alum) but he’s no defender.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
When the other team has the ball he would have to play perimeter defense, I mean. At least his arms are long.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 21, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He's tall too
He’s such a helluva shooter (at least he was in college, I haven’t watched him much in the pro’s and I think is like 6 ft 10, it’s too bad he never could do anything else even remotely well. I mean sure Kapono can just shoot, but he’s at least a college level player in ball handling, passing, defense, etc. Novak is just a pro because he can shoot. He’s probably high school level at everything else….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Realistically
I’d put my money on Lucas III and Sam-Sam getting these spots.
Gimme Josh Howard.
JJ stinks, and we could use some insurance if Luol goes down. I like our SG/SF rotation with Brewer, Howard, Deng, Korver.
Blech.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah but he sucks so much Asik can't be scared :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Today my player to push is Rod Benson. Get 'im Gar.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
hes ben wallace
with half the athleticism and non of the defensive rep/prowess
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
wow
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
i just can't stand watching that guy
like i kept thinking maybe he’s not so bad but really… just terrible.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
That's an insult to Ben Wallace
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
[then again, maybe it's good to insult ben wallace]
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
I'd take a shot on that Samuels guy first
If Richard comes back it means the org LOVES Noah even more than I thought—they played together in FLA. Richard looks good against the D-League, but he’s no pro.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Okay time to add another player to the list
Darius miles, he is a beast in charity games
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/21/darius-milles-itching-for-nba-return/?icid=FanHouse-iphone-url
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by J Theory on Jul 21, 2010 2:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm with Fundamentally Sound on this (surprise!):
Take Almonds or Byars and Summer League big man. (and OHMYGODIJUSTFELLINLOVEWITHRODBENSONINAMANLYWAY!!!)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
I just don't see why you wouldn't go with a younger, cheaper guy with some upside and only marginal chance for downside
when it comes to rounding out those final 3 spots that are unlikely to see minutes anyway. Plus, I think Byars and Almond are legit NBA taelnts and Rod Benson is awesome (for a number of reasons).
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I concur.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This is the strategy (it seems to me) that Utah has used to find some nice players for the end of their
bench. If the Bulls are going to behave like a small market team, then they should learn from the smart ones that have lots of success and steal their strategies.
They pulled a Spurs with the draft and stash of Asik, now they need to pull a Jazz and throw some young D-Leaguers on the end of their bench and hope one works out, rather than overpaying crummy veterans.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could see that
don’t we have James Johnson?
Besides, they can fill out the roster with D-Leaguers in the IR spots too, right?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I just would rather see young guys get a chance to fill out these end of the bench spots than veterans who suck and we know suck.
Maybe that makes me age-ist, but whatever.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think it's more entertaining.
I mean, c’mon! who doesn’t want to be sold hope!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well that's the thing, there IS hope for those guys that they could develop (however small the chance)
we know what old vets are (usually bad) and they only decline from year to year.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The oldest player on the roster currently
is Kyle Korver (3/17/1981) at 29. I’m not sure thats an argument for signing a veteran, but adding a couple of D-leaguers would make this a really young team.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 21, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be awesome.
To win 50 games AND be one of the youngest teams in the NBA?!?! I love it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
OTOH, a few of the d-leaguers mentioned...
…like byars, almond, benson, are “old” in the yearly sense.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
The D-Leaguers ARE the veterans!
Omer Asik 07/04/1986 -- 24
Carlos Boozer 11/20/1981 -- 28
Ronnie Brewer 03/20/1985 -- 25
Luol Deng 04/16/1985 -- 25
Taj Gibson 06/24/1985 -- 25
James Johnson 02/20/1987 -- 23
Kyle Korver 03/17/1981 -- 29
Joakim Noah 02/25/1985 -- 25
Derrick Rose 10/04/1988 -- 21
Rod Benson - 26
Derrick Byars - 26
Morris Almond - 25
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 21, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
just fyi, for the yearly "age", basketball-reference uses the age on feb. 1st of that season
so boozer and rose would be considered a year older
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
We drafted Taj to be a veteran
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 21, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just did a quick guess on minutes and calculation.
