C.J. Watson to Bulls
[From the FanShots. Another nice move, and some creativity shown here. -ed.]
The Bulls and Warriors are close to a deal that would send C.J. Watson to Chicago, according to sources. A deal appears to be imminent.
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what's his game like?
from what Ive read, he has a nice shot
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
CJ's Sbnation player profile.
A speedy and well-rounded playmaker who takes care of the ball. Drives well and creates for teammates, and can score enough to keep defenders honest. Defends and rebounds well for his size. Hits his free throws.
Rose 2010!!!!!
Good Post k_yle33
it seems like you get most of the updated news before anyone these days
cuz i'm addicted, haha...no lie
actually, someone else posted this in hoopshype forum
by K_yle33 on Jul 19, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
What are the bulls trading for Watson?
I hope its JJ
poopsworld?
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 19, 2010 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
my thoughts exactly
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
I like
Decent shooter…not sure about the defense since he played with the Warriors.
Here’s a writeup on a previous summer league game.
This may not be Watson’s best performance of the Summer League, but it accentuated his talents. He did a great job moving the ball up the floor on the break and making things happen. He has nice quickness and great speed, allowing him to beat his man to the where he earned numerous trips to the foul line. Watson shows a tremendous motor, always in attack mode. His assist numbers weren’t great, but he set the tempo and sparked quite a few easy baskets. His shooting touch looked solid, and considering the amount of time he spent with the ball in his hands, he didn’t turn the ball over all that much. Defensively, Watson was an absolute nuisance. He has incredibly quick hands and took advantage of some shoddy ball handling by Dallas’s starters. Watson stood out more than he did last year, and seems like he’s capable of sticking in the League if that is telling of his development over the past year.
by DRose01 on Jul 19, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
nice...
i’m excited. This is going to be a complete team if we can still get a backup SG and 5th big man….almost everyone on our roster except james johnson can ball.
I thought Korver was the back-up SG...
At $5M per, it would make sense…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Korver backup 2/3
Watson backup 1/2
I think JJ’s moving further down the bench or to the D-league for a bit….
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Between Brewer Korver and Watson
There aren’t many 2-guard minutes left. I fully expect one of the summer league players to be the next SG the Bulls get. It may not be someone from the Bulls summer league team.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Watson
Is our backup 1,
Korver our backup 3
Brewer our starting 2.
Rose (33 MPG); Watson 15 MPG
Brewer (29 MPG); Korver (12MPG), Watson 7 MPG
Deng (33 MPG); Korver (10 MPG); JJ (5 mpg)
Boozer (33 MPG) Taj (15 MPG)
Noah (33 MPG); Asik 10 MPG, Taj 5 MPG.
Rose 33
DENG 33
Boozer 33
Noah 33 (big 4 avg 33)
Brewer 29
Korver 22
Watson 22
Taj 20
Asik 10
Johnson 5
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
by majoyenrac on Jul 20, 2010 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Right...
These final three signings don’t really mean much, because they should not be playing meaningful minutes…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
They better decline his option for Year 3.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Korver is not a SG.
He’ll play there out of necessity, not out of being good.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Where's Vinny?
His Watson/Rose backcourt would make him droool. Small ball ftw
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
someone posted this in another forum (alex is guy who tweeted this)
BTW, Alex is reliable. He’s my nugga and he’s extremely connected to CJ Watson his self.
Sweet move!
Looks like we dodged the White Chocolate and Skip to My Lou bullets…excellent.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
i think Skip killed the magic's chemistry
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
Defense
Looks to be a decent defender too
Last year (rookie season)
Top 20 in steals among guards and #2 in Steal\turnover ratio
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
He's been in the league since 07-08.
How was last year his rookie season?
rookie season probably should be replaced with first year he cracked a roster i guess
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
the warriors gamble a lot
his steal numbers could be inflated.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Totally inflated. He cheats due to his lack of altteral quickenss. Guy tend to blwo by him a alot
so he definds the best he can by cheating and playing lanes. He is a poor man defender.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 20, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
lets just say
if it were kicks, it would be these
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
by Belize on Jul 19, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
here it is
Just filed to ESPN.com: Matt Barnes and Raptors closing in on two-year deal in $10 million range. Will be completed TUES barring late snag
they need a SF, but I would have went with Josh Howard or Richard Jefferson first
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm really interested to see where RJ ends up at this point
The Clippers?
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
If I was RJ right now
I would drive to my agents office and punch him in the face. No words, just one punch. If I still didn’t have a contract in a week, I’d call the Clippers or Wizards myself.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude is seriously running out of teams
that have starting spots open at the 3. That was one of the worst opt-out decisions I’ve ever seen.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Think so.
And didn’t someone say something about him wanting to go back to the NY area? Seems like he might just be waiting for the Nets to get desperate enough.
Knicks and the nets
are the only 2 teams that would pay in a crazy large contract
it made absolutely no sense
even if there is a lockout next year, even if the CBA cuts salaries in half, you still have $15 million on your contract coming off 2 straight seasons where you played like crap. Enjoy it, hope it turns around next year in San Antonio and than sign somewhere else. He is going to end up w/ something like a 3 year $ 15 million contract.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I really didn't understand what that thought process was
He’s been traded twice in two years and dropped a bit in Milw then dropped quite a bit further in SA….and they opted out of $15M…..
Crazy.
SA’s been pretty quiet save for Splitter though….who knows.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Good. Toronto overpays andloses some of their cap space and
Miami doesn’t get to have him. A win-win for the Bulls
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The latest tweet from CJ
was from an hour ago, and it read, “So excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
Why is he in Miami? What the HELL is he doing there!
- that was the first thought that went through my head. The SuperFriends have made me paranoid
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude Miami has shot its wad!
CJ is there on vacation. The Warriors want more TPE. and the Heat have nothing they can give. Relax he’s all yours. He’s nice undersized two guard trapped in a one body.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 19, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
CJ is a shoot first PG. But is a liability as a distributor.
Set a record by getting banned for the 8th time!
After rehab I saw the light and promise to be kinder and gentler!
Probation is a very slippery slope!
He doesn't really turn the ball over
1.1 TO/gm
1.4 TO/per36
by kozzer on Jul 19, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
wrong?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
CJ Watson catches Joakim Noah with an elbow
by PricanStar on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/cj_watson/
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 19, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Really...
The only reason you can’t find stats is because you didn’t look.
Basketball Reference is your friend.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i dont really like this signing
from what ive seen. hes a shoot first type pg fit for the gsw system.
also coming from that system and offensive stats he has are probably inflated a bit.
i havent seen much of him but i havent seen anything i like
oh and he wears 23!!!
problem for him!!!1
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
totally a shot first guard. He is really better suited to be a two but is way too small
So Nellie uses him as the back up One. He is NOT a point guard or at least a good distributing one. Can score though.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 19, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
“Nellie”
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Jul 19, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
This kid Alex Kennedy better be right
_ames _ohnson
by Evil Pax on Jul 19, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
on a goldenstate team where youre taught to jack up the ball as soon as the rim is in sight
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
To his credit, 16-23 shooting
plust 7 boards and 6 assists. You don’t accidentally do that.
He won’t be doing that on any kind of regular basis or anything but it says something about his talents.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 19, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
it says he got lucky and happened to be in the right spot at the right time that night
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
That's one heck of a spot then. :)
Still, that is a good point. Just in 2008/09 Hinrich went off for 37/7/10 against the Pacers.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 19, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
he looks taller than 6' 2"
All I want in life is for UC fans to chant: Deeeeeloooonte during Heat games
not more like 6'1"
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 19, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez...
6’1.75" in shoes, 8’0" standing reach…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy crap!
That’s why CJ gets a fair amount of steals…nobody thinks he is going to be able to get a hand on it, but he has a massive reach! Wow!
8'0" isn't massive.
You’re not going to find many guys 6’0" or taller that can’t reach 8’0"
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yeah....
Duhon has an 8’2" standing reach…Kirk is 8’2.5" and Derrick is also 8’2.5"
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
yes, that would be ridonkulous to say the least
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
lol
I see the guy can score( even though it was against the kings, when he scored 40)……….can he pass, because it seems like he doesn’t get a lot of assist
does it matter that much?
dude is gonna be playing like 15 min a game.
as long as he can hold down the fort, score some points, it’s cool with me.
"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"
That's the greatest soundtrack to a basketball highlight reel ever.
Smooth beat, minimal lyrics, interspersed with live commentary.
