Can we swing two more bargain deals?

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 12:05 AM CDT

I'm loving the fact, that we're not only getting quality players, but we're getting them a bargain prices. The additions of Booz, Korver, Brewer, and Watson make us a very balanced team. And a definite threat to those sissies on South Beach. We still need a backup at SG and big man. Think we can get be lucky enough to keep this trend going? I hope so.

The only SG's out there I would touch are Mason and TMac. Neither at this point is very good, and they definitely have little to no upside. As constructed right now we have quality back ups at every spot except SG. I think Asik can do the job as backup C, but I still say we need some experience backing him up just in case. Kwame Brown and Kurt Thomas seem like the best fits in the free agent market. I would probably go with Kwame at this point, he's the perfect guy to throw at Howard and Bynum.

As for the backup SG spot, I think our best bet is to get involved in the potential Cleveland-Minnesota deal. Sessions is the target for this trade.

Also on the final day of the NBA Summer League, sources confirmed a Cleveland Plain Dealer report that Minnesota is shopping guard Ramon Sessions (due $3.96 million next season) and forward Kosta Koufos (due $1.3 million), and the Cavaliers have interest in both. Sources said a deal with Cleveland could result in guard Delonte West going to the Timberwolves and then being waived since West's $4.6 million contract has only $500,000 of it guaranteed if he's waived by August 5.

The Cavaliers have a $14.5 million trade exception acquired in the LeBron James deal with Miami to facilitate possible trades.

Sources also named Cleveland as among the teams interested in free-agent guard Flip Murray. Murray is also said to be receiving interest from the Clippers and Chicago, which he played for last season.

Cleveland has been trying to get a SF to fill that GIANT Lebron void and have been very unsuccessful in their pursuits. Minnesota as always is tryin to get rid of as much salary as possible and have a glut of SG/SF types. This is where we come in. And I hope u noticed the blurb about Flip at the end.

This is my mad scientist deal (yes yet another lol):

Cavs Get -- S&T SG Flip Murray, SF James Johnson, PG Ramon Sessions, and C Kosta Koufos

TWolves Get -- SG Delonte West, future 1st round pick from Chicago

Bulls Get -- SG/SF Corey Brewer, 2nd round pick from Cleveland

Then sign Kwame Brown and our roster is set. We would have a helluva of a defensive combo at SG with Brewer & Brewer. Plus, Corey can actually shoot a lil and is still improving. With the addition of CJ Watson, I don't really think we NEED to have that backup SG be a shooting specialist, I'd rather go for another athlete.

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Boozer was a great signing, the rest is, meh?

can you say soft and mediocre?

Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!

by StinkyFingers on Jul 20, 2010 12:35 AM CDT reply actions

hehehe

You really shouldnt talk my friend.
You guys haven’t even MADE in the playoffs for 4 years, and the time before that Chris Mullin was leading the way. go home.

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by mrdope on Jul 20, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions

Brewer isn't soft

by kozzer on Jul 20, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I wouldn't give up a future 1st round pick for Corey Brewer.

by Basketball Smurf on Jul 20, 2010 1:28 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

Y not?

I figure our 1st round picks for the next couple of years will be in the high 20’s. I wouldn’t give up that Charlotte pick, that will be kept for when it’s a top 10 pick.
But giving a pick that will be in the 20-30 range for Brewer would be a steal. He’s easily better than any rookie that may come in next year.
Look at the guys who went 20-30 this year. None of those guys would be better than Corey Brewer right now.
And next year’s class looks even worse.

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions

You never know what can happen

Danny Granger was what a # 17 pick
Boozer was a #32 pick
Arenas was for a time a very valuable #31 pick
Josh Howard was an all star #30
David Lee was #30, etc, etc, etc. and that’s just relatively recent history and I’m likely missing a few (Al Jefferson was like a #18 pick, Josh Smith was a #18 or so too)

I would trade a first for a decent prospect, but I don’t see what Corey gives us that Ronnie doesn’t do better.

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Jul 20, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions

Corey Brewer can shoot wayyy better than Brewer

Corey is a career 33% from deep while Ronnie is 23%. Plus Corey showed signs of having a pretty deadly three point shot last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s over 40% this year (like he was two years ago).

I’m not sure T Wolves give him up for Delonte West and a high twenties draft pick. Unless they’re just dying to get rid of Sessions contract…

by Diz on Jul 20, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions

Still not worth risking a first round pick....