The Bulls could have a 50+-win team and a weighted age* 25.4 years.
That would honestly be my dream. Because I’m weird.
*based on minutes
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
You're one odd fellow.
Like a Tampa Bay Rays fan brought up in a Yankees household, or something.
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by Ozzie Montana on Jul 21, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Torn on this
and signing guys like Eddie House who can actually give you a specific skill off the bench. But JJ seems to be our young guy with upside who sits at the end of the bench.
too variable a return
I think Benson has a high chance for downside when it comes to defending NBA big men compared to a vet, for example.
Like you said, it’s unlikely they’ll see minutes. So why not get someone who can help in other ways (as little as locker room things matter, it’s not negligible) and then when they do play the coaches can at least know what to expect.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you have become what you hate:
So why not get someone who can help in other ways (as little as locker room things matter, it’s not negligible) and then when they do play the coaches can at least know what to expect.
Didn’t you rail against the signing of Hunter to be a coach on the bench rather than a viable player? And the idea that you play a guy because you know what you’re getting versus being variable return is what lead to Malik Allen over Tyrus, Taj over Tyrus, and Joe Smith over Tyrus. And you hated that.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hunter was a special case
he literally couldn’t play anymore, at all.
And the steady over variable argument can have different impact when we’re referring to keeping the 2nd overall pick from the starting lineup, and the 10th man being an undrafted FA.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured you'd make those arguments, but to me, it applies to all players. I don't think the difference between
Derrick Byars or Morris Almond getting minutes and Eddie House or R Mason Jr getting those same minutes is significant at all, especially when you consider that those guys might get better, whereas House and RMJ aren’t improving anymore, they are only declining.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
why not throw Thibs a bone
so he can get a guy who he knows will run the play and not a guy he’d even have to consider worrying about developing.
I think it’s not significant either way, so there :)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean in the grand scheme if they sign Eddie House or RMJ, I won't be upset at all. I just think they would
be well served to look at younger guys first.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Usually I'd be all about it: maybe I've become too resigned in our quest for 52 wins
and think dependability out of our 10th man is the best way to get there.
::tear::
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always said I'd be happy when the Bulls were in the conversation and winning 50 games and making it
to the final 8 (ala Mavs or Jazz), but now that it looks like that might be where we are headed, I can’t help but feel disappointed. I need better (read: less depressing) hobbies.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
52, 51, big diff
We’re breaking 50
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
and like I said, they can sign House AND Byars
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
sure and as long as Eddie's not locked up for more than a year or two that's proably the best sitch.
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by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Benson and Noah would keep the locker room fresh!
Boozer, Korver and Brewer come from a winning organization, and Boozer, via his game and salary, has plenty of gravitas to keep things wherever they should be kept. At least in my opinion.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 21, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Benson seems like a great dude to have around for locker room chemistry. He and Noah would get along great.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Even if he does say he stays off the grass.
That video from his last Ball Don’t Lie post was hilarious.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
This one is awesome, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJrNqmRAY_8
He seems like a real, REAL dude. Whatever the hell I mean by that.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Pot is bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_AV7ghU5ZQ
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
If we're looking to just fill out the roster
I’d take a swipe at Mike Gansey. Guy looked great in the Summer League and can really shoot the ball. Poor man’s Kyle Korver maybe.
I’d also love Eddie House as he’s a guy who won’t bitch about minutes. My biggest fear is McGrady or Shaq and having to spend half the season hearing them whine about their minutes and watching Thibs and the organization bow down and give them the minutes. This team has some good depth and a lot of flexibility. Would suck to have a guy that is going to demand X amount of shots/minutes a game.