Kids, pay attention. That’s how it should be done.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
think its official
http://twitter.com/MSteinmetzCSN/status/18957988176
he says its for a 2nd round pick
i am really pleased with this offseason by gar/pax/bulls
all 5 signings are legit….These 5 players could beat about 5 teams in the league.. Watson, Brewer, Korver, Boozer, Asik
by K_yle33 on Jul 19, 2010 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Depends on your perspective
Mediocre if you are T-Wolves or some team that needs a better core. Very good for the Bulls who needed role players around that core.
One more star would have helped, but the YaYa Sisterhood took care of that. Building around Rose, Boozer and Noah has been a success this offseason in my opinion.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 19, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Hollinger:
Wow. GREAT deals for Bulls. Shooter, can play some 2. RT @MSteinmetzCSN C.J. Watson going to Chicago in a sign-and-trade for 2nd-round pick.
Booyah!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
I'm happy. CJ Watson was the free agent point guard I liked the most
Skilled, big, and young enough to still be improving and have upside
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
how much capspace do the bulls have left?
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
if Watson's deal is something modest, like 3yr/10.5M
i believe that leaves more than enough for kurt thomas. that would be icing on the cake.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
if johan petro got a $3M per year deal
i’m inclined to think ol’ Kurt is sitting on something better.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
I would perfer Thomas and Mason
sign Thomas to a 1 year contract because he is about to turn 38 this year and by then Asik have some experience under his belt
Bradford Doolittle of Basketball Prospectus (also a Bulls fan):
Great pickup for Bulls … Watson an explosive second unit PG who can play w/ DRose at times. Fantastic … Still need another 3pt shooter
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
That's who I'm hoping for
And even though I absolutely hated Eddie House on the Celtics, I’d take him too.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Is Roger Mason better than Byars? I think I would rather have Byars or Almond than House.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot about Byars and Almond
Yeah, I think I’d actually rather just pay Byars or Almond the minimum than pick up Mason or House. It would be nice to have a couple million left over in cap space after we sign Kurt Thomas or whatever vet big guy so we can take more salary back in a trade during the season. I think I’d probably sign Byars. I like his ability to shoot over defenders and he seems to have tons of range, even if he can’t do shit else on the court.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Make it 3 years
everyone else besides Boozer are receiving those types of contracts
The Chicago Bulls and Golden State Warriors have completed a sign-and-trade for C.J. Watson, according to sources. Watson, who was a restricted free agent, will be dealt to Chicago in exchange for a second round pick. He has agreed to a three year, $10.2 million deal with the Bulls.
I still can't believe the Bulls got Brewer for 3 years, 12.5 million
if he is fully healthy, I think he is going to be a 16-17 PER player and universally loved by Bulls fans.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Otis Smith must be kicking himself.
The Magic went with Duhon instead of this kid.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
YES!
OK, not a future All-Star, but a lot better than the typical remaining free agent. Since he’s restricted, I never really checked him out.
Another guy to be excited about, can play both guard spots, career 35% threes isn’t bad.
A shoot-first mentality isn’t bad when you hit close to 47% of your shots. It’s not like he’s Jamal Crawford, chuckin’ em up at a 40% clip.
I agree
Also consider that one of the reasons the Bulls didn’t go the cheap route with PG is that they might have lost every game that Rose was injured in, if they were depending on John Lucas or something. Now, if Rose does get injured, the backup PG will be able to replace a good part of his scoring.
Looking at the Bulls team now, I don’t see any single player going down that would result in a 10 game losing streak like last year.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
Well last year's 10 game losing streak
Was due to having our big 3 down (Noah-Rose-Deng) and even Kirk(y) missed 1.5 games due to suspension.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
True and of course
Since we traded anything resembling depth to be players this summer.
But if Rose-Boozer-Noah went down and Deng missed 1.5 games, we’re going to be in for a big losing streak, even if we have better depth. That’s all I was saying. You can’t win when your top 3 players are out (and who knows I think Deng really is our 3rd best player just above JoNo.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
It works for both sides. The Warriors get a draft pick for a player they were never interested in resigning
The Bulls get a servicable back up.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
It appears GSW turned this down last Summer
Anthony Johnson, a first rounder, and cash for CJ Watson.
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 19, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess GarPax doest want to wait 7 days anymore
after not matching Morrow, I dont think they’ll keep watson for that money. GS can find another dl player to replace watson
The best part is now
the Bulls are pretty much guaranteed to be pretty good defensively at every position.
Wait for it :)
I think he is on the cusp. A greater understanding of team defense and a bit more aggression and I think he can take a big leap defensively.
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 19, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thibs will sprinkle magic defense dust on him. Problem solved.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Uhhh Watson plays PG
and he got 1.6 steals a game. Not that steals necessarily means good defense, but with Thibs’ team defense schemes, I think Rose will continue to improve significantly (he did during the season last year). It’s hard to say since Watson was at GS, but he looks to have the tools.
Thibs has dealt with a gambling PG before (Rondo) and had great success with him.
But Rose will still be logging most of the PG minutes.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
and I think Rose will be better defensively next year, getting to “above average” status at least. And Watson, from the scouting reports and my own observation, appears to have the tools to be a good defender.
I'd like to see Rose make it to average. He's still got a ways to go to even get there.
Above average seems like a stretch at this point.
His rookie year he was one of the worst defenders in the entire league. Last year he was merely bad. Maybe this year he gets to average and then year four he can try to build on that.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted Keyon Dooling
This is much better. Congrats to the Bulls for getting this done. Definitely a worthy backup to Rose, and nice that he can even play with Rose as a 2 at times.
yep....
I heard some complaining (not much on this site) about giving Kirk away. I realize Watson probably isn’t as good as a defender, but it’s hard to look at the numbers and not say that the Bulls just picked up Kirk’s replacement for free (2nd round pick and $3M a year is free in the NBA).
Really good point
Watson is a better offensive player than Kirk and he is exactly what we wanted out of Kirk: efficient scoring off the bench. Watson’s last 2 years his TS% was 56.4 and 55.5 (2007-2008 he really didn’t play much). Kirk has only had 2 of 7 years where he was above 55%.
I will be interested to see what Watson can do defensively, but at least he can get steals.
by JSB on Jul 19, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, obviously steals are only a part of defense
but 1.6 steals in 27 minutes per game last year is highly impressive. That should lead to some nice fastbreak points. We could have a really exciting team to watch.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 19, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
the Bulls could field 3 types of “specialty” lineups now.
A rebounding/defense lineup consisting of Rose, Brewer, Deng/JJ, Taj and Noah/Asik
An up-tempo lineup of Rose, CJ, Brewer, JJ/Deng and Noah
And a shooting lineup of Rose/CJ, Korver, JJ, Deng and Booz.
Ah…versatility (although the third lineup would be much better with Korver in place of JJ and someone like Roger Mason at the 2)
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
A rebounding line would include Boozer
He is a double digit rebounder.
I'm pretty pleased with this.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:23 PM CDT reply actions
So it's true. Everytime there is a Bulls press conference
They pick up another player. Can’t wait for the C.J. Watson Press Conference!
by Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. on Jul 19, 2010 9:27 PM CDT reply actions
i don't understand.
how the hell did the bulls acquire such nice pickups this year, while last year filling out the roster with a gigantic shit sandwich?
the hell changed? gar/pax just became smarter somehow?
by umidontknow on Jul 19, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
well...
The ingredients of the shit sandwich had expiring contracts, which is what the Bulls were really trading for/signing. Now they have cap space to work with.
They have made really good use of that space, though. They got Brewer, Korver and Watson for aroung $12-$13M, while Atlanta signed Joe Johnson for $16.5M. Their committment to those players also expires in 3 years, as compared to 6 with Johnson.
I agree
the buls are doing a better job with their money…………Joe Johnson……worst contract this offseason
Ever
Eddy Curry’s was only five years.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Trenton Hassel
Brian Cardinal, Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Austin Croshere, Erik Dampier..
Lots of contract that look worse than Johnson’s
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
i guess my point wasn't the money, as the selection of players.
these are all pretty good players, whereas pargo/hunter/gray was an abject failure.
It appears you are serious so here is the serious answer
They needed one year contracts in order to have free space for this summer in order to attempt to sign Lebron.
Good players can all get much better deals than 1 year, so the Bulls were forced to sign the only type of player that would accept those cheap one-year contracts. Scrubs who might not even deserve a spot on an nba roster.
So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT
yeah but what are they paying these guys,
that isn’t comparable to the crap triumvirate of pargo/hunter/gray? it isn’t really that far off is it?
3 year deals vs. 1 year deal.