Ronnie overall > Corey esp if Ronnie gets his 2 yrs ago form back (presuming last year was a bad start, then he missed time post trade).

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Jul 20, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions

Come on Man...

U acting like if we saw someone we REALLY liked, we couldn’t just buy a pick. And in all honesty, I’d much rather have an early 2nd round pick, than a late 1st round pick. No pay scale for the 2nd rounder. And the 2 best guys u named above (Boozer and Arenas) were both early 2nd round picks, along with Micheal Redd, Big Baby Davis, and Dejuan Blair.

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions

Good for you

I’d rather have the chance to draft a later talent early, and Gar/Pax have a good track record on draft day (with the possible exception of James Johnson, though who exactly knows yet, doesn’t look good). The rest have looked like at worst servicable rotation players on playoff teams, and best good role players.

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Jul 20, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

So...

If the rest have looked like at best good role players, why not use one on a good role player in Corey Brewer?

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions

BC

I think we can do better and don’t see Corey Brewer as nearly as good as the one’s we alreayd have.

Plus there’s a chance as I mentioned that we can get an all star (J Howard, Granger, Jameer Nelson, Boozer, Arenas, or those in ability—Josh Smith and Al Jefferson, etc etc etc.

Corey Brewer has a poor D rating, poor PER and well just isn’t very good. He’d be the worst of the new guys (barring Asik who we don’t yet know). He would be better than JJ today, but perhaps not tomorrow.

There’s better deals out there than to give up a first for a 8th man on a solid playoff team….

2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....

by majoyenrac on Jul 20, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions

I think you're overestimating the average value of late 1st round picks.

Of course you can always point to guys like Arenas and Boozer, but in general, there’s a reason that these guys don’t get picked until the end of the first round: they’re usually just not very good.

That said I’m still not sure I’d do this trade, but any GM in their right mind would certainly consider this deal, seeing as how they get a player that still plays good defense, but also adds a legit 3 point shot.

by Diz on Jul 20, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Corey Brewer isn't a great defensive player nor is he an especially good 3pt shooter

his career average is 33% and this is the first year he shot more than 1 a game.

by Basketball Smurf on Jul 20, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorry to be a noob

but i dont understand the charlotte pick that we traded for. Can we just take charlottes pick from whatever draft we feel like?

by Staleystan595455 on Jul 20, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Sorry dude but KWAME BROWN???!?!?!?!?!?!?

jumps of cliff

by rick_ross on Jul 20, 2010 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

not really as bad as it sounds.

hes a big body and 6 fouls.he can grab a few boards and score us a few points for the 5 mins hes on. i say why not for 3rd option.

'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.

by mrdope on Jul 20, 2010 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions

We need a Back up Centre not Trash

by rick_ross on Jul 20, 2010 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions

Kwame

is better than Chris Richard. With ease.

"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.

by Cosmis on Jul 20, 2010 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions

So is Samardo Samuels

So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT

by runningman on Jul 20, 2010 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions

But he's not 7 foot

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions

This guy hasnt really proven anything sinse being drafted

Tyrus thomas looks like Tim Duncan next to this guy ….

by rick_ross on Jul 21, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Good point

Kwame body could actually help against Dwight or Bynum. Kwame has gotten paid already, so maybe he would come cheap

by Jesse07 on Jul 20, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions

But w/

Kwame you’re playing 4-on-5 basketball, this guy’s hand are worse than Dickie Simpkins and Tyson Chandlers, Kwame can’t catch worth shit.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Please don't pass that

guy the ball.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Dude has baby hands.

like.. awkwardly small hands?

by jf111847 on Jul 20, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions

kwame brown

i with you jesse07 kwame brown would flourish under coach thib.defensive style as a 3rd, plus he would help against a bynum and howard….big bulk and 7 feet…thats all bynum is. plus he would help boozer and noah… noah’s length is good but his build isnt…..boozer’s build is good but his length isnt…. brown would get to bang while the others roam that’s what made ben wallace so good in on the piston….look at that way.

by Rayne219 on Jul 22, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions

When ur talkin about a 3rd Center

All he needs to do is come in and play decent D and rebound, he doesn’t even need to score, other the garbage points he might pick up off a putback or running the floor. This is basically what he brings to the table:

Kwame Brown is Kwame Brown, but he would provide the Celtics with some of what they need from a backup center. Brown is a tremendous athlete who plays good defense, especially in one-on-one post-up situations. — Link

Now if u want that veteran presence down low u go for Kurt Thomas, but if u want someone who can bang and effectively guard the Dwight Howards, Andrew Bynums, and Andrew Boguts of the world if Noah gets in foul trouble and Asik doesn’t pan out, u take Brown.