Too fat, too short, too slow.Shouldn't be an option.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe an option for sarcasm. Maybe. :-D
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If only the Bulls could acquire Xavier Henry and sign Rod Benson, they'd be championship contenders for sure.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 21, 2010 3:08 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
You really believe the Bulls could get Henry don't you
We should find Gar’s phone number so you can call him and tell him what deal to offer for Henry.
umm....
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 21, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Call Gar's office. Tell his secretary you are (Memphis GM)
Make the offer. Hangs up.
Gar will call back up: I’m up to it
GM: up to what?
Gar: the offer you made?
GM: what offer?
Gar: (Player/picks) for Henry
GM: I didn’t made tha…. ok, I’m in. Let’s do it
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 22, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I just figured out part of the psychological problem we're having.
Typically, on really good teams, your starters are your best players, obviously. But then your second stringers are the more veteran types that are sure and certain. Then your 3rd stringers are your young d-league guys.
The Bulls, in all of their wondrous glory (really, I’m excited about it) have their second stringers as under-30’s, and in the cases of Asik, Gibson and Watson, they are largely unproven. Watson hasn’t played outside of Golden State. Gibson might have had a rookie fluke. Asik has never played in America. So obviously people want the more certain players to be 3rd stringers. I now think it probably has less to do with actual basketball usefulness as it does with psychological comfort.
People like names they’ve heard of, even if there’s no empirical reason to believe they’ll offer more production than a lesser-known player. (in the popular sense, not the statistical sense)
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
God, that was pointless.
Isn’t it all, though?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Of course that's true
It was pointed out by YaoPau about superstars…a guy like Camby is often underrated when compared to a guy like Melo, because Melo has the name and reputation.
That's not what I was trying to say, though.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Perhaps
but in this particular case I think it has more to do with the fact that nobody actually believes we could get Henry
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
This actually has nothing to do with Henry.
My rec’d comment was solely in making fun of myself in my zealousness for certain players.
Sooo….
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Well, I know that
but in the part that I responded to, I thought you were trying to explain why you think people prefer “name” players as opposed to young, good, but less known players. And I thought you were using this Henry thing as an example. If I was way off, my bad
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
i think he was saying
that fans often want their second string guys to be names they know and the third string guys to be guys they dont know, they want the comfort of knowing that when the starters arent playing, guys they know about are playing. For the bulls however, its been reversed, our second string guys at the moment are all unknown guys, guys like cj watson, omer asik, hell even james johnson has no real reputation at the moment…and now that the bulls are finishing up touches on their roster, people are clamoring for name guys, especially as a big, even though really the bulls rotation as far as big men is really set. A rotation of boozer, taj, noah, and asik…all four which are interchangeable at both 4-5 is probably one of the best rotations in terms of bigs, but people wanna throw a name like kurt thomas or shaq in the mix, cuz they know that player, disgregarding how set our rotation is already.
Tyger is saying that its not that our roster is lacking, as much as we feel its lacking because we dont have any big known names on our roster. To a casual fan Kyle Korver is a 3rd stringer, Ronnie Brewer a second stringer, both are guys they have heard of but thats about it.
What i believe tyger is saying is that fans believe our roster is lacking in depth because the lack of names, and even though what we need now is just good fill ups on our roster, people are clamoring for more expensive names just because the lack of names is psychologically creating a void to us in this roster.
Most of us agreeing that our pickups were good, but then wanting names that arent as good as what we recieved,, but potentially we would want them to get more playing time over the good players…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Yea, I think I pretty much got the gist of it the first time
The thing that threw me off was that he posted it as a response to his own joke about Henry. Therefore I thought the post in question was regarding that topic. Had he made that post on it’s own, I wouldn’t have responded the way I did
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Players are all we have to be zealous about.
It’s a player’s league, and by that I mean a small number of players league. Most of the guys that are available, at any given time, are actually not that good, and the difference between really good players and not good players is HUGE in the NBA.