Weren’t winning anything last year anyways.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice Watson mix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD48rB1wPRo
Dude is fast. Nice wingspan (6-6) , too, for his height (only 6-2).
I like this better than signing up Keyon Dooling. Watson’s younger and better and they got him on a pretty good contract.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions
Stats aren't everything but his
ppg production has gone up every year along with his playing time. Also, he may not be as good of a defender than Kirk but he only put up 2 points less per game with 6 mins of playing time less per game. Not a bad replacement for Kirk for just a 2nd rounder
He's certainly more athletic than Kirk.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the one thing no one is talking about
I’m slowly seeing the Bulls strategy. The only way to compete in the East now is to get deeper and more athletic. All of a sudden in Rose, Noah, Brewer, and Watson, you have a young athletic core that can do some of the things Thibs wants to do. I tell you what, If this thing gels right we might can challenge for that 2 seed…Maybe.
It's like Thibs is going...
Hey! Not every NBA players is old! I can get some young athletic guys, and teach them how to play defense, and then they’ll stay good for a few extra years!
Ask me about Tom Thibodeau!!!
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by kidronmusic on Jul 19, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Not only stay good but get better. All 4 of those guys are mentioned have not hit their ceiling. Plus the new guys are signed to 3 year deals so if they suck then we can move on but if we get them in a structure and good system, who knows what their ceiling is. This doesn’t even include Boozer, Taj, and Deng. I like the Bulls plan.
They may not be able to shoot 3's with other teams...
But I think top 5 finishes in pts. allowed, shooting % allowed, def rebounding are all realistic goals. Teams that finish that high in all those catagories are usually pretty good.
This team isn’t going to try to challenge shots and hope you miss, they’re going to be jumping passing lanes, blocking shots, swarming the ball with help defense. It’s going to be fun to watch.
Yep
Not to start any arguments or rehash the past but a dedicated Tyrus on this roster would have been scary.
Good Point
All 3 deals (Korver, Brewer, Watson) are cheaper than the Tyrus deal.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 19, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
We're going to be fighting with the Bucks for the three seed and the Central Division crown.
The Bucks made some solid signings and added to a very good team from last year. A lot of their success depends on whether Bogut is right or not, but if he is, they are probably still the (slight) favorite to take the Central crown.
But outside of Miami, I can see the battle for the number 2 seed being a real dogfight. I think the Magic have definitely gotten worse. Duhon replacing Jason Williams? Woof. Barnes and Q-Rich are about equivalent to me. Vince Carter will be a year older. (They also play in the same division as the Heat, so they will be out of the running for a top 3 spot as a division winner). Celtics should really start to slide this year, especially with only one center of any merit on their team to begin the year (J. O’Neal) with Perk out. Bucks will be good as I mentioned. I think the Hawks will start to decline because iso-Joe will start to decline and Mike Bibby has to be close to done. Plus, they play in the same division as Miami so they won’t be winning their division (a necessity for the 2 seed).
If the Bulls can fend off the Bucks in their division, they do have a real shot at the 2 seed, provided the Celts fall off as expected.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
ME TOO!!!!
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
If bogut is healthy
a lot of it could come down to how long of a learning curve Thibs has until he can start approaching Skiles level
Thibs has more to work with than Skiles, tho.
Noah and Boozer make up a better frontcourt. Rose, Brewer and Deng make up a better backcourt. Furthermore, we have a star, they don’t. Jennings isn’t even close. He’s going to have to get his FG% out of Jannero Pargo territory before he’s even in the same stratosphere as Derrick.
Bogut is a star in my book.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed, he's better than Noah just needs to avoid the injury bug.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Skiles was runner up coach of the year
and deservedly so. As excited as I am for Thibs, I’m guessing he wont be there in November.
I thought...
The 3 seed could be a 2nd place team if they have the better record than a division winner? Meaning the worst you can do as a division winner is a 4 seed, but still lose out to a 2nd place team in the seedings. Or maybe I made that up.
I also thought no way Big Z goes to the Heat… I’m definitely slipping.
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 20, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
at 0:37, who is he passing to?
i like this pick up a lot though, this kid could give us some good bench play
He's instant offense or
he can spell Rose. Watching him, he is a weak man’s Rose without the vertical leaping ability or vision of passing lanes.
But he has a better three point shot and is a better defender.
I’m almost ear to ear about this one.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if this is the mix with the 40 pt game
But for god’s sakes he actually had a 40 pt game last season. He’s extremely versatile and quick.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I find it funny how most of us think a second round pick is like trash, but in like the NFL it’s worth a lot.
“This guy for only a second? LOL WE RIPPED EM OFF!’
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 19, 2010 9:40 PM CDT reply actions
I know it’s different in the NFL, but I just find it funny that it seems like 2nd round picks aren’t worth that much
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 19, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
And of the 12 guys only 7-8 crack a typical rotation
And of those 7-8 only 2-3 are necessary musts for a title….rest are role players typically.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
That's because there are 7 rounds in the nfl draft.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, i guess since there’s only 2 rounds in the NBA draft
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 19, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Last summer, Orlando offered Golden State a first rounder, cash considerations, and Anthony Johnson’s expiring contract for Watson.
@AlexKennedyNBA, the guy who first reported this deal
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
and they ended up with Duhon as their backup PG. Awesome.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
You know
I am sort of glad they matched Redick’s offer now. Before the signing I preferred Brewer. I talked myself into Redick b/c of the whole space-the-floor idea. But, now I am glad we are going w/ athleticism and defense.
I would much rather have Redick, Brewer, and Watson on the team.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
me too, but it seemed like the reason Brewer signed on here was because he had the starting gig lined up. If we signed Redick, I don’t think he would have come here, especially on that cheap of a deal.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 19, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was my preference too
But I don’t know if we could have gotten all 3. The fact that we didn’t sign Brewer until after the Redick thing fell through makes me think that Brewer might have gone back to Utah or something if we had signed Redick.
Hollinger retweeted this about an hour ago
would be nice if theyre was some kinda of verification by espn by now
The bench
Watson
Korver
Not JJ
Gibson
Asik
I can predict the future using Norm Van Lier's crystal balls.
"Sam has a tendency to denigrate reports coming from any reporter who didn’t also cover the day Naismith first put up the peach baskets." - snley
by NBA Observer on Jul 19, 2010 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
we still need a vet big man
asik just not going to do it. i dont believe in counting on him already
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Kurt Thomas FTW
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah thats what im hoping for
or shaq if we can get him for nothing.
i would love shaq to rough up miami
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
Yeah, Kurt Thomas on a cheap 1-year deal would be my vote.
Then sign Byars or Almond and keep an extra $2-3 million or so in cap space for whatever trade deadline deal we might try to work.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
too small
the Bulls need a back up Center.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, this too.
I’ve always liked Thomas’ physical play, even if he’s only 6’9". Hopefully we sign him.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 19, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not nearly as capable as a post defender. I am a Lou fan.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I think its odd the Suns let him go
but signed Warrick to a 4 year, $16 million contract
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing he would cost more
since he’s younger and the Suns didn’t keep him around
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
hes more of pf isnt he?
i doubt he holds up against centers
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
The ponytail keeps him centered
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Taj is our vet big man...
Isn’t he like 40?
by Khalid El-Amin on Jul 20, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Well you haven't seen him play
Considering how we are filling every other hole on this roster, you would think it’s safe to assume if the Bulls didn’t believe he could play that they would add a guy. We still have money to spend, I don’t think it’ll be a problem.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah if Asik can give us anything
we’re already a 10 man deep team right now
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0720-bulls-bits-chicago--20100719,0,5963542.story
chicago tribune seems to have confirmed it as well
Anyone notice the Heat gave Joel Anthony 5 yrs/$18 million?
I assume they used his Bird rights, but still that is a lot of years and money for a player who has done nothing.
Captive team
Big Z seemed all but done last year, they need size, they have no options and size sells even if it’s crap (Darko this year, Kwame 2-3 yrs ago).
I heard we’re interested in Kwame Brown….he might not actually be a bad 3rd C…..at least he’s got size and can defend. Though I don’t like him and would hate when he plays, at least I don’t yet hate him like a Duhon.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
i struggle to say it..
but depending on price, Kwame might not be that badder #3 option, at least he shoot around 50%, he can get you 50 points and a few rebs in 10-15mins?
i dunno, don’t roast me,Im not that keen on the idea hehehe
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
I'm really hoping that "he can get you 50 points" is typo
but I was just about to say that instead of Kurt Thomas who may break down at some point of the year or run out of gas during the end and playoff run. Going with Kwame for a reasonable price might be a better option. If he can’t do anything else he can D up. And I can’t remember where I heard it but Andrew Bynum said he’s probably the strongest guy in the league. I think the term was “he’s country strong”
That is true
You can tell it from watching him play (provided it doesn’t burn your eyes out). He’ll throw dudes around on occasion.
