McGrady: But sources say that news of the workout being made public was also intended to let the Bulls know that McGrady does have other options, since Chicago is where those close to McGrady say he’d love to land.
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I still say
Take a chance on TMac. I know he hasn’t done anything over the past several seasons, but he is still only 31. The injuries suck, but he won’t be asked to start or even play much more than 10 – 15 minutes. If he plays well and earns more time, great! If he is only halfway decent, great. We are talking about a guy that has put up huge numbers throughout his career. I still say he’s worth a shot.
by DRose01 on Jul 20, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
So he's trying to leverage interest from the Bulls that doesn't exist?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 20, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
Unfortunately, I think there might be SOME interest on the Bulls end. I just hope they don't sign him. He's done.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think there is interest from the Bulls
they don’t really want to take a chance with rotation players, so why do so with guys you hope just sit on the bench and don’t rock the boat?
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 20, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
And what are you basing that on?
A limited sample size in which he was coming off a major injury?
Pat Riley is the devil.
Five years is a long sample size to say he keeps getting injured.
And if injury leads to poor performance….
He’s been getting injured and getting worse every year for the past four years. I think you’re just looking for an argument.
Any projection would likely put him at about 50 games played and an 11 PER. That might not be done, but it’s pretty close.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Tmac
as the New Benny the Bull?
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Waaay too injury prone.
He wouldn’t last past the first cartwheel.
specially now that people are beating him on the street
by JustAnotherFan on Jul 20, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
times like these i wish i was a Photoshop guru
that i can stick tmac’s face on this
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If he wants to come here
And understands there won’t be that much time for him on the court, I don’t see why not.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If he still wants to sign with the current roster, go for it
If he really does come back to a productive level, the Bulls can ship him or someone else for a future draft pick.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
I'm not totally opposed to it, I just don't see where he fits
A guy like that is gonna want guaranteed minutes, which is something I doubt he’d get here. To be honest, I’m surprised he even wants to come here.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe it's because he doesn't want those guaranteed big chunks of minutes anymore.
Maybe he’s ready to embrace being a role player with 15-20 mins a night. It would ostenisbly extend his career.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 20, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where's he even gonna get 15-20 minutes though?
I don’t want to chart out all the player’s minutes, but Rose is obviously playing at least 35 minutes a game. Which means Watson will play at least 5-10 per game as a backup SG in addition to backing up Rose. Brewer is starting at SG and should get at least 30 mpg. Korver plays the two and the three also, and he’ll need to play both spots regularly for him to have value.
The problem is, once you get all these guys that need to play, and your rotations get a bit too big, it hurts the flow of the team. A good team has a consistent rotation of 8-9 guys. We’re basically there already depending on what the org does with the backup center spot. Part of me likes this deal because I just know that Luol is gonna get hurt again, and T Mac would be an awesome insurance policy. Just don’t think he wants to be an insurance policy.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Another thing
This team has some really good vibes going right now. All the new guys seem really excited to be here. Watson is going berserk in Twitter land, Brewer seems jacked and Korver looks like he just caught a gnarly wave. Why mess with a good thing? T Mac throws a wrench into all of this. He’ll be the number one story going into the season. All the local radio and newspapers will make it about him. We just don’t need all of that for a guy that probably has very little left in the tank.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not really saying they should sign him
…but you’re making quite a bit of assumptions there too. He obviously sees the team constructed as we do, but he STILL wants to come here? That doesn’t show me someone who is going to “rock the boat” and throw a “wrench into all of this”. That shows me someone who just wants to fit in.
If he wanted to be “the man”, don’t you think he could go to the Clips or the Nets in a heartbeat? They still have money. Why not make overtures to them? Why the Bulls? He obviously knows he doesn’t have a lot in the tank, and maybe he wants to fit in and have the best chance to win at the same time.
I think you went a little overboard with the whole “good vibes” thing there. Not that they don’t exist, but I don’t think they’re THAT strongly entrenched right now either.
Honestly, I’d rather have a T-Mac than a Roger Mason Jr…that’s just me.
by NormVanBeer on Jul 20, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you went a little overboard with the whole "good vibes" thing there.
I thought my Kyle Korver “gnarly waves” comment showed that I was being a little facetious, guess not. Nonetheless, the team does have a nice little thing going, I don’t think you can dispute that. All the roles are clearly defined, and they look ready to make a step up in the east. The way things currently stand, the question becomes: does T Mac even improve the team?
I kinda doubt it. Like I said, he’d be nice depth, particularly because Luol can fall apart at any moment. And if he came in with a great attitude, like you alluded to, I really wouldn’t have much of a complaint. I just question whether he is truly ready to take that kind of role.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and I never said I wanted Roger Mason over McGrady
Not sure where you got that from. I said, if the Bulls thought he could be good this year, they should have scrapped the Brewer signing, and picked up T Mac and Mason. It’s obvious that Brewer is expecting to play big minutes. And while it sounds good to say “They can compete, let the best man win”, unfortunately sports rarely work out that way
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
oh I know
I just threw in the Roger Mason Jr thing as my own comparison…thus the “that’s just me” comment at the end. I said that because those seem to be a couple of the names floating around as of late, and if I HAD to pick strictly between those two, I’d go with McGrady.
not that I'm being argumentative
but why CAN’T I argue the “good vibes” thing? Even though I’m sure you’re probably 99% right, we sitll haven’t seen any of these guys interact with each other (meaning the new guys with the old guys). How do we know what type of vibes are going around in the locker room or behind closed doors?
To me, it’s more so US getting good vibes from the Bulls actually going out and signing players. That’s where the good vibes are coming from.
