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[From the FanShots. While I did watch some summer league action, couldn't say I could make an honest assessment. Jimmy Johns didn't look much better, and I hope Thibs means '3rd PG' not '3rd Guard' when referring to John Lucas III -ed.]

Two players in particular were discussed more than others from the SL roster. Big man Samardo Samuels and guard John Lucas III were talked about, and Thibodeau called Lucas "an ideal 3rd guard in the NBA". Sounds like the guy will be making our roster the way he talked about him and brought him up without being asked.

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Agreed, this would be a good set, maybe Byars.

JJ is going to make the roster regardless though. I would be stunned if he didn’t.

"I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart."

by windycitywarrior on Jul 19, 2010 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Almond and Byars get the scissors...

Lucas III, Samuels, and Bouldin make the squad. Those 3 played the most consistent and offer the most upside (in Bouldin and Samuels cases).
Thibs had Lucas at Houston and liked him there, but the team had Rafer Alston and David Wesley in front of him, and he got caught up in the numbers crunch. He shoots way better now, he’s still as quick, and plays good D.
Samuels is a guy who can be a wrecking ball on offense, he just needs to refine his game. He already has solid footwork and a nice touch, if he can get his body right, work on a consistent 15 footer, and commit himself to D, he’ll be a beast. Like that he’ll be able to work with Booz, they’re very similar players.
I can see Bouldin being a bigger Kirk Hinrich in a couple of years, only bigger and with a better stroke. He’s an ideal guard coming off the bench, becuz he can play PG, and has the size to truly defend SG’s. Right now his D is below average, his lateral quickness is pretty bad, but he works hard on that end. A person can get quickerand become much better on D, they just have to want to, look at JJ Redick

by Ceasaleo on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Samuels does not have close to the athleticism of Boozer.

Not completely different games, and I see the comparison, but Boozer does a million more things than Samuels can even hope to accomplish.

I also think the Bouldin Hinrich comparison is pretty weak and probably just based on race and position. As you admitted, Bouldin is a better shooter and much worse defender. There are better comparisons out there than doing that.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed...

Boozer is much more skilled than Samuels. He’s also a lot stronger physically. The body types are similar, and both have good footwork. But Boozer is a better athlete and much more skilled.

And the Bouldin/Hinrich comparison is pretty week. Hinrich is/was much quicker player than Bouldin, and also a much stronger ballhandler and MUCH better defender. I’d also argue that Hinrich is as good a shooter as Bouldin if not better. Hinrich was a 43% 3pt shooter in college, compared with Bouldin’s 37%.

Basically, as you noted, the only similarities I see are that both are white, both can pass pretty well, and neither is really a true PG or a true SG. Other than that, their skill sets aren’t comparable (basically, Hinrich is better across the board).

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed on bouldin

aside from race their shooting style looks eerily similar, but thats pretty much it. I wasnt really impressed by bouldin, i mean yea he had good court vision and passing instincts and could shoot a little, but he primarily looked like a sg, he didnt have the handles to go with his passing ability, and as a two guard he is nowhere near athletic enough to guard other 2 guards in the nba. If he came into the nba he would just be a shooter, and his shooting ability isnt high enough to merit him some kind of shooting specialist role…he probably was a great college player, but hes nowhere near the level of hinrich….

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jul 19, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me clear things up

I didn’t mean that Samuels and Boozer are similar right now, they aren’t. I was speaking more about the build and the potential for Samuels to be that type of PF, in a Boozer mold, I guess is a better way of putting it.

And as far as Bouldin, once again it was a comparison of what he could become, not what he is. Of course, Hinrich is the better player. He was drafted in the top 10, Bouldin went undrafted. But given some seasoning and development, he could very well become a Hinrich type of player. A combo guard who can either play off DRose as a spot up shooter or handle the ball and let DRose play SG. And he has the body to not be overmatched at SG on D, like Kirk was.

So it was more than his skin color that led me to the comparison. In all honesty, I can’t really think of a black guy that he would compare to.

by Ceasaleo on Jul 19, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure when it officially starts

but from what I remember, it started in the beginning of October, or maybe it was mid-October. Either way, it starts and ends in October.