I hadn’t thought of Kwame but I admit the idea makes sense. He’s very large and very strong. I think I’d prefer him over Kurt Thomas.
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
I'd prefer Etan Thomas or maybe even Robert Swift
Kwame just has absolutely no motivation, it seems.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I had forgotten
about Etan Thomas.
Although I’m not sure Robert Swift even plays professionally anymore.
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
heheh.... yeh, supposed to be 5 points
what you never seen Kwame light it up for fiddy ???
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
simple math
Kirk = $9 million
Watson = $3 million
Brewer = $4 million
Next year’s salary aprox. I would say that Watson + Brewer is > Kirk.
I realize that Kirk is better than both, but combined they will provide the same level of production if not more for less money… good moves by garpax I’d say.
I don't think Kirk is better than Brewer. I would say they are equivalent players
and Brewer may be a little better when healthy
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeh they are a least the same.
Brewer is a good player, im looking forward to him getting a start shot with us next year.
'The Decision' : 12% of people don't like me.
And on top of that
Brewer is younger, so he might have some ceiling left to prove. Kirk peaked three years ago.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldnt say Kirk is better than Brewer.
Brewer is a better 2-guard than Kirk was. Of course, Kirk is a better point guard but Brewer has some defensive intensity and is at the very least, a wash overall.
by Playboy_BullV on Jul 19, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm saying
the combination of Watson + Brewer > Kirk and it costs less to boot!
One of the best things to happen in the Lebron saga
was the Bulls getting off thier addition of Hinrich. Look at the other players we were able to grab once we dumped that contract.
by Dils on Jul 19, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I like Watson
He’s a poor man’s Ben Gordon. Here’s the comp. Big difference in USG%, but everything else is about the same.
Pat Riley is the devil.
Longer too..
Which alone should help on defense. Of course Ben is the better scorer, but with Korver, Rose and Boozer, we can live with it.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He seems a whole lot quicker than Gordon, and is a better defender
Which means he doesn’t put us nearly in the same quandry defensively that a Gordon/Rose lineup did. He can guard PGs or the SG.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions
the roster is pretty much set
except for a 5th big man and a backup 2 guard. I don’t expect anything more than competent veteran players at this point. how many games do the Bulls win next year?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions
16 in the playoffs
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 19, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, with the right breaks you never know.
I think the year after this one though is when they can really make a push.
by Playboy_BullV on Jul 19, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Miami muttering the same thing. I think we have ourselves a new rivalry
with Orland and Boston pushing 3rd and 4th.
it’s seems lofty compared to what the “insider” “experts” are saying, but I just have so much confidence in Rose and Noah. And Deng? Well isn’t this the first chance he could have to be healthy the year after a good season? He thrives off of his own consistent play. I see him exploding a little this year. 17-6-3 off of three less shots per game and 2 less minutes per game. To me, with a team sporting hall-of-fame level rebounders in Noah and Boozer, that’s spectacular. I can’t wait to see how many offensive rebounds we snatch-up.
Noah 13ppg 11rbg
Boozer 20ppg 10.5rpg
Deng 17ppg 6rpg 3apg
Brewer 10ppg 4rpg 3apg
Rose 22ppg 4rpg 7.5apg
Injuries will cause this lineup to average less than the 82ppg I project here, but then add:
Gibson 8ppg 6rpg
Korver 9ppg 2rpg
Watson 8ppg 2.5apg
Asik 4ppg 4rpg
JJ 3ppg 1.5rpg 1apg
Since these guys will, on average, play about 70-75 games (90%) this year, you multiply 117pts (total ppg I calculate here) times .9. That’s about 105ppg. I like that.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Anything less than 50 is a disappointment, obviously excluding injuries.
I think people expecting a double-digit boost in wins should calm down.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this team is better than the 2006-2007 team - really because of
the presence of Boozer and his low post offense. Rose being a legit All-Star works too!!
I’d pencil the Bulls in at 55 wins. Good for 3rd in the East. Aside from Miami and Milwaukee, no one really got better in the East. Yes, NYC will be better but not good enough for it to actually matter. NJ will be better too but again, still a bubble playoff team (8th seed at best).
by Playboy_BullV on Jul 19, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Better Roster than 2006-2007 for sure
But that 2006-2007 team probably overachieved. I think we are looking at a 50-55 win team though.
Well dont forget that last year's team was better than 41 wins but we endured the
games without Noah and Rose. This team has better depth and vets who can take up the slack.
If Noah goes out, we can put in Boozer/Taj as the starting front court and still be serviceable.
by Playboy_BullV on Jul 19, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the post trade Bulls of 08-09 were the best post MJ
Then we took a step back to end up the same last year (we were crap pre the big trade that year).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
But Boozer doesn't really work in the low ...
oh screw logic.
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
50 would be a 9-win improvement
but a 10-win (double-digit) improvement is expecting too much? Not tracking there…
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
True-talent wise, they weren't a 41 win team last season, more like a 45-46 team.
Injuries really hampered them, so I’d say a 50-52 win season is reasonable. 55+ is kind of crazy.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It's improbable but possible.
Think that this year we have: low post offense and legit 3 point shooters. Couldnt say that last year.
We should be an improved defensive and offensive unit and that should work. We went from 23 wins in 2003-2004 to 47 wins in 2004-2005 so not that bad right?
Milwaukee went from 34 wins to 46 wins so there is a chance.
by Playboy_BullV on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It's much easier to go from lottery team to middle-tier in the East.
I’m not going to discount the possibility in July. Let’s see how they look in preseason and how Thibs gets all these pieces working together. Plus, if Rose takes his game to another level all bets are off.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think we were that much more significantly injured then the average NBA team
sure we had no depth, but most teams have injured stars for some games.
We just didn't have hungry, capable D-Leaguers rounding out our rotation like the Warriors when they lost all their guys.
Instead we had Jannero Pargo.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Thing is
this team’s win total will be especially hard to predict due several factors: all of the additions and how thy fit, possible growth from our own players (D Rose, Noah, Gibson), putting guys like Taj in a better role, being healthy the whole year (BIG “if”) etc. It’s probably a little too optimistic, but I don’t think you can say that a mid 50’s win team is unrealistic.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on Asik
And if JoNo and Taj can steer clear of Plantar fascitis, but if so, I concur.
We need 1 more big b4 I’m going 55 wins. Right now I’ll be happy with 51. We get a reserve big that can log some minutes and is a bit of injury insurance, then yes 55.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
I think Watson may spend some time at the SG spot as well
as PG. They do need one more big man though. I think 50-55 is a possibility if everyone is healthy and improving.
by Dils on Jul 19, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree with you, except for that last part.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Oh lord, tell me this is true
I didn’t even think Watson was a possibilty, yet alone for such a cheap price.
This team is starting to get pretty damn awesome
by Option27 on Jul 19, 2010 10:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
No kidding
And to think that I was dissapointed that Dooling got signed by the Bucks today. Watson is younger and better. The Bulls might actually know what they are doing here.
At this point, i wouldn't even be mad if they went after Mason Jr
I was against those kinda signings if it meant we counted on them for some sort of spark off the bench.
With Watson, you got that already. We just need another solid 2 who can give us 10 minutes a night now.
Also, another 3 year deal!
by Option27 on Jul 19, 2010 10:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Only if Mason can be had for the minimum
Otherwise I would rather just give those scarce minutes to someone like Byars or Almond.
Oh it's true...it's damn true!
Garpax has been shopping the bargain bins the past couple of weeks, and they’re coming home with their arms full of great deals!
Gar runs a flee market during the off season
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 20, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
And Noah.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
and boozer
http://ExtendtheGame.blogspot.com
If we play 100% to our potential and don't give any games away
(which is rare for a team in this league to do), we can get 60.
by Stacey_Is_King on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the other huge key is Derrick
Can he take that next step to superstardom? Will he actually start shooting and making threes at a decent clip? Will he actually start getting to the line at the rate he should be able to get there at? Will he become at least an average defender? If all of these things happen, then yeah, this team could be really damn good. We’ll see, but for now I’d say low-50s is probably the realistic bet.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Ideally still need one more point guard in addition to a the veteran center,
although not sure who that would be right now. Watson fills the need for a combo guard that can play with Derrick as well as back him up nicely, but a team should really have at least three guys capable of playing point, especially with the way that Derrick’s style of play can lead to injuries. I’m not ready to buy the idea of John Lucas as the third point guard yet, and would prefer someone with some NBA experience at that position.
at this point i think the Bulls are just looking for a vet min guy to be that 3rd point guard
hopefully someone who can play the position better than Hunter or Pargo
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I thibk that 3rd guy may be Brewer who can run a little point.