Sure, I’m certain you will be proven right…but at this point today, you can’t justifiably say that Boozer will have more “good vibes” than McGrady. Maybe T-Mac gets on the team and everyone LOVES him? Who knows. It’s really a toss up as to how everyone will interact right now.
THERE'S GOOD VIBES GODDAMMIT! I CAN FEEL THEM!!!
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha yeah there does seem to be something there. I think part of it is there not being a player that kind of shines over the team. And the way D Rose usually hangs back and lets other players do things by themselves.
It reminds me a little bit of Ariza a little bit…even though he won a ring he wanted to go to a new place and establish himself as an impact player not just be the guy next to Kobe.
I would still like T-Mac on board…I think hes been through a lot. I just never pegged him as a disruptive personality that much before and hes even more mellow now I think.
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Good points all.
Still, I wouldn’t mind taking a shot, especially if there are no other shooters to pick up. As long as Roger Mason is still out there, that doesn’t wash, though.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 20, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
When I read this I was thinking the same thing.
I wouldn’t mind if the Bulls signed him but where would he fit? We still need a big man. I guess if you split the minutes at SG between Tmac and Brewer it might work. Tmac finishing out the games but I would be concerned about chemistry with the team. As along as Tmac knows he’s not the go to option anymore.
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Ya know, the more I think about it, the more I dislike this idea
Where is he gonna get his minutes at? And unlike some players, if he’s not getting the minutes, it’s gonna be a problem. If the Bulls really thought he could still play, what they should have done is sign someone like Roger Mason, instead of Brewer, then get T Mac. With Brewer coming here basically because we’re giving him the starting gig, I just don’t see how T Mac fits. Him coming here would basically make one of Korver or Brewer a non factor
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He probably wanted to come here before the two most recent signings of Brewer and Watson...
…and leak just now hit the media.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
how about Kapono?
Don’t we have a trade exception from the Warrick deal?
We have Korver
Who’s all around better than Kapono as is…..why Kapono?
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extra shooter
I think his game would be a little redundant for the $ with Korver already on board. His contract is expiring – 1 year 6.6 expiring deal. I still think Bogans makes more sense from how the team is currently built.
We had to give up our trade exceptions to use our cap space.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Eff it. Why not?
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 20, 2010 1:26 PM CDT reply actions
Still, I'd rather get another spot up shooter.
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by ColonelFatheart on Jul 20, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure what the point of us signing him is...
But I have to say I met him last yr when he had surgery and rehabbed in Chicago… really, really nice guy. And he LOVES Chicago. I guess he trains and lives here in the off-season. Not sure why he didn’t sign here back at the beginning of the decade, but who cares now I guess!
by smash! on Jul 20, 2010 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Tmac fits the Org
T-mac is an older “character” guy that can be brought in for scoring. Character: see his documentary 3 points.
Scoring: He still can hit shots. Really all he needs to do is be more mobile and play within the system
I imagine the Bulls push the Humanitarian foundation that Tmac has as part of their marketing. It helps to have a Sudanese guy on the team. It will seem like they are giving an old vet a chance. That way they can back out of it if it doesn’t work out.
Really Tmac won’t be needed for clutch shots. He won’t be needed for alot of defense. He will be used for scoring and bench presence. BTW he would be a great mentor for JJ.
by JJCMHS23 on Jul 20, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think he's a 'character' guy at all
he’s sullen and ballhogs.
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 20, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't a ball hog in NYC
He shot poorly about 44% TS% and was more concerned about get injured than actually competing all those minutes he got on the Knicks. He has the opportunity to be a catch and shoot type of forward if he works on being mobile. That’s really all we need. It’s not like his shooting % dropped off a cliff last year.
If there's a guarantee he won't be a petulant asshole, then it's a smart move.
Too bad he can’t realize it’s not 2003 anymore and no one respects his game. He could have a solid Ron Harper end to his career.
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Who said he can't realize that?
He seems to be working hard, and said he wanted to play for a winner. It’s not like he’s pulling a Shaq demanding minutes and a contract bigger than the MLE.
I don’t think there’s much of a spot for him here after getting Watson, but he seems to realize he isn’t what he once was.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think that is what he was seeking here...
as the fifth best starter on the Bulls…however they correctly identified Ronnie Brewer as the better basketball player at this stage in his career.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
Thats what alot of
theses former superstars T-Mac, Shaq, and Iverson need to understand, get this memo you’re not 26 anymore, realize you can still make an impact coming of the bench for 15 minutes a night, your body can’t handle 30mpg anymore, TMac/Iverson take the 15mpg and be that bench scorer, Shaq take the 15mpg, be that enforcer defensive lane clogger, rebounder, let the egos and false hopes of being the man go, you’ll be better for it and have a team to play for.
yep.
But Im not totally opposed to signing TMac under the right circumstances
( eg: right money and his role his CLEARLY defined before signing )
Only thing with McCants is, he is still young, If he plays well he’ll want more minutes. TMac getting older and is probably more likley to accept his role.
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right money, clearly defined role,
AND the most picky physical ever
I think TMac can be useful off the bench
With the way our current roster is set up, he could come in and be like a big point guard, and Watson run the SG on offense. He might not have the explosiveness anymore, but TMac has always been a good passer(not always a willing passer) and can handle the rock. And he can still hit the J pretty well
Isn't TMac's self-shopping and trying to leverage his way into a comfy situation evidence that he's not going to fit very well?
I agree that in theory, if he were to come in here and play like a homeless man fighting for a sandwich for 15 minutes a night, he’d be a great fit.
However, everything I see from him makes me think he’s not gonna do that.
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