"Did Michael Jordan join the Pistons when he couldn't beat them? No. He dug down deep and went out and kicked their fucking ass."

by Dash2112 on Jul 19, 2010 3:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kevin Arnovitz of ESPN wrote on his Daily Dime column

that John Wall is Derrick Rose with defense and CHARISMA. Man, Derrick has no CHARISMA? WTF?

chicago jazz, now playin

by Juan dela Cruz on Jul 19, 2010 4:10 AM CDT reply actions  

We should be expecting a lot of that this year

That’s the shitty thing about sports (or at least the way they’re covered nationally), people are so quick to crown the next up and coming player. It’s always about what’s next. Derrick is gonna have to completely dominate this year to get any love.

Superteams suck.

by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 19, 2010 5:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's kinda ridiculous

derrick made the all star team last year. we’ll see if wall is makin it by his second year. there’s still a lot of competition.

"They should. They better. I'm Vinny Del Negro!"

by Jaina on Jul 19, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's got Marisa Miller! Beat that Wall!

"I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart."

by windycitywarrior on Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see

if Wall can find an outside shot like Rose. He’s going to have a tough time scoring or creating without it; teams will take the Rondo approach in defending him.

Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.

by propheteer on Jul 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

People exclaim disapointment because

its such a weak criticism. His game has charisma and he’s a likable guy. They have different personalities, big deal. At this point we really have no idea what that means in terms of basketball leadership.

Rose has lead his mediocre team to the playoffs twice, that’s all we have to go on at this point.

by JockstrapNoah on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He didn't even say anything about how it applied to basketball leadership, he just pointed out that Rose lacks charisma

It wasn’t even in the context of a criticism but more neutral like a comparison. That’s what I don’t get about people getting worked up over it. It was a neutral and accurate observation.

Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com

by snley on Jul 19, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

lovers gonna love

regardless

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am gonna be interested to see John Wall in the NBA half-court game

In college, Derrick was a much better player than wall in the half-court. I have yet to see Wall demonstrate that he can have a highly efficient half-court game.

by JSB on Jul 19, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

D.Rose is....

humble and STRUGGLES with interviews. Therefore he’s not relaxed/comfortable looking (or sounding) when with reporters. Media never gives love to the laidback guys. Walls is just their new C.Paul, while Rose is about to look very Steve Nash-esque while trying to beat out Kevin Durant for MVP.

by Complex80 on Jul 19, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

What "love" was not given here? Arnovitz simply pointed out 2 of Rose's most obvious shortcomings

Only one of those applies to the basketball court, and, without drastic improvement, could leave Rose short of achieving the “best PG after Paul and Williams” status.

Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com

by snley on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's gotten a lot better at interviews.

And he never says anything remotely sour or off putting, so really he’s a great interviewer, always candid and although most interviews devolve into basketball cliches, the substance of his interviews seem sincere.

by JockstrapNoah on Jul 19, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hate the charisma part

rose seems to do a great job feeding off the energy of the building…i remember in the playoffs against the celtics the boston crowd was going crazy cuz they went on a mini run, and rose eventually dunked the ball and held his finger to his lips telling the crowd “shhhh”…i remember him dunking the ball against the cavs at home and just yelling…i think rose has charisma, just cuz hes not flamboyant on camera doesnt mean he isnt a charismatic character. Its not like Tim Duncan is a very charismatic character, and he is considered the best pf perhaps ever. John stockton certainly wasnt charismatic….

As for defense, sure maybe john wall is better at defense…but then rose has a much better shot..by the time wall gets a shot, rose will have defense…so the differences really are moot.

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jul 19, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha

you chicago fans are crazy (i say as a chicago fan, of course)

derrick rose, will never, in any way, look very Steve Nash-esque.

I guess that’s more outside the box thinking than saying Hinrich is like Nash, basically cuz they’re both white and are “from” North America.

(from in quotes since he was actually born in South Africa)

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Except the media loves Derrick Rose, like a lot.

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Derrick has less charisma than a pile of molasses. People on this blog have been bitching for 2 years now about how dumb he looks/sounds on camera.

Someone else makes a note of it, RELEASE THE HOUNDS.

I thought everyone hated LeBron for all the stupid dances and respected Rose for his no-nonsense demeanor?