I thought I heard he played a bit of it in college. Or at the very least they would want someone else to help get them in their offense. I think Brewer can do that.
What NBA vet is going to come to a team like the Bulls where their only hope of minutes is if Derrick goes down?
Do you have ideas on this?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe one of them guys grabbing the Superfriend's coat tails.
by Playboy_BullV on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
if they are on the superfriends coat tails, we've already lost them, no?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Law coming back would be fine. I haven't looked at the list of available players recently.
Mostly because the overall state of NBA guard play depresses me. Watson is a nice signing, but shouldn’t exactly scare anyone away. I’m not looking for anyone that’s anything more than a backup just someone with decent NBA experience and more of a true point guard than Watson.
And I'd like some insurance in the relatively likely event that Watson
doesn’t make a smooth transition to a real NBA team.
Law and Lucas
can fight it out for the 3rd spot in preseason
U can't have everything all the time
I think the org has done a damn good job of feeling out this roster. I can live with Lucas as the 3rd PG, he has had a cup of coffee in the league before with Houston. And was coached by Thibs, so he should be comfortable in the system right away. I would love for us to make another trade for a nice young backup SG tho. Maybe someone like Corey Brewer.
That would be funny
2 players name Brewer on the team
Could Acie Law, Chris Richard and Rob Kurz be getting phone calls to fill out the roster...
They already have 10 roster spots filled, and really no more than 10 players should be getting meaningful minutes in an NBA rotation.
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we need one more veteran big man
Asik is still too unproven especially w/ injury risks at the starting 4 and 5.
Josh Boone and Sean Williams are still out there..
Unless you want to go with the Kurt Thomas/Malik Rose orthopedic shoe wearing basketball player…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't Sean Williams like a complete nut case?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he is
Boone would be fine too. Good defense and rebounding. Not nearly the shot-blocker that Williams is though. Still fine for a 5th big man.
I think he is a pothead...
So, he would fit right in on this team…perhaps had maturity issues too…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
by Dionysus2.0 on Jul 19, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's a bit overblown. He got into some trouble for weed at BC and he has some attitude problems, I guess,
but he’s not Delonte crazy.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
We could use a crazy guy.
No nonsense team, he’d probably be fine here. And if not, we just cut him. We’re not in a position where we need to rely on the guy, so we can take a risk now that our roster has come together somewhat.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on if you think JJ is in the rotation
And if the Bulls are bluffing so they can get a big man cheaper (a desperate team is going to have to pay a higher price), or if they really think Asik is legit.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully Acie Law wants to come back and be the third PG for super cheap.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Same. Lucas is too small and too shot happy for my taste.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly
I still am not sure why Law hasn’t panned out as an NBA player. I liked him in college. Definitely the superior college player to Lucas III and they played at about the same time in the same league. Neither has done anything good in the NBA.
Law kind of had a short leash in Atlanta because they wanted to try to win right away, so they made the Bibby move.
Since then he hasn’t been able to really find a role, but he’s played well in the spot minutes he’s received. He’d be more than adequate as the 3rd PG, in my view.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they sat him because they wanted to see some other guys do something
in the games I watched, when he played, he was the complete focus. When he was out other guys got to show what they could do.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably. I didn't like hearing about how he ran the point. That's not a point guard, playing like that.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It looks like the Bulls decided to
build around their 21 year old all-star. all of a sudden the Bulls have a mix of young players yet to hit their ceiling along with other established players with playoff experience. No Lebron or Wade so the Bulls are going all in on giving the team to Rose. It’s his baby now.
by Dils on Jul 19, 2010 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Really the only choice they had
But at least they seem to be doing it well.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Has anyone noticed how much better the Bulls have gotten in contract negotiations?
Boozer signed for under his max. Korver signed for a decent price. They got Brewer at a bargain basement price. Now Watson comes on a very nice deal. And all this during a season when teams are awash in cap space.
I’m going to go ahead and say that the Gar era is off to a much better start than what Pax did re: contracts (bidding against himself for Noce, overpaying Kirk, overpaying Luol, overpaying Ben Wallace).
I gotta say, I dig it.
Oh and all these three year deals? Nice. They will be assets as Derrick is really taking off in the next couple years.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
Theyre definitely doing a nice job
I’ve got to think we have Derrick and Joakim to thank as well. Being young, up and coming and having lots of cap space might not have worked on the south beach sisters or their lapdog, but everyone else really wants to come here.
by reprisal on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, it's almost a shame
we had this illusion that we might actually get LeBitch/Dyanne/Lapdog, because it really obscured some of the great things the Bulls have been doing this offseason. It’s highly impressive that during an offseason awash in cap space like never before, it appears that Gar is dominating negotiations. It seems like all of the best bargains have been Bulls signings this offseason. What is going on?!?!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 19, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
And don't forget Kahan signing their 4th PG for an identical contract to that of their 2nd stringer!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
The best bargains were obviously the SuperFriends, especially when they decided to take paycuts,
but other than that, yes, it seems the Bulls have been able to really sell guys on coming here and taking either fair market contracts or below to sign them up.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
They're playing it like they're a small-market baseball team.
After being swindled by the goons in Miami, that’s smart dealing in my mind.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
"They will be assets as Derrick is really taking off"
you mean expiring when Derrick’s getting paid :-D
(sorry, good vibes thread)
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was looking forward to your negative take on this signing
Let’s hear it all!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
dude, are you being sarcastic?
Another nice move, and some creativity shown here.
- me, 5 minutes ago.
Y’all are the ones that are negative!
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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 19, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't see your original take
I was mostly just messing around though :-D
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
You know how I really feel. I was just trying to be positive for once.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OR use bird rights on the role players that excell
and start nipping into that luxury tax for a contender mine that JR used
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 20, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Paxson's Curry trade in NY cements him as a good GM when he was on the Bulls
At least it did for me. Still can’t believe how genius of a move that was.
i have to say, that korver deal is looking kind of stupid right now.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
watson is a better option at SG i think. which means korver just backs up deng for 5M per year.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Well that fine
I always looked at Korver as a SF anyway. Besides the Bulls have spent their money so well that it really doesn’t matter
Couple things... Deng is often hurt, so having a starting quality player as his backup is a pretty nice thing to have
this also allows the Bulls to limit Deng’s minutes to prevent him from getting injured. Finally, Korver will see spot minutes at the 2 guard.
They probably overpaid for Korver, but it’s not egregious.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if Deng takes too many shots one step inside the 3 pt line...
we sit his ass on the bench and put in Korver.
Will see lots of different line ups
probably run Rose, CJ, Korver, Deng, Boozer on offense late, then sub Rose, Brewer, Deng, Taj, Noah for d late
We need an elite shooter somewhere on the roster, thats for sure.
I like that we can mix and match with our bench
Lots of different types of players and not really any players that are duplicative on this team. Should be interesting for Thibs to play the match-ups.
I will never be able to think of the word "match-ups" the same ever again
Thanks, Vinny!
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Well Watson isn't really much of a 3-point shooter
And Korver might be the best in the league. I think it was a necessary signing, even if it was, say, $1 million too much for each year.
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
Korver's a 2-3
And broke the NBA record for 3pt % last year.
He’s a need on this team, and a lockdown shooter (Defined skill) is just what we needed. Plus he’s allegedly great in the local community (going above and beyond) which will help the Bulls PR a bit (plus I respect that).
But Korver’s the best of the I can only shoot guys, he’s much better than them…..a decent player. Price isn’t that cheap, but not a cap killing price unless he’s injured every year.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Sorry it was late
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
by majoyenrac on Jul 20, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We had no legit three point shooters on the roster.
We needed Korver. I still think were one three point shooter shy, especially with Rose running the drive+kick offense efficiently.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 19, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
you prefer James Johnson backing up Deng for 1.7 million?
don't let the bed bugs bite
by Rex Grossman on Jul 20, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
good point: its really one or the other.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
I don't know why anyone thought Korver would be a SG.
He was a PF in college and it’s not like he got any faster nor the NBA slower.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really at all..