So if you find a guy that you feel really good about as a player and who you might feasibly get, it makes sense to like those guys.
For instance, I’ll confess that I’ve wanted Ronnie Brewer as a Bull since 2006. Aside from his non-functional arm, the guy is a super basketball player and I was super pissed the Bulls passed on him.
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I don't often agree with you...
But I,too, have wanted Ronnie Brewer since he was available in the draft…and I am very happy he is now on the team…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I should give credit to the Bulls, by the way, for picking "my guys" a fair amount of the time
They took Deng and Noah, and they were “my guys” that I thought were the right guy to take for their picks. And Rose, although he’s pretty much a no-brainer. So their current team has 4 guys that I wanted them to draft.
Going back, I wanted Ty Lawson and Chase Buddinger last year, and Iggy instead of Gordon.
I didn’t have a strong enough opinion on Aldridge vs. Tyrus to feel Aldridge was a definitive choice, but I think he was the more obvious, more safe choice. I think my team would have come out looking pretty darn good.
1- Rose, Lawson
2- Iggy, Brewer
3- Deng, Buddinger
4- Aldridge
5- Noah
Of course, if we actually had all those guys, we wouldn’t have the same draft positions, but its nice to think about
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SF?
I’m just wondering why everybody is harping on the C and SG positions when the SF position is pretty poor behind Deng. Reason? Here’s what I see right now…
C
Noah — He’s a starter for at least 25 NBA teams currently. Not getting rid of this guy, and he’ll probably earn himself second tier pay after this season (i.e. 5+ mil/season)
Asik — A question mark, but if he can just eat 10-15 minutes a game on average and not be a sieve on defense, I’m happy.
SG
Brewer — Basically Kirk without the PG experience. As long as he plays some D, I’m happy. If he can eat about 20 minutes a game, score 5-10, and not be a sieve on defense, I’m good.
Korver — If he can shoot the way he’s been advertised to shoot, he’ll just have to eat 20-25 a game. I’m seeing 7-13 on probably 50% shooting, 35% 3point, and I’m happy.
Watson — He’s a combo guard, can play either SG or PG. I’m good if he can eat 10-15 PG, 5 SG, not be a sieve, and score in the 7-13 range OR nab 2-5 dishes.
SF:
Deng — A decent enough talent, just gotta keep him from being injured.
Who do we have at SF behind Sweet Lu? JJ? IMO, not ready yet, and it looks like they’re grooming him for SG. Are we going to be a 3 Guard team? I seriously doubt it, Thibs looks like a much more traditional coach than VDN.
What’s available at SF currently? Doesn’t look like too much…
That still leaves us with...
only 1.5 dedicated 3 players, with probably 2 dedicated 2 players (.5 Korv, .5 Wat). And I see Thibs playing Korver more at 2 than at 3 given his shooting ability. Also, they’re playing JJ more at 2 than at 3 thus far (though I think he’d fit better at 3, but not my call).
So, my opinion on whether a 2 or 3 is necessary for this team basically depends on where they decide to place JJ.
BTW, isn’t it nice that the Bulls finally don’t have to worry about the 4 position? I can’t even REMEMBER the last time they had that kind of depth down low. Must’ve been Worm era, and the guy was clearly on the downside of his career at that point…
Brewer can also swing to the 3 pretty easily for spot minutes. Plus, JJ is around for a couple minutes if you need him.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 21, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
how the hell does your math system work?
let’s see, Deng is a small forward, that’s 1.
Korver is a swing man but primarily a small forward, that’s 2.
James Johnson is a small forward, that’s 3.
hm. Let’s see the two spot, let’s look at SGs.
Brewer will be getting most his minutes at SG, that’s 1.
Korver will get a few but not many at SG, I’d call that 1.5.
Watson, I’d call like, only a PG, but, you yourself considered him a swing man of PG/SG abilities. So that’s 2.
so how is that 1.5 dedicated 3 players and 2 dedicated 2 players?