"Boozer's dumb ass jumped. So I dunked on his ass."-Joakim Noah

by Ozzie Montana on Jul 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why doesn't

Rose just hire someone else to do his interviews for him?

by El Toro de Goro on Jul 19, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

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From a JustAnotherFan Fanpost:

James Johnson: 8.0 ppg / 3.4 rpg / 2.4 apg / 1spg / 1.4bpg / 3.0 topg in 27.6 mpg … poor summer league by JJ. Aside from his numbers he still made too many rookie mistakes.

Samardo Samuels: 12.6 ppg / 7.4 rpg / 0.6 apg /  0.8 bpg / 2.2 topg in 24.6 mpg … FG 57% and poor D

Trent Plaisted: 7.4 ppg / 9.0 rpg / 0.8 apg / 0.4 spg / 0.4bpg / 2.8 topg in 24.6 mpg … he also played 4 games for PHI with similar numbers except for rebounds (he averaged 3.0 for philly)

Derrick Byars 6.0 ppg / 3.4 rpg / 1.4 apg / 1.2 spg / 1.4  topg in 18.8 mpg … FG% 0.276 and 3FG% 0.375 … the only game Bulls won he only played 9 minutes.

Matt Bouldin 6.2 ppg / 2.2 rpg / 2.4 apg / 1.2 spg / 2.8  topg in 18.8 mpg … FG% 0.355 and 3FG% 0.333

Morris Almond 13.2 ppg / 1.8 rpg / 1.0 apg /  2.0  topg in 18.4 mpg … FG% 0.488 and 3FG% 0.455

John Lucas III 18.2 ppg / 1.0 rpg / 2.7 apg /  0.7  topg in 27.3 mpg … FG% 0.543 and 3FG% 0.714 … probably made the team as third PG

Chris Richard 4.7 ppg / 4.7 rpg / 1.0 apg /  1.7  topg in 27.3 mpg … FG% 0.833  … he actually averaged only 2 shots per game

 

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 19, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

i've never seen lucas play

but he’s 5’11" and been cut by like 5 teams and is 27. Can Bouldin maybe have a higher ceiling? at least he’s got decent size.

by Hatchetm on Jul 19, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

as much as it pains me to say it

lucas was the only player on that roster that carried the team for stretches and looked to take over. other guys, bouldin, samuels and almond were solid, but i think you need to really impress to have a chance at making the team, even one with many open roster spots like the bulls.

by grillo on Jul 19, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've been defending JJ since last year, when he hit the game winner against Uath in the preseason...

… but I’m starting to lose my faith in him. I only saw a few minutes of some games, but I hated what I saw. He played like a guy from the D-League. I was expecting to see some improvement, but I didn’t. He seems lighter, though.

List of hated players: 1. LeBron; 2. Wade; 3. Bosh; 4. Pargo; 5. Pargo... 100. Pargo

by bull83 on Jul 19, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

JJ fan myself (or was), and I'm not feeling great about it either.

I thought with the weight loss, he was probably turning a corner. It’s obvious now, that it wasn’t his being out of shape that was holding him back. Maybe he’s just getting used to the weight, but I doubt it.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 19, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt it too

He made a lot of mistakes. He turns the ball over in stupid ways and makes a lot of stupid fouls. I think the problem is in his head, not on his weight

List of hated players: 1. LeBron; 2. Wade; 3. Bosh; 4. Pargo; 5. Pargo... 100. Pargo

by bull83 on Jul 19, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

James Johnson is 23 years old

He is what he is, and he’s not going to get significantly better. He was old for a rookie, and now he’s old for a 2nd-year player. If a guy plays like this at 20 you could see him getting better, but not if he plays like this at 23. For comparison, Luol Deng has been around forever (and had his best season 4 years ago!) and is only 25.

by msquared10 on Jul 19, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

he’s not too bad, and certainly seems to have some talent. his problem is that he’s not starter level good, and doesn’t seem to have an elite skill that will enable him to be an effective roleplayer.

he’d probably do better in europe where he can be more of the man and do a lot of little things on the court.

by grillo on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's great at making big plays

steals, blocks, bringing the ball up on the break, but whenever he has to make a decision he chooses to go into Micheal Jordan mode, which he obviously doesn’t have the skills for. I think he can be effective on the Bulls if he’s not in a decision making position.