The guy was the best 3 point shooter in the league and has decent size, he fits a completely different role. And Deng is hurt all the time anyways, Kyle Korver is a solid insurance option, it’s not like 5 million is an overpay for his talent. Brewer was injured last year too. Not to mention, Watson was playing in GS, he’s not a sure thing in a regular offense, I think he’ll be fine, but it’s still something to think about.
If Watson really does prove to be the superior player without a doubt, Korver isn’t really overpaid, they can probably move him without much troufble.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Korver is one of my more favorite move they've made.
I really believe the NBA has moved to a situation where you’re really good at everything (or great), or you must excel at one thing and do it well.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Meh, it's not so bad. Not the greatest deal and probably would have been better spent on Morrow (who was cheaper)
but overall, I don’t mind Korver for his cost. Shooters make a premium. Just the way it works.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Korver was worth the premium
I like that he has worked in a structured offense and has playoff experience. To me that was worth paying the extra $2 million/year considering we had cap space to burn.
by JSB on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Agreed.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I also like that Korver can play the 3 since he's a lot bigger than Morrow is
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
by Illini15 on Jul 19, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Korver is a 3. Not "can play the 3", he is one.
He’s not a SG. Korver at SG is a worse idea than Deng or Jimmy Johns out there. Well, at least in my book.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
dude lead the league in 3 pt % last year....its only a 3 year deal...
now the Matthews deal for portland was ridiculous….
by K_yle33 on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
not that the deal was that bad, but his fit, in spite of his marksmanship, itsnt great. he only does
one thing…. although if derrick makes a bit of a jump defensively, this changes everything. honestly, roses D is probably the most significant thing i am hoping for this season. i really dont care about FTAs, just defense.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
Take a look at the roster now
They are deep and flexible even if they stand pat. There are so many matchup possibilities that all you want is for Korver to do the one thing well that we need the most. That’s the luxury of signing a 3pt marksman. You know what he’s out there for.
I feel like all you need to justify the Korver signing is to watch this YouTube clip
If he has a game like this in the playoffs he is worth every penny.
All you need to justify the Korver signing is to look at the pisspoor collection of remaining free agents
And then to realize that if we hadn’t signed Korver, we’d still be sitting on about $9 mil in cap space.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 19, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
doing one thing great is a good thing.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't mind it
I think of Vujacic on the Lakers this year. The Lakers didn’t have much 3pt shooting, and Phoenix was killing them with their zone defense in the playoffs. So Phil Jackson put in Vujacic, and crappy as he is, he forced the Suns out of the zone and the Lakers rolled. As much as I trust Rose/Luol/Watson to knock down the 3 somewhat well this year, this isn’t a big price to make the team flexible.
His jersey sales will pay for that deal, don't worry.
"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah
by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
PRESS CONFERENCE FAST
so we can find out who our backup C is
Vinny probably thinking
Damn why couldn’t i had this kind of bulls team last year
Vinny probably thinking
Damn, I’m happy to be in LA, where I can be around other people who spend as much time on their hair as I do
by reprisal on Jul 19, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
More like
Damn, I’m happy no one gives a fuck about the Clippers. I suck at coaching.
by NittanyCub on Jul 20, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, I love this movem Watsin is the exact type of guy we needed
We’re basically set. Is till say bring in Shaq. Give him what’s left of the cap space.
Superteams suck.
I wouldn't say were set. The Bulls still need a true SG that can shoot to backup Brewer.
I would still love to add RUDY! JJ, picks, whatever for Fernandez, let’s do it. I really don’t care who our backup center is. Noah, Taj, and Boozer are going to practically get all the front court minutes anyways with Asik sprinkled in on occasion.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 19, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
No we don't
I’m sure Watson came here because e was told he’d be backing up at the two a lot also. I don’t think I’d want to bring in another guy like Fernandez, that’s when you start getting issues on the team because of guys not getting enough minutes. With Korver and JJ backing up the three, Korver and Watson backing up Brewer at the two, and Watson backing up D Rose, I think we’re good. Give a guy like Byars or Almond a shot. Like I said, Shaq would be great, give him most of the remaining cap space if he’s ok with coming off the bench and playing 20 or so minutes a night,
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Not to mention that Rudy's unreliable b/c of the possibility he goes back to Spain
No reason to give up assets to get a piece we don’t really need that might go back to Europe if he is unhappy.
by JSB on Jul 19, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, I guess I view the player's in a different light compared to you
I viewed C.J. more of a scoring PG. I can’t really envision him playing alongside Rose a ton due to Watson’s lack of size. I guess it may work to play small ball, I really don’t know. Also, I viewed Korver strictly as a SF because I can’t see him keeping up with SG defensively. Thibs will obviously plan accordingly and work out matchups to his advantage. It will be interesting who gets playing time with whom.
Fernandez seemed like a perfect compliment to Rose, especially for driving+kicking. I would like to have a three point shooter on the court most of the time during the game with either Fernandez or Korver. Korver is the only legit shooter on our roster right now, maybe Deng could be included as well.
I don’t know a ton about Byars, but isn’t he a SF? I’m sure Thibs knows what he’s doing with his personal. I’m pleased with the moves thus far.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 20, 2010 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions
He's a scoring PG that doesn't pass particularly well
AKA an undersized SG
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Jul 20, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's fine.
The past two signings have made our backcourt far more athletic than in years past. Brewer and Watson may not be the greatest shooters, but they can drive to the basket with extreme quickness. Opposing teams are going to have a hard time keeping up with the athleticism of Rose, Brewer, and Watson.
Defensively, our backcourt is going to be extremely aggressive with Watson and Brewer guarding the passing lanes. They both steal the ball at high rates. Once Thibs shows Rose how to defend well, especially with his quickness and athleticism then it’s going to get quite exciting.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 20, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
He played almost all his minutes last year
with Curry or Ellis. Not that we should be modeling our team after golden state. But he lead the team in pure point rating and should be fairly comfortable playing off the ball or setting up another combo guard.
Yes, but the Warriors are notorious for "small ball"
I’m not that concerned offensively with the Rose/Watson combination. We’d be sacrificing too much length IMO defensively.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 20, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya its certainly a concern, however
from this thread and some of the articles linked, it sounds like CJ is pretty capable of being a pretty aggressive on ball defender. Ronnie also seems to fit this model. Derrick should be able to do the same, but obviously hasnt shown much ability to do so.
I’m guessing when CJ plays 2 the ideal will be to heavy pressure on the perimeter backed by solid help defense and strong rebounding by Taj, Noah, etc. This should be effective(hopefully) against most back up 2s and weaker starters. More than likely they wont be able to log heavy minutes together against elite 2s unless the offense is really clicking. Usually you have to game plan specifically against those guys anyways…and usually you end up just trying to stay in front them and hope they don’t drain to many shots. CJ seems fast quick enough to do that at least.
Its been said a few times lately, but this team is going to be limited to some extent by how good Derrick can become defensively…if he can at least make it to above average it will go a really long way.
Team defender.
I can’t remember where I read it, but Utah was actually a better defensive team with him on the court last year than when he was off of it. So, what you can say is that even if he is not a good on-ball defender, he is smart enough to work within a system.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Never use JJ and "we're good" together
by Option27 on Jul 20, 2010 12:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
haha
You can omit JJ, but I still think we’re good
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Him being the third small forward is what makes it tolerable
I still think it’s too early to give up on him.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Sam:
Watson, 26, from the U. of Tennessee, will earn about $6.5 million for two years with a third season not guaranteed
Just like the Brewer deal. I’m very impressed. KUTGW, Gar.
http://blogs.bulls.com/2010/07/bulls-find-a-point-guard-in-warriors-c-j-watson/
Deng/Boozer/Noah: All your rebound are belong to us.
He also said the Bulls were still going for
a SG and a Center
Flexibility. JR is really putting on the full-court press for him not to threaten the luxury tax
in 2011-2012 when Rose’s new contract hits the books.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions
The way this is phrased
Do you not think these short contracts are good? Are you upset they aren’t overpaying guys and giving them more years than necessary?
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
1. Don’t get any of the Big 3 Pussies
2. Don’t get JJ Redick
3. Instead, great bargains on other players and fill out the roster in a way we couldn’t if we got one of the big 3
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 19, 2010 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
So for their backup 2
are the bulls gonna get bogans? Shoots 3s, defends 2-3, solid player and vet.
rose/watson
brewer/bogans/
deng/korver/james johnson
boozer/taj
Noah/asik
11 players, with 4 spots left….Almond, SS, Kurt Thomas, byars? Maybe lucas instead of byars…
Almond-great cheap scoring option can be a spark off the bench
SS-nice big man in case of injuries
kurt thomas-Veteran big man to fill in a few min, good defender
byars-tall sg with great build, can shoot the 3, helps defensively if in foul trouble
lucas-good scoring pg, can handle the ball and shoot 3s….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
It's tough to say, as we don't know what Thibs thinks of these guys.