I don’t think JJ’s usage as a SG in the d-league really means much. He was a PF in college, he was a SF for us (basically) last year, I don’t think they’ll be using a chunky 6’9 as a SG anytime soon. And even at that… if he could be called “.5” SG, couldn’t he still be called “.5” SF or .3 all around for SG, SF, and PG as worst-case scenario?
I just don’t see how we need much more – if any – depth at SF. I don’t know enough about Watson, but i was under the impression he was a pure PG more than a PG/SG. Seems to me we have a solid #2 at each position… why not just try to get what good young players we can or what good veterans that can be underpaid at this point, rather than freak out because somehow a starting SF, our backup SF from last year (albeit a crappy one), and a new 3 point shooter signed to play SF adds up to only “1.5” small forwards?
How is it Boozer + Taj is enough Power Forward depth, but Deng + Korver + JJ isn’t enough Small Forward depth?
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I think the idea is to get a 2/3 instead of a "pure" 2.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
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GO TO THE HEAT, YA BUM!!!
Only TMac could destroy that team. I HOPE the Heat sign his bum ass just so that the Bulls can’t.
TheReal_TMAC
i would have been a bull on draft day in ’97….krause was moving up to get me but bulls would have to part with pipp…mj killed deal….
by krypto22 on Jul 21, 2010 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I actually had heard that one before.
Supposedly, Krause called Jordan and said if he’d be okay with it he should call back by X time. Jordan never called back.
Probably a lot more to it than that, if it’s true at all.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 21, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess an hour after the deadline
Jordan called Jerry back and Jerry said it was too late for him to change his mind…..
-Ben Gordon reference-
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Bulls would never cede power to a player
so this is clearly bullshit.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 21, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
I am actually concerned
about TMac. Always had a soft spot for him on Orlando and early in the Houston days. Not that I want the Bulls to even look at him, of course, but it kinda seems like he is descending into delusion and despair.
He did try to make the Bulls jealous
by working out with the Clippers.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Well, maybe one who had won four titles for the organization by that point ...
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 21, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Check that. Five titles.
"Smith stripped. Smith stopped! Smith stopped again by Pippen!"
by ColonelFatheart on Jul 21, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
MJ was also on one year contracts at that point if I remember it right
So he could have just threatened to not sign if they traded Pippen for a high schooler. It was the right move, MJ wanted a championship that year and Krause was looking towards the future.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
maybe they just didn't think it was worth it
pippen>tmac in my opinion
In anyone's opinion
But they knew Pipp would bolt in 1 yr….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Wow, I didn't even know T Mac tweets
To be honest I really don’t care what they do with these last couple spots. T Mac is cool with me, I guess. As much as I’m looking forward to the season, we don’t have much of a chance to win a title anyways. At least he adds a bit more spice to the year. Plus, you can pretty much mark Luol down for missing 30 games, so he’ll probably come in handy
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
*warms up top tmac idea*
ehh..nah
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
when is tmac okay to go after
8 million is probably what he thinks he is at LEAST worth
5-6 million is probably a more realistic number, though for the bulls its overpaying
3-4 might be a budget buy, and within the bulls ability to sign him at
Id say anything less than 3 million for tmac is a steal
thoughts?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Well, we only have around $5 mil left in cap space
and he can’t get all of it if we want to sign a halfway decent backup for Noah. So, assuming he knows this, he still sounds as if he wants to play here, so I doubt money is the issue right now. It probably has more to do with the bulls being hesitant to bring him in. Besides, who is giving T Mac more than 3-4 mil this year? I don’t see it.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 21, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I would love to go after TMac but the team needs to land a backup center first.
Also, any deal would be pending on a physical. His body has logged a ton of minutes so we would have to keep him fresh.
I am in the belief that TMac could run the point with the second unit and allow Watson to be a scorer. He could be very valuable filling in the SG and SF spots as a wing scorer. He would probably be a decent spot up shooter if given a chance to be a #3 option on the floor. He spent his entire career going one on one late in the shot clock with hands in his face.