In Summer league he tried to be the leader without having the basketball IQ to be the leader, he put himself in a position to look bad. I think he’ll look different when he’s at the bottom of the totem pole again.

by JockstrapNoah on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Which is why I was hoping his being out of shape was the problem. As that was really the only hope as a Bulls fan of him drastically improving.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's crazy

22 is old for a rookie? I think exposure to the league is more important than age in terms of improvement

Look up karl malone’s stats. he made his biggest improvement in his 3rd season, when he was 24. So, sure, JJ is not Malone. But the point I’m refuting is that a guy isn’t going to improve after age 23…that’s not true. Moreover, JJ has yet to play his second NBA season. He may very well suck, but he still definitely has the potential to be a useful player. His age is not determinative of his future yet.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 19, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Being 24 in Karl Malone's era is like being 21 today.

When every rookie was coming into the league at 22, then obviously 22 wasn’t bad. But right now if you’re a rookie at 22 and all the other rookies (that matter) are 19-20, you’d better a) be the best rookie b) have dominated your previous level, and JJ was nowhere close to either. In 2010, 22 is old for a rookie—go look at the last four lotteries (or even the first round) and you’ll see that.

Let’s do a little thought experiment: Say you’re the recruiting director for a big-time college program, a UNC or something. You have to choose one of two players: a 19-year old starter who looks like a good college player but was held back a year in school and therefore is one year older than everyone else, or a 17-year old starter who put up basically the same stats but skipped a grade and is a year younger than everyone else. You pick the younger one every time, and that’s obvious—the older guy isn’t as good as he looks, and the younger guy is probably better. Extenuating circumstances aside (Joakim Noah comes to mind).

And that’s assuming performance is equal. With JJ, we see that not only is he older than NBA players with comparable experience, but his performance has been worse. The notion that a 23-year old could be a project is slightly ridiculous—the guy’s a full year older than Kevin Durant!

by msquared10 on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I simply think it's untrue that a 23 year-old can't improve

You mentioned Noah…his jump was last year in his age 24 season. What extenuating circumstances were there? He improved substantially between his 2nd and 3rd season in the league. JJ may not improve, but his current age is not locking him into his current skill level.

by hitlesswonder on Jul 19, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

My mistake--never completed that sentence.

What I was going to say was that with a few notable exceptions, if a prospect is any good, they’ll be drafted long before ever reaching 22. Noah was a contender for the #1 pick in the draft after his first title at Florida and dominated in college, but stayed in school just because he wanted to (and cause he could afford it). He’s always performed pretty darn well, but last year he finally got consistent minutes—so I definitely wouldn’t call his performance last year a quantum leap or anything. (The year before last, he still only played around 20 mpg.) James Johnson definitely didn’t dominate in college and was bad last year. He has much more in common with Sam Young than he does with Noah.

by msquared10 on Jul 19, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

*Utah

p.s.I really thought he could be like PP one day. I guess I’m totally wrong

List of hated players: 1. LeBron; 2. Wade; 3. Bosh; 4. Pargo; 5. Pargo... 100. Pargo

by bull83 on Jul 19, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Johns is a bust. Ship him out.

The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.

by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

That's the m.o. Unless you're saying they should wait to lose him for nothing.

Keep him on the payroll. Have that extra $2 million tied up for no purpose, then let him walk.

I guess that’s more in line with the offices standard operating procedure. You got me there.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

No they keep him, try to teach him, and hope he does get better

The alternative is trying to trade him for a second round pick, and then paying some scrub who doesn’t even have potential a million to take his roster spot.

The Bulls have roster spots to fill, and James Johnson has 1 year of NBA experience. They are also not close to the salary cap yet. There is no logical or compelling reason to sell low on him.

So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT

by runningman on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My point is

We have to have someone fill the roster spot, he’s young, not making money much money, he’s somewhat athletic.
He already knows the team, he probably helps as much as anything we would trade him for, so you might as well keep him around. How is trading him for basically nothing, and signing a scrum a better move? This isn’t a Tyrus or BG thing, where the guy actually had some value.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Understandable.

But they aren’t done getting free agents. It would suck to come up $2 million short because of Johnson. Next year’s second and the cap space right now is more valuable than he is right now.