Watson and Korver may fit into his scheme as 2 guards. JJ can play some defense, maybe Thibs wants him backing up the 3 as a Tony-Allen type guy. Is Watson really a point guard, or is he just a small 2?
Doubt it...
The Bulls are now 10 deep…Korver and Watson can back up the two and three respectfully…
Thomas, Miller, Salmons, James, Pargo, Gray, MLE, and (there is no LLE thanks to the Pargo signing) will not be here with a Max Free Agent...don't get too attached.
This is from K.C. Johnson
Less than we expected
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 19, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure why the Warriors didn;t win 50-60 games last year.Every trade we have made
ARandolph, AMorrow, CJ Watson, R Turiaf, and K Azibuke, were all decent players. We won 27 games last year. Yet every team that they were traded to thinks they all got great players and are gonna win waay more games because of these guys. Guys, we traded our back ups from a bad basketball team. You received decent players but hardly anyhting that will be putting your team over the top or lead you to the promised land. Its funny how one teams garbage is anopther treasure. But guys remember these players played in our System. Smalls score a lot. If your team runs any kind of half court sets or plays defense, Then good luck!
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
well Azibuke didn't play last season
neither did Randolph. You guys for some reason decided to start Maggette as your power forward and have been foregoing defense and rebound for the last 7 years. Maybe it isn’t the players, but the organization and the coaching staff which is the problem?
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 20, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, our team will be better this year with our new line up then these players we traded.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
who cares?
have fun in 10th place
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 20, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
By better you mean worse, right
have fun watching Monta Ellis score 25 points a night with 50 shots or so
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 20, 2010 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
your team can barely get 5 people on the floor every game
shut the hell up
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I'm not a Trail Blazers fan!
Booooo
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Oh, wait, was this just a missed reply?
Oh well, w/e
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
This guy will be backing up our starters and they can do that well...we're happy with it.
by Playboy_BullV on Jul 20, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
so are we, we weren't goin got resign him.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly my point. Thank you!
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 20, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Those more than decent players are named Rose, Boozer and Noah
We aren’t relying on Watson to be anything more than a nice scoring option off the bench.
Dude we just signing backups
Expectations arnt going to be as high as if he was at Golden State…We signed him for a cheap/short deal which is a good contract for a Backup Guard…We arnt expecting Watson to score 20-40 a night…But any production from him wil be great!
When D Rose goes down with a tweaked hammy or twisted knee and CJ is your starting point guard you will remember our conversation.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
by StinkyFingers on Jul 20, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
What's your point?
The Lakers have Sasha Vujacic backing up Kobe, maybe they should just concede the title now.
by dakoose on Jul 20, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Very idiotic point
but your wrong about remembering this conversation ..as i wont …If Rose gets injured…I wont mind CJ as the back up …
When Stephon Curry goes down with a tweaked hammy and Monta freakin' Ellis is your point guard
you will remember that it is sometimes nice to have a backup point guard.
[Actually, I hope that doesn’t happen. I like Curry.]
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
Brewer hasn't really had a chance to showcase himself since
08-09, so I think he will surprise people, too.
I hope Watson’s 3 continues to improve.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I hope Rose and Brewer both can become a 30% 3pt shooters.
Rose 2010!!!!!
by illwill on Jul 20, 2010 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually have higher expectations for Rose's 3pt shot
If he is confident in it, then I bet he pushes 35%. But I don’t know if Brewer is even trying to expand that part of his game. Maybe.
If Deng makes a three a game at 35% along with Rose, and Korver continues his tear… we’re in OK shape. We need Watson to be a 3pt option off the bench, too.
What I am excited about is the defensive potential of our backups lineup of:
Watson
Brewer (although he is our starter at SG, too)
JJohnson
Gibson
Asik
As a reserve lineup, that team would hold a team defensively and lean on Watson, Brewer, and Gibson for scoring. Not bad when you are resting Deng, Noah, Boozer, and Rose.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions
AND DENG!!!!
dammit
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Watson will be backing up Rose
Backups are faaaaaar more significant to a contender, rather than a 27 win team.
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 20, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
I must have missed where the Bulls are starting
Randolph, Morrow, Watson, Turiaf and Azubuike. Oh wait, that’s right. The only one of those guys we have is Watson and he is our back-up PG. Your complaint is better served on a Knicks board. Why don’t you go there.
you didn't win 50-60 games cause nellie is senile and the dubs play no d what so ever.
how the hell do you expect to win that way? ex warriors tend to do better after moving on from the warriros… jamal crawford for example
Well
Nellie has won 50-60 games as a coach in the past employing his no D lineup.
The Warriors just haven’t made good moves since letting Black Santa go (which was the right decision for the money he got, but still they haven’t really come close to replacing him).
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
The difference between the Bulls and the Warriors is pretty simple
The Warriors had a lot of decent players last year. The problem for you guys is that you would play ridiculously small guys, playing guys out of position, expecting them to perform well. You had no size and got dominated inside. The Bulls, on the other hand, have one of the strongest frontcourts in the league. You guys probably would’ve been a pretty good team last year with Boozer, Noah, and Taj in the frontcourt. But you didn’t.
Pat Riley is the devil.
if a team sucks, its because its starters suck; if its good, its because its starters are good.
i dont mind looking among bad teams for valuable role players because the role players on good teams are often overvalued and get silly contracts. watson might not turn out to be good at his job, but your reasoning is poor. frankly, considering how many injuries you guys had, and how your lineups were such that it was almost impossible for you to win on a poor shooting night, 27 wins is pretty good, and i would bet there are some nice backup players on gsw who made those wins happen.
"If I was to answer that question honestly, I would have to lie to you."
- Isiah Thomas, when asked if any teams were interested in trading for Shandon Anderson
by TheMoon on Jul 20, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
This place gets mad at most things the Bulls do
If we get excited about a trade or signing, I would trust us.
We have no reason to overly get excited about a player just because he’s coming to Chicago.
Just so happens, this team has awkwardly done nothing but good lately when it comes to putting this team together.
I know. We don’t get it either. We’re not used to this. We’d be happier being miserable.
So if you wonder why we’re getting excited about this signing, I’d say it’s because we watch a lot more basketball than you.
by Option27 on Jul 20, 2010 1:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 9 recs
your team can barely get 5 people on the floor every game
shut the hell up
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 20, 2010 2:27 AM CDT up reply actions
You obviously have no idea what the hell you're talking about
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the Bulls are more excited to have
Thibadeau and Boozer
Watson, Brewer, Korver and Asik right now are just nice rotational players to fill in some needs.
2010-2011: I put the Scottie-Barkley Rockets feud curse on the Wade-James-Bosh trio.....
Monta Ellis sucks and Anthony Randolph never played.
Your team is rebuilding around, ahem, Stephen Curry, Brendan Wright and Andres Biedrins.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh yeah
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
take out Wright then.
I only put him in the list because he was the last young guy left.
Golden State will tread water between 35-45 wins over the next few years. Yay?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Why didn't the Warriors win 50-60 games last year?
Two Words: Don Nelson
by kozzer on Jul 20, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ya and Al Harrington work out well in New York and Baron Davis has done great in Clipperland.
I can;t wait ot run your team off the floor again this year. It was fun last year.
Sactown Royalty is full of Queens!
CJ Watson isn't a difference maker on this team
The fact that you are trolling because we got your backup PG is pathetic.
by JSB on Jul 20, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Kinda just feel bad for the state of Warriors basketball
and their fans.
Did you guys hear about the new Lebron James Iphone?
You have to keep it on vibrate because it has no rings.
Seriously!
Why the hell is this guy in here? Is he really that torn up about this? Weird!
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
And I can't wait
For us to be in the playoffs and you not.
Aside from Reggie Williams and Steph Curry, your team is unfathomably unlikeable and bad at basketball.
Although getting David Lee probably helps.
"I want people to fear me"- Derrick Rose.
"That boy is BAD"- Stacey King.
I think you should be more worried about
your #1 draft pick being gone for the next 3-4 months then worrying bout us grabbing CJ Watson.