This is aside but does anyone know how good of a friendship TMac and Deng have?
Stay Away from T-Mac:
He is nothing but memories.
>>Shoots a low percentage.
>>Needs the ball to be effective.
>>Doesn’t play defense.
>>Terrible injury history.
>>Has an inflated opinion of his declining skills.
>>He almost surely wants more money than he is actually worth.
>>He almost surely wants more attention/respect than he actually deserves.
Let me know if I'm being a homer here
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by chibullsareback on Jul 21, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions
Is Joey Dorsey's contract guarenteed with Toronto?
He could be a good 5th/6th big man on the roster. He’s older than Taj Gibson, too, if that matters.
I like Samuels.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
He's a Cav now....too late
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
F you, McGrady!
You declined the Bulls’ fans in 2000 when we needed you, and now we’re going to decline you in 2010, when you need a job.
How does that taste?
We should send Benny the Bull
to tell him his services won’t be needed.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
by runningman on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Probably means no signings till then as well
daldridgetnt
Source: McGrady to work out for Bullls next Monday. Story up soon on NBA.com.
Get DJ Mbenga
let the 2 black belters fight ufc style
Signing McGrady
would go against everything this team did all offseason. They signed good character guys at mostly a young age that would feed off Derrick. This would be a me-first player who whines about minutes that would only hurt Derrick.
If Derrick is that soft-headed, we've got bigger problems to worry about
He’s at a point in his career, and TMac is at a point in his career, that Derrick should be perfectly willing and able to tell him to STFU.
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Boozer has some character issues
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
Not really.
He’s a pretty chill guy in and out of the court. He isn’t crazy and he’s a team player. Coachable and doesn’t have that negative star mentality you see with guys like Marbury. He’s willing to share the spotlight. If you’re talking about the issues he had with the Cavs well it’s the Cavs fault for not willing to pay the luxury tax. The criticism he got for voicing out that he was planning to opt out when he was playing for the Jazz was another thing. He was telling everyone his plans. He was being upfront with everyone. That’s way better than having everybody second guess what you want COUGH LeBron Wade Bosh COUGH…
So does Rose, who gives a shit.
DANIEL HUDSON SUCKS. HOWS THAT GUN BAN WORKING FOR YOU MAYOR DALLY
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 22, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Boozer has some character issues
Oz on Swish HR celeb: "That's the way he is. Good for him, enjoy it. I wish he could do it for me, he was a very horseshit player for me.''
You cant be serious?
The bulls problem in the past is that they sign average players who are supposedly “winners” and have good “character.” That really means little. Paxson drafts deng and hinrich, and fails to keep jr smith, gordon, crawford, thomas, etc bc they have “bad” character. Ron artest has “bad” character and he won a championship this year. Rodman had “bad” character and he won 3 championships. Character mattes a little, but the bulls need players, they need less slow, mid-range and hard-workers, but athletic shooters. Mcgrady is worth the gamble at 3million over 2 yrs. he can give you an option off the bench or if he is healthy he is better than anything the bulls have at 2. It would be great if the bulls kept either JR Smith (which would be perfect for the bulls) or Gordon who would be great with this team, but they are “bad character” guys, maybe true, but they sure can shoot.
The gamble: go for TMac and Sean Williams
The safe play: House and Boone
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 22, 2010 12:29 AM CDT reply actions
Signed our big- Kurt Thomas
Bulls just signed Kurt Thomas on a 2 year deal.
Don’t like that it is 2 years (38 years old), hope it is for chump change.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/07/bulls-agree-to-two-year-deal-with-kurt-thomas.html
Hopefully he'll never play
As Asik proves to be competent, and it won’t matter.
Theo Ratliff and Matt Barnes signed with the Lakers.
Will Shannon Brown be looking for a new team now that Barnes is on the Lakers?
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