Plus, they’ll need to pick up his 3rd year option before the start of this season. I don’t see why they wouldn’t because that would be giving up on him for absolutely nothing. So that turns a $1.7 million contract into a $3.7 million contract.

No need to have that around.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who are we coming up short on?

Considering the guys available, we have more cap space than we need if anything.

by Grinder in Training on Jul 19, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only reason to keep Johnson is if you think he can develop with time...

If you think he can become a starting SF and replace Deng, then he’s worth keeping stashed on the bench. Then, you eventually trade Deng. The only question is whether you think he still has upside worth holding onto him.

If you don’t think he’s going to develop (and it’s not looking good for him at the moment) then I agree – trade him for cap space. Not that there’s a lot out there, but an extra $1.7 million could be used on a player who’d actually play, rather than a roster filler.

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i disagree

he doesnt have to become starter quality to become worthwhile. he only has to play to the level of a $2 million player. its not like hes the one obstacle to acquiring a bigtime sg, and if he was, obviously he would be traded. but the fact is, hes worth more to us if he can even marginally improve, and if he doesnt, o well we got 1/2 in the draft. he either takes the tyrus path or the joakim path (not comparing skills at all here)- just saying that he will either never learn the game of basketball, or he will finally play within himself and contribute.

by jubaby on Jul 19, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I also wonder if part of trying to have him be the main option...

…wasn’t for his development, as he’ll never be that on the Bulls, but more to try to showcase him for other teams. Hoping he’d score 20 pts on 45% + shooting. Get some FTA, highlight dunks, etc. Convince a team to take him for nothing.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

whenever

Some will get signed to a contract. Some will get signed by another team. Some will be invited to pre-season training camp, only to be cut. Others will make the team at the end of pre-season, only to be cut 12 hours later.

So basically, Game 1 of 82.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I noticed that John Lucas did not play in the last Summer league game

and the announcers said that was the plan before the game even started. They never explained why (or maybe i was just asleep by that time), but I assumed it was because his training camp invitation was locked up and he had nothing more to prove at this time.

So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT

by runningman on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting John Lucas III footnote

Link in new window.

He was drafted Number 1 overall by the Rockets 6 years before he was born. His legend grows!!

I also hear that he’s “the third” not because his father and grandfather were named John Lucas, but because he was a part of triplets until he ate his brothers so he could take their power.

So…gotta say it: this sort of vindicates the Ben Gordon thing.
-by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 PM PDT

by runningman on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too bad

He didn’t gain their height.

by El Toro de Goro on Jul 19, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hardly anyone plays all of the Summer League game.

Not that it doesn’t happen. Even someone who has “nothing to prove” still needs to get better. He’s not locked up, and I’d guess it’s almost strictly due to promising Bouldin and McClinton time.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

my picks

Samardo Samuels-Nice to have another big man in case one of our goes down, of if we need to do some fouling…hes got a nice skillset, and he would be cheap..

Derrick Byars-Has nba size and build, can shoot the 3, probably the best perimeter defender in summer league, he would be a nice reserve.

Morris Almond-Seemed to get the least ammount of playtime, and yet scored the most points….he would be the spark off the bench, he would be like pargo….except not…

John Lucas-He was tearing up summer league, but i doubt it translates into the nba, 27 years old and 5’11 arent great news on the physical end of the floor…..at the very least he can shoot t and run the point…he would be an okay backup pg…just hope rose never goes down…

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jul 19, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I like that except I'd have Bouldin instead of Lucas.

You already have one scorer in Almond. Lucas would be the duplicate of Pargo, except he is. Take Bouldin, someone you don’t need to light it up, but just run the offense.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

OTOH, I'd much rather LOVE to have Jeremy Lin than Bouldin.

Lin is like Bouldin. Only more athletic, more confident looking. Quicker, better handles.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Lin a lot, but he can't shoot. We really need someone who can.

The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.

by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't want

Byars, he has proved he isn’t ready for the NBA, give me D-League legend, Morris Almond(candidate for 2013 d-league HOF)

by QUINTEN DALEY on Jul 19, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

I want someone who can handle the ball more than someone who can shoot.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should add...