I'm really liking this kid as a scorer for the Bulls and a complement to Rose
- He led point guards in shooting from 16-23 feet with 45% of those shots being assisted.
- He was 3rd among point guards in finishing at the rim at 67.5%
- His 3pt shooting was down last year but he isn’t a chucker. 93% of his 3 pt shots were assisted last year, which was 4th among point guards. If he can shoot at his career averages or better he could be a guy who stretches the defense.
http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2010&gp=40&mins=25
He is a solid scoring combo guard with room for improvement. Hopefully Thibs reputation for coaching up players is well deserved.
by Basketball Smurf on Jul 20, 2010 1:03 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
His PER is nice, especially considering he'll be a backup
Defense looks shotty to say the least. I don’t know how much defensive pixie dust Thibs has to spread to Boozer, Watson, Korver, Rose, etc. This is, definitely, a work in progress.
by NittanyCub on Jul 20, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
Damn good time to be a Bulls fan right now!
I think we have made about as good of an offseason as we could, not taking the three stooges in consideration. Looks like GarPax or KPax have learned their lessons and we can be more happy with their decisions! A 50-55 win season is very possible, only if Boozer, Noah and Deng stay healthy and everyone gels about as well as they can and continue to work on defense under the guidance of Thibodeau. I am excited!
I don't think we need another shooter
If Watson just has an average year for him, he’s our extra shooter off the bench. Plus, out of the guys left in Free Agent land, the only notable shooter is Eddie House.
Give me another athlete to throw at Kobe and DWade, instead of an average shooter.
I think that’s why we’ve shown interest in Joey Graham. If we go the FA route look for guys like Graham, Rodney Carney, or Roger Mason, with TMac and Josh Howard as sleepers.
Still wouldn't mind seeing
Rudy Fernandez in a Bulls Uniform.
Rose – Watson
Brewer – Fernandez
Deng – Korver – Fernandez
in the case of an injury to any of these guys, Fernandez gets around 30 mins/gm
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Doubt Watson comes here
If he thinks he’s losing minutes to Fernandez. This was probably attractive to him because he would be the first guy off the bench at the 1 and 2.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
WOW! I have been suggesting this move ever since!
I am so ecstatic right now because I have always been suggesting Watson to be the back up PG for the Bulls. He is a good back up for rose. He can score and defend. He averaged 10.3 points, 2.8 apg, and 2.6 rpg as a back up point guard. He is a solid back up. THIS MOVE I LIKE SO MUCH!
I'm loving this move more and more by the minute
Given the way things played out with the big three (we probably never had much of a chance), I honestly couldn’t be happier. No crazy contracts, a bunch of good, likeable players. I’m jacked for next year. This is SOOOO much better than overpaying for Joe Johnson. Will the season start already?!!!
Superteams suck.
We have a shit-ton of flexibility with the lineup
Go small and FAST with Rose and Watson
3pt shooting with Watson and Korver
Go big with Brewer (has handles, OK court vision) and Korver
Defense with Watson and Brewer
Holy balls, I would have only been happier with Rudy Fernandez, and he can’t defend nearly as well as Watson.
Carlos has provided us with a great winter drinking game. Evertime Booze puts up a shot, you put one down.
by Another Afflicted Chicago Fan on Jul 20, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions
From what I've read so far...
-CJ is clutch
-OK on D, gets lotsa steals
-Good at scoring and ball handling
-Bad at fastbreaks
-Can shoot the 3
-Not much of a passing PG
-Plays hard!
Sounds pretty good to me
Bad at fastbreaks?
On the night he scored 40 pts, reviewing the youtube highlights, it seemed as if fast breaks was a strong, very strong part of his game?
"Maybe Paxson influenced has been a bit silenced :-)"
That's kind of what I saw too?
It seemed like if there was one thing the kid can do, it’s run the court.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Man, CJ Watson is loving this trade
On his Twitter page he’s re-tweeted every well wisher for the past 6 hours.
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 3:24 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
He's like "Holy shit I got out of Golden State"
“Thank god”
Go Rockets/Nets[CDR]/Bucks[Jennings]!
by Prevenge on Jul 20, 2010 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I saw that too.
Between Brewer and CJ Watson we’ve got two guards that our ULTRA pumped to be playing with the Bulls.
by JockstrapNoah on Jul 20, 2010 3:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
THE SACRED LARRY HUGHES NUMBER?
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
GarPax for GM of the Year
They’re surprising me… a lot!
List of hated players: 1. LeBron; 2. Wade; 3. Bosh; 4. Pargo; 5. Pargo... 100. Pargo
deng for melo...deng for melo..deng for melo...ill keep the dream alive!
someone teach me how to get Sam Smith's job when he retires
by sin on Jul 20, 2010 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
heh, instead of an executive of the year trophy
They’ll give each guy a necklace with half of a heart on it, like this:
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 20, 2010 4:46 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
WOW! He's been retweeting all night long. Warriors fans love him so much!
He’s gonna be appreciated here also! Go CJ!
Great move !!!
Watson is definitely a great for backing up Rose.
In my opinion, Shaq or T-Mac would be great move. Both of them not.
imo .... Paxson footprint isn't on any on these signings ...other than routine sign-off approvals
"Maybe Paxson influenced has been a bit silenced :-)"
by exult463 on Jul 20, 2010 7:16 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why, again, is Chicago giving up all these 2nd round picks...
if:
A) they aren’t using it to backload the contracts using max raises and have as much cap space as possible this year
and
B) the guys are unrestricted free agents
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
never mind, watson was unrestricted
I really, really like this signing. Better than Dooling, Bouldin, Lin and especially John Lucas III.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dude has a massive Adj plus-minus on basketballvalue.com
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep and for all the people saying his defense sucks, he's had great on-off stats on defense for 3 years in a row.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can the Bulls please get Xavier Henry?
James Johnson (on his expiring deal, as of now) and a future first should do it, no? Please?
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Where would X be getting his minutes?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
At the 2
CJ backup 1, X backup 2, Korver backup 3, Taj backup 4, Asik backup 5…ten deep of awesomeness
by DRose01 on Jul 20, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think the Bulls signed CJ for 3 mil a year to play 12 minutes a gam behind Derrick.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
So he'll get some at 2 and 3
If there are any injuries he’s excellent and he could be a future starter. Plus if Brewer sucks I’d rather have X starting than CJ
I would allocate
Rose – 36; Watson – 12
Brewer – 30; Watson – 8; Korver/Henry – 10
Deng – 34; Korver – 14; Henry – left over
Boozer – 34; Gibson 14
Noah – 32; Asik – 16; ???? – whatever
That would be my “ideal” each game, but of course there are different situations, injuries, etc.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You think pretty highly of Omer and still don't like Taj much huh?
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Boozer or Gibson playing center.
It’s adjustable. Those two spots can be whatever.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares?
As of now, he has much more potential than James Johnson and can probably play SF just as well. If he “earns” the minutes over the next two years, they can let go of Watson and increase his minutes the next year behind Brewer. If he earns the minutes there, he’ll be replacing Brewer, at about 23 years old.
Look at it as a much better long-term investment than Johnson. Plus, if Korver gets hurt, he should be ready-made to step into the same role.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's a good point. I doubt Heisley is going to just give him away for Jimmy Johns, but it's worth a shot.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said in the other thread.
As of now, Johnson’s next year’s salary isn’t guaranteed. They decline his option, pay him $1.7 million this year. That’s about $8 – $10 million less than what they probably will pay Henry as soon as he signs.
Then, they can trade our future first in the mid-20’s to a draft-and-stash team for $3 million. They come out ahead greater than $10 million. If he’s quibbling over a few hundred grand, put in that way, he might take it.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That'd certainly be pretty nice.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do really thing that would do it?
I haven’t heard anything about XH since the story came out about how Memphis lowballed their rookie contract offer. Has anything come along to suggest Memphis has him on the block?
Well I think the thinking goes that he probably wants out of Memphis now.
The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.
by fundamentallysound on Jul 20, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't get me wrong
I would love to get him, espcially if that’st he price, but I just don’t see Walalce going for it
read
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As FS said, he probably wants out...
….and that he hasn’t yet signed probably means something.
In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).
Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.
by tyger1147 on Jul 20, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It says he got lowballed
I wouldn’t be in a hurry either, doesn’t mean he wants out. And even if he does, the day they show up with a respectable contract offer, he’s going to sign it and forget it ever happened.
by Grinder in Training on Jul 20, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Love the signing
This is probably the 2nd most exciting signing for me this year (Booze #1.) Watson is a great combo guard at the right price. Very excited for next season.
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