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions

Yeh I agree with this.

If they expect to be in a dog fight with the above mentioned teams you need more than Thomas can give you, If you want to bring some one in to help mentor younger player you bring in Thomas, I like both options tbh.

People hear Kwame Brown and think BUUUUUST!, but were not picking him #1 overall, hes not our starting center and we not going to build around him for shits sake.
He just comes on knocks Dwight around for a while, commits a few pro fouls, maybe grabs an offensive board or two and hits the pine.

'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.

by mrdope on Jul 20, 2010 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions

Brewer & Brewer, sounds annoying.

Swirsky:

Brewer with steal, Brewer passes to Brewer, Brewer spots Brewer for the give and go…. Brewer with the transition slam! Man I tell you, that Brewer really has improved since hes been running the floor with Brewer, Bulls win, For that pass, I think its time for Brewer to have a brew with the newer Brewer of the two…..I quit

'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.

by mrdope on Jul 20, 2010 1:43 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs

Please don't use blockquotes for this

by DRose01 on Jul 20, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions

eh?

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 20, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions

wait till Neil Funk

Brewer passes to Brewer, rather Brewer, who swings the ball up to to Pargo, rather Derrick Rose, who fires from 3…kaboom. The Bulls are up 12-9 over the Knicks and I really think they’re about to quit, Stacy. Gallinari fucking sucks.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 20, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs

that had me rollin

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by Belize on Jul 20, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Ahahah

great

by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 23, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions

A year ago

I would have punched my face in the face for even thinking this, but I think our best bet is to go with T-Mac and Kwame Brown.

"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.

by Cosmis on Jul 20, 2010 3:16 AM CDT reply actions

hehehehe

i just threw up in my mouth a little, but you could have somthing there LOL
Both could play a role for sure Id say.

'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.

by mrdope on Jul 20, 2010 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions

for the first time ever, a trade has been proposed on Blogabull where the Bulls give up too much.

by Uncle Stanley McGoober on Jul 20, 2010 5:28 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs

I'm warming up to the idea

of Kwame Brown. This team needs a goon who can come into games and punish people physically, especially in the playoffs. He’s certainly capable of that.

by NerdVernacular on Jul 20, 2010 6:33 AM CDT reply actions

a 1st for Corey Brewer?

i’m out

by JustAnotherFan on Jul 20, 2010 7:50 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs

Agreed!

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 20, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Rec'd

for not posting the Seinfeld picture with this.

So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT

by runningman on Jul 20, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

Brown or Thomas

Probaly better than Asik. As for SG we should be aiming for a rudy fernandez trade.

Aussie Bulls Fan

by haypete on Jul 20, 2010 8:00 AM CDT reply actions

Haven't seen Asik play, but

he is probably better the Kwame Brown.

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 20, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions

yeh

The Kwame idea is as 3RD option after Asik.

'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.

by mrdope on Jul 20, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions

center comparison

Here is a comparison of Brown, Thomas, Anthony and Boone. All four of which are possibilities as a backup center, and have been mentioned by people here. I agree that Brown is the best choice because he has started and can play heavy minutes in case Asik sucks. But if management really believes Asik is ready, then I say get Boone. The more I look at the comparison, the more I like signing Boone +50% shooter, decent rebounder, he can block a shot or two…

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=brownkw01&y1=2010&p2=thomaku01&y2=2010&p3=boonejo01&y3=2010&p4=anthojo01&y4=2010

by 72-10 on Jul 20, 2010 8:12 AM CDT reply actions

Xavier Henry!!!

Johnson’s expiring deal and a future first!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:45 AM CDT reply actions

I would love to do that

Save the kid from the hell that is playing for the Grizzlies.

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions

This just in...