…in the reference above, the Bulls were already getting 3 guys who could either shoot or score in Byars, Almond and Samuels. In that sense, I’d definitely rather have Lin over someone known as a shooter since Byars is already there.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather not have 4 summer league guys make the roster, if I'm honest.

The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.

by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

well,that's true

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK so we have 9 players under contract.

How many actual regular season spots can we have, 13? 14? We can only dress 12 right?

by RyPac13 on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

thats maximum

i think the minimum allowed is 14

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jul 19, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minimum is13

Well, isn't what LeBron did last night the living embodiment of The Secret, leaving millions on the table and turning himself into a hometown villain, all for the sake of winning?
Neil Paine, basketball-reference.com

by snley on Jul 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My Take...

I thought Lucas III was by far the best Bull in Summer League play. JJ looked pretty shitty. Then there was Bouldin, who looked completely shitty. Samuels looked okay, as did Almond and because they’re big/can shoot, I could see them riding the end of the bench. I didn’t see enough of Byars to judge.

by xFIB on Jul 19, 2010 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

The four players of interest were Johnson, Lucas, Samuels, and Almond...

Johnson will obviously make the team, and has loads of athleticism and some skills. But he just seems to have a really poor basketball I.Q. He’s in much better shape, but he needs a lot of work in learning what to do on the floor.

Lucas didn’t really look like a PG to me (aside from being 5’11"), but he could shoot. As a third PG though, he can bring it up and shoot it and not turn it over. For a minimum contract, maybe that’s acceptable.

Samuels runs and jumps like he has cement blocks for shoes, but he has good instincts and post moves, and he knows how to use his body. If he can get stronger and develop some touch, he could turn into a nice bench player. I’d be okay with signing him as a 13th/14th man just to see if he can develop.

Almond could certainly score against inferior competition. I only wonder if he can be effective against better players, and if he can defend.

Nobody else did anything of note for me. Bouldin made a few nice passes, but he dribbled himself into trouble too many times and he didn’t shoot all that well. And he’s really slow for the PG spot. Byars just didn’t do much to distinguish himself. If there was a spot for a wing, it would have gone to Almond in my opinion.

by SouthernCub on Jul 19, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I didn't watch too much of the summer league but I'd still rather have Byars over Almond every day.

Almond is the better pure scorer, but I think Byars has better role player potential because of his defense and his mentality. Almond pretty much wants to shoot every time he touches the ball.

The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.

by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a good point

and probably true. I just want the Bulls to sign Almond though. He’ll cost the Bulls nothing, but he’s someone who could shine in limited time, put up a few eye-popping games, and maybe we can flip him for something better down the line. It’s like in fantasy baseball, deciding whether to pick up Delmon Young or David DeJesus. DeJesus is the better player, but there’s always a DeJesus type available for pickup. With Delmon, and there’s a chance he becomes really valuable. (Although with the way the Bulls fill out their roster, maybe that point is moot haha.)

Besides, with the Bulls roster, I want a high octane scorer on our bench. If Rose gets hurt this year, or if Rose/Boozer are both on the bench, there’s not much there offensively. And I trust Thibs to turn Almond into an okay defender in time.

by YaoPau on Jul 19, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I concur.

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want Jeremy Lin over John Lucas

and Samuels.

Also, Drose been working hard too:

KDthunderup
Good workout wit @russwest44 and D.Rose..pause…shower then I don’t kno what ima do next
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

by cowraiser on Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM CDT reply actions  

in 6 years?!?!

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we should be more worried that KD and Russell Westbrook are going to steal Derrick away.

RW and DRose are pretty much best buds. They work out together all the time and KD and Rose seem pretty close.

The Bulls will win 50 games this year and (hopefully) the Central Division for a top 3 seed.

by fundamentallysound on Jul 19, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

::in awe::

In the past 10 years, just four team owners have not paid a luxury tax and are not on pace to pay one this year: Donald Sterling, Jerry Reinsdorf, Chris Cohen (Golden State), Bob Johnson (Charlotte).

Two owners’ teams averaged an operating income of over +$10 million per year while their teams have lost over 60% of their games: Donald Sterling and Jerry Reinsdorf.

by tyger1147 on Jul 19, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you pooped in the refrigerator?

I am not even mad, I am just amazed.

by JSB on Jul 20, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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