Tyger really wants Xavier Henry in a Bulls uniform. This report has been confirmed by reading this exact post in several different threads. Sources seem to believe that Tyger is of the opinion (like many Bulls fans) that if he says something enough times and wants it really, really bad, that Garpax will magically make it happen.

by DRose01 on Jul 20, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

He robbed me of my idea LOL

All last week, he was pimping Calderon, and I hit ya’ll with this proposal:

I’m gonna keep pimping Henry, cheap ass Heisley doesn’t want to pay the poor kid. He definitely can come off the bench behind Brewer and provide some shooting and still play good D

Cavs Get: PG Mike Conley from Memphis and SF James Johnson from Chicago
Grizz Get : PF Anderson Varajeo from Cleveland, 1st round pick, and $3 mil from Chicago
Bulls Get: Rights to SG Xavier Henry, SF Jamario Moon, and 2nd rounder from Memphis

Now, he done took my hoe and got running the block triple time LOL

by Ceasaleo on Jul 20, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

So let me get this straight...

We get Xaviery Henry (12th overall pick a month ago), Jamario Moon and probably an early 2nd rounder for James Johnson and a pick probably in the 20s?

Why on Earth would Cleveland do that?

by pooriejay on Jul 20, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Cleveland will

not trade the Flop Princess, that would leave the Cavs with no center

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 20, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions

They already don't have a center

And I figure Hickson is gonna eat into Varajeo’s minutes this year anyway

by Ceasaleo on Jul 21, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions

Shaq & T-Mac

two FORMER SUPERSTARS mentors! They might show D Rose the attitude it takes to go from ALLSTAR to SUPERSTAR, playing small roles durning the season and increasing Shaq in the playoffs. minimal minutes during the season means more in the tank comes playoff time, (look at Stackhouse)! T-Mac can still dribble and pass (3rd ball handling option), and Shaq and Booz is a great O lineup for 10min with Shaq and Noah being a real good D lineup for 10.

I've been a Bulls fan since I was 10, a Laker fan since I started watching the NBA (age 9)

by Emperor Si on Jul 20, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions

without saying

They know what it takes to be a superstar, and Shaq know what it takes to be a champion! That’s stuff I would LOVE for them to teach Rose, Noah, and Booz (Deng, Korver,Brewer, and the rest! Gar, get er done!

I've been a Bulls fan since I was 10, a Laker fan since I started watching the NBA (age 9)

by Emperor Si on Jul 20, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm sorry, but between your post and your sig, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

Will everyone stop hating on Deng, please?

by Chalkwhite on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Shaq or Kwame at C...

…if you can get ‘em for a good price ($2-$3M a year for three third year team option)…I like the T-Mac option if he comes cheap. He’s got something to prove. That would be a killer deep bench…

by streamsowhiskey on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions

Shaq apparently wants more than the midlevel

So put that idea to rest.

by madcow256 on Jul 20, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions

He also wants guaranteed minutes

Shaq would be a terrible thing to do to a rookie head coach.

So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT

by runningman on Jul 20, 2010 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions

I want Shannon Brown

He’d be a great back-up for Brewer. Roger Mason wants starter minutes. He’ll never sign with the Bulls.

by Brutha Bonzo on Jul 20, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions

The Bulls have 10 players, their roster is already set

by YaoPau on Jul 20, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

And by that I mean

Why would we trade future 1sts in a plan to land a timeshare SG and an 11th man center. Sign two cheap guys and you’re done.

by YaoPau on Jul 20, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Best idea i've read yet.

by jf111847 on Jul 20, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions

no sarcasim

by jf111847 on Jul 20, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions

i like brewer

but if that mean we get kwame. PASS. I only like Kwame to make fun of other peoples team. Dont want that show on my foot

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by Belize on Jul 20, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

worst nba hands ever?

The name of the team is ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS - "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name"

by marionette on Jul 20, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions

right up there with elden campbell

All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games

by Belize on Jul 20, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions

Seems like a lot for Corey Brewer.

especially since he probably wont start for the Bulls.

I think it would be best some cheap veterans like Joe Smith to fill out the roster in case of injuries. The Bulls doesnt have to only choose from their own summer league roster to look for end of bench players. Teams like the Heat or the Blazers already have 13 to 15 players on their NBA roster, so the Bulls can look toward their summer league rosters if they find someone that they like. I wouldnt mind giving Mikhail Torrance a contract as the 3rd PG on the team.

by VaderMaul on Jul 20, 2010 8:42 PM CDT reply actions